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Muratac Mombesi
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Posted - 2006.05.03 07:17:00 -
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Well... I like this game. Its pretty cool and has some very good aspects.
But there are very big Problem - timezones... The US Players are online and they really live in another universe than the EURO player live in. I.e. I'm in a mixed corp - the US ppl say, everything looks good and our enemies will be destroyed the next 2 month... but our enemies have many EURO players and as I'm a EURO too, we have no chance against them.
So why couldn't CCP create one EURO and one US Relam?
I really like this big universe and the idea to put every EVE Player to the same server. But when I started EVE I didn't thought that it would be such a great problem. I don't like MMORPG that have many many different relams - but EVE showed me that it is way better to have more relams than only having one relam to join... :(
PLEASE, PLEASE ... I think I'm not alone. So I hope many will share this opinion.
greets
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Iron Wraith
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Posted - 2006.05.03 07:57:00 -
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shhh, now run and hide over there before the devs see you!
seriously tho, that is one of the strong points of eve. the devs and the player base are very proud of the fact its all on the one server. yes, there is an oriental server going up, take a browse through the dev blogs and you'll find out why. but ccp are very strongly commited to haveing things on the one server. they get all wound up if you start mentioning instancing, let alone sepperate shards!
to get round your problem you will have to either recrute more euro players, or get you us players to juggle a few days around so they can hit your foes when they are online.
Because sometimes you just have to go back to your roots: [2005.02.20 01:08:03] (combat) Your Civilian Light Electron Blaster perfectly strikes Serpentis Smuggler, wrecking for 20.3 damage. |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.03 08:40:00 -
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Funny, I'd have thought what you describe is actually a good thing.
p.s. it's rather obvious that yours is not a logical reason to split the server right ?
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.03 08:48:00 -
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I was unaware that People had to take shifts to play Eve.
US Shift is over guys, clock out, no overtime victory for you.
EU Shift, hurry up and clock in, dont want the enemy to be waiting for your surrender.
China Shift, clock in for 3 hours, take your 21 hour lunch, come back for 3 more hours, take your 21 hour break, come back for another 2 hours and 1 hour overtime, then take your day off (21 hours) and come back again next week.
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Muratac Mombesi
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Posted - 2006.05.03 08:51:00 -
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Well... this Point is why I'll maybe quit the game. Clear... the Devs are US amaricans and think USA is the only country of the world... but that's not the fact. Even if some americans don't believe...
What is the super uber fact for having only ONE server? "If your friend plays EVE, you are on the same server...!" But Hell... like 0.5% of all the like 20000 players of EVE have a friend that is located at the other side of the world... and they wouldn't play together because there are like 12hours between them...
I pretty like the game. But there is no reason not putting a EURO and a US server online. But there is a reason putting at least 2 servers online. Even more players would join EVE and even more players will be joining EVE - and the latest unexpected server downtime shows that the hardware causes problems
I don't think that multiple servers should be set up... but at least 2 for the two main timezones EURO and US...
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.03 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Muratac Mombesi Well... this Point is why I'll maybe quit the game. Clear... the Devs are US amaricans and think USA is the only country of the world... but that's not the fact. Even if some americans don't believe...
The devs are in Iceland.
Quote: What is the super uber fact for having only ONE server? "If your friend plays EVE, you are on the same server...!" But Hell... like 0.5% of all the like 20000 players of EVE have a friend that is located at the other side of the world... and they wouldn't play together because there are like 12hours between them...
How did they become friends then?
Quote: I pretty like the game. But there is no reason not putting a EURO and a US server online. But there is a reason putting at least 2 servers online. Even more players would join EVE and even more players will be joining EVE - and the latest unexpected server downtime shows that the hardware causes problems
It's a software problem actually.
Quote: I don't think that multiple servers should be set up... but at least 2 for the two main timezones EURO and US...
So you agree or disagree with yourself? I'm confused.
