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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.06 04:12:00 -
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All Caldari State citizens are requested to submit their vote on which of the three factions they most identify with or to register their neutral stance.
Please indicate your affiliation by stating your faction name and the strength of your conviction.
Faction List
Patriots
Practicals
Liberals
Conviction indication
Strong
Average
Somewhat
The data collected will be presented in a future publication, also submitions will be accepted via direct neocom contact.
Thank you for your time
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
XV Squadron HQ
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2006.05.06 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Silver Night on 06/05/2006 04:50:43
Liberals, as a supporter of Ishukone. Probably in the area around somewhat to average.
Edit: Course, on the other hand, I do take a certain joy in watching Gallente Navy ships burst into little pieces following soem encouragement on my part.
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Director.
GLS Mr. State
Caldari Patriot.
Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
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Arashi Miike
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Posted - 2006.05.06 08:00:00 -
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Practical, average.
"I should have been a pair of ragged claws/
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Yarod Cool
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Posted - 2006.05.06 08:50:00 -
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It's not a secret that I'm a Liberal. As CEO of a small, independent corp that supports CONCORD and hires many foreign pilots, I'd call that strongly Liberal.
--Yarod Cool
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2006.05.06 10:36:00 -
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Patriot - Strong
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SIlver Saint
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Posted - 2006.05.06 10:48:00 -
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Faction List
Patriots
Conviction indication
Somewhat
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Irias Salo
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Posted - 2006.05.06 11:22:00 -
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Patriot, Strong.
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Avena
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Posted - 2006.05.06 11:43:00 -
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Liberals and Strong, of course.
Well, I guess being part of the Gariushi family would dictate that.
My father thanks you for your service to Ishukone, Mr. Night.
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Vlada Milani
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Posted - 2006.05.06 11:54:00 -
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Practicals, average. Some occasional leanings and sympathy toward the Patriots.
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.05.06 12:55:00 -
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The categorisation of people into "Patriotic", "Practical" and "Liberal" seems a bit arbitrary.
Can I ask what it is your publication seeks to research or say based on these answers?
I know, and am blessed to work with, State citizens who fall into all three categories, each of them an invaluable asset to the Caldari people and their cause.
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Steiner
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Posted - 2006.05.06 12:56:00 -
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Practical - Average
Patriot - Average
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Steiner
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Posted - 2006.05.06 13:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Nooey
The categorisation of people into "Patriotic", "Practical" and "Liberal" seems a bit arbitrary.
Can I ask what it is your publication seeks to research or say based on these answers?
I know, and am blessed to work with, State citizens who fall into all three categories, each of them an invaluable asset to the Caldari people and their cause.
I guess he just wants to know what we working on within the State?
Those "factions" aint something you will be fighting for, just working for. We all fight for the State as whole.
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Leon 026
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Posted - 2006.05.06 14:55:00 -
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Patriot / Average-strong
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2006.05.06 15:27:00 -
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If there was ever an opportunity to cease the perpetuance of that awful stereotype that all Caldari are just tagged, numbered, and stamped automatons, this would not be it.
*grins*
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.05.06 17:09:00 -
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I am an ex-agent of SuVee, and in those days I would have been considered a strongly affiliated practical.
After my exile (don't ask), I had high hopes for Ishukone and liberalism. The time felt right for change - the State was cooperating with the Federation on the Crielere project and all seemed to be well.
Duplicity in the command structure of Ishukone, displayed in several events that followed (I will not voice them, although I have more than suspicion) have severely eroded my trust.
Today, you might say I hover between practical and liberal, with a fairly weak conviction. Not that most will care, since neither my work for the State nor the Federation (yes, for a time) is likely to endear me to those involved.
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"Never underestimate the power of language."
--Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles-- |
Beringe
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Posted - 2006.05.06 17:14:00 -
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I agree with Nooey that these categories are fairly arbitrary, although I know what they refer to.
I believe that Strikeclone is asking about loyalties towards the big three (Sukuuvestaa, Ishukone and Kaalakiota) who are the biggest shareholders of the State and de-facto leaders of the CEO panel. Possibly, he is fishing for corporate ties between the smaller pod-pilot run corps and the B3.
There was an outsider written article on this a while back.
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"Never underestimate the power of language."
--Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles-- |
Wolfgang Jager
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Posted - 2006.05.06 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Wolfgang Jager on 06/05/2006 20:57:52
Speaking solely for myself, I am strongly in the Patriot camp. Although I do agree that the labels are needlessly divisive in a time when a more unified front is needed.
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Sammira
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Posted - 2006.05.06 22:42:00 -
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Practical, Strong of course, though I do have many many contacts within the Liberal and Patriot faction . . . more patriots I do note . . . though I do not get many chances to meet face to face these days what with my obligations planetside.
Drink StarsiÖ + [DS] Haulage
Production Division
Caldari State Citizen
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Vincae
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Posted - 2006.05.07 00:33:00 -
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Practical
Average
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.05.07 02:00:00 -
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I'm familiar with the perception that the B3 fall into those categories. I'm just more familiar however, with memories of how they don't.
It seems I wouldn't even be the only one with examples of how Ishukone are hardly liberal.
How unsurprising though, that they would be one of the first to come here and enlist as such, pepetuating the perception that they are anything but two-faced psychopaths.
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2006.05.07 02:07:00 -
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I thought liberal felt right until Ishukone ransacked my home. Now I can't say that I'm anything but Caldari.
Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com |
Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.05.07 03:05:00 -
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Strong Patriot.
