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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.06 04:12:00 -
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All Caldari State citizens are requested to submit their vote on which of the three factions they most identify with or to register their neutral stance.
Please indicate your affiliation by stating your faction name and the strength of your conviction.
Faction List
Patriots
Practicals
Liberals
Conviction indication
Strong
Average
Somewhat
The data collected will be presented in a future publication, also submitions will be accepted via direct neocom contact.
Thank you for your time
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2006.05.06 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Silver Night on 06/05/2006 04:50:43
Liberals, as a supporter of Ishukone. Probably in the area around somewhat to average.
Edit: Course, on the other hand, I do take a certain joy in watching Gallente Navy ships burst into little pieces following soem encouragement on my part.
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Caldari Patriot.
Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
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Arashi Miike
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Posted - 2006.05.06 08:00:00 -
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Practical, average.
"I should have been a pair of ragged claws/
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Yarod Cool
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Posted - 2006.05.06 08:50:00 -
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It's not a secret that I'm a Liberal. As CEO of a small, independent corp that supports CONCORD and hires many foreign pilots, I'd call that strongly Liberal.
--Yarod Cool
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2006.05.06 10:36:00 -
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Patriot - Strong
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SIlver Saint
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Posted - 2006.05.06 10:48:00 -
[6]
Faction List
Patriots
Conviction indication
Somewhat
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Irias Salo
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Posted - 2006.05.06 11:22:00 -
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Patriot, Strong.
Join APEX Unlimited today for exciting employment opportunities.
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Avena
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Posted - 2006.05.06 11:43:00 -
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Liberals and Strong, of course.
Well, I guess being part of the Gariushi family would dictate that.
My father thanks you for your service to Ishukone, Mr. Night.
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Vlada Milani
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Posted - 2006.05.06 11:54:00 -
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Practicals, average. Some occasional leanings and sympathy toward the Patriots.
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.05.06 12:55:00 -
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The categorisation of people into "Patriotic", "Practical" and "Liberal" seems a bit arbitrary.
Can I ask what it is your publication seeks to research or say based on these answers?
I know, and am blessed to work with, State citizens who fall into all three categories, each of them an invaluable asset to the Caldari people and their cause.
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Steiner
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Posted - 2006.05.06 12:56:00 -
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Practical - Average
Patriot - Average
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Steiner
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Posted - 2006.05.06 13:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Nooey
The categorisation of people into "Patriotic", "Practical" and "Liberal" seems a bit arbitrary.
Can I ask what it is your publication seeks to research or say based on these answers?
I know, and am blessed to work with, State citizens who fall into all three categories, each of them an invaluable asset to the Caldari people and their cause.
I guess he just wants to know what we working on within the State?
Those "factions" aint something you will be fighting for, just working for. We all fight for the State as whole.
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Leon 026
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Posted - 2006.05.06 14:55:00 -
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Patriot / Average-strong
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2006.05.06 15:27:00 -
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If there was ever an opportunity to cease the perpetuance of that awful stereotype that all Caldari are just tagged, numbered, and stamped automatons, this would not be it.
*grins*
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.05.06 17:09:00 -
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I am an ex-agent of SuVee, and in those days I would have been considered a strongly affiliated practical.
After my exile (don't ask), I had high hopes for Ishukone and liberalism. The time felt right for change - the State was cooperating with the Federation on the Crielere project and all seemed to be well.
Duplicity in the command structure of Ishukone, displayed in several events that followed (I will not voice them, although I have more than suspicion) have severely eroded my trust.
Today, you might say I hover between practical and liberal, with a fairly weak conviction. Not that most will care, since neither my work for the State nor the Federation (yes, for a time) is likely to endear me to those involved.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.05.06 17:14:00 -
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I agree with Nooey that these categories are fairly arbitrary, although I know what they refer to.
I believe that Strikeclone is asking about loyalties towards the big three (Sukuuvestaa, Ishukone and Kaalakiota) who are the biggest shareholders of the State and de-facto leaders of the CEO panel. Possibly, he is fishing for corporate ties between the smaller pod-pilot run corps and the B3.
