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Scagga Laebetrovo	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:05:00 - [1] All the talk I see in the forums may one day mature to actual action hehe. I brainstormed a few ideas as to how a smaller alliance / merc corp could take on the behemoth. Guerilla warfare? Hell it worked in vietnam, and isn't so expensive. Roaming around delve killing one ship here, a couple there. The effect isn't so much to cause huge losses, but disrupt the whole area, mining, rating , production etc. Hit and run can make huge areas unsafe and tie down large forces, making bob weaker on its fronts so an oppurtunistic neighbour can strike with full force. Any other ideas?
Maule	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:09:00 - [2] what you will need is a few good fc¦s, dedication, numbers and a good indrustri back home to finance it. and if you ever want a chance to remove bob from delve you¦ll need a big capital fleet..
Wuubaa	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:10:00 - [3] Ninja mine all our veldspar....we'll crumble.
Scagga Laebetrovo	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:12:00 - [4] Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 05/05/2006 10:14:35 Originally by: Maule what you will need is a few good fc¦s, dedication, numbers and a good indrustri back home to finance it. and if you ever want a chance to remove bob from delve you¦ll need a big capital fleet.. Yes you will need a capital fleet. However, before you send that in, if 1/5 of the bob fleet is occupied with the guerillas taking on bob ops deep in their 'home' space, that capital fleet has a much stronger chance of success. Combined operations is key eh? Edit : Of course, infiltrating bob is extremely helpful as well :)
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:27:00 - [5] What makes you think that bob will crumble because of a handfull of pilots doing abit of guerilla warfare tactics in their space? Btw, im not Anti-bob OR Bob-fanboi. Spirits in the night! Allll Niiight!!
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:29:00 - [6] duck and hide nice mode ON/off Naughty - don't discuss moderation on the forums! - Cathath
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:29:00 - [7] Isn't something called the Vertigo Coalition already proving that Gorillas can't make Bob cry? ~Shadowlord Don't miss your chance to buy Sobe
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 05/05/2006 10:14:35 Originally by: Maule what you will need is a few good fc¦s, dedication, numbers and a good indrustri back home to finance it. and if you ever want a chance to remove bob from delve you¦ll need a big capital fleet.. Yes you will need a capital fleet. However, before you send that in, if 1/5 of the bob fleet is occupied with the guerillas taking on bob ops deep in their 'home' space, that capital fleet has a much stronger chance of success. Combined operations is key eh? Edit : Of course, infiltrating bob is extremely helpful as well :) 1/5 of the bob fleet?.. lol? If someone is bothering their npc'ers/miners, they'll just head for their pos's/stations/outposts where you can't do a rats ass about them, just like every other alliance would do. And if you hang around too long, a fleet will drop by and roast you're ass. Spirits in the night! Allll Niiight!!
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:36:00 - [9] you could post us lots of beer/wine/spirits?
DaveyE	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo All the talk I see in the forums may one day mature to actual action hehe. I brainstormed a few ideas as to how a smaller alliance / merc corp could take on the behemoth. Guerilla warfare? Hell it worked in vietnam, and isn't so expensive. Roaming around delve killing one ship here, a couple there. The effect isn't so much to cause huge losses, but disrupt the whole area, mining, rating , production etc. Hit and run can make huge areas unsafe and tie down large forces, making bob weaker on its fronts so an oppurtunistic neighbour can strike with full force. Any other ideas? RUN

Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:46:00 - [11] You have to bribe them with cookies. Cookies and cake. And brownies. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:49:00 - [12] Edited by: Seleene on 05/05/2006 10:49:38 ASCN and D2 need to make up and be nice. SA and Huzzah and FIX need to quit shooting at each other. LV needs to quit mining. They all need to sit at a big round table and say, "Hey, Robert is going to kill us all. We should kill him first. Jihad, dirka dirka!" Then they do something rather amazingly odd - they actualy invade Delve and they fight until, oh.. I dunno... DB Preacher comes onto the forums and says they are beaten? There. Plan made. - History of the MC movie!
Naphtalia	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Seleene DB Preacher comes onto the forums and says they are beaten? Nah we all know that never happens, DBP will come to the forums and state that they are relocating somewhere else, that it was already planned and had nothing to do with the invasion.
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Naphtalia Originally by: Seleene DB Preacher comes onto the forums and says they are beaten? Nah we all know that never happens, DBP will come to the forums and state that they are relocating somewhere else, that it was already planned and had nothing to do with the invasion. Well, I was going to say "Blacklight quits drinking." but I figured I'd go for soemthing more realistic. - History of the MC movie!
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.05.05 11:00:00 - [15] Blob their system and take their outpost. "We brake for nobody"
darth solo	Posted - 2006.05.05 11:02:00 - [16] The only way to beat PVPers is to not give them PVP. Wouldnt it be ironic if after all the talk about taking BOB on, actually not taking them on was the only true tactic?. boredom is a very powerfull weapon. d solo. not everyone has what it takes to be a member of celes, do you?. join here.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.05.05 11:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Blob their system and take their outpost. Do you actually want to do that? I mean is winning what its really about or wouldn't you rather have a good old prolonged war, not too dissimilar to CA/SA. Is it really that important to take their space? Far too many people have taken this whos map control thing way too seriously. Just fight.
Tadis	Posted - 2006.05.05 11:05:00 - [18] Internal dispute. The most realistic defeat of BoB will depend on themselves, not others. The only likely way of defeating BoB would be if alliances banded together (ASCN, D2, Huzzah, SA, Fix etc) and conducted a dedicated camp on BoB territory, crippling them from the inside, rather than just blobbing their fleets. Somehow I dont think its gonna happen, so its safe to say Blacklight can continue drinking for the forseeable future :) ___________________________________ PvP *****. Send me a mail In-game for access to Alumni NRG Recruiting
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.05.05 11:06:00 - [19] mass mass mass! ---------------- Official -V- Forum CarebearÖ. I mine on forums. RecruitMe@NOINT!
Manic Mole	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:08:00 - [20] bring a massive gank fleet to bob space kill one of them and then spam the fourms about how your alliacne/corp/swarm of nubs are the uber pvp kings of eve and then run away and dwindle back into there well deserved nobody status. oh wait you mean beat bob? probaly if eveyone got together like in a similar way when they took down that trust outpost it would work but that's not going to happen anytime soon. Join My Corp. my posts do not represent my corp.

Crucifier	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:10:00 - [21] Originally by: darth solo The only way to beat PVPers is to not give them PVP. Wouldnt it be ironic if after all the talk about taking BOB on, actually not taking them on was the only true tactic?. boredom is a very powerfull weapon. d solo. This man is my god now. Boredom is THE most effective weapon EVER
Tao Han	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:12:00 - [22] Edited by: Tao Han on 05/05/2006 12:12:27 Hmm, try shooting them. And stop running away. Btw, this might look like an alt but I can assure you that it isnt.
Manic Mole	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:13:00 - [23] Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: darth solo The only way to beat PVPers is to not give them PVP. Wouldnt it be ironic if after all the talk about taking BOB on, actually not taking them on was the only true tactic?. boredom is a very powerfull weapon. d solo. This man is my god now. Boredom is THE most effective weapon EVER only one flaw: what's to stop BoB going "let's attack eveyone!" Join My Corp. my posts do not represent my corp.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Manic Mole Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: darth solo The only way to beat PVPers is to not give them PVP. Wouldnt it be ironic if after all the talk about taking BOB on, actually not taking them on was the only true tactic?. boredom is a very powerfull weapon. d solo. This man is my god now. Boredom is THE most effective weapon EVER only one flaw: what's to stop BoB going "let's attack eveyone!" Absolutely nothing whatsoever. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Ace Frehley	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:23:00 - [25] Why the hell would example LV or -V- win on invading Delve?? Nothin. why jump 200 jumps to pvp when we/they can wait until BoB comes to us/them :P lazynes is a good weapon. Or just stop create posts like this. It is rather useless and give more fuel to the BoB ego :P. We have other bigger problems to worry about, like should we mine veldspar in 0.0 or mine scordite instead, We get less trit but pyr instead. And wich npc frig that drops the best lot comparing to bounty.... Text must be in english - Laqum http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/2280/acebar4xc.jpg Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes and your signature is inappropriate for these forums. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Sacul	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:27:00 - [26] I dont care what u all say! These posts are not a waste of time and bandwidth....they help me get thru the working day . Keep spamming ppl.
