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Silverbackyererse
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Posted - 2014.04.03 05:51:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:
Wait a minute!!!!!
Caldari are the Dark Side and always have been.
Gallente are those little fuzzy Ewoks who are part of the 'good guys'.
Yah, I always thought Caldari were the bad guys too. All that local chat I see about being really bad must be bure pollocks.
Anyhows........what's all this about Innia? Can someone explain in under 25 real words, preferably in an orderly fashion, what has happened please? |
Yang Aurilen
Summary Executions Test Alliance Please Ignore
78
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Posted - 2014.04.03 06:10:00 -
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Silverbackyererse wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:
Wait a minute!!!!!
Caldari are the Dark Side and always have been.
Gallente are those little fuzzy Ewoks who are part of the 'good guys'.
Yah, I always thought Caldari were the bad guys too. All that local chat I see about being really bad must be bure pollocks. Anyhows........what's all this about Innia? Can someone explain in under 25 real words, preferably in an orderly fashion, what has happened please? TEST left, Innia died. jk. Innia just got flipped when for several months it was a major calmil home system with hundreds in local at any given time. |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
705
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Posted - 2014.04.03 07:00:00 -
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Trolling aside, most people like Scylus and Mira are too hard on their own militia. You bite off more than you can chew by trying to scale uniform fleet comps beyond 20+ pilots. Sure, Gallente achieves some level of uniformity beyond 20+ pilots at the plex fighting level. But we're more the exception than the rule. Don't compare yourself to that. If you do, you're just gonna beat yourself over the head and rage in the process.
Heck, I hear FCs on my side whine and complain about lack of uniformity when they try to do something beyond T1 Cruisers with fleets beyond 20+. They just don't understand that militia fleets can't scale at that level. Especially when you try to integrate multiple corps/alliances into the fleet. If you want discipline and conformity, keep it small and between 1-2 corps. There are numerous case studies on multiple militia corps who have shown that it can work, past and present.
As for Innia, it was a horrible system to live in and I like to think Caldari were put out of their misery with being evicted. There is better real estate out there than Innia.
High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
82
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Posted - 2014.04.03 07:52:00 -
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people give ***** about FW systems ?
I wonder why so many people mind taking all the FW space i.e. not loosing it.
Yaay for offensive plexing. controlling a majority of the FW space pretty much sucks. at least thats my expierence so far.
The plexing is bad and you cant sustain it anyway. |
Silverbackyererse
45
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Posted - 2014.04.03 09:29:00 -
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Luwc wrote:people give ***** about FW systems ?
I wonder why so many people mind taking all the FW space i.e. not loosing it.
Yaay for offensive plexing. controlling a majority of the FW space pretty much sucks. at least thats my expierence so far.
The plexing is bad and you cant sustain it anyway.
I don't think many people care too deeply about FW systems or warzone control in general.
They do care about inconveniencing the 'enemy' and gaining the bragging rights when a system gets flipped - particularly if the system is home to a corporation(s) or alliance(s) of relevance.
There's a lot of faffing around in FW where nothing of any major consequence occurs for long periods but sometimes the stars align and a really good prolonged fight for a piece of real estate occurs.
For me personally, those occasions are what keeps me in this part of the game. It's cheap, fast, furious and a whole lot of fun.
Yeah, I could do without spending meaningless hours chasing farmers from plexes but you know what, even that can be viewed as a challenge if you have a particular mindset. Lately I've started trying to sell 'plexing permits' for the farmers who frequent Ladistier. No one has yet taken me up on the offer (and I doubt anyone ever will) but I've gotten some good conversations going with one or few of them. It's almost therapeutic to put a face on the faceless.
The game is what you make it. You always seem to get out what you put in. Maybe you need to put more in?
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2127
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Posted - 2014.04.03 11:30:00 -
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Silverbackyererse wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:
Wait a minute!!!!!
Caldari are the Dark Side and always have been.
Gallente are those little fuzzy Ewoks who are part of the 'good guys'.
Yah, I always thought Caldari were the bad guys too. All that local chat I see about being really bad must be bure pollocks. Anyhows........what's all this about Innia? Can someone explain in under 25 real words, preferably in an orderly fashion, what has happened please?
