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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.05.03 22:39:00 -
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Right the problem is thus:
I have a -2.5 sec. It's been lower but I've ratting to get it back up.
It means it takes me like what, 100 jumps to between Khanid and The Bleak Lands, for example given I can't use the hubs. That's 100 jumps through occupied gank lowsec.
So, the solution? Pod myself... and clone there.
Except then I have no ship... so I'd have to spend 4 hours looking for parts as I can't use any of the hubs.
By the time the 4 hours is up, the reason I was travelling for (say a group op or something similar) is already over and done with.
People are suggesting I get a hauler alt. Can't do unless he gets freighter skills... that's not exactly a short term solution.
The main suggestion I've had is to hire people to do it. A good suggestion, were I not a 16/7 player. I mean, everytime I want to travel am I expected to go through a list of freighter pilots and see who is online, then pay them to haul for me? I can't just hire one person because I'd be bogged down by their timetable, so I'd need to set up a huge array of contracts.
I'd get my sec status back up, except I've been wardecced by anti-pirates and have lost like 4 Apocs trying to rat and it's getting silly now. They just camp all the systems I go to. (PS. Someone with 9.3 security status just blew me up with a HAC gank squad, how does that work? If they're anti pirate they should lose sec for ganking people, not gain it?)
I've looked over this problem for a week, being gradually getting more and more frustrated at the lack of useful solutions. Having wasted over 100 hours on ratting and losing around a billion's worth of ships (like 400 million taking into account insurance) I'm completly at the end of my tether.
Is there a practical solution to travelling with low security that doesn't involve a 2-4 hour delay or should I basically just give up now? If I had some way to get my security status back up without being ganked, I've made enough from pirating that I could just put money into a mining venture and get returns from that, I'd never have to pirate again... (loathed as I am to that I have enough 0.0 contacts that I could still take part in PvP with my choice of alliance, without the security status issues).
It's a far out, unlikely situation I realise but I'm stuck in it and it's driving me up the proverbial wall. I can only take my frustrations out on innocents for so long before I lose patience with this ridiculous, insane predicament. I'm not blaming CCP, I doubt they exactly saw this kind of situation coming, but I need a solution.
If you want to flame, go ahead, I've got alot of it. Please though, try to get some decent solution that means I can actually take part in ad-hoc operations outside my little region.
I've heard lots of suggestions but none of them solve this simple time barrier. I have better things to do than waste 4 hours each time on the off chance a battle/operation might go on for more than 4 hours and I'll be able to take part in the ending. If I'm forced into such a situation then I'd rather quit.
I have dedicated alot of time to this game, I have accumulated alot of money and quite a bit of standing but there's a simple fact that I'm got myself into a situation that wasn't forseen and I can't find a reasonable way out.
Damn this must be long by now... I'll leave you to the ideas.
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Darkcor
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Posted - 2006.05.03 22:45:00 -
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Concord doesn't pod. Fly in your pod.
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.05.03 22:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Darkcor
Concord doesn't pod. Fly in your pod.
I still have the fitting issue.. it's not getting there... it's getting there and having a ship at the end of it (preferably within a reasonable time frame)
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4seti
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Posted - 2006.05.03 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: 4seti on 03/05/2006 22:46:55
Would it be possible to buy a freighter pilot character and run it on a second account? I realize it would cost alot but only thing I could come up with.
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.05.03 22:49:00 -
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Would it be possible to buy a freighter pilot character and run it on a scond avvout? I realize it would cost alot but only thing I could come up with.
If I spent the ISK on a freighter pilot alt... I'd then not be able to afford a freighter  Good idea though...
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.03 22:51:00 -
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How big is the cargo?
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.05.03 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Eximius Josari
How big is the cargo?
Apoc + Fittings, minimum. Usually, I would have a few spares if there was an alliance battle but I'm sure I could forego that 
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Ayame Mishima
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Posted - 2006.05.03 22:57:00 -
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Mh... can't you get that fitting down there? I mean losing 400 mil already and you couldn't afford another ship that you have parked down there? 
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.05.03 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ayame Mishima
Mh... can't you get that fitting down there? I mean losing 400 mil already and you couldn't afford another ship that you have parked down there?
If I knew where 'there' was maybe... but I join in ops for three different alliances all based at different ends on EVE on an ad-hoc basis, sometimes for pay sometimes for fun. I don't know which of 100 systems I'd be at in advance, otherwise I could just move it in one go (I DO have a couple of freighter pilots I could hire for a one off job, but not for 'on call' for the reasons stated in my original post).
It seems like mercenary and low security status are somewhat mutally exclusive...
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.05.03 23:05:00 -
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Other solutions I've heard:
Get production skills: I have none as it stands. I can't imagine I can get them overnight =P
Hire a producer: All very well and good but for the exact same reason I can't get a freighter pilot, I don't want to be tied down to someone else's playing time. I play all day, everyday.
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.05.03 23:14:00 -
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Well you're not locked out of all of empire, just 1.0 & 0.9. You might have to smack the auto-pilot around to get a route. But it's doable.