Jungle Jim	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:33:00 - [27] I know exeactly how to bring down BoB... /me runs off to speak to CEO about special buttons only he can press * Proud First Time Winner of the MLM Muppet Award *
maGz	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:33:00 - [28] Edited by: maGz on 05/05/2006 12:33:32 Originally by: Manic Mole Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: darth solo The only way to beat PVPers is to not give them PVP. Wouldnt it be ironic if after all the talk about taking BOB on, actually not taking them on was the only true tactic?. boredom is a very powerfull weapon. d solo. This man is my god now. Boredom is THE most effective weapon EVER only one flaw: what's to stop BoB going "let's attack eveyone!" Nothing... People just don't fight them when they show up for a fight waits for a BoB to say: Everyone already does that... (then puts on flame-resistant suit) ______________________
Nick Curso	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Jungle Jim I know exeactly how to bring down BoB... /me runs off to speak to CEO about special buttons only he can press f1,f2,f3,f4,f5,f6,f7,f8
Lady Kushrenada	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:47:00 - [30] How to Kill BOB in 4 easy steps, tried and true method: 1. Start a few threads about conspiracy theories and how BoB/MC/ISS alts are conspiring to conquer EVE/Kick puppies/get everyone paranoid so they can corner the market on tinfoil hats. 2. Build a big industrial alliance and strip mine out EVERY system in delve. (if someone actually pulls this off I will be VERY impressed ) 3. Have an alt try to hire the MC to fight for you. 4. Dock in a secure empire system and smacktalk them in local/forums/map thread. Have I missed any of the sucessful tactics employed thus far? ____________ Fear is the Mind-Killer

Daxes	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:00:00 - [31] the time that someone attacks BoB will come one day, only a question of time.
Astasia Orian	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:01:00 - [32] Quote: 2...strip mine out EVERY system in delve. (if someone actually pulls this off I will be VERY impressed Tried that, they didn't die.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:05:00 - [33] In terms of PvP ability, I would say D2 are at par with BOB.. But as we have seen, BOB alone can't kill D2, and D2 alone can't kill BOB. Either side will need to form a coalition to actually be able to kill off the other side. This also means a long boring war.. which I doubt that both sides will have the patience to fight through to completion. So its in there benefit to take on easier prey... ERA.. VOID.. ASCN... Huzzah... FIX
Kujin	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:06:00 - [34] 3 reasons why BOB won¦t be beaten by anyone in the near future : 1.) they got the numbers. 2.) they got the dedication. 3.) they got Sirmolle and Bl.. I have to agree on the opnion here written by someone ( forgot to quote ) that BOB wil rather destroy themselves, then get destroyed by someone.... CCP should add a limit to cloning.. ( like maybe once a day or some like that ) then you could have the chance to hurt an alliance a lot more .... *getting back to his cold beer c(lick) me
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:09:00 - [35] Originally by: Kujin 3 reasons why BOB won¦t be beaten by anyone in the near future : 1.) they got the numbers. 2.) they got the dedication. 3.) they got Sirmolle and Bl.. I have to agree on the opnion here written by someone ( forgot to quote ) that BOB wil rather destroy themselves, then get destroyed by someone.... CCP should add a limit to cloning.. ( like maybe once a day or some like that ) then you could have the chance to hurt an alliance a lot more .... *getting back to his cold beer Limit to cloning? Do you want PvP to become even less commonplace in Eve? Its dead enough as is.
Bexxly	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:10:00 - [36] Edited by: Bexxly on 05/05/2006 13:09:58 Hypothetically a sympathetic Dev could delete every member of BoB's characters. Game over I R t3h Bexleh lol
Cassandra Striker	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:14:00 - [37] Originally by: darth solo The only way to beat PVPers is to not give them PVP. Wouldnt it be ironic if after all the talk about taking BOB on, actually not taking them on was the only true tactic?. boredom is a very powerfull weapon. d solo. Omg yes! Lets all stop playing the game, that will teach them!
Pehova Mindtriq	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:18:00 - [38] Bring massive fleets to bob will only make them happy because they like to pvp, that's what keeps them together. I think boring pvp tactics is the best way to lower their morale before you try taking their region. With boring pvp I mean stuff like wcs fitted ravens with precision missiles that only go for support then run away. Smartbombing, cloaking battleship at diffeent gates within their region. Logg off inty gank squads in their money making systems with a cloaker online scanning, then when a target is found you logg on the gank squad. Or a sniping bs in a busy system with a covert. Basiclly tactics that makes it hard for them to kill you but will force them to try. A combination of this for a few months might work but i doubt many would like to play the game like this. Destroying alliances is a overrated event anyway so I suggest you go with a big fleet to bob space and just enjoy the fights.
Mark666	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:22:00 - [39] POS war. Anchor 40 POS a day in their station systems. Generally avoid PvP on equal terms, make sure its only gank. Use lots of log on/off tactics to frustrate them. Keep it up for a few months and they'll get tired.
Kujin	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Kujin 3 reasons why BOB won¦t be beaten by anyone in the near future : 1.) they got the numbers. 2.) they got the dedication. 3.) they got Sirmolle and Bl.. I have to agree on the opnion here written by someone ( forgot to quote ) that BOB wil rather destroy themselves, then get destroyed by someone.... CCP should add a limit to cloning.. ( like maybe once a day or some like that ) then you could have the chance to hurt an alliance a lot more .... *getting back to his cold beer Limit to cloning? Do you want PvP to become even less commonplace in Eve? Its dead enough as is. my fault.. i meant that if someone wants to destroy BOB , they should limit their cloning... then it might work killing them c(lick) me

Doppleganger	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:36:00 - [41] Get the Jovians on your side unless BOB has already done that. Quote: All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us... they can't get away this time. - Lieutenant General Lewis B.'Chesty' Puller
Calvin Pax	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:46:00 - [42] I¦m sorry but I don¦t think guerilla warfare will work in this case ! Why ?? Because NO CEO alone will risk the impact this may have on his corp. Say that u are on a successful guerilla campaign deep in BoB space wit say 10-15 pilots. After maybee 2 weeks of hit and run tactic and almost 100 kills the CEO¦s of BoB starts to notice you and what you are doing. Excactly in this moment you lose and commit your self and all that flyes with you to a boring life in Empire. Because after a another ösuccessfulö week your ammo is running out so you decide to go home and resupply. So you head back home and start to approach your outpost. Then you notice that the rader large sign that says WELCOME HOME BOYS and are lit with colorfull lamps (well the ceo is a little bith childish, you know that) and normally hangs on top of the hangardoors is missing. When you get closer you see that smoke oozes from some of the windows and that someone has painted BoB was here with uggly big red letters on the side of the station. In panic you instead warp against your pos-factory at moon xx planet yy and when you get out off warp you find nothing !! The local starts to fill up with undocking BoB pilots so you leave the system for the next one while you contact your neighbors. You know this nice alliance that you have a NAP with since 6 month back because they hate BoB as mutch as you do. The same alliance that assured you that they would come to your aid if you ever needed them and especially if the attacker was BoB. You find it hard to estabblish a contact with someone in charge, it¦s almost like they dont want to talk to you or is it even worse ? That they in fact neglect you ? This question is answered a short time after when you start to recive reports from the other pilots in your gang that have seek refuge within the borders of your trusted allied. They are under attack, not from BoB pilots but you know who. The last raport that reach you within that system is that your pilots has spoted a huge ex-allied fleet that seems heading into your space. Then finally you get hold of a chairman in that (ex) alliance. He sadly û of course- informs you that due to your recent act of trespassings into their space they now are forced to terminate the NAP and as a procotion for them self they now have to occupy your remaining 0.0 space and yes by the way they have a temporary NAP with BoB so long they are in the vicinity. So was it worth it, your 10 sec in the spotlight of the EvE community after that you had wardec BoB ? Unfortenetly the only way to get rid of BoB is to do excactly was Sel is saying. But this will never happend because there is no real will with the other large alliances to collaborate in this task. Because what if BoB attacks my alliance first and not theirs ?? No I wait in the shadow and move in later so my alliance is safe
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:47:00 - [43] Originally by: darth solo The only way to beat PVPers is to not give them PVP. Wouldnt it be ironic if after all the talk about taking BOB on, actually not taking them on was the only true tactic?. boredom is a very powerfull weapon. d solo. Think this is actually the best way to defeat bob, or the way of Seleene. _______________________________________
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:47:00 - [44] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 05/05/2006 10:49:38 ASCN and D2 need to make up and be nice. SA and Huzzah and FIX need to quit shooting at each other. LV needs to quit mining. They all need to sit at a big round table and say, "Hey, Robert is going to kill us all. We should kill him first. Jihad, dirka dirka!" Then they do something rather amazingly odd - they actualy invade Delve and they fight until, oh.. I dunno... DB Preacher comes onto the forums and says they are beaten? There. Plan made. With this excellent plan, how much for MC to come in? President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Nira Li	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:00:00 - [45] Originally by: Bexxly Edited by: Bexxly on 05/05/2006 13:09:58 Hypothetically a sympathetic Dev could delete every member of BoB's characters. Game over nah we would just use our alts in MC You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Thesper	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:02:00 - [46] Edited by: Thesper on 05/05/2006 14:03:02 I'm with ShinRa on this one. I play this game for SPACE WAR!, not for the actual defeat of the various political entities in EVE, cause lets face it, its not as if we have much difference in our ideologies or anything really. If you're going to fight BoB, fight them because you want to fight, not because you want to 'bring them down' for whatever reason.
