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embrel
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:29:00 -
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Out of game cannot be CCP's responsibility.
I guess however, that it says something if you spend your time hacking on what must obviously be the more challenged. Why not create a RL-sect or something. |

embrel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:29:00 -
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I do not have any issues with scamming in Eve. I do not have any issues with Ero1 doing bonus rounds in order to rip off the greedy.
I however, do think that it says something about a person if he derives fun out of debasing other persons.
Now you say it's the "victim" that debases himself. That may be true to a certain degree, however
- the people in the bonus room (not the victims) spend quite a lot of time there not to gain ISK (which wouldn't take that long), but to have fun watching someone debasing himself.
I understand Schadenfreude as well as any guy, but you usually have that when the mighty fall. Whoever enters the bonus round is with a very high probability not among the brightest on this planet.
The whole concept selects the weakest persons and then they are being made fun of.
Now Ero says that it's these people that then tend to go rampage spewing racist and other things...
well yes, they do. They obviously shouldn't, but if they were not challenged to begin with they would not get into the bonus round and would not have anything to spew (for the moment at least).
If I'd scam it would be my aim to scam like Bernie Maddoff (the rich and mighty). The bonus round is more looking at the village idiot after you told him that the village beauty secretly loves him.
But hey, guess everyone does what they can do best. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:40:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:I am a CEO of a CODEdot corporation who requires Code compliancy in the bonus rounds, which are being called all sorts terrible names right now, yet you have clear and irrefutable evidence linked by me of thousands of hateful, racist, and otherwise vile comments throw around.
The only misdirection is away from your witch hunt and toward the heart of the matter.
So, basically you do that for the good of the world and not once for a single second you had any fun doing it, did you. Cause you for sure do not feel fun when idiots reveal themselves as such.
No, I do not believe that. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:11:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote: comfortable in the knowledge that everyone involved is a consenting adult.
Yet since I made the decision about a year ago to play this role-playing game as a criminal character, and took up suicide ganking, scamming, miner extortion, wardecs, and corporate infiltration, I have been called racial, ethnic, religious, and homophobic slurs almost daily. I have been called names that would not be acceptable in any context, except perhaps a *** rally. My life and that of my family has been threatened on several occasions. And who are the people engaging in this appalling behavior? Not I, not Erotica 1, not any in-game scoundrel who enjoys blapping carebears. No, it is the carebears themselves, a number of whom have even posted damning personal attacks in this thread, as if they had any moral high ground to stand on.
You implicitly assume all adults to be capable of making decisions aka to be mature. Unfortunately, that's not the case and the bonus round has a selection bias. Who else than the immature will take part there?
It's like the leader of a religious sect. Mostly legal he exploits the immature. You can laugh about it or not. I rather don't.
And as there is the selection bias and as idiots are idiots you will hear idiotic things like threats/racism and so on.
What does it have to do with carebears? You're mixing two quite distinct things here. One is in-game and stays in-game. If you're threatened that should result in a ban.
The bonus round takes place out of game and the results are distributed globally available for everyone for eternity. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:25:00 -
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Clara Pond wrote: 1. Ero engineers a game with complex rules that is designed to be hard but not impossible to win 2. Person qualifies for a bonus round (higher stakes, harder version of game) for any of a number of reasons including 100th client 3. Ero plays the game with the client in some cases for six hours after he has all their assets, thus debunking any possibility it is a scam 4. Ero is completely unsurprised when a majority can't complete the deliberately complex game, and uses their losses to pay out the small number of winners as well as making a profit, the majority of which is donated to the New Order 5. Blogger throws a losing client under his publicity bus to wage a hilariously melodramatic and over-reached vendetta against gameplay he personally considers distasteful, alongside the many other gameplay elements he considers distasteful.
The issue is not the scam. As you do not seem to see what other issues there could possibly be... well, if you really have not the slightest idea what people could find despiceable (hint: it's not the scam), then I'm worried. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:26:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Can we have a 120 page threadnought about all the people who play the game the way I don't like i.e everyone who invades my designated personal constellation.
feel free to start one. Btw, the threadnaught is not about something that occurs in-game so it can hardly be called a thread about playstyle. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:35:00 -
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tiberiusric wrote: The reason he is scamming is to get assets in game. The idea of scamming is from the game.
its completely and utterly linked with the game. Just because they used a out of game comms program is completely irrelevant.
