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Dunbar Hulan
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
18
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:08:00 -
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Where is said system ? I'm looking for a place to hang out in from time to time. There it is. |

MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
65
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:16:00 -
[92] - Quote
Dunbar Hulan wrote:Where is said system ? I'm looking for a place to hang out in from time to time.
Hmmm.....what's it worth to you?
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
306
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:18:00 -
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As the leader of one of the older currently high sec-ish miner/carebear/indy alliances I think the OP was very accurate in his assesment of common 0.0 myths.
We were in nul twice in our history. The first in Syndicate and the second out in a drone region.
What I found was the rewards could be great and when it was all going well it was the safest I've ever been in Eve. However, what I grew tired of was the politics. If you want to make a single area your home and you aren't planning on shifting your focus from mining and industry your daily life became all about the politics. (assuming you aren't in a very large and combat savy group).
Your continued safety was entirely dependent on stable relationships not only with your blues but your blues blues. We had gotten into the drone region just as the political landscape changed dramatically. All the relationship that made us able to operate there were suddenly a net negative and we became defacto "targets of opportunity" of the new "boss".
So we left and haven't gone back. For me I just didn't want to worry about the "politics" of living there.
Still, for a younger pod pilot finding your way in the 'verse, life in the black can be a valuable experience. I'd suggest trying it as part of as more established alliance already there or if you go as part of a small corportation, keep your clone current and don't undock anything you are going to be sad about losing. Keep in mind, risk means rewards in Eve, try to keep it fun and if after you've given it a try there is no shame in deciding Empire or low sec is more to your liking.
If CCP ever gets treaties you might even run into some "BEEP" members out in the back. And if you aren't red, you'll have nothing to fear from us as we remain committed to the one thing no one has seemed to make work in 0.0 NRDS. 
Issler |

Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
31
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Posted - 2011.11.15 02:42:00 -
[94] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis:
Don't understand why you are fixated on mining?
The people I am talking about are highsec dwellers that would like to try to build a POS in zero and survive there in their Corporation. Mining only plays a part of that picture. And again, surely they're doing that in lo-sec? ************
No they aren't are they. And you seem to think that it has nothing to do with the hot drop that will visit them for LULZ. You know maybe if you read the rest of my posts instead of trying to nitpick them you would know that I also said CCP needed to get rid of local chat and provide cloaks for POS so small Corps could have a chance at surviving for longer than the time it takes to light a cyno. |

Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2011.11.15 05:14:00 -
[95] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:Lets just say that I have never had any problems funding my characters. so no then? Cause farming lvl IVs will net you a nice, reliable money stream. GǪwhich you need forGǪ what, exactly? If the money is enough to keep doing what you want (which is what he said), why do you need more? In fact, if the money is enough to keep doing what you want, then yes, it is indeed nice and reliable enough a stream.
um yeah it is... the thread is about "the myth of null sec"
though technically, its a qq about gate camps.
My point was you can either do lvl 4s/incursions (which threads crop up about dozens of times a day qqing how you can get so much more isk doing 4s vs stuff in null) or you can go to null and do stuff there and it seems to me (especially from those mentioned threads) that missioning gets you more, regardless of a implant that drops now and then.
Unless of course all those threads you see are ALL wrong, and there IS no discrepancy between lvl 4 mission running / Incursions and null money.
GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
163
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Posted - 2011.11.15 05:19:00 -
[96] - Quote
Funny story that is somewhat relevant:
A few corps back, our CEO (dude's name insnt important cause he sold that character after this - no joke) decided he wanted a POS in low sec. With the intention of then moving into 0.0. We were a highsec corp, mostly mission runners and miners, a few ppl interested in PVP, and had delusions of going to null. We'd joined a fairly large industrial alliance the day before. They had no PVP corps
Anyhoo, our CEO finds this neat little pocket of lowsec surrounded by jumps and jumps of highsec. He decides this is the perfect place to put it. A friend an I scout out the area and tell him it belongs to S I L E N T. an we really dont wanna **** with them.
He says this: "Its OK, theres highsec all around the low sec area. The only way they could get cap ships into the area would be to have built them in the low sec pocket an that would be stupid." -mind you I had at this point never even SEEN a cap ship, an had no idea how jump drives even worked, assumed (lol) he knew what he was talking about, I let it go. My friend, was trying to talk him out of the idea for a week.
The POS is anchored, and onlined. During this process, a Proteus is seem in system, but it doesnt bother anyone. We decide to name the thing something like Aegis Shield POS and are all proud that we have a low sec POS. My friend is saying we may wanna think about leaving the corp.
An hour later... Im on Teamspeak when a random guy in the POS starts yelling about ships warping into the system, and seeing reds, stuff like that. Im curious, engage a jump clone, grab a shuttle, and hop to the POS. There was a Revelation, another DN and a good 300 support ships all in a tight cluster around the POS, blowing the hell out of it. The fight was short (figuratively speaking), we hadnt had the chance to put much into the thing so it didnt last long, we didnt even have guns on it. The alliance guys kinda shook their heads at our CEO's stupidity, and was gonna move on.
Then they war decced the alliance
Our CEO went "Well... good luck with that guys, im gonna leave an go to 0.0 to see how the big corps work" He docked, an I didnt see him again for like 6 months
We quit the corp the night of the wardec, given that the writing was on the wall for that corp, I watched S I L E N T.'s killboards for a few weeks afterwards, an yeah they were having fun.
To this day, the CEO thinks this was the funniest thing he ever did in EVE. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
138
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Posted - 2011.11.15 07:08:00 -
[97] - Quote
Still, no matter what anyone says, I have thrown enough disposable alt/frigates at 0.0 gate camps to see camping as an activity that must be as boring as mining. If campers think they are PVPers, and find some reason to look down at miners, they are somewhat misguided.
Let there be no myth about one thing: there are just as many people in 0.0 who have as little to do (and probably just as bored) as people in high sec.
We should all go beg for some live events after the next big patch.
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DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
130
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Posted - 2011.11.15 09:15:00 -
[98] - Quote
A lot of people are saying that getting into nullsec is almost impossible with all the bubbles and camps.
This is only true if you are trying to get in there as a solo pilot, not part of a nullsec corp. This problem is also very easy to solve: Join a nullsec corp. They have the logistics/scouts/knowledge how to get you stuff there.
Don't take the harde route and goto null all by yourself. It can be fun, but it is very hard for a new player. Joining a corp first will make this much easier.
I live in lowsec and I don't have much nullsec experience, I only lived there a couple of months. But I never had any problems getting in or out nullsec. I only had one account back then and there were always people only that helped me scout when I needed it.
Note to new players: When in a nullsec alliance/corp you have access to intel channels. These channels allow you to monitor the most important systems without a scout, making your job of moving around a lot more easy.
TLDR: Living in nullsec is not nearly as hard as all the trolls make it seem to be. Fix FW ! |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
369
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Posted - 2011.11.15 09:19:00 -
[99] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Still, no matter what anyone says, I have thrown enough disposable alt/frigates at 0.0 gate camps to see camping as an activity that must be as boring as mining. If campers think they are PVPers, and find some reason to look down at miners, they are somewhat misguided.
Let there be no myth about one thing: there are just as many people in 0.0 who have as little to do (and probably just as bored) as people in high sec.
We should all go beg for some live events after the next big patch.
it really is. there is a reason no one really does it except for fleets waiting for other fleets to fly into their trap. honestly, nullsec gate camps are incredibly rare.
though there was one camp that i certainly had a blast partaking in. that time all the CFC's enemies got cocky and decided to jump a giant ball of titans into VFK, thinking they could headshot the goons. I have to say, it was hilarious warping from trapped titan to trapped titan, instantly showing up on grid every single time one started trying to burn out of their superbubbled POS shields at 5 m/s and watching them stop in defeat. |

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
18
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Posted - 2011.11.15 10:24:00 -
[100] - Quote
I only have a single issue with Null sec ... cost
It is a player run environment which means that you are taxed to buggery and beyond to sustain your alliance - but why should an alliance need so much money - cap and ship reimbursement programs.... right....
My main has been in 3 "real" alliances and in each I had to pay between 15-20% OVER jita prices for ships and mods with the excuse sry reason given that it costs a lot to get the mods to me in null-sec.
Null sec may help the wallet in terms of bounties from rats and other sources, but you have to bleed isk for the privilege. I am aware of my own ignorance, and painfully aware of yours |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
369
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Posted - 2011.11.15 10:29:00 -
[101] - Quote
Klandi wrote:I only have a single issue with Null sec ... cost
It is a player run environment which means that you are taxed to buggery and beyond to sustain your alliance - but why should an alliance need so much money - cap and ship reimbursement programs.... right....
My main has been in 3 "real" alliances and in each I had to pay between 15-20% OVER jita prices for ships and mods with the excuse sry reason given that it costs a lot to get the mods to me in null-sec.
Null sec may help the wallet in terms of bounties from rats and other sources, but you have to bleed isk for the privilege.
Honestly, how bad is a 15% tax when you only have to buy combat ships once, ever, and you're set for life? Seriously. Space Communism, it just works. |

March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
38
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Posted - 2011.11.15 10:49:00 -
[102] - Quote
Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis:
Don't understand why you are fixated on mining?
The people I am talking about are highsec dwellers that would like to try to build a POS in zero and survive there in their Corporation. Mining only plays a part of that picture. and what do you want next? - cloaked freighters with 0 seconds warp time? Don't forget: 0.0 corporation does heavy logistics. - cloaked ratting ships to run anomalies in cloaked mode?
Your complete lack of understanding live in 0.0 makes your posts funny..... |