There was an outsider written article on this a while back.
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"Never underestimate the power of language."
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Wolfgang Jager
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Posted - 2006.05.06 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Wolfgang Jager on 06/05/2006 20:57:52
Speaking solely for myself, I am strongly in the Patriot camp. Although I do agree that the labels are needlessly divisive in a time when a more unified front is needed.
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Sammira
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Posted - 2006.05.06 22:42:00 -
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Practical, Strong of course, though I do have many many contacts within the Liberal and Patriot faction . . . more patriots I do note . . . though I do not get many chances to meet face to face these days what with my obligations planetside.
Drink StarsiÖ + [DS] Haulage
Production Division
Caldari State Citizen
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Vincae
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Posted - 2006.05.07 00:33:00 -
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Practical
Average
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.05.07 02:00:00 -
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I'm familiar with the perception that the B3 fall into those categories. I'm just more familiar however, with memories of how they don't.
It seems I wouldn't even be the only one with examples of how Ishukone are hardly liberal.
How unsurprising though, that they would be one of the first to come here and enlist as such, pepetuating the perception that they are anything but two-faced psychopaths.
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2006.05.07 02:07:00 -
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I thought liberal felt right until Ishukone ransacked my home. Now I can't say that I'm anything but Caldari.
Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com |
Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.05.07 03:05:00 -
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Strong Patriot.
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Phoenixhawk
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Posted - 2006.05.07 03:10:00 -
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Strong Practical
Stay Chilly & Watch Your Six!
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.07 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey
The categorisation of people into "Patriotic", "Practical" and "Liberal" seems a bit arbitrary.
There is nothing arbitrary about this simple survey, and the categories are with regard to an individuals political leaning not the actual person themselves.
So please keep your weak attempt at derailments to yourself.
Originally by: Nooey
Can I ask what it is your publication seeks to research or say based on these answers?
I am simply interested to know how my fellow residents of the State feel with regard to the very real and constant struggle for power and dominance in the CEP. The results of this survey will be published in the near future.
Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
If there was ever an opportunity to cease the perpetuance of that awful stereotype that all Caldari are just tagged, numbered, and stamped automatons, this would not be it.
*grins*
Citizens in the Caldari state are just as free to demonstrate political alleigence as they are in the gallente federation. I fail to see how this survey should in anyway show or reinforce any negative stereotypes you may have of the Caldari way.
Our strong economy and highly diciplined and effective military armed with cutting edge technology is a source of constant envy for the other under developed nations.
It is not supprising that petty jeleousies and demeaning stereotypes will be visited upon us by those less fortunate as a way of explaining our prosperity and their poverty as a result of universal bad luck an dunfairness and not the result of being workshy and lazy.
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
XV Squadron HQ
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.07 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
I agree with Nooey that these categories are fairly arbitrary, although I know what they refer to.
How are they arbitrary? They are the acknowledged and accepted names of the three factions/parties that currently control our CEP. These names are merely a reference to the factions general ideologies, nothing more, nothing less. People choose to belong to a given faction, they are not simply picked from a line up or by balot.
That would be the very definition of arbitrary
Originally by: Beringe
I believe that Strikeclone is asking about loyalties towards the big three (Sukuuvestaa, Ishukone and Kaalakiota) who are the biggest shareholders of the State and de-facto leaders of the CEO panel
You are incorrect and yet essentially right at the same time.
I have asked loyal Caldari citizens a very simply question. Which of the three factions do they support and how strong was their support. How ever as each of the three factions is essentially lead by the corporations you mentioned it could be argued that the question is also relevent to them.
However that was not the intent not the words of my question. So try not to add hidden meanings to my simply question.
Originally by: Beringe
Possibly, he is fishing for corporate ties between the smaller pod-pilot run corps and the B3.
I refer you to my earlier comments about adding hidden meanings where there are none.
Originally by: Nooey
I'm familiar with the perception that the B3 fall into those categories. I'm just more familiar however, with memories of how they don't.