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Phoenixhawk
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Posted - 2006.05.07 03:10:00 -
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Strong Practical
Stay Chilly & Watch Your Six!
Space Vampire |
Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.07 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey
The categorisation of people into "Patriotic", "Practical" and "Liberal" seems a bit arbitrary.
There is nothing arbitrary about this simple survey, and the categories are with regard to an individuals political leaning not the actual person themselves.
So please keep your weak attempt at derailments to yourself.
Originally by: Nooey
Can I ask what it is your publication seeks to research or say based on these answers?
I am simply interested to know how my fellow residents of the State feel with regard to the very real and constant struggle for power and dominance in the CEP. The results of this survey will be published in the near future.
Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
If there was ever an opportunity to cease the perpetuance of that awful stereotype that all Caldari are just tagged, numbered, and stamped automatons, this would not be it.
*grins*
Citizens in the Caldari state are just as free to demonstrate political alleigence as they are in the gallente federation. I fail to see how this survey should in anyway show or reinforce any negative stereotypes you may have of the Caldari way.
Our strong economy and highly diciplined and effective military armed with cutting edge technology is a source of constant envy for the other under developed nations.
It is not supprising that petty jeleousies and demeaning stereotypes will be visited upon us by those less fortunate as a way of explaining our prosperity and their poverty as a result of universal bad luck an dunfairness and not the result of being workshy and lazy.
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
XV Squadron HQ
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.07 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
I agree with Nooey that these categories are fairly arbitrary, although I know what they refer to.
How are they arbitrary? They are the acknowledged and accepted names of the three factions/parties that currently control our CEP. These names are merely a reference to the factions general ideologies, nothing more, nothing less. People choose to belong to a given faction, they are not simply picked from a line up or by balot.
That would be the very definition of arbitrary
Originally by: Beringe
I believe that Strikeclone is asking about loyalties towards the big three (Sukuuvestaa, Ishukone and Kaalakiota) who are the biggest shareholders of the State and de-facto leaders of the CEO panel
You are incorrect and yet essentially right at the same time.
I have asked loyal Caldari citizens a very simply question. Which of the three factions do they support and how strong was their support. How ever as each of the three factions is essentially lead by the corporations you mentioned it could be argued that the question is also relevent to them.
However that was not the intent not the words of my question. So try not to add hidden meanings to my simply question.
Originally by: Beringe
Possibly, he is fishing for corporate ties between the smaller pod-pilot run corps and the B3.
I refer you to my earlier comments about adding hidden meanings where there are none.
Originally by: Nooey
I'm familiar with the perception that the B3 fall into those categories. I'm just more familiar however, with memories of how they don't.
These factions are a fact, their is no question of it bveing merely a figment of our imaginations. These factions battle on a daily basis, not yet in military terms but certainly on every other front.
You must remember that as with anything these factions and their ideologies are not stone straight jackets which must be adhered to like Amarr scriptures. They are groups of people who think and act along the same lines, it does not mean that they are not fluid and dynamic, they are and as such sometimes their individual and even their collective actions may differ slightly from the ideology inorder to deal with a given situation.
Originally by: Nooey
How unsurprising though, that they would be one of the first to come here and enlist as such, pepetuating the perception that they are anything but two-faced psychopaths.
This is a simple survey about the faction affiliations of loyal Caldari State citizens, if you are not a State citizen you will have no faction loyalty of relevence. And if you have no affiliation on which to comment then you have no comment to make.
This is not a political discussion group thread, that may come later so please as interesting as your comment maybe however incorrect please refrain from bringing them here and detracting from the purpose of the thread, thank you.
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
XV Squadron HQ
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:53:00 -
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Edited by: Ly''sol on 07/05/2006 07:53:48
<the odd "caldari" flickers on screen with and speaks with a very particular acent>
Mmm lets see. distrusted and left for dead...how about.
I dont fit into those convenient little ID tags. However if you want which of the mega corps i favor more than others. Lai Dai....
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:53:00 -
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You missed my point entirely.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.05.07 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: Strikeclone on 07/05/2006 08:02:49
Originally by: Nooey
You missed my point entirely.
Prehaps that is because you failed to make one.
It is not the readers job to understand the writer, so much as it is the writers job to make himself understood.
Its a simple concept, there are three power factions within the Caldari State governing body.
My survey is to simply find out the alliegence of loyal Caldari State citizens with regard to these three factions.
I have even made it a multiple choice answer, three answers too two seperate but related questions, with a fourth generic answer you don't have to answer at all
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
XV Squadron HQ
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2006.05.07 14:07:00 -
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I rather thought Kaleigh's comment was quite witty, frankly.
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DeadRow
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Posted - 2006.05.07 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Strikeclone
Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
If there was ever an opportunity to cease the perpetuance of that awful stereotype that all Caldari are just tagged, numbered, and stamped automatons, this would not be it.
*grins*
Citizens in the Caldari state are just as free to demonstrate political alleigence as they are in the gallente federation. I fail to see how this survey should in anyway show or reinforce any negative stereotypes you may have of the Caldari way.
Our strong economy and highly diciplined and effective military armed with cutting edge technology is a source of constant envy for the other under developed nations.
It is not supprising that petty jeleousies and demeaning stereotypes will be visited upon us by those less fortunate as a way of explaining our prosperity and their poverty as a result of universal bad luck an dunfairness and not the result of being workshy and lazy.
Cute comment- I dont really like being labeled like this so i anit going to answer. Tho its quite interesting what others have put.
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