Gallente attacked the home system of Innia starting Sunday before downtime. It flipped Tuesday about 10 hours after downtime. I have 6 words to spare!
Crap, just used them up. Now I'm above the limit.
And remember, from Diana Kim's perspective it is the Gallente that are evil! .
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
1065
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Posted - 2014.04.03 12:53:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Silverbackyererse wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:
Wait a minute!!!!!
Caldari are the Dark Side and always have been.
Gallente are those little fuzzy Ewoks who are part of the 'good guys'.
Yah, I always thought Caldari were the bad guys too. All that local chat I see about being really bad must be bure pollocks. Anyhows........what's all this about Innia? Can someone explain in under 25 real words, preferably in an orderly fashion, what has happened please? Gallente attacked the home system of Innia starting Sunday before downtime. It flipped Tuesday about 10 hours after downtime. I have 6 words to spare! Crap, just used them up. Now I'm above the limit. And remember, from Diana Kim's perspective it is the Gallente that are evil! .
Caldari are deffos the baddies.
Here are the home defense discussions we had before the Gallente push on Enaluri to prove it. Defense discussion
Seems I look a lot shorter on film.
Docked since 2009. |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
365
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Posted - 2014.04.03 17:09:00 -
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CalMil - please come take Innia back. I actually had to fly all the way to Aldranette from Eha to find one of my fights last night.
I demand my instant action back. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Scylus Black
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
73
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Posted - 2014.04.03 23:03:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Trolling aside, most people like Scylus and Mira are too hard on their own militia. You bite off more than you can chew by trying to scale uniform fleet comps beyond 20+ pilots. Sure, Gallente achieves some level of uniformity beyond 20+ pilots at the plex fighting level. But we're more the exception than the rule. Don't compare yourself to that. If you do, you're just gonna beat yourself over the head and rage in the process.
That would be Mira. I get hate mail when I run a T1 Frigate Fleet ;) We could probably use some uniformity.
Scylus Black - CEO / Executor Templis-áCALSF Alliance Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry http://www.caldaridefense.com/
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Ig Asho
Stronghold of the Condemned The Bloc
6
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Posted - 2014.04.04 00:32:00 -
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I for one am happy to not have to deal with the long warps for a while. Props to perunga for the fun he spent with us :) |
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Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
147
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:56:00 -
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I play Titanfall for a week and Innia falls?
:( |
GavinGoodrich
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.04.04 16:16:00 -
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Hrett wrote:CalMil - please come take Innia back. I actually had to fly all the way to Aldranette from Eha to find one of my fights last night.
I demand my instant action back.
Aaaaaaaand it's started. I always balked at pushing offense, 'cause frankly it's never gonna be as fun as it was when we lived next door to each other. So much fun. Gonna miss that, but hunting goons day in and day out is pretty damn fun too.
Was the easiest damn thing to scout, too! 3/4 or more of the major players were within 4j of our home, including pies! But yeah I'm on Mira's side with the lack of good fleet doctrines day in and day out. Twice I brought a carrier to a major fight where a good chunk of us, if not the majority, were in t1 cruisers for support. Nope, not anymore GÖÑ
If any of you get super bored, c'mon up to NPC Pure Blind. Major target-rich environment within 4j any direction of us, and the guys that live here are active. SoE/Mordus level 4's for monies, near many 0.0 entrance points.
In FW, winning is losing. Long live the warGäó Haaaaaalp my head's on fire |
Scylus Black
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
73
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Posted - 2014.04.05 00:22:00 -
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Hrett wrote:CalMil - please come take Innia back. I actually had to fly all the way to Aldranette from Eha to find one of my fights last night.
I demand my instant action back.
Next time let us live in peace ;)
Scylus Black - CEO / Executor Templis-áCALSF Alliance Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry http://www.caldaridefense.com/
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Niden
Moira. Villore Accords
32
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Posted - 2014.04.09 07:50:00 -
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I wrote a little something on the subject on Crossing Zebras, you can read it here.