These factions are a fact, their is no question of it bveing merely a figment of our imaginations. These factions battle on a daily basis, not yet in military terms but certainly on every other front.
You must remember that as with anything these factions and their ideologies are not stone straight jackets which must be adhered to like Amarr scriptures. They are groups of people who think and act along the same lines, it does not mean that they are not fluid and dynamic, they are and as such sometimes their individual and even their collective actions may differ slightly from the ideology inorder to deal with a given situation.
Originally by: Nooey
How unsurprising though, that they would be one of the first to come here and enlist as such, pepetuating the perception that they are anything but two-faced psychopaths.
This is a simple survey about the faction affiliations of loyal Caldari State citizens, if you are not a State citizen you will have no faction loyalty of relevence. And if you have no affiliation on which to comment then you have no comment to make.
This is not a political discussion group thread, that may come later so please as interesting as your comment maybe however incorrect please refrain from bringing them here and detracting from the purpose of the thread, thank you.
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
XV Squadron HQ
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:53:00 -
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Edited by: Ly''sol on 07/05/2006 07:53:48
<the odd "caldari" flickers on screen with and speaks with a very particular acent>
Mmm lets see. distrusted and left for dead...how about.
I dont fit into those convenient little ID tags. However if you want which of the mega corps i favor more than others. Lai Dai....
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:53:00 -
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You missed my point entirely.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.07 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: Strikeclone on 07/05/2006 08:02:49
Originally by: Nooey
You missed my point entirely.
Prehaps that is because you failed to make one.
It is not the readers job to understand the writer, so much as it is the writers job to make himself understood.
Its a simple concept, there are three power factions within the Caldari State governing body.
My survey is to simply find out the alliegence of loyal Caldari State citizens with regard to these three factions.
I have even made it a multiple choice answer, three answers too two seperate but related questions, with a fourth generic answer you don't have to answer at all
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2006.05.07 14:07:00 -
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I rather thought Kaleigh's comment was quite witty, frankly.
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DeadRow
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Posted - 2006.05.07 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Strikeclone
Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
If there was ever an opportunity to cease the perpetuance of that awful stereotype that all Caldari are just tagged, numbered, and stamped automatons, this would not be it.
*grins*
Citizens in the Caldari state are just as free to demonstrate political alleigence as they are in the gallente federation. I fail to see how this survey should in anyway show or reinforce any negative stereotypes you may have of the Caldari way.
Our strong economy and highly diciplined and effective military armed with cutting edge technology is a source of constant envy for the other under developed nations.
It is not supprising that petty jeleousies and demeaning stereotypes will be visited upon us by those less fortunate as a way of explaining our prosperity and their poverty as a result of universal bad luck an dunfairness and not the result of being workshy and lazy.
Cute comment- I dont really like being labeled like this so i anit going to answer. Tho its quite interesting what others have put.
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Jowen Datloran
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 07/05/2006 15:49:55
Liberal supporter of average conviction. In particular I support the Hyasyoda mega corporation.
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Bosie
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Posted - 2006.05.07 18:47:00 -
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Practicals - Strong
Bosie.
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Maze La'Zie
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Posted - 2006.05.07 19:12:00 -
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From a liberal background (Ishukone) myself, but with a strong meritocratic bias.
I feel that the our system of government will, through competition between the corporations, come up with the correct policies for the State as a whole.
Therefore - if it is best for the State at a given time to have 'patriotic' policies, then the actions of the many will give rise to patriotic support where it is needed.
We need all three 'factions' and the uncountable subfactions and their subtle influences at the moment. If we did not, then I would expect to see them disappear. The strong will prosper, but the essential will survive until their time is right.
I suppose you could call me a meta-liberal  ...
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.07 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: DeadRow
I dont really like being labeled like this so i anit going to answer.
As the survey is directed towards Caldari State loyal citizens, and not at those simply of Caldari heritage, ,and the fact that you are not a Loyal citizen then there is of course no need for you to answer.
