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Jowen Datloran
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 07/05/2006 15:49:55
Liberal supporter of average conviction. In particular I support the Hyasyoda mega corporation.
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Bosie
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Posted - 2006.05.07 18:47:00 -
[32]
Practicals - Strong
Bosie.
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Maze La'Zie
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Posted - 2006.05.07 19:12:00 -
[33]
From a liberal background (Ishukone) myself, but with a strong meritocratic bias.
I feel that the our system of government will, through competition between the corporations, come up with the correct policies for the State as a whole.
Therefore - if it is best for the State at a given time to have 'patriotic' policies, then the actions of the many will give rise to patriotic support where it is needed.
We need all three 'factions' and the uncountable subfactions and their subtle influences at the moment. If we did not, then I would expect to see them disappear. The strong will prosper, but the essential will survive until their time is right.
I suppose you could call me a meta-liberal  ...
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.07 19:59:00 -
[34]
 Originally by: DeadRow
I dont really like being labeled like this so i anit going to answer.
As the survey is directed towards Caldari State loyal citizens, and not at those simply of Caldari heritage, ,and the fact that you are not a Loyal citizen then there is of course no need for you to answer.
Indeed you would not have the right.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.07 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Maze La'Zie
From a liberal background (Ishukone) myself, but with a strong meritocratic bias.
I feel that the our system of government will, through competition between the corporations, come up with the correct policies for the State as a whole.
Therefore - if it is best for the State at a given time to have 'patriotic' policies, then the actions of the many will give rise to patriotic support where it is needed.
We need all three 'factions' and the uncountable subfactions and their subtle influences at the moment. If we did not, then I would expect to see them disappear. The strong will prosper, but the essential will survive until their time is right.
I suppose you could call me a meta-liberal ...
As this survey is a simple two question multiple choice answer affair could you please state simply your faction affilitation (if any) and the strength of your conviction in that faction (if any)
Discussion on the factions themselves will no doubt result from this survey but for the sake of not confusing the survey (ie me as im comipling it) please stick to the point
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
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Solarus Invictus
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Posted - 2006.05.07 20:41:00 -
[36]
Patroit
Strong
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DeadRow
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Posted - 2006.05.07 22:07:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Strikeclone
Originally by: DeadRow
I dont really like being labeled like this so i anit going to answer.
As the survey is directed towards Caldari State loyal citizens, and not at those simply of Caldari heritage, ,and the fact that you are not a Loyal citizen then there is of course no need for you to answer.
Indeed you would not have the right.
I didnt say i wasnt loyal to the state or not- If the state calls for pilots i would answer.
I follow my own path, but i do not forget where i come from or the history of the state.
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Maze La'Zie
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Posted - 2006.05.07 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Strikeclone
Originally by: Maze La'Zie
From a liberal background (Ishukone) myself, but with a strong meritocratic bias.
I feel that the our system of government will, through competition between the corporations, come up with the correct policies for the State as a whole.
Therefore - if it is best for the State at a given time to have 'patriotic' policies, then the actions of the many will give rise to patriotic support where it is needed.
We need all three 'factions' and the uncountable subfactions and their subtle influences at the moment. If we did not, then I would expect to see them disappear. The strong will prosper, but the essential will survive until their time is right.
I suppose you could call me a meta-liberal ...
As this survey is a simple two question multiple choice answer affair could you please state simply your faction affilitation (if any) and the strength of your conviction in that faction (if any)
Discussion on the factions themselves will no doubt result from this survey but for the sake of not confusing the survey (ie me as im comipling it) please stick to the point
Alright - Liberal, Average (that's as close as I'll get given the criteria).
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.05.08 07:40:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Strikeclone
So try not to add hidden meanings to my simply question.
It's an old habit of mine to read between the lines and try to see things as they really are in stead of as they appear. In my old age, I grow paranoid, and my gravitometer is off.
My apologies for putting words in your mouth. I do still maintain that casting your stone with one of the aformentioned factions *is* supporting a certain set of corporations, but I accept at face value that this is not your goal.
Put me under 'practial' - 'somewhat'. Not fully accurate (referring to my last post), but it will suffice.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.08 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Strikeclone on 08/05/2006 17:05:04
Originally by: Beringe
It's an old habit of mine to read between the lines and try to see things as they really are in stead of as they appear. In my old age, I grow paranoid, and my gravitometer is off.
