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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1255
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:09:00 -
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How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? Do we need to get spais into the enemy TeamSpeak to know when to stop killing their Titans because someone started crying? GRRR Goons |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
432
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:11:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? Do we need to get spais into the enemy TeamSpeak to know when to stop killing their Titans because someone started crying?
This exactly.
And when do people start turning into soccer players when they get their **** blown up?
You know the types, the ones that get brushed when walking by, throw themselves onto the ground and start screaming they got pushed to get the other guy a red card. Or in here a ban. http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4714
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:13:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control?
When you pull someone out of the game for the specific reason of humiliating him while skirting the rules, you can be pretty sure that at some point he will lose emotional control. Else you are just bad at what you do.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4193
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:14:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? Do we need to get spais into the enemy TeamSpeak to know when to stop killing their Titans because someone started crying?
I've started to think that this interpretation does not refer to legitimate in game actions.
And I'll act accordingly, vis a vi multiple ganks against the same person. If you don't want to get ganked, don't be an attractive target. Simple as that. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
432
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:14:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? When you pull someone out of the game for the specific reason of humiliating him while skirting the rules, you can be pretty sure that at some point he will lose emotional control. Else you are just bad at what you do. Mr Epeen
If you do it in local chat (IE without pulling them out of the game) its fair game then? Or in PM, or eve mail? http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
One Eyed Runner
Perkone Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:16:00 -
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o well , out of here have fun all I live in Jita so f*ck off |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
432
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:17:00 -
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One Eyed Runner wrote:o well , out of here have fun all
Can I have your stuff? http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2142
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:17:00 -
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59 2 wars and lots of blood on my hands, maybe it was and maybe it wasnt [/quote]
59 and no wars, does that make me a care-bear? This is not a signature. |
Machagon
Plate of Beans Incorporated Solar Destiny
61
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:17:00 -
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#2 and ban Erotica 1 |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1189
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:18:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I've started to think that this interpretation does not refer to legitimate in game actions.
And I'll act accordingly, vis a vi multiple ganks against the same person. If you don't want to get ganked, don't be an attractive target. Simple as that.
Just remember the flip side of that. If they take obvious efforts to avoid you and you continue to hunt the same person down (While not in a war dec against them), you've crossed the clear line into harassment.
When they talk about someone becoming upset, if you look at what Falcon said he talked about 'continuing' behaviour knowing that your harassment is causing torment. Not about doing something that got someone upset, like a lot of you are trying to use to claim the sky is falling. But deliberately manipulating someone who is upset to loose even more control. It's pretty obvious when you deliberately manipulate someone. |
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1778
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:19:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? Do we need to get spais into the enemy TeamSpeak to know when to stop killing their Titans because someone started crying?
You'll find out a month later in someones blog, then you'll get dragged through the mud in the official forums, and finally end up banned.
The CCP Bonus Room as Rippard Teg called it is his little victory post. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1019
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:22:00 -
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Goa Chai wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:They should finally make a second server. Call it "hardcore" and run it as per rule 3. It would be interesting to see which gets higher population numbers, the hardcore server, or the nanny state server. Clearly by a long margin it would be the nanny state.
A hardcore server is just people flying around killing other people who want to fight. That's lowsec.
The nanny state server would be full of people not wanting to be blown up. Many more fun targets for many more people. .. |
Kytayn
Kronos TEchnologies
226
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:23:00 -
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Option The Second |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1492
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:23:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:One Eyed Runner wrote:o well , out of here have fun all Can I have your stuff?
All I want is his sweet-lookin green Sterling Dress Shirt.... When you quit, plox contract it to me? That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1779
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:25:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Goa Chai wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:They should finally make a second server. Call it "hardcore" and run it as per rule 3. It would be interesting to see which gets higher population numbers, the hardcore server, or the nanny state server. Clearly by a long margin it would be the nanny state. A hardcore server is just people flying around killing other people who want to fight. That's lowsec. The nanny state server would be full of people not wanting to be blown up. Many more entertaining targets.
I don't think that's the question. The question is a server with CCP policing players interactions or a server with CCP completely hands off (ie no GM's to petition about other players) ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Liese Shardani
Hedion University Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:26:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I've started to think that this interpretation does not refer to legitimate in game actions.
And I'll act accordingly, vis a vi multiple ganks against the same person. If you don't want to get ganked, don't be an attractive target. Simple as that.