Indeed you would not have the right.
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.07 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Maze La'Zie
From a liberal background (Ishukone) myself, but with a strong meritocratic bias.
I feel that the our system of government will, through competition between the corporations, come up with the correct policies for the State as a whole.
Therefore - if it is best for the State at a given time to have 'patriotic' policies, then the actions of the many will give rise to patriotic support where it is needed.
We need all three 'factions' and the uncountable subfactions and their subtle influences at the moment. If we did not, then I would expect to see them disappear. The strong will prosper, but the essential will survive until their time is right.
I suppose you could call me a meta-liberal ...
As this survey is a simple two question multiple choice answer affair could you please state simply your faction affilitation (if any) and the strength of your conviction in that faction (if any)
Discussion on the factions themselves will no doubt result from this survey but for the sake of not confusing the survey (ie me as im comipling it) please stick to the point
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
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Solarus Invictus
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Posted - 2006.05.07 20:41:00 -
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Patroit
Strong
Lets go get Caldari Prime back. |
DeadRow
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Posted - 2006.05.07 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Strikeclone
Originally by: DeadRow
I dont really like being labeled like this so i anit going to answer.
As the survey is directed towards Caldari State loyal citizens, and not at those simply of Caldari heritage, ,and the fact that you are not a Loyal citizen then there is of course no need for you to answer.
Indeed you would not have the right.
I didnt say i wasnt loyal to the state or not- If the state calls for pilots i would answer.
I follow my own path, but i do not forget where i come from or the history of the state.
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Maze La'Zie
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Posted - 2006.05.07 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Strikeclone
Originally by: Maze La'Zie
From a liberal background (Ishukone) myself, but with a strong meritocratic bias.
I feel that the our system of government will, through competition between the corporations, come up with the correct policies for the State as a whole.
Therefore - if it is best for the State at a given time to have 'patriotic' policies, then the actions of the many will give rise to patriotic support where it is needed.
We need all three 'factions' and the uncountable subfactions and their subtle influences at the moment. If we did not, then I would expect to see them disappear. The strong will prosper, but the essential will survive until their time is right.
I suppose you could call me a meta-liberal ...
As this survey is a simple two question multiple choice answer affair could you please state simply your faction affilitation (if any) and the strength of your conviction in that faction (if any)
Discussion on the factions themselves will no doubt result from this survey but for the sake of not confusing the survey (ie me as im comipling it) please stick to the point
Alright - Liberal, Average (that's as close as I'll get given the criteria).
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.05.08 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Strikeclone
So try not to add hidden meanings to my simply question.
It's an old habit of mine to read between the lines and try to see things as they really are in stead of as they appear. In my old age, I grow paranoid, and my gravitometer is off.
My apologies for putting words in your mouth. I do still maintain that casting your stone with one of the aformentioned factions *is* supporting a certain set of corporations, but I accept at face value that this is not your goal.
Put me under 'practial' - 'somewhat'. Not fully accurate (referring to my last post), but it will suffice.
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--Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles-- |
Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.08 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Strikeclone on 08/05/2006 17:05:04
Originally by: Beringe
It's an old habit of mine to read between the lines and try to see things as they really are in stead of as they appear. In my old age, I grow paranoid, and my gravitometer is off.
Well rest assured there is no reason to be paranoid in this instance, I'm simply curious to know where people stand.
Originally by: Beringe
My apologies for putting words in your mouth.
Thank you and accepted, mis-understandings must be corrected lest they be blown out of all proportion.
Originally by: Beringe
I do still maintain that casting your stone with one of the aformentioned factions *is* supporting a certain set of corporations
Well of course it is, we are a corporate nation, its part of what makes us so strong, also as the three factions i'm talking about are made up of the big eight who have defacto control of the State then as a loyal member of the State you must already have allegience to one or more of them.
Originally by: Beringe
but I accept at face value that this is not your goal.
My goal is very simply to get an answer to a very simply question it is really funny that some are trying to see more than there is to it...
