Well you've already stated you're not voting under any circumstances, so, you know, whatever.

Also CCP aren't going to disband the CSM no matter how mad you get. I bet that makes you pretty mad, huh?

It looks to me like manipulating CCP into banning another player via external blog and a mad mob on the forums consisting of <0.1% of the player base is now officially part of EVE's meta game.

Yes it was.

So this unwritten rule wasn't clear and needed clarification but is still ok to use to ban people for transgressions before the clarification than?

D.

TIL : Reading the EULA is hard.

If the New Order wants to stop botting they should go move their operations out to nullsec. Oh wait, they won't because people in nullsec can actually stop them because there aren't any advantages in the system security mechanics for them to use to maintain dominance! Gee! Imagine that.

How about you use the brain you were born with and read between the lines, or better yet, assess the actual effect of the Minerbumping collective. If there wasn't a mountain of salt and sarcasm upon every wound they inflict then their "noble cause" might actually be friggin' believeable.

You are right. I may even get some miners banned for their rl death threads in the replies to the ganks. I used to not care at all about this and not petition it. I just changed this policy, because new meta.

Someone has never been to the dronelands.

So let me get a stab at this...

There were enough posts about the rules which were broken. I provided such a post myself including explantions. You (and others) just choose to ignore those posts.

Give it up. The case is already closed.

Be careful what you say. Bro. These CODE guys are not to be trifled with. They are actually Agents and they have a website and a code and a spaceship and permits. It's all so impressive.

Apparently, they have a lot of feelings too.

He won't get death threats in the future he will just get links to his tears in his thread. How emasculating...OooooooH Myyyyyyyyy!

Yes, because asking a representative of the people for clarification on an arbitrary ruling is just too much. And him trolling people is clearly what he was appointed to do right?

Without knowing where the lines are being drawn, CCP are leaving it open so they can selectively decide to ban people who have no possible way of knowing where they stand. It would be better to just ban it entirely and explicitly, since people would then know where they stand.

I give up on all you sheeple.

So we can get banned when someone has a sad, based purely off of the decision of the GM and the way the teary eyed "victim" making a strong case, and you think that's a good thing for the game?

Can someone give me a quick TL;DR of the thread please?

Okay... I'll take the "Ssieth has liked your post" notification to mean "yes". Great... moving right along then:

It's **Definition Time** XD

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/harass

Subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation

So, by that definition, anyone in this game who subjects anyone else in this game to "aggressive pressure or intimidation" is skirting the harassment portions of the EULA.

Now name something you can do in game, in an adversarial context, that doesn't fit that definition.

Go on.

I'll wait.

So in your mind, asking for a song for ransom is wrong then, right? As that's out of game? Legit question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ssieth%27s_Law



You're welcome.

Funny thing related to this, from my perspective, is that EVE's reputation as a den of antisocial evil monsters, is actually remarkably misplaced, and a result of confusing it with the levity in aggressing other players that are possible in it.

can be interpreted without a claim of harassment by a presumptive victim. A denial by that person that they felt harassed makes it difficult!

Am I going to find myself banned for some action I've forgotten about? Maybe when I made someone sing for their T2 exploration frigate out in nullsec last year? Someone unrelated to the event is going to decide that I'm evilbadfeelshatetorturebanned as a result? Or is it that only a CSM member can get someone banned like that?

let me make it simple for you. All things in moderation. By not setting iron clad rules CCP have protected the metagame and your right to extort , or blow stuff up IN-game . But again all things in moderation. Just scam them , steal from them. spy on them. hold there ship to ransom in-game in exchange for isk . Just dont torment people for hours on end , for the sole purpose of breaking them .

So when does that extend to the guy ganking the miner?

So when does that extend to the guy ganking the missioner?

So when does that extend to the guy ganking the incursion runner?

THIRTY ******* PAGES.[/b] How hard is this?!

But none of those things were against the rules.

And apparently they still aren't, unless I get on Ripard Teg's bad side.

Right, just dont publish it and youre good to go. Oh, also; brain **** your target so they wont tell on you.

Ah, the "its their game, they can break their own rules" defense.
Hey that didnt go over so well in T20 either.

Its funny that the ppl making these arguments are so cool with it. Guess when they get banned for playing the game theyll still be find lol

Right. CCP's decisions are never, EVER, changed by player reactions to their decisions.

RIGHT?

nope

Could we not all "stand up" by going after people like Erotica 1 in game? Could we not station people in trade hubs and warn newbies about the scams? Why does CCP need to ban someone who, IMHO, did not violate any existing rule? Why did CCP not ban someone who clearly did violate an existing rule? Thing that make you go hmmm.

The problem is that all fine until it isn't. You'll use your common sense and you'll be playing along all fine, then one day you'll encounter the wrong person, then without even getting the chance to find out why, you're gone. It seems to me more like the rule is "don't **** people off too much, based on the level of tolerance the random person on the other end of the game has (who you don't know), and the tolerance of the GM that receives the ticket (who you also don't know)".

So to really use common sense and avoid getting banned entirely, you realistically have to stop all songs for ransoms and the like, since there's no way to tell if you are going to get banned for it. So why don't they just say that. Just rule it out entirely and be done with it.

...and that's all fine and good until they ban you for something not clearly defined... :)

I'm not defending the way that Erotica 1was playing the game, but I am questioning CCP's reaction to it. Since Erotica1 was banned for breaking a fuzzy rule the Sokar should be banned for breaking one that was clearly defined (making a death threat).

Seriously tho, how about some arguments that make sense?

The player base was well aware of this situation before hand, there werere threads about it before.

I'm already doing 1,2,3 and either 6 or 7. The reason it's either 6 or 7 is that I dont; perform any task I think would be bannable anyway. I don't ransom for songs or anything like that. Believe it or not, I care about the game as a whole, not just specifically the parts that I play.

It even to cover the other side too. One "victim" might get his petition ignore while another sees the banhammer drop. Why should they be treated different if the circumstance are the same just because a GM is adhering to a rule that has no boundaries?

Why do you think it's so hard for CCP just to make a ruling though? Why do you want a massive grey area where people might get banned for stepping on a line that is arbitrarily chosen at the point the GM receive the petition? It's not even about which way they go with the ruling, whatever they choose I'm behind 100%, but from my point of view, they have to choose something. It's unfair not to, to both "victims" and perpetrators.

Quick question before my real post... . why do some character portraits have a RED - or BLUE + in the top right corner?

***** and giggles.

Fair enough - if you're not actually seeking anything meaningful here I thnk further interaction with you is consequently equally meaningless. Thanks for the clarification.

Are songs allowed as ransoms?
How many songs are allowed?
How many are too many?

Has Sokhar been banned too? Didn't he issue real life threats and menaces in the bonus room, didn't he call people the N-word.

I can understand why Erotica has been banned but what Sokhar did was just as bad, can anyone clarify if he has been banned as well. If so then justice has been done fairly, if not then justice is clearly one sided in this affair.

Well, this is bollocks. Erotica1 was banned?

Thank you for turning Eve into SWTOR, Ripard.

RIP the sandbox.