Cerberus does 700+ dps with just Tech 2 upgrades, HAMs and 3 Hob 2's, not sure where people are getting at limiting HACS to 500 dps. It's quite enjoyable with a MINIMUM range of 35 km for a skilled pilot, though Implants/rigs could make this even more if desired.

My Cerb got 650dps with rapid lights @65km. Is OP; pls nerf.

that is a bit insane

no it isn't. My cerb gets a little over 800 dps with rapid lights when I overheat. But I have to suffer a 40 second reload time. So yep. Also Ishtar isn't OP if you know how to fight it. Most people just throw together a kitchen sink fleet of random crap and don't use an proper principles of warfare.

1) intelligence - scout your enemy
2) manuever - use probes and safe spots and pings to get around their sentry drone coverage
3) logistics - bring logistics and repair, triage carrier, recon ships for extended ewar range (Damps, TP,TD, Web and Point Range.
4) Use specialized tackle - interceptors and dictors for defensive bubbling preventing the enemy from warping in and out at preferred ranges.

OR

fight stupid like you are currently doing and die. continue ratting in carriers in anoms in null as well.

k thx bye.

Is the ishtar a good ship? YES
Is the ishtar overpowered as u are saying? NO

You can't just consider " ideal conditions " let discuss this:

1) DPS u are claiming is bound to garde so it's thermal, if u switch u lose dps.
2) SENTRY are stationary, u have to sit 0 speed or deploy a new sets if target it's not webbed/scrambled
3) DRONES are distructible (bad cohice to shoot drones anyway) and can't be overloaded.
4) DDA not possible to fit faction

So it's not all milk and honey like u said even if i would reduce optimal range and tracking of all drones ships.

the ishtar itself is not OP ..it is quite hard to fit to utilise the full range of sentries .. sentries on the other hand are OP

gardes - 660 dps with 2 DDA's max lv5 skills upto 50km ish with omnis ... even a Talos would have a hard time doing comparable damage at that range..
bouncers doing 580 dps upto 110km then falloff is as far as you can control your drones about 150km with 3 DLA's

With absolute silly amounts of training, sentries can only engage at 60ish KM. This can be stretched with modules and rigs, but now you are cutfing into other things.

That projection is one of the benefits to drones, but you have to admit being able to rip the guns right off a ship in space is a potent trade off.

Regardless, do not spout sentry ranges as if the ship can actually use that range. Targeting range and drone control range rule here.

well the ishtar can get 80km base drone control range at lv5 skills.. plenty for those gardes..

like i said the ishtar itself is not OP since you need loads of mods to get the ranges needed .. targeting (sebo) and drone range
(omnis) and drone control range (DLAS) .. but the dps of sentries combined with the range and tracking is OP..

I am at work and cant check.... How is an Istar getting 80k base drone control range? Isnt it 60k with maxxed electronics warfare drone control?

55 with ewar drone 5 I think.

Then 5km per level for AHAC skill.

So you admit that you have to seriously cut into your other slots to fit assisting modules in order to make good use of the sentries, turning your ship into a rather wafer thin cruiser, but that the damage is op despite flying a ship that crumples in seconds if caught?

Talos gets 1300 dps when glass cannon, nerf, nerf, nerf. Damage is OP. Terribly OP. Nerf Talos. Ignore drawbacks. Nerf.


Just stop. While you are only this far behind.

The Deimos hits harder and has a better active tank. The problem isn't with it's tank and mobility. It's the range at wich it's able to project that much damage.
As said before, sentries are battleship class weapons. It's like having a talos with HAC ehp.

I get that sentries have downsides but come on :
- you can change damage types
- you have range and tracking bonus from omnidirs (unlike missiles)
- you can adapt your range, just like swapping ammo, by swapping sentry types
- you deal BS-class damage at BS-class range with almost cruiser-class tracking
- you don't need capacitor to keep them shooting, so you can't counter them with neuts
- hell, you don't even need to lock you target, so ECM or damps are useless once they start shooting
- they are immune to tracking disruption
- they don't take high slots
- and most importantly : you can change WEAPONS SYSTEMS during a fight (launch light drones to kill frigs, ECM drones to gtfo, ...). It's like you could swap to light pulses/beams while fighting in a zealot and get a bonus to it.

Downside :
- they can be destroyed.

Which is not that much of a downside, since your opponent is "wasting" dps on your drones instead of shooting you. And it's a downside only if he survives long enough to destroy all the drones you had in stock.
Also I disagree with people who say that a stationary weapon is a downside. Their range is more than enough to project damage about anywhere you would go on a fight. If that's not enought, drop more sentries. People seem to forget that you can just abandon your drones to drop some more and adapt to what happens during the fight. You dont' need to sit on your sentries to swap damage types.
"But if I do that, I'll lose my drones !" Maybe, but your opponent will lose his ship. Pretty good trade if you ask me.

Finally to all people who say "if ishtars were overpowered, you would see them everywhere" ... Seriously ? The are everywhere.
They simply are the most used HACs in the game, pvp and pve.

If anything I'd nerf the drone hitpoint end of the bonuses. Let them have their DPS, but make their drones easier to take down. Besides, tha'd bolster the role of the Dominix over the Ishtar.

again you are talking about the ship being bad .... the OP says its OP .. i am saying the ship is not OP as you have pointed out
i am saying sentries themselves are OP... do read posts before you reply please

point 2 is a little off .. you can orbit your own sentries to build some transversal

Swap it's sentry bonuses with heavy drone bonuses. It fits with the gallente brawler style and while it technically has more dps then a sentry set up it exposes the ishtar to much more risk.

Honestly though I'm not sure this is the way to go about it. Something like reducing velocity or adding mass or sig could offset their mobility advantage in relation to other HACs