Plutoinum	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:15:00 - [47] Edited by: Plutoinum on 05/05/2006 14:21:03 Originally by: Thesper I'm with ShinRa on this one. I play this game for SPACE WAR!, not for the actual defeat of the various political entities in EVE, cause lets face it, its not as if we have much difference in our ideologies or anything really. If you're going to fight BoB, fight them because you want to fight, not because you want to 'bring them down' for whatever reason. Besides having fun in pvp, I like the strategical side of the game and I can only do it, if people have long-term plans and want to win in a conflict. That's just my personal view. And regarding guerilla warfare: It only works to scare carebears off, but you won't find many in BoB. So it would have no big impact.
Evil's Dawn	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:15:00 - [48] Edited by: Evil''s Dawn on 05/05/2006 14:16:20 Originally by: Astasia Orian Quote: 2...strip mine out EVERY system in delve. (if someone actually pulls this off I will be VERY impressed Tried that, they didn't die. Hush. Back in your barge. There's still some 1K bistot roids in Delve with your name on them.
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:17:00 - [49] Originally by: Thesper Edited by: Thesper on 05/05/2006 14:03:02 I'm with ShinRa on this one. I play this game for SPACE WAR!, not for the actual defeat of the various political entities in EVE, cause lets face it, its not as if we have much difference in our ideologies or anything really. If you're going to fight BoB, fight them because you want to fight, not because you want to 'bring them down' for whatever reason. Yeah must admit I'm in it for the space war too, for example even though FIX are the enemy I posted a standing offer on their boards that any corp ceasing hostilies would get a NAP and standings to get any of their stuff from the stations and that I would push for our allies to do the same. At least one corp took us up on the offer of NAP and standings and it stands for FIX as a whole if hostilities end between us as people losing their stuff forever in stations is a nasty thing that I wouldn't want anyone to have happen to them. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:41:00 - [50] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Naphtalia Originally by: Seleene DB Preacher comes onto the forums and says they are beaten? Nah we all know that never happens, DBP will come to the forums and state that they are relocating somewhere else, that it was already planned and had nothing to do with the invasion. Well, I was going to say "Blacklight quits drinking." but I figured I'd go for soemthing more realistic. Blacklight on IRON beating [G] in the Caldari Championships: "If they win I'll give up drinking!" Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither

Creediki Starsong	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:52:00 - [51] War fought with a coalition of independant states is allways the hardest. That said.. the following team would be interesting to see. D2 or ASCN as the Deep Pockets/Big Fleet. Goonfleet as the funloving newcomers with a lot of people and not much room. MC as Fleet Commanders, raiders.
Mirasta	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:58:00 - [52] Edited by: Mirasta on 05/05/2006 14:59:13 Edited by: Mirasta on 05/05/2006 14:58:55 Invade there system with a lone pilot... here comes the key.... Play All the spice girls albums 1 after the other for 3 whole weeks, if that dosent destroythem nothing will.
Crucifier	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:26:00 - [53] Originally by: Mirasta Edited by: Mirasta on 05/05/2006 14:59:13 Edited by: Mirasta on 05/05/2006 14:58:55 Invade there system with a lone pilot... here comes the key.... Play All the spice girls albums 1 after the other for 3 whole weeks, if that dosent destroythem nothing will. That is so genious that it MUST work
Troubadour	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:37:00 - [54] Edited by: Troubadour on 05/05/2006 15:41:36 All of these ideas have been tryed before. IMP has tryed bringing in large fleets at times when BOB was mostly asleep. Doesn't work. SA/ASCN have tryed gurrella warfare tactics with small groups, WCS, and EW and they get smacked down, just like how VC tryed to do the same thing before them. There have been a number of different corps that have tryed to move in and NPC when bob is not around and gank people when they are not there, they have all died miserably and eventually moved out of delve. And the starving BoB of PvP won't work because most of them have industrial alts that they will mine/produce on in PvP downtime. And at a certain point BoB will just go out and start stuff for the sake of PvP if nobody comes to give it to them(aridia war, the erasing of all standings, etc etc). It just doesn't work. While the BoB blobs are what make the news, what doesn't is the fact that they are also proficient in smaller group tactics and most of their fights take place on this scale. Chasing around groups of 6-7 people with 6-7 people and the like. If they don't kill you, you end up sitting at a safespot or in a station for hours/days.
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:41:00 - [55] Originally by: Dianabolic Blacklight on IRON beating [G] in the Caldari Championships: "If they win I'll give up drinking!" Did he keep his promise? _______________________________________
DoctorGonzo	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:46:00 - [56] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Blob their system and take their outpost. Do you actually want to do that? I mean is winning what its really about or wouldn't you rather have a good old prolonged war, not too dissimilar to CA/SA. Is it really that important to take their space? Far too many people have taken this whos map control thing way too seriously. Just fight. For once I agree with junior! Get Your BoB Protection Kit Here
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:06:00 - [57] Edited by: Seleene on 05/05/2006 16:09:14 Originally by: DoctorGonzo Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Blob their system and take their outpost. Do you actually want to do that? I mean is winning what its really about or wouldn't you rather have a good old prolonged war, not too dissimilar to CA/SA. Is it really that important to take their space? Far too many people have taken this whos map control thing way too seriously. Just fight. For once I agree with junior! He needs to stop making sense. Originally by: Mirasta Invade there system with a lone pilot... here comes the key.... Play All the spice girls albums 1 after the other for 3 whole weeks, if that dosent destroythem nothing will. n00b. Sugababes 4TW. I've been waiting patiently for him to come and get it I wonder if he knows that he can say it and I'm with it I knew I had my mind made up from the very beginning Catch this opportunity so you and me could feel it 'cos If you're ready for me boy You'd better push the button and let me know Before I get the wrong idea and go You're gonna miss the freak that I control EDIT - I cleared an entire KAOS fleet out of thier home system with the above 'superweapon'. - History of the MC movie!
