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Jackson Dom
Artorius Fleet
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Posted - 2014.03.25 12:46:00 -
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Star Trek Enterprise is about 600 metres long. It's actually slightly larger than the standard battlecruisers in EVE Online. But I don't think there is a starship longer than one km in Star Trek. In EVE Online most battleships are bigger than that. Of course it would be another topic if the capital ships, especially when super capitals from EVE Online get involved. However, the size isn't very important in space. No one can actually know how many damage they can take. This is because both the ships from Star Trek and EVE Online are shielded. But there is no data supports which shield is stronger. As we all known, ships in Star Trek are quite weak when they lost their shields. Caldari ships from EVE Online also have this kind of problems. Ships from other factions in EVE Online most relied on armour. With the Damage control module any ships from EVE Online can take a lot of more damage. Star Trek doesn't have any solutions for that. As a matter of fact, the max number of high slots is eight. That means all ships from EVE Online can only fit less than eight turrets. Except cruise missile launchers, all turrets on your ship should be doubled the number you fitted, in order to fire at any direction. So in real combat, it is possible to fire more than eight turrets at the same time. Star Trek is not a game, so there is no limit how many weapons they can fit on to a ship, they can fit as more turrets as possible. In deed, just like the size of the ship, number of turrets does't really matter in space combat. What does matters is the actual damage out-put. Also, ships in Star Trek can get into warp faster than EVE Online(especially for larger ships). Star Trek ships can even engage in warp! Star Trek ships can maneuver better than EVE Online. There are so many advantages for Star Trek. It may seems like Star Trek ships are better than EVE Online. But when Star Trek fleet and EVE Online fleet really get in to a fight, The satuation should be:
Star fleet ships engage EVE Online ships.(from the view of a Star fleet ship) * Shields up! Red alert! 1. Something wrong with the radar, we cannot lock any target(ECM Jamming) 2. Thanks god, target locked. Open fire! Why can't we hit anything?(Tracking Disruption) 3. The targeting range has been reduced somehow(Sensor Dampening) 4. Taking heavy fire. Take us out of here. Sir, we can't warp.(Warp Disruption) 5. Set full speed! Engine lost 60% of power!(Stasis Webifier) 6. Fire phasers, full power! Not enough power. Cannot fire.(Energy Neutralizers)
Overall, please watch out the variety of EVE Online Ewars!!! |

Doireen Kaundur
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Posted - 2014.03.25 12:51:00 -
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Id rather see EVE online vs Star Wars. Minimizing the cost of replacing implants.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
504
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Posted - 2014.03.25 12:59:00 -
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Jackson Dom wrote:But I don't think there is a starship longer than one km in Star Trek. In EVE Online most battleships are bigger than that.
Romulan Narada from the 2009 movie is 11 km long.
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Jackson Dom
Artorius Fleet
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:05:00 -
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Thanks for reminding me. Star Trek 2009 is a great movie |

Cavalira
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:30:00 -
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This is pretty autistic. Oh well :GD: |

Tonai Kion
Rock Breaker Industrial
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:03:00 -
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I think the fight would come down to mobility. If the fight took place anywhere where both sides can use stargates, The Eve Cyno Jump tactics would allow Eve forces to project large distances and be able to outmaneuver a starfleet fleet.
However without stargates Eve ships travelling at 3AU/s are moving at... wow. They move pretty close to warp 9. That's insane. Most Starfleet ships don't go warp 9 for the fun of it, in fact only the newest ships of the line (dominion +) were probably built with that in mind. Wow, I really didn't think EVE warp was that fast. So without stargates and going manually from system to system, Both sides would have an even fight.
As far as fleet strength goes, null sec alone could hold their own against Starfleet, needless to say what the Empires would be able to wield. Even if Starfleet does have the 30-50 thousand ships estimated, a single Amarr Titan is about 5 times bigger than a Borg cube, granted I doubt a titan could ever hit a ship as small as a federation ship seeing how they are very maneuverable and tiny.
The battle plan would probably be to use titans to destroy Star fleet orbital facilities and outposts, and serve as core of a fleet, and have much smaller ships capable of engaging the smaller Starfleet ships as escorts. Short of their torpedo weapons being super effective against Armor Tanking, I doubt Starfleet has the manpower to take down a hundred titan fleets.
Conclusion, on home turf Eve will destroy Starfleet. In the Alpha Quadrant, it's dependent on what the Federation of planets's weapons are capable of.
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:07:00 -
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Everyone knows it's not the size...it's the sense of humor! Bwaaa haaa haaaaa....oops. (And, Batman can't whoop Superman. Sorry.) I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |

Jackson Dom
Artorius Fleet
1
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:08:00 -
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The federation weapons would be useless if Ewars are widely used. I don't think star trek has the solution for that |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2795
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:12:00 -
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Considering the volatility of the average Star Trek warp core, a warp scram would make it explode. Not to mention what a bubble would do to the manoeuvrability. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1056
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:15:00 -
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Starfleet has a secret weapon. Wesley Crusher. |

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:19:00 -
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this is a new and exciting topic. |

Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:21:00 -
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shouldn't you be in school? "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2742
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:42:00 -
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Cavalira wrote:This is pretty autistic. Oh well :GD:
People like you, that just throw the word 'autistic' around like a derogatory, are disgusting. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Hal Morsh
The Witch's Hammer
99
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:45:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Considering the volatility of the average Star Trek warp core, a warp scram would make it explode. Not to mention what a bubble would do to the manoeuvrability.
I've heard that in eve they would also explode if you just simply shut the ship off. I enjoy a good session of mining. |

Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:50:00 -
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Star treks fleet wouldn't even make it past the first newbro gate camp on the way to meet us.
There would be no fight.  |

unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:52:00 -
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Tonai Kion wrote:I think the fight would come down to mobility. If the fight took place anywhere where both sides can use stargates, The Eve Cyno Jump tactics would allow Eve forces to project large distances and be able to outmaneuver a starfleet fleet.
However without stargates Eve ships travelling at 3AU/s are moving at... wow. They move pretty close to warp 9. That's insane. Most Starfleet ships don't go warp 9 for the fun of it, in fact only the newest ships of the line (dominion +) were probably built with that in mind. Wow, I really didn't think EVE warp was that fast. So without stargates and going manually from system to system, Both sides would have an even fight.
As far as fleet strength goes, null sec alone could hold their own against Starfleet, needless to say what the Empires would be able to wield. Even if Starfleet does have the 30-50 thousand ships estimated, a single Amarr Titan is about 5 times bigger than a Borg cube, granted I doubt a titan could ever hit a ship as small as a federation ship seeing how they are very maneuverable and tiny.
The battle plan would probably be to use titans to destroy Star fleet orbital facilities and outposts, and serve as core of a fleet, and have much smaller ships capable of engaging the smaller Starfleet ships as escorts. Short of their torpedo weapons being super effective against Armor Tanking, I doubt Starfleet has the manpower to take down a hundred titan fleets.
Conclusion, on home turf Eve will destroy Starfleet. In the Alpha Quadrant, it's dependent on what the Federation of planets's weapons are capable of.
many people don't know that EVE online ship is quite fast when compare to Star Trek Interceptor probably is so fast that none of Star Trek ship have capable to chase it
Cerebus with full Implant of Ascendancy have warp speed equal to Star Trek TNG 9.5 warp speed.
however question is that can EVE online ship constant run max speed? |

Hal Morsh
The Witch's Hammer
99
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:54:00 -
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unidenify wrote:Tonai Kion wrote:I think the fight would come down to mobility. If the fight took place anywhere where both sides can use stargates, The Eve Cyno Jump tactics would allow Eve forces to project large distances and be able to outmaneuver a starfleet fleet.
However without stargates Eve ships travelling at 3AU/s are moving at... wow. They move pretty close to warp 9. That's insane. Most Starfleet ships don't go warp 9 for the fun of it, in fact only the newest ships of the line (dominion +) were probably built with that in mind. Wow, I really didn't think EVE warp was that fast. So without stargates and going manually from system to system, Both sides would have an even fight.
As far as fleet strength goes, null sec alone could hold their own against Starfleet, needless to say what the Empires would be able to wield. Even if Starfleet does have the 30-50 thousand ships estimated, a single Amarr Titan is about 5 times bigger than a Borg cube, granted I doubt a titan could ever hit a ship as small as a federation ship seeing how they are very maneuverable and tiny.
The battle plan would probably be to use titans to destroy Star fleet orbital facilities and outposts, and serve as core of a fleet, and have much smaller ships capable of engaging the smaller Starfleet ships as escorts. Short of their torpedo weapons being super effective against Armor Tanking, I doubt Starfleet has the manpower to take down a hundred titan fleets.
Conclusion, on home turf Eve will destroy Starfleet. In the Alpha Quadrant, it's dependent on what the Federation of planets's weapons are capable of.
many people don't know that EVE online ship is quite fast when compare to Star Trek Interceptor probably is so fast that none of Star Trek ship have capable to chase it Cerebus with full Implant of Ascendancy have warp speed equal to Star Trek TNG 9.5 warp speed. however question is that can EVE online ship constant run max speed?
I'm going to assume they both use power to warp right? Any long distance warps take a ton of the capacitor, dunno how it works in star trek.
I enjoy a good session of mining. |