See, I very much doubt that. If the purpose was to scam, the whole thing would not take so long. After everything has been contracted you could just stop.
But on it goes... long after the idiot is without any assets. So what is the aim after the assets have been contracted? |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:55:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
I figured that one out (granted, that was 110 pages or so back, so can hardly blame you for not seeing it).
Its the perception of legitimacy. Ero's rep has always been that he does not appear to scam. If he ended things the second he got all the targets stuff, he would be committing a scam. By driving proceedings until the contestant "voluntarily" gives up, he can claim in full honesty that the contestant lost fairly, and was not scammed.
Sure, its subjective, but that strikes me as a significant motivation in this game where perceptions of what occurred often overules the truth of what occured.
Thank you! At least a reason other than pure sadism.
I'd plead to at least voluntarily limit these bonus rounds. Just scam him after max. half an hour.
Keep it focused on assets. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:12:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:There are real people going to sleep at night with empty bellies and no roof over their heads, but God forbid you white knight freaks of nature doing anything about that
So, you think that basically as long as somewhere somebody does have an empty belly all other perceived problems are irrelevant?
While there sure are huge differences in magnitude, your argument is plain silly. That there are bigger problems is no excuse not to solve the smaller ones that may actually even have a solution to them.
Otherwise you need to stop cancer research (1st world problem) as long as there is a war on this globe. Would be kinda silly, wouldn't it. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:24:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:http://themittani.com/features/alod-go-back-wow
Should we also ban the people behind this? Derailment detected  No just trying to find the line in the sand where we determine who and who should not be banned.
The potential of identifying the RL-personae of the "victim" for me. Publishing a soundcloud has the potential that somebody knows the victim IRL. Also, as I remember the ALOD article everything there was in chat, so purely in-game. Nothing happened out-of-game as far as I remember it.
To me there seems to be quite a different level of pressure you can put on a person in TS compared to chat.
Or just scam for the assets money and not to see how a poor idiot looses it. |
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:45:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:So I just went to the library.
A woman shows up, sits next to me, passes out and is snoring really loud. This is obviously inappropriate behavior, she obviously singled me out, she's obviously done this to other people before, and it's making me crazy.
Should I walk away, and tell one of the librarians, or is it acceptable to go into a ugly racist rant and threaten to gut her?
What does Rippard Teg and his minions think?
one of the worst analogies ever, I must say.
She doesn't pass out, but takes your book, shoes, panties and all. Then she's making you dance, sing and whine for two hours which you do as you hope to get a least your panties back.
Of course you're the idiot that let this happen in the first place, and for sure you're just proving your idiocy just one more time if you start a rant afterwards...
During all the time someone's beside the scene, watching it, and then says it reprehensible that the guy started to rant, he should have shown a bit of humor.
Is this acceptable?
I'm not trying to defend an idiot here.
Both parties in this story do have issues (huge ones in my view). And it's hard to believe that things like that can happen in a game that should be played by mature adults.
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:18:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Imaginary video game assets. If he can't understand that those things meant nothing, then how is that someone else's problem?
Again, where is the expectations we as a society should have for people above the age of majority?
Sure, however, we wouldn't expect them to enjoy setting up a bonus room either. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 09:59:00 -
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Danalee wrote: It doesn't worry you, an ATC popped a casket because someone asked him to sing songs... on the internet??? And you are still defending a racist bigot, I'm rightfully ashamed to be posting in the same thread as you.
If A is a bad bad person and B hurts A not because A is a bad bad person (as a reaction), but for fun, then everything is fine cause A was a bad bad person to begin with?
talking about bigotry and rightful shame...
all the participants are in the same cesspool in my view.
But no, E1 should not be banned for this. However, I think that CCP should introduce a policy that says that scamming is fine, but there are limits about humiliating people, bans at the discretion of CCP.