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:10:00 - [58] Originally by: Dracolich Originally by: Dianabolic Blacklight on IRON beating [G] in the Caldari Championships: "If they win I'll give up drinking!" Did he keep his promise? No comment. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:13:00 - [59] The only way to beat them is to not be afraid of them. Im sick to death of hearing "But we can't fight BoB" BoB come, Targets Flee, BoB conquer. you gotta love them for it.
Mr Flibble1	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:17:00 - [60] Bob are s**te, they are just using all this propoganda to make it look like they actually know what they are doing.

Mirasta	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:26:00 - [61] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Mirasta Invade there system with a lone pilot... here comes the key.... Play All the spice girls albums 1 after the other for 3 whole weeks, if that dosent destroythem nothing will. n00b. Sugababes 4TW. I've been waiting patiently for him to come and get it I wonder if he knows that he can say it and I'm with it I knew I had my mind made up from the very beginning Catch this opportunity so you and me could feel it 'cos If you're ready for me boy You'd better push the button and let me know Before I get the wrong idea and go You're gonna miss the freak that I control EDIT - I cleared an entire KAOS fleet out of thier home system with the above 'superweapon'. You MONSTER Sugababes Make Baby Jesus cry
Rodge	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:32:00 - [62] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Blob their system and take their outpost. Do you actually want to do that? I mean is winning what its really about or wouldn't you rather have a good old prolonged war, not too dissimilar to CA/SA. Is it really that important to take their space? Far too many people have taken this whos map control thing way too seriously. Just fight. OMG Shin Ra gets it exactly right! I'd love to go back to the days of a prolonged war like the CA/SA days.... [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
Nimbu	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:54:00 - [63] Well here are the thoughts of a carebear on the subject. 1) Military Warfare Groups such as SA/Huzzah/FIX/D2 etc etc need to come to some kind of ceasefire and co-ordinate their efforts. It was mentioned that VC/SA have tried gorilla tactics, others capital fleets, and finally others just plain Blobs, with no effect. However if people were to combine their efforts and attempt to do these at the same time I think they will find that they will start to make a dent. BoB cannot be all over their space defending even with the advent of jump clones. Groups also need to be prepared to maintain any ground that they take. Locking down a system for just one night is not gonna work, it would have to be for the duration. Consolidating each increase in holding as and when it comes. Infultration, sure its prob one of the hardest groups to get into, but not impossible. Intel gathered would have to be colated and for a long while not acted upon, until operatives have are firmly in place. Recon, finding pos's that may be offline as your fleets have weakened their supply runs. Use distractions to get heir attention and take out these pos's. Will hurt their wallets as well as the time required to put a structure up to replace it. 2) Economic Warfare I'm sure that they dont mine all the materials needed. Minerals sure can be gathered by NPC loot refined, but if you have successfully hampered their fleets you are impeeding one of their mineral streams. Ice mining contractors / low end contractors, could be either harassed or simply out bid bob for their produce. Lower stocks of ICE means they will be unable to keep all of thier pos's up and will have to start consolidating them. 3) Psycological Warefare Use thier own tactics against them. Surely people must remember the long reports that DBP used to make on the GNW. This chpped away greatly at the morale of pilots that were fighting against them. People say that BoB just wants to fight, I agree but more then that they want to win. If you can successfully engage them for prolonged periods you will again begin to eat away at their members morale, and as we all know we eventually people will not want to be on the side that appears to be losing. Thier members will begin to leave. Thus leading to further consolidation of their holdings. You can also use this to recruit some of their memberbase. Look at some of BoB's members, quite a few I remember as stern Anti Bobbers. Finally you need paitence and dedication. There is no quick way to achieve a victory against BoB. Think that does it for me, back to mining some veld.... Nims 99% of the above is said in RP. The Other 1% is personal, and should be taken that way. :P
Butch Sally	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:23:00 - [64] Originally by: Nimbu Well here are the thoughts of a carebear on the subject. 1) Military Warfare Groups such as SA/Huzzah/FIX/D2 etc etc need to come to some kind of ceasefire and co-ordinate their efforts. Nims You realy think FIX are gunna ally their long standing enemy (huzzah and SA) so they can fight a sucide war with BoB? We all know that if HF survive this they will continue their war on FIX. FIX needs this time to regain its strength, afterall I assume that was BoBs intention for attacking HF.
Nimbu	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:32:00 - [65] Originally by: Butch Sally You realy think FIX are gunna ally their long standing enemy (huzzah and SA) so they can fight a sucide war with BoB? We all know that if HF survive this they will continue their war on FIX. FIX needs this time to regain its strength, afterall I assume that was BoBs intention for attacking HF.[/quote No I dont think that they would, however remember its all hypothetical. 99% of the above is said in RP. The Other 1% is personal, and should be taken that way. :P
Sarafi	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:53:00 - [66] Originally by: darth solo The only way to beat PVPers is to not give them PVP. Wouldnt it be ironic if after all the talk about taking BOB on, actually not taking them on was the only true tactic?. boredom is a very powerfull weapon. d solo. Said what i wanted to say but much better Dock and play other games with ur corp for a few months!!!
Nifel	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:03:00 - [67] Originally by: Mirasta Edited by: Mirasta on 05/05/2006 14:59:13 Edited by: Mirasta on 05/05/2006 14:58:55 Invade there system with a lone pilot... here comes the key.... Play All the spice girls albums 1 after the other for 3 whole weeks, if that dosent destroythem nothing will. Could be worse... could be Celine Dion's "My heart will go on" stuck on repeat . "We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago." RKK Ranking: (MIN14) Sama
Crellion	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:09:00 - [68] Kill their MC mining alts
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:10:00 - [69] Originally by: Nifel Could be worse... could be Celine Dion's "My heart will go on" stuck on repeat . For the love of all things good and right, don't subject me to that! ANYTHING but that Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03!
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:17:00 - [70] Originally by: Wizie But as we have seen, BOB alone can't kill D2, and D2 alone can't kill BOB. Neither BoB nor D2 (G) have ever really gone after each other full bore, so I don't quite understand where you get that from? We were going to once but put it off to do something else that was on the agenda and I thought they were going to try it alongside IRON after our christmas roadtrip up there but again it never happened. Maybe one day. Eve Blacklight Style

Blacklight	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:19:00 - [71] Originally by: darth solo The only way to beat PVPers is to not give them PVP. Wouldnt it be ironic if after all the talk about taking BOB on, actually not taking them on was the only true tactic?. boredom is a very powerfull weapon. d solo. Is it just me that finds that sad? In a game with such a strong PvP focus that is all about player interaction and conflict the suggested tactic is not to fight Eve Blacklight Style
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:25:00 - [72] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: darth solo The only way to beat PVPers is to not give them PVP. Wouldnt it be ironic if after all the talk about taking BOB on, actually not taking them on was the only true tactic?. boredom is a very powerfull weapon. d solo. Is it just me that finds that sad? In a game with such a strong PvP focus that is all about player interaction and conflict the suggested tactic is not to fight I totally agree and it doesn't work, for example if FIX adopted this strategy they would have fallen a long time ago and it would have just been a case of how long it takes to get the stront to the dreads. Thank god they didn't and am sure all sides have had the time of their lives shooting each other and getting kills. It doesn't mean that you have to attack every time you see someone in local as whilst they are target fixated in one place your forces can be attacking a weaker position elsewhere. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:31:00 - [73] Edited by: Darko1107 on 05/05/2006 18:34:22 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: darth solo The only way to beat PVPers is to not give them PVP. Wouldnt it be ironic if after all the talk about taking BOB on, actually not taking them on was the only true tactic?. boredom is a very powerfull weapon. d solo. Is it just me that finds that sad? In a game with such a strong PvP focus that is all about player interaction and conflict the suggested tactic is not to fight Its sad to me only because its using a tactic of "boredem" in something thats meant to be entertaining. Might aswell cancel the sub. Ridiculus tactic anyway, you'd end up boring your own people to leave the game before BoB do. Might aswell surrender before you start the war.
