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Vina
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Vina on 04/05/2006 19:41:53
With the upcoming change to AF sig radius, I think we need to have a good look at interceptors. They need a role change... from frigs that do damage to...
INTERCEPTORS!
dun dun dun.
Give them web/scram bonuses perhaps some with range, perhaps some with points/effectivness bonuses.
Give assault frigates back their killer role!
Aye if you agree!
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Hunyoo Gurglebush
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:42:00 -
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Agreed.
Make interceptors actually intercept, and maybe assault frigates will have a role again.
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:43:00 -
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aye, making them pure tacklers seems like the logic thing to do
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zoturi
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:43:00 -
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yes
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:44:00 -
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would be kinda cool. my minnie intie guy hit intie 5 a few days ago. Would be nice to have a little bit more of a perk attached to that achievement besides just small reduction in sig radius.
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:46:00 -
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works for me.
sgb
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:48:00 -
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Interceptors have been needing a redefinition and rebalance for more than a year now.
The community has been crying out for the tacklers to become tacklers instead of damage dealer wannabes.
New sig coming soonÖ
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Xoduse
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:48:00 -
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sounds good to me. maybe we would see more AFs running around...
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Fruchten
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:48:00 -
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Aye
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:49:00 -
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Yes, and maybe a bit more base speed.
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GO MaZ
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:51:00 -
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aye,scram strength or range, web range or %, or something like that - hell maybe even cap use so you can run a 20k for some sort of time 
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Lanu
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:54:00 -
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Aye
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Agent2 Holtze
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:58:00 -
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 Originally by: smallgreenblur
works for me.
sgb
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 04/05/2006 20:00:50
Interceptors, IRL AND in Eve destroy things. The oddity here is the Stilleto which needs a more aggressive role, if anything. YOur "change" is AWAY from their actual role. Wha you're thinking of are InterDICTORS.
If you "redefine" interceptors, you make them worthless trash. Because the lifespan of a tacking interceptor tends to be less than 15 seconds, and no "tackling bonus" short of a total free ECM is going to negate theior short lifespan with boosted drones, rNos and so on.
You want make it so that ceptors are not even useful as scouts - a T1 frigate would kick their ass, for a fraction of the cost.
AF's are suffering now because they're badm but because they are being squeezed in their role by Sealth Bombers (which shuld not be anti-frigate at all!) and Destroyers (a tricker problem). But they're not inherently broken in any way. THAT is why they're not used much, nothing to do with Interceptors AT ALL.
(Lost an AF 1v1 with a ceptor? AWW. AF's are not DESIGNED to be solo. 2 AF vs 2 Ceptors means dead fried ceptors!)
Thus, nerfing interceptors will NOT make AF's in any way more used. You'll have simply removed one of the coolest ship classes from common use.
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lofty29
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:01:00 -
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Agreed. Provided my taranis keeps its damage bonus for frig level 5  . IMO, make inty base sig radius that of what it would be at level 5 inty now, and add a web / scrambler bonus, like, 10% of one or 5% of both.
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Dreez
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:01:00 -
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They¦re not called Interceptors for nothing.
/Signed.
Current Location: After 2 years of waiting, getting ready for another hunt.
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:01:00 -
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No thank you.Fix the AF and that is all.
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Vina
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 04/05/2006 20:00:50
Interceptors, IRL AND in Eve destroy things. The oddity here is the Stilleto which needs a more aggressive role, if anything. YOur "change" is AWAY from their actual role. Wha you're thinking of are InterDICTORS.
If you "redefine" interceptors, you make them worthless trash. Because the lifespan of a tacking interceptor tends to be less than 15 seconds, and no "tackling bonus" short of a total free ECM is going to negate theior short lifespan with boosted drones, rNos and so on.
You want make it so that ceptors are not even useful as scouts - a T1 frigate would kick their ass, for a fraction of the cost.
AF's are suffering now because they're badm but because they are being squeezed in their role by Sealth Bombers (which shuld not be anti-frigate at all!) and Destroyers (a tricker problem). But they're not inherently broken in any way. THAT is why they're not used much, nothing to do with Interceptors AT ALL.
(Lost an AF 1v1 with a ceptor? AWW. AF's are not DESIGNED to be solo. 2 AF vs 2 Ceptors means dead fried ceptors!)
Thus, nerfing interceptors will NOT make AF's in any way more used. You'll have simply removed one of the coolest ship classes from common use.
I don't think you ever have any idea about what you're talking about when you make a post.
1. IRL doesn't mean jack in a game.
2. Lifespan of a tackling interceptors is 15 seconds? if the pilot is a RETARD maybe. I can stay alive in my claw long enough to kill a bs a lot of the time.
3. Interceptors will not be worthless trash if they get changed, they will have a ship with a proper role. giving them bonus to range increases their survivability.
4. Assault frigates currently have no role, because interceptors do nearly or more dps than them, and are extremely fast. Assault frigate suffers from being slow and vulnerable, so they are not very useful in pvp atm.