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I'm''Sofa''King''Ugly
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Posted - 2006.05.03 09:27:00 -
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Just Say No!!
one server is what makes EVE what it is. And the Idea of 2 servers for different timezones is CRAZY!!. I started playing EVE in the EUR TZ and now play in the US TZ. there is no difference in the amount of members online prolly about equal as most of EVE subscriptions are probably EURO based. And This will never happen for one fact. This is EVE. if you are having problems with personel in your corp/Alliance whatever as said before do some recruiting. And yes it is a shift basis And yes you can lose half your assets in your sleep/while walking the wife/eating dinner with the dog/ whatever. Thats bacause eve is a Virtual world were you have to depend on real life people to hold down the fort in your absense. but i hear that BF2/CS/FS/PS/WOW/ have what your looking for. But to making another universe Just Say No
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K Shara
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Posted - 2006.05.03 09:40:00 -
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you are an idiot
no to multi servers
My corp is about 50/50 us/euro TZ. And there is plenty of cross over.
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James Duar
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Posted - 2006.05.03 09:58:00 -
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NOOOO!!!!
Holy hell, the one server cluster is what makes EVE great. I'm an Aussie and I have no problems playing across the oceans to play EVE!
One server means that mixed corps are awesome and that there's always something going on in the world. It means that you can rotate shifts and not get your stuff owned because someone in another corp can play at 2 in the morning or noon!
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Iron Wraith
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Posted - 2006.05.03 10:00:00 -
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hehe, i told you the players were fond of the one cluster to rule them all
maybe you need to look at the corp your in. if the timezones is an issue for you then find a different home. there are plenty of european timezone corps. afterall eve is a european game.
its not usa based at all. with the devs in iceland and the servers in london its the americans who might be getting the wrong end of the stick.
as K Shara so erm, bluntly pointed out there is a much larger mix of timezones in many corps and alliances. my corp as a good mix of timezones, we even have an austrailian to confuse things for scheduling corp meetings . our ceo is in the states but its far from being a usa corp. out alliance has an even bigger mix. infact when i game about half the people i'm flying with wont be on the same timezone as me.
the one cluster is one of the best parts of eve that make it different from all the other games. no other company has had the balls to try doing what ccp have achieved. i think you will start to see the next few generations of mmorpg's aim for a single cluster too. now its been done once the rest are bound to follow. i still think its funny that a little relitivly unknown company has managed to pull something off the huge corporations couldnt do .
the corp you are in is very important to your eve experiance. if its not working out for you then find a greener field.
Because sometimes you just have to go back to your roots: [2005.02.20 01:08:03] (combat) Your Civilian Light Electron Blaster perfectly strikes Serpentis Smuggler, wrecking for 20.3 damage. |
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Kalaan Oratay
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Posted - 2006.05.03 10:25:00 -
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Two examples: a) A friend comes over to your house and sees an EvE icon on your desktop and says "omg! I didn't know you played eve! Here we should get together and pwn some newbs lol!"
b) A friend comes over to your house and sees a WoW icon on your desktop and says "omg! what server do you play on? We should go pwn some newbs! Oh, I play somewhere else... nvm"
Everyone that plays eve, plays in the same place. This is a good thingÖ
(apologies for the WoW example. Obviously a true friend would beat you to death)
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SentryRaven
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Posted - 2006.05.03 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kalaan Oratay
Everyone that plays eve, plays in the same place. This is a good thingÖ
A very good thingÖ
Originally by: Kalaan Oratay
(apologies for the WoW example. Obviously a true friend would beat you to death)
I don't give my friends who play WoW a beating, I know they have a hard time anyway, but EVE being on one server is what makes it so unique and interesting. If I had to switch my servers and play another character on every Server of EVE, I'd quit playing, cause I wouldnt be able to play around with friends AND skill my character in a effective way....
New Ship Idea: Small Freighters (100k m¦) in EVE |
Muratac Mombesi
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kalaan Oratay Two examples: a) A friend comes over to your house and sees an EvE icon on your desktop and says "omg! I didn't know you played eve! Here we should get together and pwn some newbs lol!"
Than he will play the same Timezone as you do... No Problem here!
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b) A friend comes over to your house and sees a WoW icon on your desktop and says "omg! what server do you play on? We should go pwn some newbs! Oh, I play somewhere else... nvm"
As I mentioned... Not multiple Servers each Zone. But at least two Servers - one Us and one EURO zone.
It would also cause to make the game more connecting the people. And therefore make EVE more popular...