Lorth	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:38:00 - [74] Originally by: darth solo The only way to beat PVPers is to not give them PVP. Wouldnt it be ironic if after all the talk about taking BOB on, actually not taking them on was the only true tactic?. boredom is a very powerfull weapon. d solo. That tactic didn't work well for NSA, Xetic, FA, PA (twice), and a hand full of other alliences. All that really happens is both parties get bored. The PVP'rs leave the allience, and your stuck with a bunch of carebears and now someone has your space. Theres no uber secret to killing BOB. Just show up and do it. But in a world of half baked allience, who for the most part have a much bigger bark then thier bite, it won't happen any time soon. The problem is most people soon figure out thier allience suck when only 10% of the online pilots show up, and even though you outnumber them, BOB still shows up. At that point most alliences run away screaming OMG our super blob tactic didn't work, and head for the hills. Theres a few people that could do it, or at least have an inpact. The problem is a fight like that is a lossing campain for both parties, because niether will give up. And 2-3 mounths down the road there's a lot of dead ships, and no one has really gotten anywhere. It would be rougly the same story if BOB attacked those same alliences in thier space.
nkldklnkv	Posted - 2006.05.05 19:04:00 - [75] Originally by: Daxes the time that someone attacks BoB will come one day, only a question of time. do you mean when you get all your nap's finalised?
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.05 19:18:00 - [76] Edited by: Gronsak on 05/05/2006 19:23:39 simple steps to improve your alliance! if your an allaince that wishes to take over space or hold onto your own sapce you need a pvp force! and more than likely more of your memebrs need to be pvp than carebares! teach your PVPers how to feking pvp, the number of pvp corps and single pilots that think they are good infact dont even know how to use the scanner properly in pvp let alone what everyship in game does and its resistaces and likely setups and how to counter [tbh this goes for bob too, they got some crap pvpers so i cant see anyone perfecting this] T2 industry! Isk is very important in the game, you need to be able to jump back into a ship instantly not go mine/npc to get a new ship. if you dont have a healthy income then your dead before you begin [and t2 is the easiest i win button for this!] get working buy yourselfs as many high profit t2 bpos as possible! its very simple not to loose a fight, teach your FC to not take high risks, you basicly know before a fight if ur gona pawn, if its gona be clsoe or if your gona die! fight the fights on your terms and nothing else! if your loosing a fight badly its not a bad idea to order your AF to switch to cans, at lest the targets dont get the loot! spys, this is key also, no spys, this is hard and almost impossible, but limit intel spys can get which can be done in amny ways! hire small merc corps, they are DIRT cheap, costs can be as low as 250mil isk PER WEEK that is a bargin! its not gona kill your target, but its gona slow down their income from npcing/missions/mining ect! always have PVPers loged off in space in snipe ships and not in your stations! have every pvpers install a jump clone at stations/outposts u need to keep you need to be at lest semi commi and replace lost stuff for your members afterall they are fighting for you! you do not need to fight! if a force of 50BS are outside it doesnt mean you should undock with your 60BS and fight them, specily if the targets can replace ships easily while you cant! if they attacking your poses, which is the only time you really need to fight for your space. have those who where loged off in space, all warp in to the fleet, pick a pirmary dred [yungest pilot or worst tanking dred] and take him down, warp off and repete ect! goonfleet type tactics will work! infact hire the dam buggers! or get them on your side. offense is always ALWAYS the best defense! if you know an allaince is gona attack you its best to attack them firest if you can help it! also hire people to teach your wannabe pvp corps how to pvp, even those corps taht say they are usually suck! easy way to kill dreds: have 2 low SP alt in a gedden/apoc with 8x named heavy neuts and the rest just cap rechargers and cpr. log off in space at a sS. when attacking fleet capital ships are getting your POS warp those guys in 5sec before your snipe fleet get them to neut pirmary, who will go down VERY fast with no cap left [specilly galante/amar dreds which are on low cap to start with becase of the guns] -------------------Sig----------------------- Boost the raven, i dont know how since its got great volley damage, massive range, any damage type, overpowered tank BUT BOOOOOOOSTTTT them raveneeeeen
IamBen	Posted - 2006.05.05 19:23:00 - [77] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 05/05/2006 10:49:38 ASCN and D2 need to make up and be nice. SA and Huzzah and FIX need to quit shooting at each other. LV needs to quit mining. They all need to sit at a big round table and say, "Hey, Robert is going to kill us all. We should kill him first. Jihad, dirka dirka!" Then they do something rather amazingly odd - they actualy invade Delve and they fight until, oh.. I dunno... DB Preacher comes onto the forums and says they are beaten? There. Plan made. Cant stop mining sorry :)
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.05 19:24:00 - [78] I can tell you how to kill alliance from inside: 1. nap everyone in 50j radius 2. if there is any incident, instead going to spank the neighbour, ignore it 3. keep thinking that $$$ is more important than people. Phase one: Every pvper will get bored and eventually leave/quit game. Phase two: Remaining pvpers will go **** someone off, because they have another appealing option of mining and arguing about who is mining what and where Phase three: Those carebears from phase two will leave because enemy shows on horizont ... Die, die, die.
Jennifae	Posted - 2006.05.05 20:05:00 - [79] You have to locate and kill BoB's carebears(and there's a boatload of em). In 0,0 and in empire. You don't get 35+ dreads and a titan on the way by picking up ASCN loot cans in Feyth(close though ) They all must die. You don't even bother with their "fleet." The object of the game is to break their fleet down eventually into smaller, more killable, groupings. This is the "taking the blob from Bob" phase. So to recap: Phase 1 - Identify Bob carebears Phase 2 - Organize smaller sized death squads to kill\cripple BoB carebear activities without engaging BoB's blob fleet. Phase 3 - Once the blob is taken from BoB and BoB is fighting in smaller groups you intensify the carebear killing and you engage the smaller BoB pvp groups when it's advantageous to do so. OTherwise you coordinate carebear kill squad activities in such a way that BoB's pvpers spend all their time jumping 10 to 20 jumps for nothing most of the time. Summary: This is the "ho chi mihn" guerrilla warfare approach(or, "using Charlie to kill BoB). You have to believe that over time you will destroy their will to fight back. As soon as one kill squad "melts into the jungle" and disappears from BoB's blob, another kill squad materializes 25 jumps away and evicerates a BoB mining op somewhere. A coordinated chain of intel alts in cov ops provide critical information to help the cause. But ahem, most organizations in Eve are nowhere near as organized and of one mind as this requires. SO me thinks BoB is safe for now and the foreseeable future.
Malarrky	Posted - 2006.05.05 20:08:00 - [80] please just STFU with bob threads

darth solo	Posted - 2006.05.05 20:10:00 - [81] Edited by: darth solo on 05/05/2006 20:16:10 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: darth solo The only way to beat PVPers is to not give them PVP. Wouldnt it be ironic if after all the talk about taking BOB on, actually not taking them on was the only true tactic?. boredom is a very powerfull weapon. d solo. Is it just me that finds that sad? In a game with such a strong PvP focus that is all about player interaction and conflict the suggested tactic is not to fight dude im only throwing around possible ironic ideas... all iv done in eve is pvp as u well know, the ONLY thing that makes us move on and lose interest is when our enemy doesnt fight.... they could fight me untill the end of time and ill stay put, WE will NEVER be beaten by PVP, the same goes for BOB. This tactic was done with amazing results by Xelas.. if they had fought us id still be in Fountain. but they didnt, we left, they basically won as they took away my enjoyment and made me leave by refusing to fight, and as u well know u cant force ppl to fight that stay in NPC stations.. d solo. not everyone has what it takes to be a member of celes, do you?. join here.