Jackson Dom
Artorius Fleet
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:00:00 -
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Warp Disruption and wabber can bring a lot of troubles to star fleet |

Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:02:00 -
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Belt Scout wrote:Star treks fleet wouldn't even make it past the first newbro gate camp on the way to meet us. There would be no fight. 
You're assuming that Starfleet comes into this star cluster via low/null sec. What if they appeared in hi sec? There wouldn't be many player gate camps between them and Science and Trade Institute systems. |

Jackson Dom
Artorius Fleet
1
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:14:00 -
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The Concord will take care of them in high sec |

Jasmine Assasin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:15:00 -
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As far as EWAR, I doubt our simple systems could really take them down. Our stuff is designed to fight amongst ourselves and we really have no idea if it would even work on a Starfleet ship. I'm guessing not. The computer systems they had were/are pretty damn advanced. We still operate on tFLOPS.
Standard "deflector" shields can protect them from lasers at a minimum so the Amarr are out from the start. Same with any of our weapons that rely on actual warheads and/or some kind of shot to penetrate and I am left to conclude that their shields would hold up just fine to that. They seem most susceptible to advanced forms of energy weapons and by comparison ours are rather mundane really. |

Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:24:00 -
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Captain Jean-Luc Picard: Alright number one. Make it ..
Random Ensign: Cyno !!!
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: Cy what?
Random Ensign: Romulan Supers just dropped us!
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: what the... |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2798
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:29:00 -
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EVE has the superior inertia stabilizers. Bump the Enterprise with a frigate and everybody on board gets smeared over the bulkheads.. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers SpaceMonkey's Alliance
440
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:43:00 -
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and if it came down to EVE-Online vs Star Trek Online it would defo be EVE cause EVE ships can fire further than 10km witch is the star trek online weapon range cap for EVERY SINGLE WEAPON AND ABILITY lol :-P |

Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
151
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:45:00 -
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I'll chime in as a Star Trek Fan. I'll also try to level the playing field while using equivalencies between the two universes. I'm not going to cover every aspect, but just the basics to help everyone envision how a battle may play out. I'm also sticking with Canon based information, and will limit this post to their defensive and offensive system, as we already discussed their mobility.
Star Terk ships are mainly shield fit, with the exception of Defiant Class, which can be argued is an armor tank due to it's Ablative Armor
Star Trek Ships have better shield system that, among many abilities, are split between six zones (forward, aft, starboard, port, dorsal & ventral). These zones absorb damage independently. As one zone becomes depleted, the shields can be modulated (rotated) and distributed evenly throughout system.
Let's not even begin to discuss the absurdly powerful and flexible use of them being able to reverse and adjust their ship's Shield Polarity .The shielding system furthermore extends throughout the hull structure in the form of a Structural Integrity Field
So long as a Star Trek vessel maintains its shield, it is immensely powerful and able to counter any, if not all of Eve's ewar capabilities.
Let's move on to their weapon systems. To keep this short, I'll stick to the Federation.
First, the Phaser. The Phaser is the primary racial weapon for the Federation. The Starship mounted Phaser banks file a steady stream of energy, which can be modulated for either pinpoint penetration or as beams that fire bolts of explosive energy. The Phaser banks can also be designed to fire bolts of energy in very rapid succession, called the Phaser Cannon. I was not able to find Canon related information pertaining to engagement ranges/tracking abilities. However, going by a similar discussion raised on another site, based upon engagements, within the shows, we can assume Engagement ranges between 100-150KM.
Next, lets move on to the missle based systems. Star Trek uses the Torpedo as their secondary weapon system. The varied types of Torpedoes used is dependent upon the nature of the engagement. All ships are equipped with the basic Photon Torpedo. Larger line ships and Defiant class ship may be equipped with the more advanced and harder hitting Quantum Torpedo. FInally, The granddaddy of them all is the Transphasic Torpedo. Meant to one shot Borg Cubes, Which can be argued are equivalent if side to Eve's Capital/Super Capital Class Ships.
Finally, How would an engagement play out between a Federation Fleet and an Eve Fleet? To play to their the Federal would engage at a distance, in a traditional fleet line. They would attempt to force the Eve fleet to burn in while unleashing phaser fire to cut through the Eve fleet's shields. Once they removed the shields, they would switch to Torpedo fire, both targeted and AOE to disrupt the Blop. The Eve Fleet would in-turn escalate to capitals and super capitals, forcing to Federation fleet to switch to Anti-Borg engagement tactics and weaponry. I think both fleets would be evenly matched and it would be a site to behold. I would give the edge to the Federaltion based upon technological advancement and since it appears their phasers can track shuttles in a fight. Ultimately, I think both sides would sustain massive losses and be forced to withdraw. |

Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
151
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:49:00 -
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Himnos Altar wrote:Belt Scout wrote:Star treks fleet wouldn't even make it past the first newbro gate camp on the way to meet us. There would be no fight.  You're assuming that Starfleet comes into this star cluster via low/null sec. What if they appeared in hi sec? There wouldn't be many player gate camps between them and Science and Trade Institute systems.
Wouldn't even matter. Star Trek ship do not use Gates. They simply warp from system to system. |

Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
209
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:59:00 -
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Didn't read. hmmm which fantasy world ships are da strongest?
It will end with Warhammer 40k.
Exterminatus biatch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h67JpMyrOVE For the EMPRAH!. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |

Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
448
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:00:00 -
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Executor Class Star Destroyers would be fun to brawl. Carrier Dreadnaughts mmmm. |

Priestess Tachyons
Royal Amarr substitute
0
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:30:00 -
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star trek whould loose badly, mainly because. once a trek ship is destroyed, they are gone, for goods. well that not the case with eve, we just refit then go back to the fray
some may say, they can fight while in warp speed BUT, they have to drop out of warp to fight a eve camp. or if they dont, the bubble will. ther shield are verry vulnerable to tachyon weapons. kinetic weapons will mostly knout out ther crew to sick bay ther shield and weapons aren't regenerate fast enought.
just imagine 5 milions infinite suicide gank ship can do vs 2000 trek ships
eve is a dark age of space its just too evil for the punny federation.
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unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:45:00 -
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Priestess Tachyons wrote:star trek whould loose badly, mainly because. once a trek ship is destroyed, they are gone, for goods. well that not the case with eve, we just refit then go back to the fray
some may say, they can fight while in warp speed BUT, they have to drop out of warp to fight a eve camp. or if they dont, the bubble will. ther shield are verry vulnerable to tachyon weapons. kinetic weapons will mostly knout out ther crew to sick bay ther shield and weapons aren't regenerate fast enought.
just imagine 5 milions infinite suicide gank ship can do vs 2000 trek ships
eve is a dark age of space its just too evil for the punny federation.
pretty true
if I remember correct, in TNG series, they state that it took 7 years to build Enterprise ship which is Battlecruiser size in EVE online.
and According to someone from old thread of EVE online vs Star trek vs Star war, EVE online in game is about 4 time faster than in lore. (in game, it take 3 hours and 20 min to make Drake, which in Lore it would take 13 hours and 20 min)
Given same time it take to make Enterprise (TNG), one Station with one slot with no skill in industry would pump out 8 thousand Drake.
here you have one Enterprise ship face against fleet of 8 thousand Drake |

Willmahh
10
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:03:00 -
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actually this is how a battle would go:
1. war is declared. 2. EvE spy disbands starfleet 3. Profit??? |

ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
706
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:10:00 -
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Easy...
Fleets warp in, dish it out, and many ships explode....
Any Eve ships destroyed then return 10mins later and have another go... and then again... and again and again...
We have clones.
Or the Borg assimilate us and our technology and take over the universe...
Whichever
Nulla Curas |

unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:11:00 -
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forget to add
it is estimated that Federation in Star Trek have around seventh thousand, however would need time to gather all ships in prepare for war
while New Eden probably have capable to pump this much in 1 day.
source: http://www.ditl.org/pagarticle.php?ArticleID=14&ListID=Articles |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1203
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:18:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:EVE has the superior inertia stabilizers. Bump the Enterprise with a frigate and everybody on board gets smeared over the bulkheads..
Eve has superior bumping system. Also liqid aether. I can also see the seams in the space box. Edit signature? What's the point? |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10766
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:31:00 -
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Jasmine Assasin wrote:As far as EWAR, I doubt our simple systems could really take them down. Our stuff is designed to fight amongst ourselves and we really have no idea if it would even work on a Starfleet ship. I'm guessing not. The computer systems they had were/are pretty damn advanced. We still operate on tFLOPS.
Standard "deflector" shields can protect them from lasers at a minimum so the Amarr are out from the start. Same with any of our weapons that rely on actual warheads and/or some kind of shot to penetrate and I am left to conclude that their shields would hold up just fine to that. They seem most susceptible to advanced forms of energy weapons and by comparison ours are rather mundane really.
Dont they forever have issues with tachyon things? I also know they hate antimatter weapons and they also use torps.
Also we have several thousand years more advanced tech than they do. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10766
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:34:00 -
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METAL BWAUXES!!! Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Invisusira
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
253
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:39:00 -
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ooo ooo did someone say cross-universe ship sizes? :3 :3 :3
http://www.modenstudios.com/EVE/eve-shipsize.jpg http://www.modenstudios.com/EVE/deathstar_size.jpg Core Skills | EVE Music |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
927
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:42:00 -
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Which forces, specifically? just Eve pod pilots? I might give it to voyager era starfleet, depending on the lore numbers of pod pilots.
The entirety of eve forces vs. starfleet, or even starfleet+klingon empire+romulans? Eve.... Eve so hard.
If it's lore versus lore power mortal projection, eve wins. If you assume that Q would come to the aid of Star Trek stuff, they win.
The answer is, it depends entirely on how its framed. The fact Star Trek has God-like beings capable of bending the rules of the universe on a whim means that in an absolute struggle of universe vs. universe that star trek wins by deus ex machina |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10767
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:44:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Which forces, specifically? just Eve pod pilots? I might give it to voyager era starfleet, depending on the lore numbers of pod pilots.
The entirety of eve forces vs. starfleet, or even starfleet+klingon empire+romulans? Eve.... Eve so hard.
If it's lore versus lore power mortal projection, eve wins. If you assume that Q would come to the aid of Star Trek stuff, they win.
The answer is, it depends entirely on how its framed. The fact Star Trek has God-like beings capable of bending the rules of the universe on a whim means that in an absolute struggle of universe vs. universe that star trek wins by deus ex machina
Dont forget the other much more powerful gods they have.
Plot devices. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4527
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:21:00 -
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I would not underestimate ST tech.
They can launch torpedos that travel at warp speed, while in warp, and they are potent enough that they cannot be used at short range. Being a phaser and torp ship is also nothing to laugh at.
The shielding can be adjusted to various situations and the strength of it moved forward and back. The "orbit F1" scheme of Eve ships could seriously affect DPS.
Every ship has a tractor beam built in and can tow another ship, even in warp (per a DS9 episode).
The deflector array can serve as a graviton weapon.
The sensors on a ST ship are built in and exponentially better than in Eve tech AND a ST ships KNOWS when it's being probed. (hint hint)
New Federation vessels have multiple warp cores. I would not want to jam one then, in that cycle that I cannot instantly shut off, have it get dumped and then blow up with heinous AOE damage (enough to cause an entire Galaxy class saucer section to crash on a planet - hello?)
They don't need to dock and are reconfigurable in the field without dependency on stations, capitals, hangars, etc.
and last but certainly not least:
THEY CAN WARP FROM SYSTEM TO SYSTEM WITHOUT HAVING TO DEAL WITH BUBBLE CAMPS AND GANK PIPELINES - ALL OF THIS IS BUILT INTO EVERY SHIP
(you see if Eve ships could do that, the game would change inexorably and the nullsec blue donut will fall)
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
453
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Which forces, specifically? just Eve pod pilots? I might give it to voyager era starfleet, depending on the lore numbers of pod pilots.
The entirety of eve forces vs. starfleet, or even starfleet+klingon empire+romulans? Eve.... Eve so hard.
If it's lore versus lore power mortal projection, eve wins. If you assume that Q would come to the aid of Star Trek stuff, they win.
The answer is, it depends entirely on how its framed. The fact Star Trek has God-like beings capable of bending the rules of the universe on a whim means that in an absolute struggle of universe vs. universe that star trek wins by deus ex machina Dont forget the other much more powerful gods they have. Plot devices. Plot devices have no power here(in the sand box)! Mwahahahah! If in doubt...do...excessively. |

BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:39:00 -
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Jackson Dom wrote:The federation weapons would be useless if Ewars are widely used. I don't think star trek has the solution for that Yes they do....
They would throw a thousand horny Tribbles and they would start humping everyones leg...
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Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
96
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:43:00 -
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Cuz size matters? |

Sentinel zx
35
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:46:00 -
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and don-¦t forget ST got cloaked Self-replicating mines 
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Self-replicating_mine |

