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Jackson Dom
Artorius Fleet
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Posted - 2014.03.25 12:46:00 -
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Star Trek Enterprise is about 600 metres long. It's actually slightly larger than the standard battlecruisers in EVE Online. But I don't think there is a starship longer than one km in Star Trek. In EVE Online most battleships are bigger than that. Of course it would be another topic if the capital ships, especially when super capitals from EVE Online get involved.
However, the size isn't very important in space. No one can actually know how many damage they can take. This is because both the ships from Star Trek and EVE Online are shielded. But there is no data supports which shield is stronger. As we all known, ships in Star Trek are quite weak when they lost their shields. Caldari ships from EVE Online also have this kind of problems. Ships from other factions in EVE Online most relied on armour. With the Damage control module any ships from EVE Online can take a lot of more damage. Star Trek doesn't have any solutions for that.
As a matter of fact, the max number of high slots is eight. That means all ships from EVE Online can only fit less than eight turrets. Except cruise missile launchers, all turrets on your ship should be doubled the number you fitted, in order to fire at any direction. So in real combat, it is possible to fire more than eight turrets at the same time. Star Trek is not a game, so there is no limit how many weapons they can fit on to a ship, they can fit as more turrets as possible. In deed, just like the size of the ship, number of turrets does't really matter in space combat. What does matters is the actual damage out-put.
Also, ships in Star Trek can get into warp faster than EVE Online(especially for larger ships). Star Trek ships can even engage in warp! Star Trek ships can maneuver better than EVE Online. There are so many advantages for Star Trek.
It may seems like Star Trek ships are better than EVE Online. But when Star Trek fleet and EVE Online fleet really get in to a fight, The satuation should be:
Star fleet ships engage EVE Online ships.(from the view of a Star fleet ship)
* Shields up! Red alert!
1. Something wrong with the radar, we cannot lock any target(ECM Jamming)
2. Thanks god, target locked. Open fire!
Why can't we hit anything?(Tracking Disruption)
3. The targeting range has been reduced somehow(Sensor Dampening)
4. Taking heavy fire. Take us out of here.
Sir, we can't warp.(Warp Disruption)
5. Set full speed! Engine lost 60% of power!(Stasis Webifier)
6. Fire phasers, full power!
Not enough power. Cannot fire.(Energy Neutralizers)
Overall, please watch out the variety of EVE Online Ewars!!! |
Doireen Kaundur
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Posted - 2014.03.25 12:51:00 -
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Id rather see EVE online vs Star Wars.
Minimizing the cost of replacing implants.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.25 12:59:00 -
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Jackson Dom wrote:But I don't think there is a starship longer than one km in Star Trek. In EVE Online most battleships are bigger than that.
Romulan Narada from the 2009 movie is 11 km long.
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Jackson Dom
Artorius Fleet
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:05:00 -
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Thanks for reminding me.
Star Trek 2009 is a great movie |
Cavalira
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:30:00 -
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This is pretty autistic. Oh well :GD: |
Tonai Kion
Rock Breaker Industrial
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:03:00 -
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I think the fight would come down to mobility. If the fight took place anywhere where both sides can use stargates, The Eve Cyno Jump tactics would allow Eve forces to project large distances and be able to outmaneuver a starfleet fleet.
However without stargates Eve ships travelling at 3AU/s are moving at... wow. They move pretty close to warp 9. That's insane. Most Starfleet ships don't go warp 9 for the fun of it, in fact only the newest ships of the line (dominion +) were probably built with that in mind. Wow, I really didn't think EVE warp was that fast. So without stargates and going manually from system to system, Both sides would have an even fight.
As far as fleet strength goes, null sec alone could hold their own against Starfleet, needless to say what the Empires would be able to wield. Even if Starfleet does have the 30-50 thousand ships estimated, a single Amarr Titan is about 5 times bigger than a Borg cube, granted I doubt a titan could ever hit a ship as small as a federation ship seeing how they are very maneuverable and tiny.
The battle plan would probably be to use titans to destroy Star fleet orbital facilities and outposts, and serve as core of a fleet, and have much smaller ships capable of engaging the smaller Starfleet ships as escorts. Short of their torpedo weapons being super effective against Armor Tanking, I doubt Starfleet has the manpower to take down a hundred titan fleets.