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
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Derrys
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Posted - 2006.05.08 17:41:00 -
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Patriot, Strong.
However, don't take that "strong" to mean "warmongering bigot" as so many often do. True Patriots have an obligation to be thoughtful, to prefer economic influence over military conquest, and to search for new ways to improve the State, even if those ways originated with foreign powers.
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Admiral Derrys Otireya
Commander, Fleet Operations, Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Yasujiro Kaibara
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Posted - 2006.05.08 19:17:00 -
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Practical, Strong.
While on the ever-so-hot debate of Caldari Prime, I personally think that regaining this planet would be more of a burden to the State than anything. Why should the CEP have to deal with resupplying and rejuvenating the land that most of us once called 'home' when all it is now is a crater inhabitited largely by Federals? Do you all think the Gallenteans will magically disappear from the surface, and the kresh trees will regrow and flourish as they once did before?
I think not.
Retaking Caldari Prime would be a very long, and very tedious political--if not military, process. It would cost us millions of lives and ISK alike for a simple rock in the middle of Luminaire. Let the Federals deal with it. We have a new beginning, and a clean slate, in New Caldari. This, is our new 'home.' Why should we abandon it? Although, I can't really blame all the so-called 'Patriots' here for wanting to retake it, with all the Kaalakiota propaganda that's constantly being spewed at you. It must've gotten to your opinions sooner or later, hmm? But this is far beyond the point.
The Practical faction knows what's good for the State. By being a powerhouse of trade and industry, we don't need to hire thugs and have a massive Navy in order to regain what was once lost. When the Federals realize just how much they've been relying on us for their goods and being the consumer base of our markets, things will change. Not by laying on the ground and letting them trample all over us, like the Liberals would, or by letting our guns do the talking, as the hot-headed 'Patriots' put it, but by having the other empires rely on us to a point where they will fear us should we simply decide to say 'no.' That is power, my friends. And that, is what that State should be.
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Derrys
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Posted - 2006.05.08 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Yasujiro Kaibara
The Practical faction knows what's good for the State. By being a powerhouse of trade and industry, we don't need to hire thugs and have a massive Navy in order to regain what was once lost.
But an economic powerhouse without a strong military invites invasion. The only stable solution is a strong economy supporting a strong military. This gives us a nonviolent "carrot" with which to effect change, but also a "stick" we can hold in reserve to deter a violent response -- the best of both worlds. A large military also encourages innovation and technological advance, which is where the true strength of today's State lies.
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or by letting our guns do the talking, as the hot-headed 'Patriots' put it
Not all Patriots are hot-headed, and not all support the use of force to achieve our goals, either short- or long-term. It's true that most of us support a large navy, but remember, increased military spending saves lives, on all sides. The wise man learns to fight because he knows it lessens the changes he will have to.
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Admiral Derrys Otireya
Commander, Fleet Operations, Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Yasujiro Kaibara
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Posted - 2006.05.08 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Derrys
But an economic powerhouse without a strong military invites invasion. The only stable solution is a strong economy supporting a strong military. This gives us a nonviolent "carrot" with which to effect change, but also a "stick" we can hold in reserve to deter a violent response -- the best of both worlds. A large military also encourages innovation and technological advance, which is where the true strength of today's State lies.
Not all Patriots are hot-headed, and not all support the use of force to achieve our goals, either short- or long-term. It's true that most of us support a large navy, but remember, increased military spending saves lives, on all sides. The wise man learns to fight because he knows it lessens the changes he will have to.
Precisely my point, Admiral.
Would you agree that the Caldari Navy is in fact the most powerful and most effective navy in the entire galaxy? Would you agree that it could win whatever war lies on the horizon, and that funds should now be diverted from military buildup to economical opportunities?
I personally believe that the "stick" you've spoken of already lies in our hands, and that the "carrot" seeds have only been sown, and not watered. This is the point I am trying to defend, Admiral. Why should the State further pursue establishing itself as a gun-toting thug when it can change course and firmly impress others as a well-mannered businessman?