Interceptors are by far the most used frigate class. They fill 2 roles. The role of interceptors, AND the role of assault frigates.
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Porro
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:08:00 -
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What about keeping the "damage" ceptor variant and getting rid of the damage bonii on the other variant, and replacing it with a tackling bonus.
Say an ares, get rid of the thermal missile + hybrid bonus and give it a cap use bonus to disruptors, and bonus to disruptor strength(I thought that because the ares only has one mid it could be a long range single disruptor ship).
Just an idea :P
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:10:00 -
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this thread again already?
interceptors do intercept, they do it very effectively infact.
just because you always die in frig fleets tbh kayo.
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Vina
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Montero
this thread again already?
interceptors do intercept, they do it very effectively infact.
just because you always die in frig fleets tbh kayo.
what are you talking about? I survive quite well.
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Horza Otho
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:12:00 -
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that is, ofcourse, when kayo actually pvps which is like never 
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:13:00 -
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Yes, Kayo is an ass, but it has nothing to do with this thread, so get the **** out *****es..
"We brake for nobody"
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Vina
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Horza Otho
blah blah blah
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:18:00 -
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Interceptors are fine, a bit fast but otherwise okay.
AF are weak.
Boost AF.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 04/05/2006 20:22:56
Vina,
1. It means jack when YOU use it. To intercept is to DESTROY.
2. No, you and your 50 buddies don't count. You MUST enter nos range to scramble. Then drones, nos and prescision cruise missiles destroy you in moments.
3. Yes, they will. You're talking about 10 mil ships with less firepower than T1 frigates. Giving frigates a bonus to 1-2 midslots is not going to enhance their survivability in any way, just make them more of a target.
4. Inties and AF's don't have the same role. AF's, Bombers and Destroyers do. Interceptors might have a deacent damage output, but they are FAR more fragile and lack range compared.
Interceptors are used a lot because they are quick to produce, cheap and have a range of non-combat roles.
AF's are far more expensive, for small ops bombers work better for quick power ganks and destroyers are far cheaper and need fewer skills for fleet defence.
You're trying to nerf interceptors to help ships which WILL NOT EVEN BENEFIT. Sigh.
Jim Raynor, AF's are fine. Again, the problem is not and never HAS been AF's, but the ships which take huge chunks out of their role. There is NO REASON for Bombers to be anti-frigate, and something could be done with T1 destroyers.
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Dust Angel
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 04/05/2006 20:22:56
Vina,
1. It means jack when YOU use it. To intercept is to DESTROY.
2. No, you and your 50 buddies don't count. You MUST enter nos range to scramble. Then drones, nos and prescision cruise missiles destroy you in moments.
3. Yes, they will. You're talking about 10 mil ships with less firepower than T1 frigates. Giving frigates a bonus to 1-2 midslots is not going to enhance their survivability in any way, just make them more of a target.
4. Inties and AF's don't have the same role. AF's, Bombers and Destroyers do. Interceptors might have a deacent damage output, but they are FAR more fragile and lack range compared.
Interceptors are used a lot because they are quick to produce, cheap and have a range of non-combat roles.
AF's are far more expensive, for small ops bombers work better for quick power ganks and destroyers are far cheaper and need fewer skills for fleet defence.
You're trying to nerf interceptors to help ships which WILL NOT EVEN BENEFIT. Sigh.
Jim Raynor, AF's are fine. Again, the problem is not and never HAS been AF's, but the ships which take huge chunks out of their role. There is NO REASON for Bombers to be anti-frigate, and something could be done with T1 destroyers.
I always enter nos range, but never below 10km. if you do this, you rarely die.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:27:00 -
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ah the old quarrel of "OMG SOMEOME GIVE TACKLING BONUS TO INTECERPTORS" and the counter-argument "OMG THEY ARE FINE! BOOST/NERF SMTH ELSE!"
honestly, I've been there, done that, and maya knows it well. She has a point, but kayo has a point too.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:29:00 -
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Tbh, till AFs are as fat as they are, they are worth sh1t. And look at retri, it destroys stuff that gets in range... oh wait... We have range on them, but so what... if it cannot scramble it cannot kill.
Best example of this is claw/crusader vs crow/taranis price. And it is not that crow/taranises are better, just the other two cannot web and scramble at same time, hence they aren't idiot proof.
Untill game mechanics is changed into something that warp away != safe, till then ppl will be clicking warp button as soon something locks them.
I'd happily give all inty bonuses away if they would be given follow in warp option.
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cytomatrix
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 04/05/2006 20:00:50
AF's are suffering now because they're badm but because they are being squeezed in their role by Sealth Bombers (which shuld not be anti-frigate at all!) and Destroyers (a tricker problem). But they're not inherently broken in any way. THAT is why they're not used much, nothing to do with Interceptors AT ALL.
If you ever say anything about Stealth bombers again, I am gonna beat the **** out of you with an Icelandic frozen bannana.
There is nothing wrong with AFs now. Most of the people are using AFs. Nobody is using Stealth bombers. So stop whining about stealth bombers.
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