The Bonus Room is in my view not content the world needs or better yet, the world is minimally better off without that content.
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:14:00 -
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Ais Hellia wrote: So it couldn't have happened to a different kind of a person.
sure. who else than those that are challenged to begin with take part there? But that doesn't make it any better if it was obvious that it was an idiot from the start. |

embrel
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:30:00 -
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Ais Hellia wrote: No it doesn't But I've already written here that I'm for instance more intolerant to idiots than to douche bags And if the latter make fun of the first it's fine with me Let them be boiling in their own pot No decent people in danger here
Here we have the difference. I think that one cannot know better and the other one should know better.
But I'm not actively seeking to spend my time with either group. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:04:00 -
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Danalee wrote:I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse;
Whatever happened to the good ole' "I hold my breath till you stop" ?? |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:22:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote: You lower him to cattle the moment you suggest he lost his own individual agency, the moment when you suggest he no longer controls his actions. If that is the case you wish to pursue, so be it. But I will not insult the dignity of the man in question by making such a suggestion.
So you think it was a mature adult there (anywhere in the room)?
Whether I lower someone or not, I don't think that there was anywhere what I'd call good PR for us human beings. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:26:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:A few weeks ago, I got doxed by players in this game. They sent a mail to my personal email, mentioned two of my family members by name, and passively threatened me to leave them alone with a smiley face at the end of it.
You think Ero did something wrong here? I submit to you that the most evil people in the game are the carebears who would like nothing more than to foist him on a stake. You need to learn to get some perspective, reconnect to ******* reality and stop being so goddamn entitled.
Yes, I consider it to be wrong what E1 did.
What the loon did to you was a different bigger wrong that should have RL-consequences. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:46:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:
Carebears have always been the slimiest of the mmo participants, destroying all fun in any mmo they chose to take part in.
HTFU? |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:59:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: Because my point was to demonstrate why ignoring what Sokhar did or brushing it off as 'justified' demonstrates that this is just an irrational Ero1 witch hunt.
To me these are two distinct cases of people no behaving as we would expect mature persons to.
There's no justification for racist or else rants, as well as there is no justification for continuing with the bonus room long after everyone involved should have noted that the person is on his way to snap.
This is not an irrational witch hunt. It's very clear that RL-threats, racism and so on are inacceptable, so I don't see anything to discuss regarding the final words of Sokhar.
It's however not clear where the line is or should be in E1's bonus room. And this is what the community can discuss. CCP will do whatever they feel is right anyway.
Also, the people that see this thread as a harassment of E1... yeah, guess Kimye/Justin/Paris etc. also feel harassed every now and then, but somehow this is also a consequence of their own decisions.
My view and then I'll try not to post in the thread anymore: This should not lead to a ban, but I would like CCP to discretely hand out warnings, that, should in the future emerge a similar discussion there will be consequences.
Scamming is fine, ganking is fine, I like Eve. But I don't see how you can consider it fun to set up such a room. |
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:11:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:embrel wrote:Scamming is fine, ganking is fine, I like Eve. But I don't see how you can consider it fun to set up such a room. Nice of you to show the true basis of your post right at the end.
well yeah, guess that's what it's all about if you think about it.
is it fun to agonize the village idiot?
I do not consider it to be and I do not consider people that are taking their high from agonizing the village idiot to be cool or nice or good or many positive attributes.
I don't have an issue if you scam him out of his 401k, but you do it discreetly and without the agonizing part.
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:08:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dude, let's go back to the start where Sokhar WILLINGLY GAVE ERO THOSE ASSETS TO BEGIN WITH.
Okay, now that we're at the beginning, let's try some rational thought shall we?
Go.
It's quite hard to go rational after an irrational start. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:36:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Why are you assuming that he is mentally immature? Just because he has a speech impediment? 
Not at all I'd assume. Rather because he contracted all his assets and entered the bonus room. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:11:00 -
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Danalee wrote: No such links exist. Ero NEVER asked ANYONE to do that stuff.
You are a lying little prick defending a racist bigot.
As it is you who was screaming for proof somewhere (at least I think so...)
where's the proof that E1 never did that stuff? (personally, I don't care as this is not the point)
I didn't see many people trying to defend Sokhar. That is your interpretation.
