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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:48:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Gilbaron wrote: So, whenever vince draken runs a fleet on TeamSpeak and calls me a niggercunt I can scream cybermobbing and ask ccp to ban him? Or when progod screams for more logi, can I get the guys who don't switch banned for causing progods blood pressure to rise exponentially?
I really hope you have proof of this because that one hell of a accusation to make
The correct answer would be, go take the issue to the TS owners and/or owner of the server where the TS was hosted. That's where the issue occurred and if someone wanted to raise an issue, it should be with the owners of the platform where the breach (of society's norms and laws) occurred or directly through legal means.
Although the issue would have been connected with EvE in terms of the game being played, the breach happened elsewhere. Not CCPs issue. Despite obvious parallels and comparisons with recent decisions, we can't as a community be asking CCP to police breaches of their policies on third-party platforms. .. |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1354
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:48:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? When you pull someone out of the game for the specific reason of humiliating him while skirting the rules, you can be pretty sure that at some point he will lose emotional control. Else you are just bad at what you do. Mr Epeen  So, whenever vince draken runs a fleet on TeamSpeak and calls me a niggercunt I can scream cybermobbing and ask ccp to ban him? Or when progod screams for more logi, can I get the guys who don't switch banned for causing progods blood pressure to rise exponentially? If you were to call me a niggercunt I could already pursue legal action against you irl and you would get slapped with a fine for violation of my honor (yes, that's really how the law calls it here) and depending on circumstances I might even get you for incitement of popular hatred.
Yes, legal action in real-life can cost real money and pursuing it across borders is often impossible - but looking towards CCP as some kind of surrogate legal system is quite absurd.
If EVE players would take advantage of their legal options just once in a while there would be no need for this entire discussion as it would obvious to every player that EVE is a game that is played by real people within the confines of real-life society - and not some kind of lawless fairyland. The law doesn't care whether I hurl insults at you over a game of cards at the local pub or over a game of EVE at my computer. |

Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
61
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:48:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Kirsi Kirjasto wrote: I think the crux of the problem here is CCP is categorizing any interaction 'outside EVE' as real life.
IE, because Teamspeak isn't EVE local chat - it must be 'real life' - therefore any 'so-called' harassment there qualifies as 'real-life harassment'.
This is a serious overstep. Most people associate 'real life harrassment' with anything that involves your real-world identity. Your name, your address, your job. Getting involved with another player in a hostile way outside of the game world revolves around knowing exactly who they are and where they live.
Erotica 1 crossed no such boundaries - as players were completely anonymous and only represented by their EVE identity - real identities never came into it. As a result, nobody could walk away from a bonus room with any damage worse than a bruised ego.
Anonymity is a powerful tool - and separates the game from the real.
Devs would do well to remember that.
Which is why I keep saying, just dont use TS and youre good.
Question is, who knows? CCP stated that they 'didn't change the policy'. Yet Bonus Rooms have been going on - and public knowledge - for quite a long time. Something changed between then and now - what was it?
As far as I can tell, its just another theme-park move - CCP stepping in because someone 'got upset' and might un-sub; not because anybody is really harmed.
The kind of 'upset' they really need to be dealing with - is of the HED-GP variety. But that's hard.
Allowing a public witch-burning and banning Erotica 1 - SO much easier. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4714
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:53:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Malcanis wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? Do we need to get spais into the enemy TeamSpeak to know when to stop killing their Titans because someone started crying? I've started to think that this interpretation does not refer to legitimate in game actions. And I'll act accordingly, vis a vi multiple ganks against the same person. If you don't want to get ganked, don't be an attractive target. Simple as that. Only took 26 pages but we got there. Have a hug. Is it such a giant problem to just come right out and say that? Like I said before about "baited breath", I'm not exactly the only person here who was wondering if CCP had just created the "hissy fit shield". Because there doesn't seem to be any shortage of people who are ready and willing to scream "harassment!" if they get attacked in the game.
LOL!
Can't take yes for an answer.
You've got it bad, boyyo.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:53:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Because there doesn't seem to be any shortage of people who are ...
Playin not only EvE i learned something very common: The people that want to be the toughest ones one the battlefield, cry like little babies when their overpowered tools possibly are to be nerfed. CCP has no intent to listen to the occaisonal wrong accusation of harrasment. But if you have discoverd a weaker player and follow him to show him your superiority this is harrasment. More so if a group concentrates on a single player.
Stop acting like CCP took some lollies from you.
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virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:55:00 -
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In CCP's long history of crappy decisions, this has to be the worst :( Invisible rules/laws that people have to follow, but don't know about, and can only be outlined after the fact in the vaguest terms are the worst form of politico doublespeak Orwellian suppression. Putin is jealous.
CCP you gals and guys can be amazing, your dialogue and involvement with the community is a shining example to others, but when you choose to err you do it on a scale that few others could dream of. And you never learn. Time after time, you repeat the same mistakes over and over, never learning.
You built the greatest sandbox there has ever been, yet when you don't understand what to do, you choose to govern that same sandbox by sticking you heads in the sand and knee jerk us paying customers in the 'nads. How can people with the vision necessary to build such a sandbox be at the same time so incompetent at governing it?
CCP you are en enigma. I thank you for what you have done, but I despair at your lack of rationality.
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Stacy Knox
The CheRookies
2
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:55:00 -
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Stacy Knox wrote:Hello Malcanis
Here is my oppinion:
as many people have stated in previous posts " in a perfect world, i would choose number 2"
but here is the thing:
scamming people ingame is one thing, but taking it to a personal level is onother thing.
And CCP cannot be held responsible for things that happen out of game (however the game might be an platform for instigating them.) ... FOR EXAMPLE
What Erotica1 did repeadetly was scamming people and after having done that; getting them to humiliate themselves and even some of their family members "PERSONALLY" and even prevented them from beeing able to do their "in real lif e Jobs"
... and those are just the harmless things we know of.
There is a Movie out there called "Compliance" the movie is about a guy who calls a fast food restaurant and tells the manager that he is a police oficer ... through out the conversation he makes employees get undressed and even forces them to do sexual acts with other people ...
EvE is a game that lives because of its comunity. If people like this are part of the comminuty; is that really a community you wanna be a part of?
I should clarify my statement here, i still believe that number 2 would be the way to go.
And if eve players are as intelligent as its been said they should know how far they can go and kow the difference between rl and game; without making someones real life miserable.
There are the ones that only log in to make people miserable and don't even play the game, those should really find another amusement somewhere else, they will end up in prison someday anyways, or maybe they are doing it from out of prison already. |

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
434
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:55:00 -
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Liese Shardani wrote:
It's hard to imagine a decent, reasonable person listening to that and being okay with it happening to a friend or family member.
"Then they shouldnt be playing a lawless game like EVE"
as I said.
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |

Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
61
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:55:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:Kirsi Kirjasto wrote: Erotica 1 crossed no such boundaries - as players were completely anonymous and only represented by their EVE identity - real identities never came into it. As a result, nobody could walk away from a bonus room with any damage worse than a bruised ego.
Another one that tries hard to miss the point: The psychological pressure was real, the victim snapped and even his wife started crying. In that special case anonymity would keep erotica 1 save. The scam was done after 10 minutes, the rest is all documented by the perps themself, trapped by their own vanity. And you dare to write that erotica 1 did nothing wrong?
Psychological pressure exists when you lose ships in EVE too. Remember the soundcloud when that Revenant was bushwhacked? I heard someone 'snap' there too.
And guess what - everyone thought that was funny when the Alliance FC was ranting and raving about it.
Also - the bonus room was not 'done' after 10 minutes - as in many cases player can be convinced to pod themselves and lose millions of Skill Points. Abandoning the bonus room after assets are received forecloses the opportunity for further damage to be done.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
435
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:57:00 -
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Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Kirsi Kirjasto wrote: I think the crux of the problem here is CCP is categorizing any interaction 'outside EVE' as real life.
IE, because Teamspeak isn't EVE local chat - it must be 'real life' - therefore any 'so-called' harassment there qualifies as 'real-life harassment'.
This is a serious overstep. Most people associate 'real life harrassment' with anything that involves your real-world identity. Your name, your address, your job. Getting involved with another player in a hostile way outside of the game world revolves around knowing exactly who they are and where they live.
Erotica 1 crossed no such boundaries - as players were completely anonymous and only represented by their EVE identity - real identities never came into it. As a result, nobody could walk away from a bonus room with any damage worse than a bruised ego.
Anonymity is a powerful tool - and separates the game from the real.
Devs would do well to remember that.
Which is why I keep saying, just dont use TS and youre good. Question is, who knows? CCP stated that they 'didn't change the policy'. Yet Bonus Rooms have been going on - and public knowledge - for quite a long time. Something changed between then and now - what was it? As far as I can tell, its just another theme-park move - CCP stepping in because someone 'got upset' and might un-sub; not because anybody is really harmed. The kind of 'upset' they really need to be dealing with - is of the HED-GP variety. But that's hard. Allowing a public witch-burning and banning Erotica 1 - SO much easier.
Again, why I think someone who can write well (better than me obviously) should make a blog and every time someone has an issue and/or wants CCP's attention, they should wail and gnash to their heart's content.
That way you force CCP to do anything anyone wants. Sounds fair to me. http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2537
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:00:00 -
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The answer is 2 or this community would turn into a shitfest. Aaaaaaand relax. |