/N Moira. corp | Villore Accords alliance | Gallente militia | Crossing Zebras writer @Niden_GMVA |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
91
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Posted - 2014.04.09 11:44:00 -
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LF>JF service with 2 bil collat. |
PrettyMuch Always Right
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:20:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:I helped as much as you guys helped with Enaluri. And again. 'I told you so' Fu*k I love being right all the time. Try being me.
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Vamprina Maximus
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:05:00 -
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So coming back from a month break finding Innia capped, I have to ask... why? Everyone in the FW forum wants to ***** about the farmers and lack of fights, then you go and cap the Caldari base where fleets formed.
Will someone please explain how this benefits anyone who likes to pvp in fleets?
You have chosen to chase down stabbed farmers instead of fleets now because there's no convenient place to re-ship, and I am betting most people with millions in ships at innia just dropped FW altogether to get their crap out.
Less targets is a good thing right?
Capping Innia = great for bragging rights.. absolute garbage for faction WARFARE. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2138
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:48:00 -
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We have liberated you from those soul-sucking 100AU warps. You're welcome. (You can run fleets out of any other system, btw) |
Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
39
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:09:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:You can run fleets out of any other system, btw
IMPOSSIBRU!!!! |
Ayuren Aakiwa
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Heiian Conglomerate
100
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:21:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:We have liberated you from those soul-sucking 100AU warps. You're welcome. (You can run fleets out of any other system, btw)
Wait your telling me there are systems besides innia?! Street Rules ***** idgaf |
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Vamprina Maximus
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:32:00 -
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Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:X Gallentius wrote:We have liberated you from those soul-sucking 100AU warps. You're welcome. (You can run fleets out of any other system, btw) Wait your telling me there are systems besides innia?!
You'll have to enlighten me if there is, because I asked around and there's nothing happening but farming random systems, and the population for innia - eha shows less than 10 people. No one in militia seems to be aware of any other system people are fleeting out of either.
FW really needs faction strongholds to be anything other than an LP farm. |
Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
39
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:33:00 -
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Vamprina Maximus wrote:Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:X Gallentius wrote:We have liberated you from those soul-sucking 100AU warps. You're welcome. (You can run fleets out of any other system, btw) Wait your telling me there are systems besides innia?! You'll have to enlighten me if there is, because I asked around and there's nothing happening but farming random systems, and the population for innia - eha shows less than 10 people. No one in militia seems to be aware of any other system people are fleeting out of either. FW really needs faction strongholds to be anything other than an LP farm.
Join a corp or alliance and behold! You can live with them. |
Vamprina Maximus
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:45:00 -
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Combatevolved wrote:Vamprina Maximus wrote:Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:X Gallentius wrote:We have liberated you from those soul-sucking 100AU warps. You're welcome. (You can run fleets out of any other system, btw) Wait your telling me there are systems besides innia?! You'll have to enlighten me if there is, because I asked around and there's nothing happening but farming random systems, and the population for innia - eha shows less than 10 people. No one in militia seems to be aware of any other system people are fleeting out of either. FW really needs faction strongholds to be anything other than an LP farm. Join a corp or alliance and behold! You can live with them.
Until their system is capped..
If I wanted to join a pvp corp, I would waste my time in null like I used to. |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
712
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:46:00 -
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Vamprina Maximus wrote:So coming back from a month break finding Innia capped, I have to ask... why? Everyone in the FW forum wants to ***** about the farmers and lack of fights, then you go and cap the Caldari base where fleets formed.
Will someone please explain how this benefits anyone who likes to pvp in fleets?
You have chosen to chase down stabbed farmers instead of fleets now because there's no convenient place to re-ship, and I am betting most people with millions in ships at innia just dropped FW altogether to get their crap out.
Less targets is a good thing right?
Capping Innia = great for bragging rights.. absolute garbage for faction WARFARE.
Depends on who you talk to in Gallente. But there is no uniform answer. Some just wanted to kick Caldari out for epeen reasons. Or to show how scrub they are. Others wanted them to stay for the sake of 'GFs'. It is true that the eviction has resulted in attrition of pilots. But some just argue that it's survival of the fittest and if you can't handle being kicked out of a system, then don't play FW.
