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Deablo Paco Flatulaction The Magnificent Bastards 2	Posted - 2014.03.31 03:33:00 - [1] - Quote I have been through quite a few systems recently where there are "dead" (offline/ inactive) Control towers. I have great use for control towers and talked with a few other people who agree that there should be a game mechanic where if a Control tower has been offline/ inactive for a certain amount of time. Anyone should just be able to come and unanchor and take it. honestly if that tower is of no use to you to the point you completely forget it is there and just let it die, let someone who could have a lot more use for it use it.. If it is one of those things like " oh we still want to use it but don't have money for the fuel at the moment or blah blah blah." then just take it down your selves and keep stored away till you have the funds for it. again this is just thought and it would be amazing if it got supported. help clean up our moons. take down dead POS's!! I do look forward to, and welcome all comments.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 4194	Posted - 2014.03.31 03:48:00 - [2] - Quote 1) Wardec corp that owns POS 2) Blow up POS 3) Install your POS 4) Profit! Alternatively (like most things in EVE) you can pay someone to do 1-2 for you. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
masternerdguy State Protectorate Caldari State 1536	Posted - 2014.03.31 04:03:00 - [3] - Quote All you need is a war dec and some high dps battleships. Things are only impossible until they are not.
I Love Boobies All Hail Boobies 1094	Posted - 2014.03.31 04:04:00 - [4] - Quote I have a better idea... they should "decay", and if they're offline for a certain period of time, let's say 45 or 60 days, you can access them and use them yourself, all you have to do is put fuel in, and it's yours. It automatically changes corps and so on. That would be cool, eh?
masternerdguy State Protectorate Caldari State 1536	Posted - 2014.03.31 04:05:00 - [5] - Quote I Love Boobies wrote: I have a better idea... they should "decay", and if they're offline for a certain period of time, let's say 45 or 60 days, you can access them and use them yourself, all you have to do is put fuel in, and it's yours. It automatically changes corps and so on. That would be cool, eh? No, because if you really want that moon you should have to take it. It isn't hard to wardec someone and then bring in some high dps battleships (torp ravens work great) and grind it down. Remember this tower is offline and undefended. Things are only impossible until they are not.
WouldYouEver HaveSexWith aGoat Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2014.03.31 04:34:00 - [6] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: I Love Boobies wrote: I have a better idea... they should "decay", and if they're offline for a certain period of time, let's say 45 or 60 days, you can access them and use them yourself, all you have to do is put fuel in, and it's yours. It automatically changes corps and so on. That would be cool, eh? No, because if you really want that moon you should have to take it. It isn't hard to wardec someone and then bring in some high dps battleships (torp ravens work great) and grind it down. Remember this tower is offline and undefended. Why would CONCORD be defending an abandoned tower though? Why would we be paying them to let us attack an entity that doesn't have a current presence in New Eden? It's not very logical considering we can attack Interbus assets now...
masternerdguy State Protectorate Caldari State 1536	Posted - 2014.03.31 04:37:00 - [7] - Quote WouldYouEver HaveSexWith aGoat wrote: masternerdguy wrote: I Love Boobies wrote: I have a better idea... they should "decay", and if they're offline for a certain period of time, let's say 45 or 60 days, you can access them and use them yourself, all you have to do is put fuel in, and it's yours. It automatically changes corps and so on. That would be cool, eh? No, because if you really want that moon you should have to take it. It isn't hard to wardec someone and then bring in some high dps battleships (torp ravens work great) and grind it down. Remember this tower is offline and undefended. Why would CONCORD be defending an abandoned tower though? Why would we be paying them to let us attack an entity that doesn't have a current presence in New Eden? It's not very logical considering we can attack Interbus assets now... You can also attack navy ships with no CONCORD intervention as well as empire hauling NPCs. Attacking an NPC never leads to CONCORD intervention as far as I know, unless you attack an actual CONCORD ship (not the DED ones in the pirate missions). However, that POS is not owned by an NPC. It is owned by a player. Therefore it falls in war-dec territory. Things are only impossible until they are not.
Felicity Love STARKRAFT 1643	Posted - 2014.03.31 05:10:00 - [8] - Quote 30 day decay... fuel it or lose it. Especially the faction towers --- you'd think people would put more value on those, and take them home, but noooooooooooo....... ... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
Deablo Paco Flatulaction The Magnificent Bastards 2	Posted - 2014.03.31 06:23:00 - [9] - Quote I have killed plenty of pos's my thing is I want to be able to take it. like take it and use it my self or take it and sell it
Deablo Paco Flatulaction The Magnificent Bastards 2	Posted - 2014.03.31 06:25:00 - [10] - Quote also im talking on a level like in high sec so the moon really doesn't matter I just pos's lol
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 869	Posted - 2014.03.31 06:32:00 - [11] - Quote People leave the high sec POSs there unfuelled because sometimes getting their corp standings up high enough to anchor them can be difficult without lots of people leaving and joining their corp.