Jonny Damordred	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:02:00 - [82] Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq Bring massive fleets to bob will only make them happy because they like to pvp, that's what keeps them together. I think boring pvp tactics is the best way to lower their morale before you try taking their region. With boring pvp I mean stuff like wcs fitted ravens with precision missiles that only go for support then run away. Smartbombing, cloaking battleship at diffeent gates within their region. Logg off inty gank squads in their money making systems with a cloaker online scanning, then when a target is found you logg on the gank squad. Or a sniping bs in a busy system with a covert. Basiclly tactics that makes it hard for them to kill you but will force them to try. A combination of this for a few months might work but i doubt many would like to play the game like this. Destroying alliances is a overrated event anyway so I suggest you go with a big fleet to bob space and just enjoy the fights. Ya, PA tried tactics like this, and they won against.... oh wait! Cheers, Jonny D. ----- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- B. Franklin
Kryztal	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:19:00 - [83] Originally by: Jennifae You have to locate and kill BoB's carebears(and there's a boatload of em). In 0,0 and in empire. You don't get 35+ dreads and a titan on the way by picking up ASCN loot cans in Feyth(close though ) They all must die. You don't even bother with their "fleet." The object of the game is to break their fleet down eventually into smaller, more killable, groupings. This is the "taking the blob from Bob" phase. So to recap: Phase 1 - Identify Bob carebears Phase 2 - Organize smaller sized death squads to kill\cripple BoB carebear activities without engaging BoB's blob fleet. Phase 3 - Once the blob is taken from BoB and BoB is fighting in smaller groups you intensify the carebear killing and you engage the smaller BoB pvp groups when it's advantageous to do so. OTherwise you coordinate carebear kill squad activities in such a way that BoB's pvpers spend all their time jumping 10 to 20 jumps for nothing most of the time. Summary: This is the "ho chi mihn" guerrilla warfare approach(or, "using Charlie to kill BoB). You have to believe that over time you will destroy their will to fight back. As soon as one kill squad "melts into the jungle" and disappears from BoB's blob, another kill squad materializes 25 jumps away and evicerates a BoB mining op somewhere. A coordinated chain of intel alts in cov ops provide critical information to help the cause. But ahem, most organizations in Eve are nowhere near as organized and of one mind as this requires. SO me thinks BoB is safe for now and the foreseeable future. Im a BoB carebear come kill me. You fail to realize our carebears are pvp'rs as well. Thats a tactic that cripples most alliances out there but if you think thats gonna hurt BoB in any way then think again. Black Nova Corp Bob(TM) Brand Bleach - Eliminates Every Stain
Darth Hammer	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:43:00 - [84] You might be able to put a dent in their heavy industry if you used a cov opps fleet to go after their heavy industry.Or better yet show them that they arent the only ones that can pull off a pearl harbor job. CEO Necromungers
Lightof God	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:50:00 - [85] Best way to kill BoB? easy. Take every noob and experienced player from empire. Even though empire dwellers cant fight 600 ppl per system in ships should at least crash a few nodes.
Alexison	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:52:00 - [86] Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 05/05/2006 19:23:39 simple steps to improve your alliance! you do not need to fight! if a force of 50BS are outside it doesnt mean you should undock with your 60BS and fight them, specily if the targets can replace ships easily while you cant! I think your whole post falls on this very "simple" advice. Why even bother playing if you dont wanna undock 60 bs to pwn a 50bs fleet?
CamMan	Posted - 2006.05.06 01:54:00 - [87] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo All the talk I see in the forums may one day mature to actual action hehe. I brainstormed a few ideas as to how a smaller alliance / merc corp could take on the behemoth. Guerilla warfare? Hell it worked in vietnam, and isn't so expensive. Roaming around delve killing one ship here, a couple there. The effect isn't so much to cause huge losses, but disrupt the whole area, mining, rating , production etc. Hit and run can make huge areas unsafe and tie down large forces, making bob weaker on its fronts so an oppurtunistic neighbour can strike with full force. Any other ideas? You are assuming that all BoB in delve mine or npc or do something non hostile. Most of BoB do nothing but roam, and we generally have to roam far and wide to find hostiles, so even a small group of hostiles entering delve would please us. We wouldnt have to go far to find some action. Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Scagga Laebetrovo	Posted - 2006.05.06 01:56:00 - [88] On vera, on vera... :)
Ender Fal	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:29:00 - [89] all of this talk about the other smaller alliances ceasing fire and uniting to take out BoB is nonsense, and everyone on this forum know it. BoB is Eve's equivilant of the Roman Empire. its just too damn big. the smaller alliances have too much pride and would rather sit there and slowly get chomped by the behemoth than join with someone they have a disagreement with and fight the good fight. BoB will fall like Rome did, internal strife. its already been said, but i felt i should point it out again. okay, so how will this internal strife come about? one word: boredom. its great being on top, being able to make any corp or alliance bow down, but some corps will get bored. they will see that in a capital fleet, most of the ships are piloted by their pilots, and they will take them. or they will see that there is several tens of billions of isk worth of BPOs sitting in a hanger, and no one but their guys are online, and you will not see them again. so basically, there is nothing Huzzah, MC yadda yadda yadda can do about it. its just a sit and wait game, and duck when they come to your region. /me ducks.
Crucifier	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:34:00 - [90] Originally by: CamMan Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo All the talk I see in the forums may one day mature to actual action hehe. I brainstormed a few ideas as to how a smaller alliance / merc corp could take on the behemoth. Guerilla warfare? Hell it worked in vietnam, and isn't so expensive. Roaming around delve killing one ship here, a couple there. The effect isn't so much to cause huge losses, but disrupt the whole area, mining, rating , production etc. Hit and run can make huge areas unsafe and tie down large forces, making bob weaker on its fronts so an oppurtunistic neighbour can strike with full force. Any other ideas? You are assuming that all BoB in delve mine or npc or do something non hostile. Most of BoB do nothing but roam, and we generally have to roam far and wide to find hostiles, so even a small group of hostiles entering delve would please us. We wouldnt have to go far to find some action. That may well be true, but i know for sure bob are pretty good at mining

Arron S	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:34:00 - [91] Step one: Round up EMO kids into an Indy Step two: Dump them into BoB space Step three: Camp all the gates leading out of BoB space.
Etherios	Posted - 2006.05.06 07:02:00 - [92] Edited by: Etherios on 06/05/2006 07:02:58 Originally by: Ender Fal all of this talk about the other smaller alliances ceasing fire and uniting to take out BoB is nonsense, and everyone on this forum know it. BoB is Eve's equivilant of the Roman Empire. its just too damn big. the smaller alliances have too much pride and would rather sit there and slowly get chomped by the behemoth than join with someone they have a disagreement with and fight the good fight. BoB will fall like Rome did, internal strife. its already been said, but i felt i should point it out again. okay, so how will this internal strife come about? one word: boredom. its great being on top, being able to make any corp or alliance bow down, but some corps will get bored. they will see that in a capital fleet, most of the ships are piloted by their pilots, and they will take them. or they will see that there is several tens of billions of isk worth of BPOs sitting in a hanger, and no one but their guys are online, and you will not see them again. so basically, there is nothing Huzzah, MC yadda yadda yadda can do about it. its just a sit and wait game, and duck when they come to your region. /me ducks. That is the worsh defence of someones home i have ever heard of ... burrying ur head on sand doesnt mean u wont get beaten in the ass...... Also boredom? What boredom? Where??? have u ever seen us stay in one place(hostile) for long? And last Carebears ... u lot should understand that being a PvPer doesnt excuse u from minning/npc or what ever else u can do to help ur friends and corp... SOOOOOO plz dont seperate the damn thing. PLAYERS are PLAYERS no matter what, u dont need 20mil sp in minning to go help u just need to be part of the Corp and not TOO DAMN UBER TO HELP ..... Cya all in space SOON... True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
Hamatitio	Posted - 2006.05.06 07:11:00 - [93] Originally by: Alexison Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 05/05/2006 19:23:39 simple steps to improve your alliance! you do not need to fight! if a force of 50BS are outside it doesnt mean you should undock with your 60BS and fight them, specily if the targets can replace ships easily while you cant! I think your whole post falls on this very "simple" advice. Why even bother playing if you dont wanna undock 60 bs to pwn a 50bs fleet? Undocking into a battle is one of the worst things you can do as a FC. Against any group of people who have a clue, that battle would be very 1 sided. --- Originally by: Wrangler ...why do you people always have to verbally assault each other over things that doesn't matter anyway?