In the case of a war, what most 'Patriots' do not realize is that there are three fronts. The battlefield, the economy, and the politics. Ignore one, and you have lost. Luckily enough, we are not at war, and we should take this opportunity to boost our economical might. You can't have your weapons and ammunition without transport, research and manufacture, after all.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.08 21:40:00 -
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Admiral Derrys,
Thank you for your comments, it is precisely why I have used somewhat vague measurements of support like strong, average, etc so that no one may assume anything. Even within the factions there are differing views on exactly what there is to be done and how it is to be done.
That is a discussion for another thread, here I just wish to collect information on the general views of the State pod pilot community.
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2006.05.09 18:12:00 -
[46]
Strong Economical
Think that describes me best.
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Na'Thuul
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:58:00 -
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I renounce the caldari state entirely.
My allegiance lies with the Sani Sabik Covenant, and none other.
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John Bishop
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Posted - 2006.05.10 02:36:00 -
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patriot strong. but i am not a warmonger either.
i would answer any call by the state reguarding its wellbeing and dispatch the enimes of the state swiftly.
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sorry for the spelling and gramtic errors,,, im a redneck cowboy what did you expect anyways????
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Joskken Inx
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Posted - 2006.05.10 02:47:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Solarus Invictus
Patroit
Strong
Lets go get Caldari Prime back.
/signed and friggin' stamped. Patriot. Strong.
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Ren Tales
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Posted - 2006.05.10 03:59:00 -
[50]
Patriot, Strong.
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2006.05.10 08:39:00 -
[51]
I guess I'm labled as Industrial.
Then you can set me down as Neutral, Neutral, Neutral.
With a strong dislike of all things labled piracy and preying on the weak.
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Horatio Cain
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Posted - 2006.05.10 18:11:00 -
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Faction-Sentinel Security
Conviction-Strong
The State is my home and the place of my birth. It has made me strong and my will stronger. I wish to see it succeed and thrive, but I will only do as much for The State as it has done for me. Self-Reliance and personal intiative are the two greatest lessons my home sovereignty has taught me.
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draken shugar
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Posted - 2006.05.10 18:26:00 -
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strong patriot |
Yuki Li
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:49:00 -
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Just plain Caldari, Strong.
Formerly Ishukone, but that's a lesson learned about megacorporations.
Website / Forums / O-SYN Is Recruiting |
Abe Stormbreaker
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Abe Stormbreaker on 12/05/2006 18:46:44
Patriots, Strong/Militant
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Angel Vengen
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Posted - 2006.05.12 19:42:00 -
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Patriot, Strong allthough on hold.
I love nothing more than the State and would answer a call to arms almost instantly, but as of right now I am a Merc. I do not regret my choice but as I said, I will be one of the first on the line at a recruitment office if I am called upon.
Originally by: Nyxus
Yes but the Apoc is kind of like a mullet - business in the front, party in the back.
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Gorion Wassenar
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Posted - 2006.05.12 20:10:00 -
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Was Strong Liberal
Now its average Liberal with leanings to weak Patriot
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.13 02:36:00 -
[58]
The survey is now closed.
I wish to thank you all for your answers, especially those answers which actually addressed the question of the survey.
Results shall be posted in due course.
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
XV Squadron HQ
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.05.13 16:08:00 -
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It will be interesting to see what conclusions you can draw from 28 capsuleers opinions, expressed in profoundly simple terms. Terms which, as far as one can see from your comments, were not up for mature or rational discussion.
For "another time" then eh?
This survey was and is <end communication>
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.05.13 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey
It will be interesting to see what conclusions you can draw from 28 capsuleers opinions, expressed in profoundly simple terms. Terms which, as far as one can see from your comments, were not up for mature or rational discussion.
The survey itself is clearly statistically irrelevant, but those few who did explain their position did have some interesting things to say, even if the one doing the survey didn't care for it.
In particular, it was interesting to see who would stand up and be counted amongst one faction or another, as well as who didn't.