Beekeeper Bob Beekeepers Anonymous 1143	Posted - 2014.03.31 06:36:00 - [12] - Quote What I heard.... "I want easy mode" CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....."
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1405	Posted - 2014.03.31 06:41:00 - [13] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: I Love Boobies wrote: I have a better idea... they should "decay", and if they're offline for a certain period of time, let's say 45 or 60 days, you can access them and use them yourself, all you have to do is put fuel in, and it's yours. It automatically changes corps and so on. That would be cool, eh? No, because if you really want that moon you should have to take it. i have better idea: if your tower is ran out of fuel you should get temporal ban. Because if you really want that moon you SHOULD HAVE take it. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2850	Posted - 2014.03.31 07:11:00 - [14] - Quote I think if I find someones ship in space and its not moving I should be allowed to have it And if I find a pod in it, I should be allowed to take them as a slave to use as I see fit And if they complain, then I agree with March rabbit, they should be banned With electrodes * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
hedge betts Shiyurida State Protectorate Caldari State 200	Posted - 2014.03.31 07:20:00 - [15] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: What I heard.... "I want easy mode" You should clean out your ears because what the op was suggesting was the addition of game content. But like so many Eve players you are probably an OCD cant deal with change kind of guy Pog mo thoin
Silvetica Dian Manson Family Advent of Fate 889	Posted - 2014.03.31 09:11:00 - [16] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: All you need is a war dec and some high dps battleships. You misspelled oracles. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Dring Dingle Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement 130	Posted - 2014.03.31 09:58:00 - [17] - Quote Simple, make shooting an OFFLINE pos just a suspect act. just like the new pocos.... But this is wishfull thinking... because that would mean ccp has to actually look at pos code. And we all know that gives them nightmares. o7
Salvos Rhoska 933	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:13:00 - [18] - Quote Dring Dingle wrote: Simple, make shooting an OFFLINE pos just a suspect act. just like the new pocos.... Seconded. High-sec needs mechanics to keep these resources in active circulation. Use it, or lose it. ------------
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2864	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:16:00 - [19] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Dring Dingle wrote: Simple, make shooting an OFFLINE pos just a suspect act. just like the new pocos.... Seconded. High-sec needs mechanics to keep these resources in active circulation. Use it, or lose it. I agree this could be a good solution. * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2964	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:55:00 - [20] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Dring Dingle wrote: Simple, make shooting an OFFLINE pos just a suspect act. just like the new pocos.... Seconded. High-sec needs mechanics to keep these resources in active circulation. Use it, or lose it. I agree this could be a good solution. For there to be a solution, one first needs a problem. There is no problem. If the moon is abandoned, someone will take it off as and when they want it. The only reason there are offline POSes is because there isn't enough demand (in that location) to make it worthwhile. Though I guess if you all want to go suspect instead of keeping concord on your side and AFKing it in an oracle or two, go ahead. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930
Drakast Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:02:00 - [21] - Quote Deablo Paco wrote: I have been through quite a few systems recently where there are "dead" (offline/ inactive) Control towers. I have great use for control towers and talked with a few other people who agree that there should be a game mechanic where if a Control tower has been offline/ inactive for a certain amount of time. Anyone should just be able to come and unanchor and take it. honestly if that tower is of no use to you to the point you completely forget it is there and just let it die, let someone who could have a lot more use for it use it.. If it is one of those things like " oh we still want to use it but don't have money for the fuel at the moment or blah blah blah." then just take it down your selves and keep stored away till you have the funds for it. again this is just thought and it would be amazing if it got supported. help clean up our moons. take down dead POS's!! I do look forward to, and welcome all comments. no. terrible idea. forget about it.
Pak Narhoo Splinter Foundation 1402	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:02:00 - [22] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: 1) Wardec corp that owns POS 2) Blow up POS 3) Install your POS 4) Profit! Alternatively (like most things in EVE) you can pay someone to do 1-2 for you. ^ That, works perfectly! Is the way I lost mine (faction tower for crying out loud).