Conclusion, on home turf Eve will destroy Starfleet. In the Alpha Quadrant, it's dependent on what the Federation of planets's weapons are capable of.
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:07:00 -
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Everyone knows it's not the size...it's the sense of humor! Bwaaa haaa haaaaa....oops.
(And, Batman can't whoop Superman. Sorry.)
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Jackson Dom
Artorius Fleet
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:08:00 -
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The federation weapons would be useless if Ewars are widely used.
I don't think star trek has the solution for that |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:12:00 -
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Considering the volatility of the average Star Trek warp core, a warp scram would make it explode. Not to mention what a bubble would do to the manoeuvrability.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:15:00 -
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Starfleet has a secret weapon. Wesley Crusher. |
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:19:00 -
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this is a new and exciting topic. |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:21:00 -
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shouldn't you be in school?
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:42:00 -
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Cavalira wrote:This is pretty autistic. Oh well :GD:
People like you, that just throw the word 'autistic' around like a derogatory, are disgusting.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Hal Morsh
The Witch's Hammer
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:45:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Considering the volatility of the average Star Trek warp core, a warp scram would make it explode. Not to mention what a bubble would do to the manoeuvrability.
I've heard that in eve they would also explode if you just simply shut the ship off.
I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:50:00 -
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Star treks fleet wouldn't even make it past the first newbro gate camp on the way to meet us.
There would be no fight.  |
unidenify
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:52:00 -
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Tonai Kion wrote:I think the fight would come down to mobility. If the fight took place anywhere where both sides can use stargates, The Eve Cyno Jump tactics would allow Eve forces to project large distances and be able to outmaneuver a starfleet fleet.
However without stargates Eve ships travelling at 3AU/s are moving at... wow. They move pretty close to warp 9. That's insane. Most Starfleet ships don't go warp 9 for the fun of it, in fact only the newest ships of the line (dominion +) were probably built with that in mind. Wow, I really didn't think EVE warp was that fast. So without stargates and going manually from system to system, Both sides would have an even fight.
As far as fleet strength goes, null sec alone could hold their own against Starfleet, needless to say what the Empires would be able to wield. Even if Starfleet does have the 30-50 thousand ships estimated, a single Amarr Titan is about 5 times bigger than a Borg cube, granted I doubt a titan could ever hit a ship as small as a federation ship seeing how they are very maneuverable and tiny.
The battle plan would probably be to use titans to destroy Star fleet orbital facilities and outposts, and serve as core of a fleet, and have much smaller ships capable of engaging the smaller Starfleet ships as escorts. Short of their torpedo weapons being super effective against Armor Tanking, I doubt Starfleet has the manpower to take down a hundred titan fleets.
Conclusion, on home turf Eve will destroy Starfleet. In the Alpha Quadrant, it's dependent on what the Federation of planets's weapons are capable of.
many people don't know that EVE online ship is quite fast when compare to Star Trek
Interceptor probably is so fast that none of Star Trek ship have capable to chase it
Cerebus with full Implant of Ascendancy have warp speed equal to Star Trek TNG 9.5 warp speed.
however question is that can EVE online ship constant run max speed? |
Hal Morsh
The Witch's Hammer
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:54:00 -
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unidenify wrote:Tonai Kion wrote:I think the fight would come down to mobility. If the fight took place anywhere where both sides can use stargates, The Eve Cyno Jump tactics would allow Eve forces to project large distances and be able to outmaneuver a starfleet fleet.
However without stargates Eve ships travelling at 3AU/s are moving at... wow. They move pretty close to warp 9. That's insane. Most Starfleet ships don't go warp 9 for the fun of it, in fact only the newest ships of the line (dominion +) were probably built with that in mind. Wow, I really didn't think EVE warp was that fast. So without stargates and going manually from system to system, Both sides would have an even fight.
As far as fleet strength goes, null sec alone could hold their own against Starfleet, needless to say what the Empires would be able to wield. Even if Starfleet does have the 30-50 thousand ships estimated, a single Amarr Titan is about 5 times bigger than a Borg cube, granted I doubt a titan could ever hit a ship as small as a federation ship seeing how they are very maneuverable and tiny.