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.05.13 18:37:00 -
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You're right, the ones who actually explained their position provided interesting responses. They weren't as far as I can tell, however, the people Strikeclone was thanking for participating, or at the least, they weren't the most appreciated responses.
Hell, I do so much as question the validity of framing a survey in such a limited fashion and suggest that I could provide many examples of how the limitations were inaccurate, and I am told my line of discussion is somehow irrelevant and that my examples (although not even provided) are "inaccurate".
I know you're the diplomatic type Beringe, I've never seen you say a bad word to another person. I can admire that you are trying to salvage what is a farce of a survey with claims of it being interesting. The sad truth (for me) is that the only interesting replies are the ones when people answered with more than two words.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.13 19:59:00 -
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Nooey,
I do admire the way you are putting a spin on what was a simple two question multiple choice answer survey. There is nothing I intend to infere as you so put it.
If I gave the idea that I was not interested in what people had to say then it is your error in lack of understanding the reason for this thread. All of which will be clear in due time but you are too eger to jump on the old flame/troll band wagon, rather than simply wait.
Please read my original post again and see what ambiguities you can find there. And as you are not even a Loyal Caldari citizen you are not even a valid survey participant although your comments will be welcome once further threads have been created for teh discussion of the results.
This thread is simple a means to collect general views on the three factions that are relevent in the CEP.
Those who gave the required answers here and via neocom understood the simplicity of the questions put to them, and their answers shall form the basis for further threads relevent to this topic.
I suggest you wait till the release of the results and the accompanying discussion rather than attempting to derail this closed survey
There really is nothing more to say,....until the next thread.
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
XV Squadron HQ
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.05.13 20:25:00 -
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Two things:
Firstly, there is only one person spinning anything in this communication. If you want a clue as to who that is, look for the person who labelled Ishukone's deviation from the Liberal ideal as, and I quote, "slight".
Secondly, I'll give you a full twelve hours to remove that pathetic attempt to question both my loyalty and citizenry. I'll assume it was just either your stupidity or some kind of racist ignorance that was feeding this particular bout of momentary insanity.
You can look me up on any number of State databases, you'll find the word Citizen nice and clearly. As for the word loyal, you can preach to me about loyalty the day you actually do something more than run ridiculous surveys from within the confines of some unknown Caldari Provisions warehouse.
At hour thirteen, if that's still there, I'll be coming to kill you.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.14 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Strikeclone on 14/05/2006 00:22:32
Originally by: Nooey
I could provide many examples of how the limitations were inaccurate.
Which faction have I missed from the selection? As far as I am aware there are only three factions within the CEP. So there really are only four relevent replies, one of the factions or neutral. As stated in the OP. Or of course they could decline to comment.
Originally by: Nooey
Firstly, there is only one person spinning anything in this communication. If you want a clue as to who that is, look for the person who labelled Ishukone's deviation from the Liberal ideal as, and I quote, "slight".
Not sure where your going with one?
Anyone have a clue?
Originally by: Nooey
Secondly, I'll give you a full twelve hours to remove that pathetic attempt to question both my loyalty and citizenry. I'll assume it was just either your stupidity or some kind of racist ignorance that was feeding this particular bout of momentary insanity.
Where did I question your loyalty? I did not. I did however attempt to clarify that this thread was directed towards loyal Caldari state citizens and that all I desired was an answer to my very simple questions.
I am having difficulty understanding what difficulty you have with this concept.
Originally by: Nooey
You can look me up on any number of State databases, you'll find the word Citizen nice and clearly.
And?
Originally by: Nooey
As for the word loyal, you can preach to me about loyalty the day you actually do something more than run ridiculous surveys from within the confines of some unknown Caldari Provisions warehouse.
My current corporate status is of no relevence to the topic.
Preach to you about loyalty. *laughs heartily*
So surevys about the factions of our government that are directed towards State citizens are ridiculous, so therefore your opinion of those who answered the survey is that they are ridiculous too.
Charming.