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:25:00 -
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I like it the way it is. There are those I like to chat to and those I have to avoid and I don't want to be wondering if they are on my server today. I am from the UK and I've got used to when the respective people log in and generally know that if I play into the small hours, I can chat to friends in another local corp from Texas and if I log in at a certain time, I can move around fairly freely in certain areas of lowsec.
I don't want to be met by someone new who's going to immediately pwn me because they've been playing on another server and have uber skills and experience. I don't want to have to log on to another server just to chat to my friends.
I just hope the characters on the China server are limited only to the China server. I can foresee major problems if CCP let those players port their characters and equipment over to the TQ server.
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Jinx Barker
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:36:00 -
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The beauty of EVE, what is most engaging about EVE is the fact that we are playing in a Single Universe, not divided into shards, even two servers will be detrimental. I am wholly against the idea of spliting EVE.
I play both US/EST and UK/GMT/BST timezones, part of the year is spent in USA and part in UK. The 5 hour difference does not bother me much, I have friends in EVE from France, UK, Sweeden, Finland, Russia, USA and even Korea, we still manage to play together and keep in touch w/o many issues.
Splitting EVE into Euro/USA shards is simply illogical, not only it prolifirates divisivness, it also kills everything EVE is about, a one, single, united, universe, where things are happening all at once. Splitting EVE is a slippery slope, first we have 2 shards, then someone will say well why not third, and eventually game will become something other than EVE.
Sorry, no splitting EVE.
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Iron Wraith
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:40:00 -
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the chinese shard will be completly sepperate from ours. nothing but the code and content will flow between them.
take a look at this blog for info on the chinese shard.
to the op, there is a reason they made another shard, and this quote from that blog sums it up:
Originally by: LeKjart [reasons why they went for another shard...]The first and most obvious one is that the legal environment in China dictates an online game offered to Chinese customers should be operated from within China and by a Chinese operator, so our choices were to either ignore the Chinese market completely, or to approach it through a partnership with a local operator.
read the blog and dont get any funny ideas about more shards popping up. while i understand you have problems with timezones seperate shards is not the solution. there are many great friendships to be made by flying with people in different timezones. something thats almost exclusive to eve with their dedication to the one cluster. its a shame they had to give in for the chinese version but they didnt have an option in that.
i know you wont want to leave your corp. but you have to think about it clearly. if eve sucks cos your the only one online in your corp then why are you still there? i'm not saying you should join the enemy. but look elsewhere for a corp. its really not hard to find a corp in the euro timezone
Because sometimes you just have to go back to your roots: [2005.02.20 01:08:03] (combat) Your Civilian Light Electron Blaster perfectly strikes Serpentis Smuggler, wrecking for 20.3 damage. |
Jacobz
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:58:00 -
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China is china = different set of rules/censor.
For TQ, Serenity will never exist unless the chinese gov falls. Lets stop talking about it, please. Its just an extra $$$$ for ccp witch can only be good in the end. Its also a distinct possibility that the serenity cluster becomes 10 times bigger than TQ, simply by looking at the market size and the time when its released.(I.e in 2006)
If eve would be released today(for the first time) it would probably grab more market share than there is actually in the euro/us market. 2-3 of my friends just tried and they are boggled by the fact people have 60 times their skill pts ammounts so they won't play.(competitive bastards...)
So the only way I see "other servers" poping up is throught a fragmented, protected expansion. Lemme explain.
Create new "worlds"(1k star system?) with their own mobs etc on their own server(everybody starts at 0 sp) let them play appart for 1 year(14-17m sp) then connect them to TQ. It would be a great way to expand the game, while creating better breading grounds for new players.(Witch I think is eve main problem if CCP wants to increase membership in a significant way.)
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.05.03 13:06:00 -
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No, CCP quite clearly stated that they be happy to liscence Eve to other partners, not only "Eve China". So if you have...at a guess 'a minimum of 1.5 million dollars you too could start an Eve server.
I think it'll happen, but not for a few years.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.05.03 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Muratac Mombesi
So why couldn't CCP create one EURO and one US Relam?
***/ blather /***
PLEASE, PLEASE ... I think I'm not alone. So I hope many will share this opinion.