The battle plan would probably be to use titans to destroy Star fleet orbital facilities and outposts, and serve as core of a fleet, and have much smaller ships capable of engaging the smaller Starfleet ships as escorts. Short of their torpedo weapons being super effective against Armor Tanking, I doubt Starfleet has the manpower to take down a hundred titan fleets.
Conclusion, on home turf Eve will destroy Starfleet. In the Alpha Quadrant, it's dependent on what the Federation of planets's weapons are capable of.
many people don't know that EVE online ship is quite fast when compare to Star Trek Interceptor probably is so fast that none of Star Trek ship have capable to chase it Cerebus with full Implant of Ascendancy have warp speed equal to Star Trek TNG 9.5 warp speed. however question is that can EVE online ship constant run max speed?
I'm going to assume they both use power to warp right? Any long distance warps take a ton of the capacitor, dunno how it works in star trek.
I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Jackson Dom
Artorius Fleet
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:00:00 -
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Warp Disruption and wabber can bring a lot of troubles to star fleet |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:02:00 -
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Belt Scout wrote:Star treks fleet wouldn't even make it past the first newbro gate camp on the way to meet us. There would be no fight.
You're assuming that Starfleet comes into this star cluster via low/null sec. What if they appeared in hi sec? There wouldn't be many player gate camps between them and Science and Trade Institute systems. |
Jackson Dom
Artorius Fleet
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:14:00 -
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The Concord will take care of them in high sec |
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Jasmine Assasin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:15:00 -
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As far as EWAR, I doubt our simple systems could really take them down. Our stuff is designed to fight amongst ourselves and we really have no idea if it would even work on a Starfleet ship. I'm guessing not. The computer systems they had were/are pretty damn advanced. We still operate on tFLOPS.
Standard "deflector" shields can protect them from lasers at a minimum so the Amarr are out from the start. Same with any of our weapons that rely on actual warheads and/or some kind of shot to penetrate and I am left to conclude that their shields would hold up just fine to that. They seem most susceptible to advanced forms of energy weapons and by comparison ours are rather mundane really. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic.
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:24:00 -
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Captain Jean-Luc Picard: Alright number one. Make it ..
Random Ensign: Cyno !!!
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: Cy what?
Random Ensign: Romulan Supers just dropped us!
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: what the... |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:29:00 -
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EVE has the superior inertia stabilizers. Bump the Enterprise with a frigate and everybody on board gets smeared over the bulkheads..
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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:43:00 -
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and if it came down to EVE-Online vs Star Trek Online it would defo be EVE cause EVE ships can fire further than 10km witch is the star trek online weapon range cap for EVERY SINGLE WEAPON AND ABILITY lol :-P |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:45:00 -
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I'll chime in as a Star Trek Fan. I'll also try to level the playing field while using equivalencies between the two universes. I'm not going to cover every aspect, but just the basics to help everyone envision how a battle may play out. I'm also sticking with Canon based information, and will limit this post to their defensive and offensive system, as we already discussed their mobility.
Star Terk ships are mainly shield fit, with the exception of Defiant Class, which can be argued is an armor tank due to it's Ablative Armor
Star Trek Ships have better shield system that, among many abilities, are split between six zones (forward, aft, starboard, port, dorsal & ventral). These zones absorb damage independently. As one zone becomes depleted, the shields can be modulated (rotated) and distributed evenly throughout system.
Let's not even begin to discuss the absurdly powerful and flexible use of them being able to reverse and adjust their ship's Shield Polarity .The shielding system furthermore extends throughout the hull structure in the form of a Structural Integrity Field
So long as a Star Trek vessel maintains its shield, it is immensely powerful and able to counter any, if not all of Eve's ewar capabilities.
Let's move on to their weapon systems. To keep this short, I'll stick to the Federation.