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Originally by: Mephysto
come on, solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.05.03 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
Well you're not locked out of all of empire, just 1.0 & 0.9. You might have to smack the auto-pilot around to get a route. But it's doable.
Had a go at this. Spent an hour trying to find a decent route (I figured, hey how hard can it be?). The best route I could find to Khanid last night was around 50 jumps to do what was 15 using the hubs.. and it took me through alliance occupied low sec anyway. That's when I realised things really were getting stupid.
What annoys me is how incredibly difficult it'd be just regain that three kills worth of security status back. Nine hours ratting minimum (having done the math three days ago)... during which time I'd probably lose like three Apocs, unless I bounced around safespots, but then I'd be looking at like thirty solid hours.
I've got access to a 0.0 region which might speed up the process, I just can't get to it without being ganked by hostile forces unless I used the hubs to sneak around the back, but I don't have access to them.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH 
/emote is getting a headache
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SmokeMeAKipper
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Posted - 2006.05.03 23:25:00 -
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-2.5 means only 1.0 and 0.9 are off limits right maybe 0.8 i cant remember
make instas with a shuttle first, for these systems and take the BS straight through. Maybe fit all nanos in the lows to help you enter warp.
It is only faction navy not concord who attack
This is just an idea, i havent tested it
OR - stick to ratting for a little bit longer which will do 2 things, a) give you enough cash to own 3BS, 1 in each area and b)get you to -1.9 status where you can go anywhere again
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2006.05.03 23:25:00 -
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Contacts?
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.05.03 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Hunters Presence on 03/05/2006 23:33:27
Originally by: Neon Genesis
Contacts?
Contact: A person who is in a position to give you special assistance; "he used his business contacts to get an introduction to the governor"
I think that's what your post was about...
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-2.5 means only 1.0 and 0.9 are off limits right maybe 0.8 i cant remember
make instas with a shuttle first, for these systems and take the BS straight through. Maybe fit all nanos in the lows to help you enter warp.
It is only faction navy not concord who attack
This is just an idea, i havent tested it
OR - stick to ratting for a little bit longer which will do 2 things, a) give you enough cash to own 3BS, 1 in each area and b)get you to -1.9 status where you can go anywhere again
Ah, you've just given me an idea!
I could own three BS' one for each system, but were one destroyed (as happens all the time in alliance gank fleet battles) I'd then have to repeat the whole dreaded process. However, if used my hauling alt to horde a ton of commonly used fittings and deliver them as required... I could probably cut the time down to like twenty minutes... which is fine. All I'd have to get with my main would be the ship that I needed at the time.
I think that may have *****ed it =] Thank you muchly.
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Giant Haystacks
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Posted - 2006.05.03 23:28:00 -
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Maps
These should be useful for planning routes, far clearer than the ingame map. As for getting ships at your destination, places you go regularly you can use courier missions to get a stock of ships laid in, other places try to get the aliiance your fighting with to either sell you a ship or fly one down.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.05.04 00:14:00 -
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If you don't intend to lose sec status regularly, the best way is to grind it up to -1.9, which is best done in 0.0 and preferably somewhere deep inside friendly territory. If you can have that access, it won't take all that long. Best case scenario would of course be if you had a jumpclone and a ship ready to npc in in some convenient 0.0 hole.
Another option is to train or buy an alt that can fly your apoc. It might even be doable on a trial account (and then you only need to transfer the char to your main account).
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.05.04 00:32:00 -
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I think the main problem here is actually that you are getting ganked while ratting. How is this happening? I assume you are in 0.0, in which case it should be impossible. Just watch local and if an enemy (or anybody) enters, insta dock or safe spot for awhile.
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Atlas Oracle
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Posted - 2006.05.04 00:43:00 -
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stop being a pirate
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.05.04 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Hunters Presence on 04/05/2006 00:50:11
Originally by: Necrologic
I think the main problem here is actually that you are getting ganked while ratting. How is this happening? I assume you are in 0.0, in which case it should be impossible. Just watch local and if an enemy (or anybody) enters, insta dock or safe spot for awhile.
I'm in lowsec. Problem is, if I do jump to safe spots. I could be sat there bouncing about for ages (like the entire day). I can't get to the 0.0 space where I would be safe very easily because the only nearby route is perma-camped by enemy corps. If I had access to a hub I could of course just go round the back, however that's obviously not an option.
It's a strange little situation isn't it?
Hopefully, ideally, in an ideal, perfect world I'll be able to find a hole in their defenses (sufficient that I can call in a few mates to help me through) but it hasn't happened any time I've been on recently.
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stop being a pirate
Haha, yes, I think I may have to. I might make a living out of sneaking up on nearby gate campers instead, just for irony.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.05.04 00:53:00 -
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It should still be just about impossible to get caught in a belt unless they have cov ops as long as you are always aligned, use longer range weapons so you arn't near the warp in point, keep an eye on local, or even fit some stabs.
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.05.04 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
It should still be just about impossible to get caught in a belt unless they have cov ops as long as you are always aligned, use longer range weapons so you arn't near the warp in point, keep an eye on local, or even fit some stabs.