Just remember the flip side of that. If they take obvious efforts to avoid you and you continue to hunt the same person down (While not in a war dec against them), you've crossed the clear line into harassment. When they talk about someone becoming upset, if you look at what Falcon said he talked about 'continuing' behaviour knowing that your harassment is causing torment. Not about doing something that got someone upset, like a lot of you are trying to use to claim the sky is falling. But deliberately manipulating someone who is upset to loose even more control. It's pretty obvious when you deliberately manipulate someone. Yeah. It's common sense. If you wouldn't want this crap done to you or your kid brother or your best friend, then maybe you oughta think twice about doing it to someone else.
The guys who ran the Bonus Room admit they wanted to keep goading their marks into quitting, so that their "narrative" of it being possible to win would be preserved. No, it's not a scam, they say -- he's just a quitter who can't take a little good-natured, polite (yeah, right) abuse.
Those who think it's okay to keep after some guy for an hour or more have lost all perspective. The Sohkar incident is not the only one where they pushed someone past his breaking point, and the audio's out there for people who care to look. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1256
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:26:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? When you pull someone out of the game for the specific reason of humiliating him while skirting the rules, you can be pretty sure that at some point he will lose emotional control. Else you are just bad at what you do. Mr Epeen
So, whenever vince draken runs a fleet on TeamSpeak and calls me a niggercunt I can scream cybermobbing and ask ccp to ban him? Or when progod screams for more logi, can I get the guys who don't switch banned for causing progods blood pressure to rise exponentially?
GRRR Goons |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
433
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:28:00 -
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Quote:59 2 wars and lots of blood on my hands, maybe it was and maybe it wasnt
37 and as Ive been in game (as I was talking about game not IRL - gotta get that straight) hundreds of wars, all kinds of blood on these hands (all rat blood, Ive only ever fired at another player twice lol). http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
One Eyed Runner
Perkone Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:30:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:One Eyed Runner wrote:o well , out of here have fun all Can I have your stuff? All I want is his sweet-lookin green Sterling Dress Shirt.... When you quit, plox contract it to me?
check you contracts has 3 days to pickit up toodles I live in Jita so f*ck off |
Lucretia DeWinter
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
135
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:30:00 -
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4714
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:31:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? When you pull someone out of the game for the specific reason of humiliating him while skirting the rules, you can be pretty sure that at some point he will lose emotional control. Else you are just bad at what you do. Mr Epeen So, whenever vince draken runs a fleet on TeamSpeak and calls me a niggercunt I can scream cybermobbing and ask ccp to ban him? Or when progod screams for more logi, can I get the guys who don't switch banned for causing progods blood pressure to rise exponentially?
I feel a quote coming on.
Not too bright though - The Oracle.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
433
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:34:00 -
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Liese Shardani wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I've started to think that this interpretation does not refer to legitimate in game actions.
And I'll act accordingly, vis a vi multiple ganks against the same person. If you don't want to get ganked, don't be an attractive target. Simple as that.
Just remember the flip side of that. If they take obvious efforts to avoid you and you continue to hunt the same person down (While not in a war dec against them), you've crossed the clear line into harassment. When they talk about someone becoming upset, if you look at what Falcon said he talked about 'continuing' behaviour knowing that your harassment is causing torment. Not about doing something that got someone upset, like a lot of you are trying to use to claim the sky is falling. But deliberately manipulating someone who is upset to loose even more control. It's pretty obvious when you deliberately manipulate someone. Yeah. It's common sense. If you wouldn't want this crap done to you or your kid brother or your best friend, then maybe
they shouldnt be playing a lawless game like EVE maybe?
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4193
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:35:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I've started to think that this interpretation does not refer to legitimate in game actions.
And I'll act accordingly, vis a vi multiple ganks against the same person. If you don't want to get ganked, don't be an attractive target. Simple as that.
Just remember the flip side of that. If they take obvious efforts to avoid you and you continue to hunt the same person down (While not in a war dec against them), you've crossed the clear line into harassment.
With legitimate in game actions only? Yeah, tough luck. There's no magic number of how many times to gank someone is acceptable. And I'm not going to believe crocodile tears.