You're clearly playing the wrong game, as you're completely missing the fundamental point behind Eve. ____________________________________________
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Muratac Mombesi
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Posted - 2006.05.03 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Muratac Mombesi on 03/05/2006 13:29:40 I think many people in many countrys are afraid playing games not in their native language. So if there would be one server in each language/country there would be more ppl playing EVE. The second thing is the timezone.. If you have trouble to organize and coordinate a corp/guild or whatever... than the different timezone in EVE maximizes this trouble. The gameplay wouldn't be change so much. As you mention, nobody would play WoW because there are many many different relams - even 10th in each country. But the fact is - many more people play WoW as if there would have been only one server; with one timezone; one language...
The Chinese alpha had about 3000 participants... and there will be for sure about 10k to 20k players joining EVE... but this players would never join TQ. Not if the whole game is only english/english speaking.
So its up to CCP if they hopefully see a market in setting up different servers
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Iron Wraith
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Posted - 2006.05.03 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Muratac Mombesi I think many people in many countrys are afraid playing games not in their native language. So if there would be one server in each language/country there would be more ppl playing EVE.
but there would be less people to play eve with. the things players can do when they group together are insane. splitting them up over different shards is going to reduce how many can band together. take a look at any fleet. now remove the players from all but one country and all you have left is a small squad. most of my alliance is not english. if i was on an english only shard i'd still be stuck in empire running missions. there are ingame chat channels for several languages. players can also band together in corps and even alliances who all come from the same counrty. yes its a shame players are put off due to laungage barriers but splitting the players over multiple shards is only going to make for a barren and bland landscape.
Originally by: Muratac Mombesi The second thing is the timezone.. If you have trouble to organize and coordinate a corp/guild or whatever... than the different timezone in EVE maximizes this trouble. The gameplay wouldn't be change so much.
there is no problem with timezones if you are in the right corp/alliance. this is a breakdown of the timezones just in my corp:
EVE TIME -7 hours: 1 player EVE TIME -6 hours: 1 player EVE TIME -5 hours: 2 players EVE TIME -4 hours: 4 players EVE TIME +1 hour: 6 players(of which 4 are RL friends who have jumped corp together) EVE TIME +2 hours: 1 player EVE TIME +8 hours: 1 player
we just dont have a timezone problem. there is always someone to play with and when you add in the alliance then there is more than enough people to have fun with. i strongly recomend you find a new corp if the timezones are ruining the game for you.
Originally by: Muratac Mombesi As you mention, nobody would play WoW because there are many many different relams - even 10th in each country. But the fact is - many more people play WoW as if there would have been only one server; with one timezone; one language...
wow is mainstream, eve is niche. wow was backed by one of the biggest names in online gaming and had the money to burn on marketing and a reputation to help. eve had neither and has got where it is today by being what it is. eve would never be as big if ccp hadn't sweated so much blood to keep it all in the same shard.
eve's single universe and offline training time are 2 very different breaks from the mould most other mmorpg's use. eve stands out becasue it dares to be different. and its sucessfull because those differences work.
Because sometimes you just have to go back to your roots: [2005.02.20 01:08:03] (combat) Your Civilian Light Electron Blaster perfectly strikes Serpentis Smuggler, wrecking for 20.3 damage. |
Iron Wraith
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Posted - 2006.05.03 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell No, CCP quite clearly stated that they be happy to liscence Eve to other partners, not only "Eve China". So if you have...at a guess 'a minimum of 1.5 million dollars you too could start an Eve server.
I think it'll happen, but not for a few years.
where did u hear that? have i missed out on a dev blog or two or was it said in a dev chat? could u stick a link in, pleeeease?
Because sometimes you just have to go back to your roots: [2005.02.20 01:08:03] (combat) Your Civilian Light Electron Blaster perfectly strikes Serpentis Smuggler, wrecking for 20.3 damage. |
Karazaan
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Posted - 2006.05.03 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Muratac Mombesi Well... this Point is why I'll maybe quit the game. Clear... the Devs are US amaricans and think USA is the only country of the world... but that's not the fact. Even if some americans don't believe...