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.05.06 07:15:00 - [94] Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 06/05/2006 07:14:57 BoB dont have "carebare core" The last carebare got kickked yestuday. [23] Member: BoB Alt BoB is continuing its ruin EVE campaing...
DeadDuck	Posted - 2006.05.06 08:24:00 - [95] Just destroy the access jump gates to BOB Space... like that they will be traped inside their regions and will be so bored that they will kill each other. You just have to make sure that your fleet is on the right side of the gate before the final blow
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.05.06 09:14:00 - [96] Originally by: DeadDuck Just destroy the access jump gates to BOB Space... like that they will be traped inside their regions and will be so bored that they will kill each other. You just have to make sure that your fleet is on the right side of the gate before the final blow ok scotty, lit the fuse! Oh S****! i ment lit the fuse after we are on other side! [23] Member: BoB Alt BoB is continuing its ruin EVE campaing...
Nifel	Posted - 2006.05.06 09:28:00 - [97] Originally by: Hamatitio Originally by: Alexison Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 05/05/2006 19:23:39 simple steps to improve your alliance! you do not need to fight! if a force of 50BS are outside it doesnt mean you should undock with your 60BS and fight them, specily if the targets can replace ships easily while you cant! I think your whole post falls on this very "simple" advice. Why even bother playing if you dont wanna undock 60 bs to pwn a 50bs fleet? Undocking into a battle is one of the worst things you can do as a FC. Against any group of people who have a clue, that battle would be very 1 sided. You mean just like it's suicide to jump into a system with twice the numbers you have into a bubbled camp? Aim for the stars and reach the moon or aim for nothing and be nothing. "We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago." RKK Ranking: (MIN14) Sama
BOldMan	Posted - 2006.05.06 09:54:00 - [98] Originally by: DeadDuck Just destroy the access jump gates to BOB Space... like that they will be traped inside their regions and will be so bored that they will kill each other. You just have to make sure that your fleet is on the right side of the gate before the final blow Sound like a Jove space. Bove space :D --------------------------------------------- [notify] None - Are you sure you want to proceed with the clone jump? The process of doing so will result in the destruction of the existing clone you h
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.05.06 09:58:00 - [99] Edited by: Darko1107 on 06/05/2006 09:59:39 Originally by: Nifel Originally by: Hamatitio Originally by: Alexison Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 05/05/2006 19:23:39 simple steps to improve your alliance! you do not need to fight! if a force of 50BS are outside it doesnt mean you should undock with your 60BS and fight them, specily if the targets can replace ships easily while you cant! I think your whole post falls on this very "simple" advice. Why even bother playing if you dont wanna undock 60 bs to pwn a 50bs fleet? Undocking into a battle is one of the worst things you can do as a FC. Against any group of people who have a clue, that battle would be very 1 sided. You mean just like it's suicide to jump into a system with twice the numbers you have into a bubbled camp? Aim for the stars and reach the moon or aim for nothing and be nothing. Nah thats tottally different, and you wouldnt have jumped in if it was "suicide". (If your actually talking bout bob). Undocking a mass fleet at the same time would cause massive lag, all the ships would then ram each other outside station making it impossible to warp out even if your not scrambled. When u jump in, u simply align, get out of bubbles and warp. With 30 or even 20~ bs's undocking, whatever way u went to get out of the scrum, some1 else would most likely go the same way stopping u from doing so. On top of that, theres no chance for a regroup command, whoever undocks first and finishes his 30 second invunerablity period dies first. Everyone also has 30 seconds to get aquinted with thier primary target.
Bizarre	Posted - 2006.05.06 10:09:00 - [100] Originally by: Darko1107 Edited by: Darko1107 on 06/05/2006 09:59:39 Originally by: Nifel Originally by: Hamatitio Originally by: Alexison Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 05/05/2006 19:23:39 simple steps to improve your alliance! you do not need to fight! if a force of 50BS are outside it doesnt mean you should undock with your 60BS and fight them, specily if the targets can replace ships easily while you cant! I think your whole post falls on this very "simple" advice. Why even bother playing if you dont wanna undock 60 bs to pwn a 50bs fleet? Undocking into a battle is one of the worst things you can do as a FC. Against any group of people who have a clue, that battle would be very 1 sided. You mean just like it's suicide to jump into a system with twice the numbers you have into a bubbled camp? Aim for the stars and reach the moon or aim for nothing and be nothing. Nah thats tottally different, and you wouldnt have jumped in if it was "suicide". (If your actually talking bout bob). Undocking a mass fleet at the same time would cause massive lag, all the ships would then ram each other outside station making it impossible to warp out even if your not scrambled. When u jump in, u simply align, get out of bubbles and warp. With 30 or even 20~ bs's undocking, whatever way u went to get out of the scrum, some1 else would most likely go the same way stopping u from doing so. On top of that, theres no chance for a regroup command, whoever undocks first and finishes his 30 second invunerablity period dies first. Everyone also has 30 seconds to get aquinted with thier primary target. Who cares about the losses, it's all about kills! ------------------ WOTANKN > WOTAN-KN + BIZARRE= SIR MOLLE

Darko1107	Posted - 2006.05.06 10:16:00 - [101] Its nice to get more kills than losses . Im not a big fan of dieing and not even making a dent in the enemy. I dont mind a slaughterfest of each side thouggh.