Drakast Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:03:00 - [23] - Quote I Love Boobies wrote: I have a better idea... they should "decay", and if they're offline for a certain period of time, let's say 45 or 60 days, you can access them and use them yourself, all you have to do is put fuel in, and it's yours. It automatically changes corps and so on. That would be cool, eh? although its a better idea than the OP its still a terrible idea. wheres the unlike button?
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2869	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:04:00 - [24] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: For there to be a solution, one first needs a problem. There is no problem. If the moon is abandoned, someone will take it off as and when they want it. The only reason there are offline POSes is because there isn't enough demand (in that location) to make it worthwhile. Though I guess if you all want to go suspect instead of keeping concord on your side and AFKing it in an oracle or two, go ahead. Well its pain to WD a dead corp to remove a derelict I dont have to wardec the family of the original owner of a derelic shop in a city to buy the plot from the council * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2970	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:06:00 - [25] - Quote First off, wardec mechanics exist for this very reason. An offline POS is not automatically an abandoned POS. I have alts with POSes in high sec, and often they can go weeks at a time shut down to save fuel when I don't need them. Wardec them and my main gets a nice notification and I swoop in to save the day (or more accurately, I contact some people I know that like murdering people and they swoop in to save the day). You shouldn't just get to freely blap someone else's stuff in highsec just because you don't want it there and can't be bothered to try either negotiating or fighting for it. Secondly, a suspect flag would be quite amusing. A bunch of DPS heavy battleships shooting a POS for ages with a suspect timer? Talk about handing out kills. Most people would simply pay the cheap ass 50m wardec fee just so they could AFK their battleships during the shoot and not worry about everyone in the region coming to kill them. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2869	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:42:00 - [26] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: First off, wardec mechanics exist for this very reason. An offline POS is not automatically an abandoned POS. True, but what about the ones that are? And what about exploiting the system in places other than highsec simply as a "towel on a sunlounger"? Im not trying to start an argument here, Id like to know your opinion on the second, and the first just bugs me. Lucas Kell wrote: Secondly, a suspect flag would be quite amusing. A bunch of DPS heavy battleships shooting a POS for ages with a suspect timer? Talk about handing out kills. Exactly That would be Hilarious * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
Salvos Rhoska 937	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:56:00 - [27] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: I have alts with POSes in high sec, and often they can go weeks at a time shut down to save fuel when I don't need them. Wardec them and my main gets a nice notification and I swoop in to save the day (or more accurately, I contact some people I know that like murdering people and they swoop in to save the day). Exactly the problem. What the hell are you doing with unfueled POS for weeks on end in high-sec? Use em or lose em. ------------
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2970	Posted - 2014.03.31 12:11:00 - [28] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: True, but what about the ones that are? And what about exploiting the system in places other than highsec simply as a "towel on a sunlounger"? Im not trying to start an argument here, Id like to know your opinion on the second, and the first just bugs me. My opinion is that there is already a method to get rid of them. Someone put the effort, time and isk into setting up their POS, and you need to spend effort time and isk to remove it. It really doesn't matter the degree to which they use it. Ramona McCandless wrote: Exactly That would be Hilarious Except they'd then be back here again complaining that suspect timers are mean as they mean anyone can kill them, and it should just be a limited engagement with the owning corp or something. It's the foot in the door effect. Salvos Rhoska wrote: Exactly the problem. What the hell are you doing with unfueled POS for weeks on end in high-sec? Use em or lose em. Then take it from me, the mechanics are there to do so. Why should you be handed stuff for free just because your too lazy to spend the 50m isk and the time it takes to destroy a POS? Why should what I want to do be removed simply because you disagree with it? People like you want to be handed everything for free like some kind of benefits system. Take action and do things for yourself, and if you're too lazy to do that then lose out. It's that simple. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Setsune Rin Collapsed Out Shadow Cartel 199	Posted - 2014.03.31 12:43:00 - [29] - Quote all of these changes require touching the POS code aka not going to happen...ever....
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2874	Posted - 2014.03.31 12:48:00 - [30] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: True, but what about the ones that are? And what about exploiting the system in places other than highsec simply as a "towel on a sunlounger"? Im not trying to start an argument here, Id like to know your opinion on the second, and the first just bugs me. My opinion is that there is already a method to get rid of them. Someone put the effort, time and isk into setting up their POS, and you need to spend effort time and isk to remove it. It really doesn't matter the degree to which they use it. Then I would like an item that is a POS tower filled with concrete like a bollard that I can start deploying all over just to block everyone's use of moons I think are pretty :) * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx

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