They even said it themselves, you don't get to meta the harassment rules to avoid legitimate in game activity. Something about how trying to do so wouldn't turn out well. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1547
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:35:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? When you pull someone out of the game for the specific reason of humiliating him while skirting the rules, you can be pretty sure that at some point he will lose emotional control. Else you are just bad at what you do. Mr Epeen So, whenever vince draken runs a fleet on TeamSpeak and calls me a niggercunt I can scream cybermobbing and ask ccp to ban him? Or when progod screams for more logi, can I get the guys who don't switch banned for causing progods blood pressure to rise exponentially?
If you genuinly cannot tell the difference between that and what was going on in these bonus rooms, I suggest you go take a long hard look in the mirror.
Making petty arguments like that makes it obvious that you are arguing for the sake of arguing and are not taking the discussion seriously. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
60
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:35:00 -
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I think the crux of the problem here is CCP is categorizing any interaction 'outside EVE' as real life.
IE, because Teamspeak isn't EVE local chat - it must be 'real life' - therefore any 'so-called' harassment there qualifies as 'real-life harassment'.
This is a serious overstep. Most people associate 'real life harrassment' with anything that involves your real-world identity. Your name, your address, your job. Getting involved with another player in a hostile way outside of the game world revolves around knowing exactly who they are and where they live.
Erotica 1 crossed no such boundaries - as players were completely anonymous and only represented by their EVE identity - real identities never came into it. As a result, nobody could walk away from a bonus room with any damage worse than a bruised ego.
Anonymity is a powerful tool - and separates the game from the real.
Devs would do well to remember that. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1492
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:35:00 -
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One Eyed Runner wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:One Eyed Runner wrote:o well , out of here have fun all Can I have your stuff? All I want is his sweet-lookin green Sterling Dress Shirt.... When you quit, plox contract it to me? check you contracts has 3 days to pickit up toodles
Oh my gods, he actually gave it to me. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14850
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:36:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? When you pull someone out of the game for the specific reason of humiliating him while skirting the rules, you can be pretty sure that at some point he will lose emotional control. Else you are just bad at what you do. Mr Epeen So, whenever vince draken runs a fleet on TeamSpeak and calls me a niggercunt I can scream cybermobbing and ask ccp to ban him? Or when progod screams for more logi, can I get the guys who don't switch banned for causing progods blood pressure to rise exponentially?
Congratulations on assuming that the direct opposite of what I have repeatedly clarified. It wasn't easy, it wasn't obvious, but you managed it.
Really, I'm trying hard not to agree with Mr Draken's opinion of you, but it's hard.
1 Kings 12:11
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4195
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:43:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? Do we need to get spais into the enemy TeamSpeak to know when to stop killing their Titans because someone started crying? I've started to think that this interpretation does not refer to legitimate in game actions. And I'll act accordingly, vis a vi multiple ganks against the same person. If you don't want to get ganked, don't be an attractive target. Simple as that. Only took 26 pages but we got there. Have a hug.
Is it such a giant problem to just come right out and say that? Like I said before about "baited breath", I'm not exactly the only person here who was wondering if CCP had just created the "hissy fit shield".
Because there doesn't seem to be any shortage of people who are ready and willing to scream "harassment!" if they get attacked in the game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:43:00 -
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Kirsi Kirjasto wrote: Erotica 1 crossed no such boundaries - as players were completely anonymous and only represented by their EVE identity - real identities never came into it. As a result, nobody could walk away from a bonus room with any damage worse than a bruised ego.
Another one that tries hard to miss the point: The psychological pressure was real, the victim snapped and even his wife started crying. In that special case anonymity would keep erotica 1 save. The scam was done after 10 minutes, the rest is all documented by the perps themself, trapped by their own vanity.
And you dare to write that erotica 1 did nothing wrong?
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Liese Shardani
Hedion University Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:43:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Liese Shardani wrote:Yeah. It's common sense. If you wouldn't want this crap done to you or your kid brother or your best friend, then maybe they shouldnt be playing a lawless game like EVE maybe? I'm not talking about blowing up people's ships or stealing their stuff or scamming them. Most people acknowledge that as part of EVE's lawlessness. Any friends I'd encourage to play would be well aware of what they could be in for.
Have you listened to the three audios that have been linked in GD over the last several days? There's the Sohkar audio, the Happy Miner Payout, and the Erotica 1 customer.
It's hard to imagine a decent, reasonable person listening to that and being okay with it happening to a friend or family member.
I'm embarrassed for our community that crap like this has happened to our fellow players, and I'm glad Ripard called it out and CCP banned the ringleader. |
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