Bizarre	Posted - 2006.05.06 10:21:00 - [102] Originally by: Darko1107 Its nice to get more kills than losses . Im not a big fan of dieing and not even making a dent in the enemy. I dont mind a slaughterfest of each side thouggh. What I ment was, don't mind your own losses and just try to kill as many of the enemy as you can. Most alliances don't have determination and will simply stay at home after losing ships. ------------------ WOTANKN > WOTAN-KN + BIZARRE= SIR MOLLE
Nifel	Posted - 2006.05.06 10:26:00 - [103] Originally by: Darko1107 Edited by: Darko1107 on 06/05/2006 09:59:39 Originally by: Nifel Originally by: Hamatitio Originally by: Alexison Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 05/05/2006 19:23:39 simple steps to improve your alliance! you do not need to fight! if a force of 50BS are outside it doesnt mean you should undock with your 60BS and fight them, specily if the targets can replace ships easily while you cant! I think your whole post falls on this very "simple" advice. Why even bother playing if you dont wanna undock 60 bs to pwn a 50bs fleet? Undocking into a battle is one of the worst things you can do as a FC. Against any group of people who have a clue, that battle would be very 1 sided. You mean just like it's suicide to jump into a system with twice the numbers you have into a bubbled camp? Aim for the stars and reach the moon or aim for nothing and be nothing. Nah thats tottally different, and you wouldnt have jumped in if it was "suicide". (If your actually talking bout bob). Undocking a mass fleet at the same time would cause massive lag, all the ships would then ram each other outside station making it impossible to warp out even if your not scrambled. When u jump in, u simply align, get out of bubbles and warp. With 30 or even 20~ bs's undocking, whatever way u went to get out of the scrum, some1 else would most likely go the same way stopping u from doing so. On top of that, theres no chance for a regroup command, whoever undocks first and finishes his 30 second invunerablity period dies first. Everyone also has 30 seconds to get aquinted with thier primary target. Honestly I don't see any real difference. People will die either way, people will CTD either way and the BS numbers are fairly equal. The time it takes to get out of the way from the other BS undocking is roughly the same as it is to get out of the worst placement in the bubbles. Besides... they shouldn't all have been in the station in the first place unless they followed Gronsak's stupid advice of all docking and burying their head in the sand. "We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago." RKK Ranking: (MIN14) Sama
Plutoinum	Posted - 2006.05.06 10:39:00 - [104] Edited by: Plutoinum on 06/05/2006 10:40:25 Originally by: Kryztal Im a BoB carebear come kill me. You fail to realize our carebears are pvp'rs as well. Thats a tactic that cripples most alliances out there but if you think thats gonna hurt BoB in any way then think again. Yes that's quite impressing. BoB seems to run more than one hundred poses in their space for everything from t2 production to complex farming and that with their pvp folk. I don't think that guerilla warfare makes any sense against some experienced pvp people with this high degree of organization. I respect that and if they fall, then to a strong force, maybe a coalition that has the numbers, wealth and reaches the same level of organization. I've no clue, if this happens this year, but things have become really interesting since the disbanding and reforming of many alliances and since BoBs standing reset. I like it. P.S.: I'm just stating my personal opinion here.
Malken	Posted - 2006.05.06 10:49:00 - [105] buy up all the alcohol in the galaxy and Blacklight will go insane with cravings and kill everyone. Quote: [05:17:46] Obiareus > freindlies dock or safespot [05:17:51] Obiareus > YOU CANNOT WIN
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.05.06 10:51:00 - [106] Just trust me Nifel, jumping in and undocking are 2 greatly different things. Ive done both. U simply cant organise an undocked mess compared to a spread out similtanously uncloaking hollow sphere of ships. Seems we got mixed up bizarre, i thought we were talking generally. Yes if there was a hostile takeover of our space(theroretically if we had any) we would have no choice but to throw everything and anything we had at you to stop it, however, if that just became futile attempts that werent really doing any damage, it would become pointless and a more realistic goal would need to be set.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.06 10:59:00 - [107] Edited by: Gronsak on 06/05/2006 11:02:37 Originally by: Alexison Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 05/05/2006 19:23:39 simple steps to improve your alliance! you do not need to fight! if a force of 50BS are outside it doesnt mean you should undock with your 60BS and fight them, specily if the targets can replace ships easily while you cant! I think your whole post falls on this very "simple" advice. Why even bother playing if you dont wanna undock 60 bs to pwn a 50bs fleet? if you know you will pawn the 50BS by all means go out and do it but if u are gona take 50 losses to kill those 50BS and your allaince/corp cant offord those losses then its best not to fight the fights where u take losses. IE minimise losses! also if the 50man allaince can jump right back into 50BS and kock on your door the next day and only half your fleet is back in BS then it wasnt a wise move was it! and ofcourse as someone pointed out: Undocking a mass fleet at the same time would cause massive lag, all the ships would then ram each other outside station making it impossible to warp out even if your not scrambled. When u jump in, u simply align, get out of bubbles and warp. With 30 or even 20~ bs's undocking, whatever way u went to get out of the scrum, some1 else would most likely go the same way stopping u from doing so. On top of that, theres no chance for a regroup command, whoever undocks first and finishes his 30 second invunerablity period dies first. Everyone also has 30 seconds to get aquinted with thier primary target. -------------------Sig----------------------- Boost the raven, i dont know how since its got great volley damage, massive range, any damage type, overpowered tank BUT BOOOOOOOSTTTT them raveneeeeen
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.06 11:06:00 - [108] Originally by: Bizarre Who cares about the losses, it's all about kills! no thats a big mistake imo, unless ofcourse you have a great deal more resources than your target! if u kill 60ships but loose 50 ships in my eyes thats not a win at all, thats just seeing who has more resources! personally if u loose more than 1 ship per 3 equil kills its not a very sucessfull op! also if u jump into a bigger fleet say 50vs 75. and you kill 74 of them! and they kill all 50 of you, if they then collect the cans the win is theirs although u might of got the higher no of kills! its the resource damage that you inflit that counts, which is basicly the kill to death ratio. not the total kills without considering the losses! -------------------Sig----------------------- Boost the raven, i dont know how since its got great volley damage, massive range, any damage type, overpowered tank BUT BOOOOOOOSTTTT them raveneeeeen
Threx	Posted - 2006.05.06 11:08:00 - [109] Edited by: Threx on 06/05/2006 11:09:04 I don't know what game you guys are watching but in this one no alliance that I know of has ever been squashed out of existance by someone else purely because it cant happen an alliance will stay alive untill A) they decide there is no further point to keep the alliance name due to lack of members B) foyle steals all your alliances money and then runs off with it to make her own in a fit of PMS C) internal diminshing moral/strife all you can hope to do is hurry along the inevitable watering down of dedicated members into something slightly resembling XETIC or just the natural collapse of the alliance into it self. moral is the strongest part of an alliance if your miners arnt happy they sure in hell will make sure your not happy and visa versa
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.05.06 11:44:00 - [110] Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 06/05/2006 11:44:43 Originally by: Gronsak no thats a big mistake imo, unless ofcourse you have a great deal more resources than your target! if u kill 60ships but loose 50 ships in my eyes thats not a win at all, thats just seeing who has more resources! personally if u loose more than 1 ship per 3 equil kills its not a very sucessfull op! also if u jump into a bigger fleet say 50vs 75. and you kill 74 of them! and they kill all 50 of you, if they then collect the cans the win is theirs although u might of got the higher no of kills! its the resource damage that you inflit that counts, which is basicly the kill to death ratio. not the total kills without considering the losses! but then again in evol your getting ur ships replaced for free! but someone mins/npc/works for the new ship you just got for "free" Battleship can be replased. Fast. If you lose 60 Bs agains enemy 50 BS and manage to hold an tactical victory (holding pos/station or battlefield) you still proffit more in the long run. BoB dont care a rats ass abaut Numerical victory, ever move BoB make is to achive long term victory. (and if they ahive numercal victory, its cause bob is simpply beter anyway.) Thats why BoB > * [23] Member: BoB Alt BoB is continuing its ruin EVE campaing...

Plutoinum	Posted - 2006.05.06 11:56:00 - [111] Edited by: Plutoinum on 06/05/2006 11:57:48 Originally by: Threx I don't know what game you guys are watching but in this one no alliance that I know of has ever been squashed out of existance by someone else purely because it cant happen an alliance will stay alive untill If they disband or not is pointless imho. A historical moment would be, if BoB had to give up Delve and could't come back for some time. And I hope that BoB finally doesn't lose power due to internal problems or being bored, but in a real blast against another force of similar strength. Everything else would be boring. ... sorry for BoB thread whoring, but full cluster
Markie	Posted - 2006.05.06 12:00:00 - [112] I think that not sitting in a POS would be a good tactic to start with.
Smith	Posted - 2006.05.06 12:14:00 - [113] You can destroy alliances but it requires planning and adaptability. For sure you will get the hobo die hards who will never say die. Look what happened to Xetic, PA(ver2.32), NBSI and FE Step 1. You need to inflict a significant beating. The more the better. Step 2. Live in their faces. Step 3. Give ways out with certain conditions. (Optional) Step 4. More beatdown. If you stick to these terms *****s will appear and the alliance will start to break apart as the internal politics take a hold and create wounds that cannot be healed.


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