Also, as in Kindergarten, one wrong cannot be excused by another. e.g. You're not allowed to steal from a rapist. And to me it just doesn't look very right to do what is being done in the bonus room. But I'd refrain from a ban for now. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:28:00 -
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Edit: mobile phones and fat fingers... |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:29:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Well, since not acute pain was inflicted, and it was certainly not done against the "victims" will, you've pretty much invalidated everything but the most amusingly preposterous arguments calling for sanctions in this thread... and those arguments need no help from you to be ignored as complete rubbish. It is obviously apparent to any observer that Sohkar and his wife are suffering acute psychological pain as a result of the torture they are systematically and deliberately subjected to. Ranger 1 wrote:Reading text or singing a song upon REQUEST is not "acute pain" by anyone's standards, and if you can end the supposed "torture" at any time by simply leaving a TS channel it can hardly be considered "against his will". Read above. Ranger 1 wrote:Frankly the act of willfully submitting yourself to acute pain and humiliation of your own free will, when you are free to leave at any time, is called Masochism... not torture.  As demonstrated in the link in my sig, the circumstances whereby a person enters into a situation where torture is enacted on them, is immaterial to whether it is torture. And as also demonstrated in the link in my sig, torture does not predicate the victim being restricted from leaving the situation in which he is being tortured. Neither of these considerations are material to whether what is being done to them, constitutes torture.
I guess we know now that you consider this to be torture and repeating it time and again won't convince anyone who thinks differently.
So... What about you stop repeating yourself as otherwise I just might start to believe that you try to torture us. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:21:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:So this entire thread is about 'feelings'? Man...
Imagine... There are whole books, nay lives filled with em. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:51:00 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Xuixien wrote:Yes, I am sure that would hold up in court ("Your honor, the subject was clearly held in duress. The defendant had taken possession of his virtual spaceship."
Also, you should read the EULA. None of the items are owned by the players. So Sohkar had no assets to hold as ransom. You think paying 15 a month means you own your ISK? No, you are merely paying for access to the System and the toys CCP allows you to play with. Maybe Judge Judy will take the case. Is she still on TV? "Victim": "Yes, I gave my pixels to a complete stranger who promised to quadruple them. He then required me to sing stupid songs and engage in some homoerotic roleplay for my prize, to which I responded with a half hour tirade. Clearly, I was tortured." JJ: "I'm sure Amnesty International will get right on that. Next case!"
Makes me wonder: what would Judge Dredd do? |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:48:00 -
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Asia Leigh wrote: Sure... Do I really need to start linking the locked threads in C&P in regards to this particular 'bonus room' round? It was known the minute the recording was released.
I remember a thread in C&P about a different bonus room a few months ago. It is not as if this is only discussed because of that CSM blog.
It's being discussed cause sufficient people feel it worthy to be.
And to call that all just "a witchhunt by a silly mob with pitchforks that was rabble-roused" is just as shortsighted as "oh, noes ban the pedophile-torturer-scum".
This "respect for differing opinions" can also be seen in political discussions in many a country where side A tries to disqualify all arguments from side B from the start, as side's A opinion must be idiotic anyway, just because its from that side.
I doubt that this is what leads to constructive solutions of things that a part of society/community think is a problem. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 11:13:00 -
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Myriad Blaze wrote:You could probably even find a few ignorants who never heard of him.
the lucky ones. |
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 12:04:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:God Hmm? rather missing the point here arnt we GÇ£Does CCP want goodness or the choice of goodness? Is a nerd who chooses to be bad perhaps in some way better than a carebear who has the good imposed upon him?GÇ¥ GÇòme, this ******** thread
huh, I guess CCP doesn't care about goodness, but about cashflows. (same as what initially was there in place of CCP) |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 12:55:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: Every single post that starts with this (and there are too many to count) is uninformed and assumes there is no line. There is, however. It's called a EULA.
blurred as it is. As I assume you well know, these have been written by lawyers who will have blurred it as much as possible in order to allow CCP to basically do whatever they consider useful at the moment.
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