Lesser targets is not a good thing. But no one said ever said rationality ruled the minds of men in battle :)
This is the 3rd time I've seen Caldari failcascade since I've been in FW. No doubt, they will make a come back in due time.
If you're looking for a new lowsec home, the rest of Caldari can be found in Ladistier, Asakai, or Hykanima. High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
Vamprina Maximus
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.04.11 18:17:00 -
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Thanks for the info, I'll check those areas out.
In the future I hope everyone can agree on BLOCKADING faction bases and gate camping... way more fun then roaming around empty plex's alone. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2138
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Posted - 2014.04.11 18:21:00 -
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Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:Wait your telling me there are systems besides innia?! Yes, it's called Asakai.
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
180
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Posted - 2014.04.11 18:22:00 -
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Vamprina Maximus wrote:Thanks for the info, I'll check those areas out.
In the future I hope everyone can agree on BLOCKADING faction bases and gate camping... way more fun then roaming around empty plex's alone.
Not going to happen. BLFOX is currently recruiting |
Taoist Dragon
Sh1t Happens. And then you die.
935
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:25:00 -
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Vamprina Maximus wrote:Thanks for the info, I'll check those areas out.
In the future I hope everyone can agree on BLOCKADING faction bases and gate camping... way more fun then roaming around empty plex's alone.
Blockading?! and gate camping fun?!?
You need to move back to null or join a pirate bear group mate if you find that fun. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Vamprina Maximus
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:57:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:Vamprina Maximus wrote:Thanks for the info, I'll check those areas out.
In the future I hope everyone can agree on BLOCKADING faction bases and gate camping... way more fun then roaming around empty plex's alone. Blockading?! and gate camping fun?!? You need to move back to null or join a pirate bear group mate if you find that fun.
Well..
Lets be honest here.... Everyone always complains about the lack of fights in faction warfare and cloaky stabbers yadda yadda.. but the truth is, the last thing anybody seems to want to do is get into a fair fight on the field.
While Innia was up and running, the majority of fleets on both sides were roaming gate camps.. because lets face it, you want to give your opponent as little chance as possible to fight back,
HOWEVER.. with Innia up and running you did have regular fleet matchups off the gates and it was fun. Apparently Innia was vulnerable for a number of reasons and in true GATE CAMP fashion it was assaulted through off peak hours during downtime when there would be little resistance. Perfect military maneuver that screwed up everything FUN about faction warfare.
It would have been far more fun for everyone involved to keep the kill mails rolling by blockading the entire system and harassing the station for as long as you wanted.
FUN-ENTERTAINMENT
As there is no real sovereignty over any of lowsec space, faction warfare is for FUN alone with no real long term purpose, in effect a theme park for pvpers.
I guess we can't have a healthy pvp system in place without having uncappable home systems because some people just don't understand the consequences of removing a team from the game.
All I can say is have fun roaming around your 50 star systems without a chance of encountering a fleet larger than 5 people. It sort of makes fleeting in general silly when you have no one to fight correct? Doesn't it make gate camps a little silly when the systems never see more than 10 people in a day?
OH, and capping Innia is freaking awesome for my stabbed LP farming alt, I never have to worry about a thing now!
- Everyone has the same **** to say about why faction warfare sucks, then they go out of their way to make sure all the things they say they hate, happen. |
Taoist Dragon
Sh1t Happens. And then you die.
935
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Posted - 2014.04.11 23:52:00 -
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I don't complain about the lack of fights in FW.
In fact it one of the reasons why I keep coming back. I get way more fights in FW than when I'm just being a general pirate. I can roam and look for fights when I;m in the mood or can chill a bit and bait in plex's (getting lp alone the way) when I'm not in the mood to roam.
FW is the only place I can support myself without the need to a specific pve grind activity (missions, exporation, incursions etc) and still be financially viable while I'm out pvp'ing
TBH to the people who want those bigger fleets, ship escalations etc just go pirate and operate like the other big blingy pirate outfits (hell you can stay in FW and do this) as that style isn't really conductive to FW play.
Stop trying to make FW something else. It is FW. If you want pirate/null style game play then go do that and leave FW to the FW'ers who want to be there. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
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