It's not so much the getting caught in belts, it's the being stuck in dock afterwards as they stay in the system for hours.
Which would be alright as I could call in support, if they didn't roam in HAC/BS blobs. I just can't call in enough personal favours to get me out of that situation, which I why I chose to stand and fight rather than flee if they're anti pirates. If I were to dock they'd all just sit outside and I'd have to pull out a good novel ^^
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xeom
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Posted - 2006.05.04 01:28:00 -
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From what ive heard you only gain sec status from the highest kill every 10 minutes.So i would suggest a interceptor.You would be able to get past alliance gate camps,and the trip would be much shorter.Downside is you wouldnt be able to fight anything that uses missles.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.04 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 04/05/2006 01:42:45
Originally by: Hunters Presence
(PS. Someone with 9.3 security status just blew me up with a HAC gank squad, how does that work? If they're anti pirate they should lose sec for ganking people, not gain it?)
You do lose sec status for attacking people in low sec unless the target is <= -5.0 sec (I think). I have never heard of anyone gaining sec killing players but when I was in the Electus Matari grinding off the sec hits was a constant problem for the really sucessful pirate hunters. On the contrary I think anti-pirates should gain sec for killing outlaws or at the very least not take a sec hit. I try to let the other guy fire first just to avoid a sec hit.
With regard to your question, instead of using a freight alt why not use a BS alt? Easier to train up and you don't need a freighter. They fly your BS with all it's mods in the hold through high sec and you either clone jump or follow in your pod.
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Yes I scan read the thread first time. Only scrolling back did I notice Jin Entres had suggested the exact same thing. My bad.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.05.04 02:53:00 -
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sell the bs and expensive mods while you get your sec status above -2.0 using an intie or cruiser somewhere else than where you're being camped?
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Plures Nex
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Posted - 2006.05.04 02:55:00 -
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How about making a shopping alt?
All you need is an alt with enough points in spaceship command skills to fly the battleship. Use a shuttle to get them to a hub close to your destination, purchase everything you need, load the modules into the cargo of your battleship, fly the ship to a suitable pickup point for your main. Might be worth training to use nanos/ab if it's more than a few jumps.
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WildAmishRose
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Posted - 2006.05.04 03:25:00 -
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To the OP, I noticed you said that you're always joining groups to go do other things, why not ask some of your friends to come out NPCing with you?
I spent about three weeks recovering from -3.7, until on the last week, I finally just asked for help from my corp, and friends in game, I had my sec back up to liveable levels in no time. A solid day or two will probobly get you nearly, if not the whole way positive.
It's safer, you're with people you can trust, and making money. Plus, even if you're pirates, a good bit of NPCing is still fun and profitable, and if you DO end up getting jumped at by a gank squad, at least you've got a few friends to help escape.
Worst case, you get stuck in a system temporarily, have to safe spot a lot for a while, and you can move on to the next system.
When in doubt, you should always be able to ask your friends for help, relocate to another region temporarily, and get it done.
Good luck, it sucks to see the fun sucked out of the game for someone because of travel restrictions, hope you get it solved!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.05.04 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 04/05/2006 03:59:59
I'd suggest fixing your sec rating in a complex, like 6/10 sansha, rather hard for people to catch you when you're already well into one. And the sec boosts are great.
You could also just go NPC somewhere far from where your enemies are, maybe with some wcs.
For moving ships Xinity is great.
She even shops for me for a reasonable fee (and then moves it where I want it) :)
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Lygos
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Posted - 2006.05.04 04:27:00 -
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The name of the game is organization. It's the most difficult yet also the most rewarding thing your can possibly do.
Of course, having your own network is better than being solo. This doesn't mean go out and join a corp or recruit so you can have hauler slaves. Not at all. The more people with whom you are networked, the more valuable a customer you are to professional haulers, or rather, a consortium of professional haulers. This allows your network to collaborate on the specific function they are tailored for and to which they are dedicated, dependable, and hirable.
They are out there. You'll have to speak up if you want to be heard though.
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FragSyndrome
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Posted - 2006.05.04 05:30:00 -
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This is so simple.... it really is.
You're trying to raise your sec status right? So you have to kill a BS every 10 minutes?
(1) MOVE - if that ratting location isn't working for you, wtf are you still there for?
(2) INSTAS - you don't go to .0 without instas unless you have a death wish
(3) Use a smaller, faster, more agile, and less expensive ship = battlecruiser
(4) Stash spot - stash a few ships on the edge of .0, when you need another one it'll be quick to grab it.
(5) Milk the BS's = find a dual bs spawn, kill one - then get the other BS to structure and wait 10 min from the time the other bs blew up - when the sec raise registers, finish off the other one, rinse and repeat.
Really though... do yourself a favor and move. I was pirating and am also trying to raise my sec status right now - it really wasn't that hard to find a nice ratting spot in syndicate where I'm not getting chased by gank squads. Infact it's pretty nice there. If you want to be on friendly terms with the locals try talking to them, most people like that...
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