(cough) (cough) As already said, CCP are far from americans AND you can be sure that they won't turn the servers off as soon as profit start to go down. They will only do it if the spending get over the income. Not paying for the expansions is a clear sign of non-americanism.
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What is the super uber fact for having only ONE server? "If your friend plays EVE, you are on the same server...!" But Hell... like 0.5% of all the like 20000 players of EVE have a friend that is located at the other side of the world... and they wouldn't play together because there are like 12hours between them...
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Thing is, it's not just to not have to tell your friends on which server you are, so they start on the same as you. It's also for your enemy. You realise there is NO running from them, whatever you do mining, a complex or a mission, they can always find you. Whatever in 0.0 or in a school system in 1.0 . You can be hunted down. You see a reason?
Also, there is only one market, so if something happen, we are all in deep trouble. We will collectively try to fix it, or live with it. We cannot just transfer ourselves someplace else where the grass is greener.
We are all in the same universe and everything that affect it affect all of us. Let's say morphite was to go to 1 mil a unit. Many corps that would'nt normally go in 0.0 would go to mine it. It would be worth it even with the occassional gank. You can't get to a point where a server is completely controlled by a single corp and you HAVE to transfer elsewhere to play or bow to them.
If total supremacy was achieved by a single corp or alliance, everyone that play eve (and not in that corp/alliance) would be their enemy. So they would fall. Think the humans/ants war, yes we are winning, but if only they had a plan...
So, if you have such a problem with your current corp timezone, change. It's so simple, go play with peoples that play at the same time as you, and you have better chance of finding these peoples when everyone is stuck in the same place.
Though of the day: what corp or alliance will be the biggest producer of Black Morphite for the first 3 months window?
Though of the week: how many alliances will survive the Kali launch? intact?
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Dev7
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Posted - 2006.05.03 14:35:00 -
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don't like that idea as 2 servers...
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Lord Slater
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Posted - 2006.05.03 17:32:00 -
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Altaree
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Posted - 2006.05.03 17:43:00 -
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I LOVE one shard. I just put my sell and buy orders up. Go to bed or work. While away I am secure in the knowledge that someone in a different time zone will sell me a bunch of stuff cheap or buy a bunch of my overpriced crap. The best part of eve is the graph of how many people are on at one time. The graph is pretty much FLAT. There are no HUGE hump that match EST and PST time zones. Oh... The devs are in Iceland and have a lot of EURO's working there.
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Lagar
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Posted - 2006.05.03 19:01:00 -
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Not going to happen.. the only reason that the china server exists is beceause they have to respect the culture there.. Eve-online is ment to be ONE server..
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Bolderine
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Posted - 2006.05.03 19:34:00 -
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There is only one way it could possibly done in the Future. Taking into consideration that tq will still have a maximum limit before it too starts to destabilise as the previous servers did. Using a system of clusters linked to each other, the load can be taken from the single cluster and spread over several located around the world. The permanent link between them would provide the single persistant universe we already have. Although there would be several clusters, in effect, there is still only one shard.
I have seen the number logged on at one time rise from 12 thousand when I started to 20 thousand when the new servers went in and now it's over 28 thousand. A few nights ago, I believe it hit 30 thousand at one point. No matter how good these servers are, there is still a maximum that they can take.
-- He who died for his country has courage and shall henceforth be known as a hero. He who is willing to die for nothing is suicidal and shall henceforth be known as an outpatient.
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Ellaine TashMurkon
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Posted - 2006.05.03 20:21:00 -
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signed against. One server is good. Tiem shift is not a problem. Why wuld it be a problem? Do people play at some set hours? Everyone plays in 20:00 to 23:30? EU players can team up with US players playing in ontherr time of the day.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.03 21:17:00 -
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Today I did a hauling op with some australians.
Then after downtime went for a spot of mining and npcing with a fellow european.
Tonight we'll be (if i manage to find some time) pvp'ing with europeans, americans, and even a strange fellow from Saipan (if he gets on tonight) against other eutopeans, americans and whatever not.
Tell me, what other mmo features worldwide competition and teamplay like that ?
This summer (if i can get a week off), people from the americas, europe, asia and australia will meet in a sekrit place to meet eachother and drink ourselves into s tupor for a whole week. Only because Eve has only one server.
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