La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:01:00 -
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Kirsi Kirjasto wrote: Question is, who knows? CCP stated that they 'didn't change the policy'. Yet Bonus Rooms have been going on - and public knowledge - for quite a long time. Something changed between then and now - what was it?
simple: enough is enough! The first time done, it could taken as a joke. But institutionalizing it, goes to far.
Kirsi Kirjasto wrote: As far as I can tell, its just another theme-park move - CCP stepping in because someone 'got upset' and might un-sub; not because anybody is really harmed.
That is were you are proofen wrong: Mental Harm was done to the victim and his wife.
Kirsi Kirjasto wrote: The kind of 'upset' they really need to be dealing with - is of the HED-GP variety. But that's hard.
Allowing a public witch-burning and banning Erotica 1 - SO much easier.
Witches in Witchburning where innocent.
Erotica 1 is as guilty as it comes, proven by himself. Writing otherwise shows only that you lack the social competence to realize that.
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Carmen Electra
Scope Works
316
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:02:00 -
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My vote is for 1. Don't like to see harassment in this game at all. |

olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
69
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:05:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Liese Shardani wrote:
It's hard to imagine a decent, reasonable person listening to that and being okay with it happening to a friend or family member.
"Then they shouldnt be playing a lawless game like EVE" as I said.
No you shouldn't becplaying eve. There are some rules in eve, with regards to treatment of fellow players. There are virtually no rules with regards to treatment of content of the game short of hacking accounts or modifying the client |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4196
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:06:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Because there doesn't seem to be any shortage of people who are ...
Playin not only EvE i learned something very common: The people that want to be the toughest ones one the battlefield, cry like little babies when their overpowered tools possibly are to be nerfed. CCP has no intent to listen to the occaisonal wrong accusation of harrasment. But if you have discoverd a weaker player and follow him to show him your superiority this is harrasment. More so if a group concentrates on a single player. Stop acting like CCP took some lollies from you.
Oh, do tell. Which "overpowered tool" am I defending here? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Liese Shardani
Hedion University Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:08:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Liese Shardani wrote:
It's hard to imagine a decent, reasonable person listening to that and being okay with it happening to a friend or family member.
"Then they shouldnt be playing a lawless game like EVE" as I said. When people sign on for "lawless", I doubt most of them have in mind being a star in a cheap knockoff of the squeal like a pig scene in Deliverance.
Contrary to the complaints expressed here, I think CCP have made it pretty clear which kinds of lawlessness they think are acceptable and which things are just, you know, sick and unfun.
I find the "OMG we can't gank anybody anymore without getting banned!" complaints disingenuous at best. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4717
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:12:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? When you pull someone out of the game for the specific reason of humiliating him while skirting the rules, you can be pretty sure that at some point he will lose emotional control. Else you are just bad at what you do. Mr Epeen  ... and you have exactly one example of this happening. Or where there more examples to prove that bonus room antics cause loss of emotional control.
Plenty. But really, one is all it takes.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
359
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:13:00 -
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You give three options, and they can be summarized like this:
(1) You are a bloody wimp. Seriously, man the **** up. (2) This is the option we want you to pick. Yes, this one here <- (3) You are some sadistic bastard. Seriously, get yourself some therapy.
So I pick none of the above.
Well done CSM, good job, be proud of yourselves. Idiots. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |

Liese Shardani
Hedion University Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:13:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? When you pull someone out of the game for the specific reason of humiliating him while skirting the rules, you can be pretty sure that at some point he will lose emotional control. Else you are just bad at what you do. Mr Epeen  ... and you have exactly one example of this happening. Or where there more examples to prove that bonus room antics cause loss of emotional control. A few posts up, there are two more audios linked. I haven't Googled for more of them, but it probably wouldn't be hard to find other examples. |

olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
70
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:13:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? When you pull someone out of the game for the specific reason of humiliating him while skirting the rules, you can be pretty sure that at some point he will lose emotional control. Else you are just bad at what you do. Mr Epeen  ... and you have exactly one example of this happening. Or where there more examples to prove that bonus room antics cause loss of emotional control. Someone hasn't done his research. The scammer I question erotica1. State that was his goal . It was to break people into loosing control. To see how far they can push someone before they snap. ANd listen to the recording on jester treks blog or evenews24 and there you will find an example |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4196
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:13:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Sentamon wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? When you pull someone out of the game for the specific reason of humiliating him while skirting the rules, you can be pretty sure that at some point he will lose emotional control. Else you are just bad at what you do. Mr Epeen  ... and you have exactly one example of this happening. Or where there more examples to prove that bonus room antics cause loss of emotional control. Plenty. But really, one is all it takes. Mr Epeen 
Not according to them, no. Malcanis even said it, it was the sum total of actions taken, not the one incident. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Drone 16
Law Dogz
140
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:13:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? When you pull someone out of the game for the specific reason of humiliating him while skirting the rules, you can be pretty sure that at some point he will lose emotional control. Else you are just bad at what you do. Mr Epeen  ... and you have exactly one example of this happening. Or where there more examples to prove that bonus room antics cause loss of emotional control.
Bro, he is gone. I know...I know... you are hurting right now and you want to express that hurt you feel in a massive tear laden sperg all over the forums. Over and over and over. You need more proof..you need more time..you need more closure.
You need tissues
Guess what, no one is going to convince you, it's all too fresh. Take some time away, trust me, time heals all wounds. It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits |

Stacy Knox
The CheRookies
2
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:22:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:When I started I was awestruck.
When I heard that someone could play me on the market I was aroused.
When I heard about GSF I was mad but curious.
When I heard it was on their website I was amused.
When I heard about isk doublers that were "Legit" I was amused but indifferent.
When I heard some recordings I was less amused.
Times change, opinions change. I can stomach most stuff. Am sticking with 2.
Cheers.
Nice writing dude. I can even tell i ve had the same experiences in game. |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1581
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:24:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:
Another one that tries hard to miss the point: The psychological pressure was real, the victim snapped and even his wife started crying. In that special case anonymity would keep erotica 1 save. The scam was done after 10 minutes, the rest is all documented by the perps themself, trapped by their own vanity.
And you dare to write that erotica 1 did nothing wrong?
I'll quite happily say Ero crossed lines with the Bonus room. I found them distasteful myself, I've always been an advocate of "classy ganking and scamming".
My problem is, this whole idea of "the definition of harassment is where the victim breaks" essentially puts ToS decisions into a player's hands. As the devs state, everyone has a different breaking point, so that right there throws everything into an unlevel playing field.
Player A may be an ex-Marine Corp supersoldier snipah demo frogman, with skin thicker than an elephant. Is it fair that he put up with more BS than Player B, the sheltered trust fund liberal arts major with skin so thin a sharp glance tears it open?
It's also forcing people to become basically psychics when it comes to dealing with another player. OK, so Player X is laughing and joking along with us as we demand he sing songs and act silly for some ISK. How am I supposed to know he was just feeling pressured into acting like that, and on the inside he was falling apart?
Rulings like this actually make me less likely to jump in and participate with the community. As it is, I'm going to default consider everyone to be utterly thin-skinned and weak-willed, out of my own account preservation. Of course, the gankings will continue as they are dev sanctioned as allowable activity, but no more silly CODE shenanigans (I know, some of you are cheering now!). No more public fleets (I never know if the guy on comms will be offended by me saying "Yer fit is terribad" or "Lets go coathanger a titan") No more participation, advertising, and "community" efforts on third-party sites (I'll never know if my words are being twisted into an actionable ToS violation). No more ALOD submissions, or "OMG look at this failfit".
Flipside of that coin, I'm going to be reporting the hell out of anything *I* personally find offensive, no matter where I see it. Everyone has their breaking point, and we get to define where ours is. Rather than just sucking it up and ignoring, as per my past, my first stop will be to f12 anything and everything I feel causes me to lose emotional control. My "triggers", as Tumblr activists call them. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
438
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:26:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:
Erotica 1 is as guilty as it comes, proven by himself.
So was his "victim" as proven by himself on EVERadio last night.
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1092
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:29:00 -
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Looks like a lot of butthurt in this thread. You do remember this is CCP's game, and they can do whatever they see fit, right? And if that doesn't meet your expectations, then you can always unsubscribe. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4721
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:29:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: I'm going to be reporting the hell out of anything *I* personally find offensive, no matter where I see it.
I look forward to hearing how that works out for you. I'm not even close to hitting my max entertainment threshold on this issue yet.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
438
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:30:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? When you pull someone out of the game for the specific reason of humiliating him while skirting the rules, you can be pretty sure that at some point he will lose emotional control. Else you are just bad at what you do. Mr Epeen  ... and you have exactly one example of this happening. Or where there more examples to prove that bonus room antics cause loss of emotional control. KuroVolt wrote: If you genuinly cannot tell the difference between that and what was going on in these bonus rooms, I suggest you go take a long hard look in the mirror.
Yeah the distinction is pretty easy to see. In the bonus room you're politely asked to sing songs and read so you might or might not get things you voluntarily handed over. While in the game people show up out of the blue, blow up your ships, lock you in stations, bump you out of you bets, mock you in chat, send you nasty mail, yell at you in coms, scam your isk, and so on. All of them never asking your consent. Ingame interactions are FAR more emotional then teamspeak antics. For anyone that doesn't think gaming can cause an unhinged emotional response in unstable people, I present the most famous example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbcctWbC8Q0
http://youtu.be/HtvIYRrgZ04
Thats more famous to me. Would the rest of his group get banned in this game for causing that rant? http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Marsha Mallow
156
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:30:00 -
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Drone 16 wrote:Sig: It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits This makes me splutter helplessly every time you post. Not sure who to blame - you, me, Ero, CCP, my parents, society? :| Next I'll have a giggling fit in the supermarket looking at jars of Hellman's. fml - |

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
438
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:31:00 -
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Liese Shardani wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Liese Shardani wrote:
It's hard to imagine a decent, reasonable person listening to that and being okay with it happening to a friend or family member.
"Then they shouldnt be playing a lawless game like EVE" as I said. When people sign on for "lawless", I doubt most of them have in mind being a star in a cheap knockoff of the squeal like a pig scene in Deliverance. Contrary to the complaints expressed here, I think CCP have made it pretty clear which kinds of lawlessness they think are acceptable and which things are just, you know, sick and unfun. I find the "OMG we can't gank anybody anymore without getting banned!" complaints disingenuous at best.
no; they just want a number as to how many times is considered harassment. I dont see that as too much to ask, do you?
Desert Ice78 wrote:You give three options, and they can be summarized like this:
(1) You are a bloody wimp. Seriously, man the **** up. (2) This is the option we want you to pick. Yes, this one here <- (3) You are some sadistic bastard. Seriously, get yourself some therapy.
So I pick none of the above.
Well done CSM, good job, be proud of yourselves. Idiots.
I choose 4:) disband the CSM http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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