Originally by: Nooey
Secondly, I'll give you a full twelve hours to remove that pathetic attempt to question both my loyalty and citizenry. I'll assume it was just either your stupidity or some kind of racist ignorance that was feeding this particular bout of momentary insanity.
I suggest you change your supplier of booster drugs, either they are making you see things that are not there because I never questioned your loyalty or anyone elses for that matter.
Or they are making you confuse me with someone who cares about not being your best mate.
I am not sure where you are going with the whole rasicim bit? Drug induced paranoia?
Oh and if you are a loyal citizen of the State and you wish to prove your loyalty buy coming to kill me, a fellow loayl citizen then by all means, "bring it".
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
XV Squadron HQ
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Del Phineas
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Posted - 2006.05.16 13:29:00 -
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I looked over the survey.
I thought about it.
Patriot = Strong
Practical = Average
Liberal = Somewhat
I moved to Caldari Prime.
Del Phineas - CEO of Durandal Strauss Company [DURA]
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.05.16 14:05:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Del Phineas
I moved to Caldari Prime.
I am sure the Federation is thankful for your tax ISK.
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CAIN Spokesperson
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Posted - 2006.05.16 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: CAIN Spokesperson on 16/05/2006 18:53:47
Ooops
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Dev Larren
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Posted - 2006.05.16 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dev Larren on 16/05/2006 18:57:45
Patriot - Strong.
Although the views expressed here are mine and do not represent my corp or alliance. It also does not make me a war-mongerer willing to violate the current Caldari State diplomatic position vis-a-vis Caldari Prime.
Founder
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.05.17 16:46:00 -
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At the risk of sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong, I feel I must comment on Strikeclone's response to Nooey.
Originally by: Strikeclone
Not sure where your going with one?
Anyone have a clue?
I believe he is referring to your own words, on the first page of this thread.
Also, you did say that he wasn't, and I quote:
Originally by: Strikeclone
the fact that you are not a Loyal citizen
Which ends up making this statement even more confusing:
Originally by: Strikeclone
Your attempt to derail a simple Q&A aimed at our citizens is enough for some to wonder at your true loyalties. I am undecided.
Surely you don't think that a discussion of the meager results of your survey is a bad thing? I'd hardly call that derailing.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.05.17 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Beringe on 17/05/2006 16:48:50
Originally by: Nooey
I know you're the diplomatic type Beringe, I've never seen you say a bad word to another person. I can admire that you are trying to salvage what is a farce of a survey with claims of it being interesting. The sad truth (for me) is that the only interesting replies are the ones when people answered with more than two words.
Living up to my diplomatic reputation, I think I should add that you could have gotten your point across (edit: to the OP) with less hostility.
Still, your points remain factually correct, while the OPs responses to you have been rather frothing-at-the-mouth, to say the least. However, I doubt killing him is going to prove anything.
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.05.18 01:14:00 -
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Thanks for pointing out what you have Beringe, don't feel as if you were out of line speaking on my behalf. You are correct in saying I could have been more diplomatic. But then I am no diplomat. I decided that getting my point across to Strikeclone was never going to happen, I won't go into reasons why so as not to start up another flurry from him.
Regarding my threats, you have to understand, being a Gallente is not an easy thing when you have the heart of a Caldari, and the citizenship of one too. It is a frustratingly common thing to see people assume simply from my face, that I am not a Caldari. I am as much Caldari as Strikeclone is, and when on the basis of racist ignorance he assumes me not to be, it inflames me to the point where I am willing to get in my Raven and prove it.
It was profoundly frustrating to be labelled as a "Gallente derailer", I'm glad that someone else can see that this simply wasn't the case.
He removed the comments, or rather, modified most of them and caveated most of them sufficiently, which I take as a recognition on his behalf that a mistake was made. Fair enough, I have no desire it push the matter any further. I was happy to leave it there, and still am.
But thank you for words nonetheless, they are appreciated more than you may realise.
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Shikai4k
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Posted - 2006.05.18 02:37:00 -
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Freelancer here. I hold Loyalty to my self I guess.
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