Qalix
Long Jump.
217
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:02:00 -
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Everyone seems to be assuming that various types of EWAR would actually work vs a Star Fleet ship. Whenever they "lock" a ship, there is no delay and it doesn't require anything in particular to accomplish the task. I don't EWAR would work against them.
The Enterprise doesn't have to deal with scan resolution, tracking, or any of those things. They don't use lasers and they don't have turrets. They don't need any kind of ammunition and even if they did, they can create it with replicators.
But more to the point, a cloaked star fleet vessel could transport boarding parties onto the other ships (eve shields don't work the same as star fleet ones; you can freely loot cans or dock ships with the "shields up" in eve, so they don't keep things out quite the same as in Star Trek). One shot into the pod assembly and it's all over for an EVE capsuleer. Plus, they could take the extra step of disabling communications and prevent the pod pilot from transferring his conciousness into his clone.
silly comparison overall though. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10783
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:05:00 -
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Qalix wrote:Everyone seems to be assuming that various types of EWAR would actually work vs a Star Fleet ship. Whenever they "lock" a ship, there is no delay and it doesn't require anything in particular to accomplish the task. I don't EWAR would work against them.
The Enterprise doesn't have to deal with scan resolution, tracking, or any of those things. They don't use lasers and they don't have turrets. They don't need any kind of ammunition and even if they did, they can create it with replicators.
But more to the point, a cloaked star fleet vessel could transport boarding parties onto the other ships (eve shields don't work the same as star fleet ones; you can freely loot cans or dock ships with the "shields up" in eve, so they don't keep things out quite the same as in Star Trek). One shot into the pod assembly and it's all over for an EVE capsuleer. Plus, they could take the extra step of disabling communications and prevent the pod pilot from transferring his conciousness into his clone.
silly comparison overall though.
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Qalix
Long Jump.
218
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:09:00 -
[47] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Qalix wrote:Everyone seems to be assuming that various types of EWAR would actually work vs a Star Fleet ship. Whenever they "lock" a ship, there is no delay and it doesn't require anything in particular to accomplish the task. I don't EWAR would work against them.
The Enterprise doesn't have to deal with scan resolution, tracking, or any of those things. They don't use lasers and they don't have turrets. They don't need any kind of ammunition and even if they did, they can create it with replicators.
But more to the point, a cloaked star fleet vessel could transport boarding parties onto the other ships (eve shields don't work the same as star fleet ones; you can freely loot cans or dock ships with the "shields up" in eve, so they don't keep things out quite the same as in Star Trek). One shot into the pod assembly and it's all over for an EVE capsuleer. Plus, they could take the extra step of disabling communications and prevent the pod pilot from transferring his conciousness into his clone.
silly comparison overall though. EVE tech is several thousand years more advanced  And yet they don't have transporters or replicators...
Mr. Worf, would you please go to the hangar, activate a photon torpedo, and then beam it onto the bridge next to the pod assembly please?
Yes, sir. The pod assembly is vaporised sir.
Tea, anyone? |

Recury en Distel
en Distel Family
7
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:09:00 -
[48] - Quote
Jackson Dom wrote:The federation weapons would be useless if Ewars are widely used. I don't think star trek has the solution for that
Just "compensate" or match some harmonic frequencies or whatever, easy. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
453
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:12:00 -
[49] - Quote
Qalix wrote:baltec1 wrote:Qalix wrote:Everyone seems to be assuming that various types of EWAR would actually work vs a Star Fleet ship. Whenever they "lock" a ship, there is no delay and it doesn't require anything in particular to accomplish the task. I don't EWAR would work against them.
The Enterprise doesn't have to deal with scan resolution, tracking, or any of those things. They don't use lasers and they don't have turrets. They don't need any kind of ammunition and even if they did, they can create it with replicators.
But more to the point, a cloaked star fleet vessel could transport boarding parties onto the other ships (eve shields don't work the same as star fleet ones; you can freely loot cans or dock ships with the "shields up" in eve, so they don't keep things out quite the same as in Star Trek). One shot into the pod assembly and it's all over for an EVE capsuleer. Plus, they could take the extra step of disabling communications and prevent the pod pilot from transferring his conciousness into his clone.
silly comparison overall though. EVE tech is several thousand years more advanced  And yet they don't have transporters or replicators... Mr. Worf, would you please go to the hangar, activate a photon torpedo, and then beam it onto the bridge next to the pod assembly please? Yes, sir. The pod assembly is vaporised sir. Tea, anyone? Dude, hacking nets a permaban. Same as breaking the 4th wall will get you ejected pretty quickly. If in doubt...do...excessively. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4527
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:12:00 -
[50] - Quote
Qalix wrote:baltec1 wrote:Qalix wrote:Everyone seems to be assuming that various types of EWAR would actually work vs a Star Fleet ship. Whenever they "lock" a ship, there is no delay and it doesn't require anything in particular to accomplish the task. I don't EWAR would work against them.
The Enterprise doesn't have to deal with scan resolution, tracking, or any of those things. They don't use lasers and they don't have turrets. They don't need any kind of ammunition and even if they did, they can create it with replicators.
But more to the point, a cloaked star fleet vessel could transport boarding parties onto the other ships (eve shields don't work the same as star fleet ones; you can freely loot cans or dock ships with the "shields up" in eve, so they don't keep things out quite the same as in Star Trek). One shot into the pod assembly and it's all over for an EVE capsuleer. Plus, they could take the extra step of disabling communications and prevent the pod pilot from transferring his conciousness into his clone.
silly comparison overall though. EVE tech is several thousand years more advanced  And yet they don't have transporters or replicators... Mr. Worf, would you please go to the hangar, activate a photon torpedo, and then beam it onto the bridge next to the pod assembly please? Yes, sir. The pod assembly is vaporised sir. Tea, anyone?
Anybody remember that creepy DS9 episode when a deranged Vulcan was using a sniper rifle that could transport it's view pane to a target and transport the bullet through walls to it?
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1205
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:16:00 -
[51] - Quote
Just beam one photon granade to the capsule or in the engines and destroy the ship from large distance.  Edit signature? What's the point? |

Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
92
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:16:00 -
[52] - Quote
I don't think EVE weapons would even scratch the shields of ST ships. As someone pointed out, just the navigational deflectors are strong enough to stop lasers. Minnies still use bullets, FFS, which should also be stopped by navigational deflectors, much less full shields. Star Trek ships have little difficulty tracking and destroying small targets such as missiles, fighters, and drones. Maybe blasters could do some damage, if you could get close enough (which is doubtful). |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10785
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:19:00 -
[53] - Quote
Qalix wrote: And yet they don't have transporters or replicators...
Mr. Worf, would you please go to the hangar, activate a photon torpedo, and then beam it onto the bridge next to the pod assembly please?
Yes, sir. The pod assembly is vaporised sir.
Tea, anyone?
We figured out how to be immortal and transport our minds 50,000 lightyears across space into another body instantly.
Also our space is a liquid, teleporters most likely dont work and we build a ship in hours while it takes them years. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Qalix
Long Jump.
219
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:44:00 -
[54] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Qalix wrote: And yet they don't have transporters or replicators...
Mr. Worf, would you please go to the hangar, activate a photon torpedo, and then beam it onto the bridge next to the pod assembly please?
Yes, sir. The pod assembly is vaporised sir.
Tea, anyone?
We figured out how to be immortal and transport our minds 50,000 lightyears across space into another body instantly. Also our space is a liquid, teleporters most likely dont work and we build a ship in hours while it takes them years. I'm certain that Mr. Data and Geordi could make it work. All they need to do is [TECH] the [TECH] with a [TECH], adjust the [TECH] to modulate the [TECH] and generate a subspace [TECH] to create a [TECH]. Simple.
*http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TechnoBabble |

Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
599
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:52:00 -
[55] - Quote
OH HAY WHO WOULD WIN MIGHTY MOUSE OR SUPERMAN?
TRICK QUESTION! MIGHTY MOUSE IS JUST A CARTOON CHARACTER NOT A REAL PERSON!!
NERDS
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

Sevendeadly Sins
Meatshield Bastards The Bastards.
105
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Posted - 2014.03.26 23:56:00 -
[56] - Quote
http://forums.spacebattles.com/forums/vs-debates.4/ Go bother someone else, boy. http://www.zombo.com |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
360
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:41:00 -
[57] - Quote
Star Trek would win because they can tackle and engage from off grid.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
597
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:50:00 -
[58] - Quote
Trekkies would lose because they would all get scammed in Jita.
 Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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GreenSeed
977
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:56:00 -
[59] - Quote
Cavalira wrote:This is pretty autistic. Oh well :GD: come take a walk on the sperg side, you know you want to. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10788
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Posted - 2014.03.27 01:16:00 -
[60] - Quote
Qalix wrote:baltec1 wrote:Qalix wrote: And yet they don't have transporters or replicators...
Mr. Worf, would you please go to the hangar, activate a photon torpedo, and then beam it onto the bridge next to the pod assembly please?
Yes, sir. The pod assembly is vaporised sir.
Tea, anyone?
We figured out how to be immortal and transport our minds 50,000 lightyears across space into another body instantly. Also our space is a liquid, teleporters most likely dont work and we build a ship in hours while it takes them years. I'm certain that Mr. Data and Geordi could make it work. All they need to do is [TECH] the [TECH] with a [TECH], adjust the [TECH] to modulate the [TECH] and generate a subspace [TECH] to create a [TECH]. Simple. *http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TechnoBabble
Damn plot devices.
This is all pointless anyway because 40k would come along and just grimdark everyone. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