Well rest assured there is no reason to be paranoid in this instance, I'm simply curious to know where people stand.
Originally by: Beringe
My apologies for putting words in your mouth.
Thank you and accepted, mis-understandings must be corrected lest they be blown out of all proportion.
Originally by: Beringe
I do still maintain that casting your stone with one of the aformentioned factions *is* supporting a certain set of corporations
Well of course it is, we are a corporate nation, its part of what makes us so strong, also as the three factions i'm talking about are made up of the big eight who have defacto control of the State then as a loyal member of the State you must already have allegience to one or more of them.
Originally by: Beringe
but I accept at face value that this is not your goal.
My goal is very simply to get an answer to a very simply question it is really funny that some are trying to see more than there is to it...
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
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Derrys
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Posted - 2006.05.08 17:41:00 -
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Patriot, Strong.
However, don't take that "strong" to mean "warmongering bigot" as so many often do. True Patriots have an obligation to be thoughtful, to prefer economic influence over military conquest, and to search for new ways to improve the State, even if those ways originated with foreign powers.
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Admiral Derrys Otireya
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Yasujiro Kaibara
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Posted - 2006.05.08 19:17:00 -
[42]
Practical, Strong.
While on the ever-so-hot debate of Caldari Prime, I personally think that regaining this planet would be more of a burden to the State than anything. Why should the CEP have to deal with resupplying and rejuvenating the land that most of us once called 'home' when all it is now is a crater inhabitited largely by Federals? Do you all think the Gallenteans will magically disappear from the surface, and the kresh trees will regrow and flourish as they once did before?
I think not.
Retaking Caldari Prime would be a very long, and very tedious political--if not military, process. It would cost us millions of lives and ISK alike for a simple rock in the middle of Luminaire. Let the Federals deal with it. We have a new beginning, and a clean slate, in New Caldari. This, is our new 'home.' Why should we abandon it? Although, I can't really blame all the so-called 'Patriots' here for wanting to retake it, with all the Kaalakiota propaganda that's constantly being spewed at you. It must've gotten to your opinions sooner or later, hmm? But this is far beyond the point.
The Practical faction knows what's good for the State. By being a powerhouse of trade and industry, we don't need to hire thugs and have a massive Navy in order to regain what was once lost. When the Federals realize just how much they've been relying on us for their goods and being the consumer base of our markets, things will change. Not by laying on the ground and letting them trample all over us, like the Liberals would, or by letting our guns do the talking, as the hot-headed 'Patriots' put it, but by having the other empires rely on us to a point where they will fear us should we simply decide to say 'no.' That is power, my friends. And that, is what that State should be.
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Derrys
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Posted - 2006.05.08 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Yasujiro Kaibara
The Practical faction knows what's good for the State. By being a powerhouse of trade and industry, we don't need to hire thugs and have a massive Navy in order to regain what was once lost.
But an economic powerhouse without a strong military invites invasion. The only stable solution is a strong economy supporting a strong military. This gives us a nonviolent "carrot" with which to effect change, but also a "stick" we can hold in reserve to deter a violent response -- the best of both worlds. A large military also encourages innovation and technological advance, which is where the true strength of today's State lies.
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or by letting our guns do the talking, as the hot-headed 'Patriots' put it
Not all Patriots are hot-headed, and not all support the use of force to achieve our goals, either short- or long-term. It's true that most of us support a large navy, but remember, increased military spending saves lives, on all sides. The wise man learns to fight because he knows it lessens the changes he will have to.
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Yasujiro Kaibara
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Posted - 2006.05.08 21:18:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Derrys
But an economic powerhouse without a strong military invites invasion. The only stable solution is a strong economy supporting a strong military. This gives us a nonviolent "carrot" with which to effect change, but also a "stick" we can hold in reserve to deter a violent response -- the best of both worlds. A large military also encourages innovation and technological advance, which is where the true strength of today's State lies.
Not all Patriots are hot-headed, and not all support the use of force to achieve our goals, either short- or long-term. It's true that most of us support a large navy, but remember, increased military spending saves lives, on all sides. The wise man learns to fight because he knows it lessens the changes he will have to.
Precisely my point, Admiral.
