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Klyith
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2014.03.28 22:33:00 -
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I have one, single, very important question for CCP:
Did Sohkar, the victim of the harassment, file a petition about being harassed, either recently or back x months ago when it happened?
I know you never answer questions about petitions, but it's kinda important to know if the standard for policing out of game harassment is now "some busybody unrelated to either party can bring a thing to CCP's attention"?
Could I get a spy into PL, hang out on their comms until the next time Grath explodes in rage and berates some other dude, then send that recording to the harassment department? Grath has a well-know prior history of this thing! Can I go and find the Plungerhead pics and send those in to the good manners police? Can I get on comms with DHD and record him saying the N-word a lot and petition? Could someone else record MY trash talking and use it against me?
This isn't a case of wanting to know where the line is so I can edge up to it. I want to know if harassment is defined by the involved people or what RIPARD TEG and a FORUM THREADNAUGHT want to make an issue out of. |
Klyith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.28 22:53:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Klyith wrote:I have one, single, very important question for CCP:
Did Sohkar, the victim of the harassment, file a petition about being harassed, either recently or back x months ago when it happened?
I know you never answer questions about petitions, but it's kinda important to know if the standard for policing out of game harassment is now "some busybody unrelated to either party can bring a thing to CCP's attention"?
Could I get a spy into PL, hang out on their comms until the next time Grath explodes in rage and berates some other dude, then send that recording to the harassment department? Grath has a well-know prior history of this thing! Can I go and find the Plungerhead pics and send those in to the good manners police? Can I get on comms with DHD and record him saying the N-word a lot and petition? Could someone else record MY trash talking and use it against me?
This isn't a case of wanting to know where the line is so I can edge up to it. I want to know if harassment is defined by the involved people or what RIPARD TEG and a FORUM THREADNAUGHT want to make an issue out of. Did the Wiz report The Mittani? If he didn't then I guess using your logic CCP should of not banned The Mittani.
Mittani's action was in a CCP venue where CCP had direct evidence of the problem.
Erotica1's harassment was on a separate service that has to be brought to CCP's attention for them to know about it. I only want to know if the standard is now that 3rd-party reporting of out-of-game violations is sufficient for action.
(Also he probably had petitioned Mittani before that and been rejected. The whole story behind The Wiz was that he got scammed and then sent a lot of mails to people in GF about killing himself because of it. Mittens and other people had reposted those mails for mockery, which likely led to distributed harassment from lots of people in GSF. Should he have been banned months before the drunken fanfest outrage?)
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Klyith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:51:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
I honestly believe there was never any intent on The Mittani's part for theWiz to actually commit suicide and the ban he received was fair.
E1's actions however were premeditated. His single goal was not the scam itself but to cause as much humiliation as he could
I don't care whether or not Mittens' or Erotica's bans are "fair". I don't care if either was premeditated or caused by jajerbombs. I don't care if humiliation or suicide was intended or not.
I would be ok with CCP banning Erotica1 even if Sohkar didn't petition, if the reason they gave was just that he was detrimental to the game and they were using the "we reserve the right to ban at any time even if you didn't violate TOS" clause. They can do that. Banned for being an a--hole and pain in their neck is a thing, and if I suspected that I caused CCP more expense in GM time than I paid in subscriptions I wouldn't be surprised if CCP said I wasn't welcome.
But given that this announcement is not just about Erotica1, I strongly care about whether
CCP wrote:clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment
can be interpreted without a claim of harassment by a presumptive victim. A denial by that person that they felt harassed makes it difficult! |
Klyith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.29 02:45:00 -
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The only torture happening is the tortured metaphors ITT. |
Klyith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.29 02:56:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
If it's just pixels, then give me all of your pixels. If you won't then clearly they aren't "just pixels".
Sure thing. Come to my TS and sing me some songs. |
Klyith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:22:00 -
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Sohkar has not been banned, at least not of last night when he was on Eve Radio having a discussion with Erotica1 and others.
edit: twitch.tv/everadiolive
In that interview he in fact said that he maybe deserved a ban as well because of the things he said in the recording. |
Klyith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:33:00 -
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Shahrokh Dariush wrote:
The amount of bullshit coming out of his mouth (Erotica 1) is amusing... He's just a nice guy trying to help people and always take their feelings into account... yeeeah..
He had 39 billion isk and was only one of a number of people operating the Bonus Room. They can afford to occasionally throw some pity isk at the guys who take it too hard. The thing was about entertainment, not money.
(And if the victim is soothed enough not to petition or complain to CCP, so much the better. There's a reason nothing happened about this for years until Ripard started a moral crusade.) |
Klyith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:49:00 -
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Ryann Padecain wrote:Last night I was ransomed and was asked to go on Teamspeak to sing a song, I felt publicly humiliated and have cried for hours and hours, who do I talk to to get these guys banned?
massively.joystiq.com |
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