John XIII
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
138
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Posted - 2014.03.27 01:34:00 -
[61] - Quote
EvE
Our Immortal suicide pilots would break the will of the pansies in Star Fleet.
Meta win, best win! |

Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
291
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Posted - 2014.03.27 03:20:00 -
[62] - Quote
The main problem with an Eve vs Star trek is that it presupposes aggression upon meeting. Imagine if you were Jean-luc Picard (Picking on TNG here since this is probably the one people are more familiar with) and you somehow get blown into star cluster which is only about 150 lightyears at its widest point and has about five thousand habitable star systems, with a special warp fold (wormhole space) with about 2500 unique 'stable' zones. In this system there are about 500000 free agents and an unknown amount of people affliated with various empires and factions who are functionally immortal who could outbuild the entirety of the federation's ship capability on a daily basis and, more interestingly, could refit against it within minutes. If you want the enterprise to tread carefully you would just have to tell them what happened in BR-5 and what happened afterwards and tell them that was for fun.
You do not stir this type of crazy, you either back off from it or try and negotiate with it. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4423
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Posted - 2014.03.27 03:41:00 -
[63] - Quote
Do you people know nothing!
James T Kirk will own the day. That's how it always ends.
Sure. He'll have his shirt half ripped off but the hot alien babe on his arm will more than makes up for that.
Mr Epeen  There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Dani Maulerant
Valkyrie Professional Resources R.E.S.P.A.W.N.
0
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Posted - 2014.03.27 03:59:00 -
[64] - Quote
Star Trek has quite a number of advantages.
Their warp speed even for the largest ships are measured in light-years, not merely AUs. The scanners also work out to light-year ranges. Not a 14AU dscan. Can beam a boarding crew on board. and with the minimal crew that capsuleer piloted ships use, wouldn't be much resistance. If you think bubbles are bad, if the Federation decided to use an omega molecule detonation, it would render warp travel impossible for light-years around and on a permanent basis.
Also are we just limiting it to Federation vessels? Because if we just use the broad term of a "Star Trek Fleet" then why not include Borg? Their shielding can reach 100% resists after only a few shots from the enemy. Or lets throw in some Species 8472 for good measure and their biological ships and super weapons. |

Liam Inkuras
Aunenen Civil Liberties Union
904
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:18:00 -
[65] - Quote
Just bring a f*ckton of Falcons I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |

Vindici Vuoto
The Golden Smithies
0
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:29:00 -
[66] - Quote
Transporters beat jamming by teleporting explosives right next to the enemy. In fact, provided that enemy shields are taken care of, they beat anything: Eve crews transported and pampered by Orion slavegirls to prevent clone jumping, ships cannibalised module by faction module.
Also, Star Trek glorified tea-earlgrey-hot makers versus the ISK hungry war machine of Eve. The joys of protracted war.
These two technologies make the Federation virtually invincible. They'd have to be expropriated by Eve spies as soon as possible. Or reverse engineered by Eve scientists. If not, it would be an exercise in futility. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10797
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:44:00 -
[67] - Quote
Vindici Vuoto wrote:Transporters beat jamming by teleporting explosives right next to the enemy. In fact, provided that enemy shields are taken care of, they beat anything: Eve crews transported and pampered by Orion slavegirls to prevent clone jumping, ships cannibalised module by faction module.
Also, Star Trek glorified tea-earlgrey-hot makers versus the ISK hungry war machine of Eve. The joys of protracted war.
These two technologies make the Federation virtually invincible. They'd have to be expropriated by Eve spies as soon as possible. Or reverse engineered by Eve scientists. If not, it would be an exercise in futility.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2634
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:47:00 -
[68] - Quote
This thread is terrible and even from a nerd point of view shows a shocking lack of understanding of both universes.
Of course, anything that Rick Berman has breathed on has already been ruined beyond redemption. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |

Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
108
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:53:00 -
[69] - Quote
Goons will first have CCP nerf them... Then Erotica1 will scam them of all their money... And then NO will then gank them when they try to mine Dylithium cause they don't have any more money to buy permits... And lastly, Mining Chat will laught them out of the universe...
Star Trek doesn't stand a chance, and they never even fired a shot.
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