First, the Phaser. The Phaser is the primary racial weapon for the Federation. The Starship mounted Phaser banks file a steady stream of energy, which can be modulated for either pinpoint penetration or as beams that fire bolts of explosive energy. The Phaser banks can also be designed to fire bolts of energy in very rapid succession, called the Phaser Cannon. I was not able to find Canon related information pertaining to engagement ranges/tracking abilities. However, going by a similar discussion raised on another site, based upon engagements, within the shows, we can assume Engagement ranges between 100-150KM.
Next, lets move on to the missle based systems. Star Trek uses the Torpedo as their secondary weapon system. The varied types of Torpedoes used is dependent upon the nature of the engagement. All ships are equipped with the basic Photon Torpedo. Larger line ships and Defiant class ship may be equipped with the more advanced and harder hitting Quantum Torpedo. FInally, The granddaddy of them all is the Transphasic Torpedo. Meant to one shot Borg Cubes, Which can be argued are equivalent if side to Eve's Capital/Super Capital Class Ships.
Finally, How would an engagement play out between a Federation Fleet and an Eve Fleet? To play to their the Federal would engage at a distance, in a traditional fleet line. They would attempt to force the Eve fleet to burn in while unleashing phaser fire to cut through the Eve fleet's shields. Once they removed the shields, they would switch to Torpedo fire, both targeted and AOE to disrupt the Blop. The Eve Fleet would in-turn escalate to capitals and super capitals, forcing to Federation fleet to switch to Anti-Borg engagement tactics and weaponry. I think both fleets would be evenly matched and it would be a site to behold. I would give the edge to the Federaltion based upon technological advancement and since it appears their phasers can track shuttles in a fight. Ultimately, I think both sides would sustain massive losses and be forced to withdraw. |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
151
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:49:00 -
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Himnos Altar wrote:Belt Scout wrote:Star treks fleet wouldn't even make it past the first newbro gate camp on the way to meet us. There would be no fight. You're assuming that Starfleet comes into this star cluster via low/null sec. What if they appeared in hi sec? There wouldn't be many player gate camps between them and Science and Trade Institute systems.
Wouldn't even matter. Star Trek ship do not use Gates. They simply warp from system to system. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:59:00 -
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Didn't read.
hmmm which fantasy world ships are da strongest?
It will end with Warhammer 40k.
Exterminatus biatch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h67JpMyrOVE For the EMPRAH!.
"What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what."
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
448
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:00:00 -
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Executor Class Star Destroyers would be fun to brawl. Carrier Dreadnaughts mmmm. |
Priestess Tachyons
Royal Amarr substitute
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:30:00 -
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star trek whould loose badly, mainly because.
once a trek ship is destroyed, they are gone, for goods.
well that not the case with eve, we just refit then go back to the fray
some may say, they can fight while in warp speed BUT, they have to drop out of warp to fight a eve camp.
or if they dont, the bubble will.
ther shield are verry vulnerable to tachyon weapons.
kinetic weapons will mostly knout out ther crew to sick bay
ther shield and weapons aren't regenerate fast enought.
just imagine 5 milions infinite suicide gank ship can do vs 2000 trek ships
eve is a dark age of space
its just too evil for the punny federation.
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unidenify
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:45:00 -
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Priestess Tachyons wrote:star trek whould loose badly, mainly because.
once a trek ship is destroyed, they are gone, for goods.
well that not the case with eve, we just refit then go back to the fray
some may say, they can fight while in warp speed BUT, they have to drop out of warp to fight a eve camp.
or if they dont, the bubble will.
ther shield are verry vulnerable to tachyon weapons.
kinetic weapons will mostly knout out ther crew to sick bay
ther shield and weapons aren't regenerate fast enought.
just imagine 5 milions infinite suicide gank ship can do vs 2000 trek ships
eve is a dark age of space
its just too evil for the punny federation.
pretty true
if I remember correct, in TNG series, they state that it took 7 years to build Enterprise ship which is Battlecruiser size in EVE online.
and According to someone from old thread of EVE online vs Star trek vs Star war, EVE online in game is about 4 time faster than in lore. (in game, it take 3 hours and 20 min to make Drake, which in Lore it would take 13 hours and 20 min)
Given same time it take to make Enterprise (TNG), one Station with one slot with no skill in industry would pump out 8 thousand Drake.
here you have one Enterprise ship face against fleet of 8 thousand Drake |
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