Would you agree that the Caldari Navy is in fact the most powerful and most effective navy in the entire galaxy? Would you agree that it could win whatever war lies on the horizon, and that funds should now be diverted from military buildup to economical opportunities?
I personally believe that the "stick" you've spoken of already lies in our hands, and that the "carrot" seeds have only been sown, and not watered. This is the point I am trying to defend, Admiral. Why should the State further pursue establishing itself as a gun-toting thug when it can change course and firmly impress others as a well-mannered businessman?
In the case of a war, what most 'Patriots' do not realize is that there are three fronts. The battlefield, the economy, and the politics. Ignore one, and you have lost. Luckily enough, we are not at war, and we should take this opportunity to boost our economical might. You can't have your weapons and ammunition without transport, research and manufacture, after all.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.08 21:40:00 -
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Admiral Derrys,
Thank you for your comments, it is precisely why I have used somewhat vague measurements of support like strong, average, etc so that no one may assume anything. Even within the factions there are differing views on exactly what there is to be done and how it is to be done.
That is a discussion for another thread, here I just wish to collect information on the general views of the State pod pilot community.
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2006.05.09 18:12:00 -
[46]
Strong Economical
Think that describes me best.
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Na'Thuul
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:58:00 -
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I renounce the caldari state entirely.
My allegiance lies with the Sani Sabik Covenant, and none other.
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John Bishop
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Posted - 2006.05.10 02:36:00 -
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patriot strong. but i am not a warmonger either.
i would answer any call by the state reguarding its wellbeing and dispatch the enimes of the state swiftly.
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sorry for the spelling and gramtic errors,,, im a redneck cowboy what did you expect anyways????
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Joskken Inx
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Posted - 2006.05.10 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Solarus Invictus
Patroit
Strong
Lets go get Caldari Prime back.
/signed and friggin' stamped. Patriot. Strong.
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Ren Tales
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Posted - 2006.05.10 03:59:00 -
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Patriot, Strong.
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2006.05.10 08:39:00 -
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I guess I'm labled as Industrial.
Then you can set me down as Neutral, Neutral, Neutral.
With a strong dislike of all things labled piracy and preying on the weak.
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Horatio Cain
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Posted - 2006.05.10 18:11:00 -
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Faction-Sentinel Security
Conviction-Strong
The State is my home and the place of my birth. It has made me strong and my will stronger. I wish to see it succeed and thrive, but I will only do as much for The State as it has done for me. Self-Reliance and personal intiative are the two greatest lessons my home sovereignty has taught me.
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draken shugar
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Posted - 2006.05.10 18:26:00 -
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strong patriot |
Yuki Li
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:49:00 -
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Just plain Caldari, Strong.
Formerly Ishukone, but that's a lesson learned about megacorporations.
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Abe Stormbreaker
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Abe Stormbreaker on 12/05/2006 18:46:44
Patriots, Strong/Militant
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Angel Vengen
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Posted - 2006.05.12 19:42:00 -
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Patriot, Strong allthough on hold.
I love nothing more than the State and would answer a call to arms almost instantly, but as of right now I am a Merc. I do not regret my choice but as I said, I will be one of the first on the line at a recruitment office if I am called upon.
Originally by: Nyxus
Yes but the Apoc is kind of like a mullet - business in the front, party in the back.
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Gorion Wassenar
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Posted - 2006.05.12 20:10:00 -
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Was Strong Liberal
Now its average Liberal with leanings to weak Patriot
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.13 02:36:00 -
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The survey is now closed.
I wish to thank you all for your answers, especially those answers which actually addressed the question of the survey.
Results shall be posted in due course.
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.05.13 16:08:00 -
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It will be interesting to see what conclusions you can draw from 28 capsuleers opinions, expressed in profoundly simple terms. Terms which, as far as one can see from your comments, were not up for mature or rational discussion.
For "another time" then eh?
This survey was and is <end communication>
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.05.13 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey
It will be interesting to see what conclusions you can draw from 28 capsuleers opinions, expressed in profoundly simple terms. Terms which, as far as one can see from your comments, were not up for mature or rational discussion.
The survey itself is clearly statistically irrelevant, but those few who did explain their position did have some interesting things to say, even if the one doing the survey didn't care for it.
In particular, it was interesting to see who would stand up and be counted amongst one faction or another, as well as who didn't.
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