March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
38
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Posted - 2011.11.15 11:07:00 -
[103] - Quote
DeBingJos wrote:A lot of people are saying that getting into nullsec is almost impossible with all the bubbles and camps.
This is only true if you are trying to get in there as a solo pilot, not part of a nullsec corp. This problem is also very easy to solve: Join a nullsec corp. They have the logistics/scouts/knowledge how to get you stuff there.
Don't take the harde route and goto null all by yourself. It can be fun, but it is very hard for a new player. Joining a corp first will make this much easier.
I live in lowsec and I don't have much nullsec experience, I only lived there a couple of months. But I never had any problems getting in or out nullsec. I only had one account back then and there were always people only that helped me scout when I needed it.
Note to new players: When in a nullsec alliance/corp you have access to intel channels. These channels allow you to monitor the most important systems without a scout, making your job of moving around a lot more easy.
TLDR: Living in nullsec is not nearly as hard as all the trolls make it seem to be. QFT.
Our corp's russian part is getting new people almost every day. And some of them are 1 month old (i always say: don't recruit n00bs, let them feel empire before hiding in 0.0 but i only recruit for english part of a corp). So it's a complete myth and lie that new person can't get into zeros IF HE WANTS IT. Not sure tho that n00bs are needed here...... |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1146
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Posted - 2011.11.15 11:12:00 -
[104] - Quote
Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis:
Don't understand why you are fixated on mining?
The people I am talking about are highsec dwellers that would like to try to build a POS in zero and survive there in their Corporation. Mining only plays a part of that picture. And again, surely they're doing that in lo-sec? ************ No they aren't are they. And you seem to think that it has nothing to do with the hot drop that will visit them for LULZ. You know maybe if you read the rest of my posts instead of trying to nitpick them you would know that I also said CCP needed to get rid of local chat and provide cloaks for POS so small Corps could have a chance at surviving for longer than the time it takes to light a cyno. 
Ah, so now it's hot drops.
OK well what's the best way to deter hot drops by trapping them in place so they can be countered?
(hint, it involves T2 destroyers and rhymes with "trouble") Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2011.11.15 13:10:00 -
[105] - Quote
I so love delusion...a dozen t2 frigs can't really be a blob, and how cumbersome they are...gate camps only at "choke points"...hilarious! We thought they were just at places where it doesn't really matter! Getting scouted...they drop a bubble...I handle rattlesnakes too, so I can see the proportional struggle some people might have with this.
The more you said the deeper it got. The ones who agreed with you sort of cemented the deal.
Funny post though. Thanks for the "cursory glance" and the generosity of your "few minutes" to edify us all. I'm sure it took a lot out of your busy day...was there a tl;dr to this? Funny. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
18
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Posted - 2011.11.15 13:58:00 -
[106] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote: Honestly, how bad is a 15% tax when you only have to buy combat ships once, ever, and you're set for life? Seriously. Space Communism, it just works.
Yep - therein lies the problem - I just didn't get it.
So you buy and fit out a combat ship and never undock. Never tried that personally. Thanks for the insight I am aware of my own ignorance, and painfully aware of yours |

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
74
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Posted - 2011.11.15 14:17:00 -
[107] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: Ah, so now it's hot drops.
OK well what's the best way to deter hot drops by trapping them in place so they can be countered?
(hint, it involves T2 destroyers and rhymes with "trouble")
or, if you see a lone arazu engaging your gang and not cloaking up/trying to run, maybe you should let him go on his way... |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2011.11.15 15:02:00 -
[108] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: Ah, so now it's hot drops.
OK well what's the best way to deter hot drops by trapping them in place so they can be countered?
(hint, it involves T2 destroyers and rhymes with "trouble")
uh-huh ..
so an interdictor will tackle 500 SCs and 5k sub-cap ships in system and rest of the alliance counting 90 people will counter them ?
Sounds like a plan.
Anyway getting in the null as an player is not an problem, getting there as an small corp trying to establish long lasting presence is kind of different story. |

Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
31
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:13:00 -
[109] - Quote
Klandi wrote:I only have a single issue with Null sec ... cost
It is a player run environment which means that you are taxed to buggery and beyond to sustain your alliance - but why should an alliance need so much money - cap and ship reimbursement programs.... right....
My main has been in 3 "real" alliances and in each I had to pay between 15-20% OVER jita prices for ships and mods with the excuse sry reason given that it costs a lot to get the mods to me in null-sec.
Null sec may help the wallet in terms of bounties from rats and other sources, but you have to bleed isk for the privilege. ************* and it is working as the Alliance Leadeship intended.... |

Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
31
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:15:00 -
[110] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Klandi wrote:I only have a single issue with Null sec ... cost
It is a player run environment which means that you are taxed to buggery and beyond to sustain your alliance - but why should an alliance need so much money - cap and ship reimbursement programs.... right....
My main has been in 3 "real" alliances and in each I had to pay between 15-20% OVER jita prices for ships and mods with the excuse sry reason given that it costs a lot to get the mods to me in null-sec.
Null sec may help the wallet in terms of bounties from rats and other sources, but you have to bleed isk for the privilege. Honestly, how bad is a 15% tax when you only have to buy combat ships once, ever, and you're set for life? Seriously. Space Communism, it just works. ******
and this is "The Great Lie" of Zero stated by a member of the Mother of All Lies (considering the Father of All Lies is the Goons). |

Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
31
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:24:00 -
[111] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis:
Don't understand why you are fixated on mining?
The people I am talking about are highsec dwellers that would like to try to build a POS in zero and survive there in their Corporation. Mining only plays a part of that picture. and what do you want next? - cloaked freighters with 0 seconds warp time? Don't forget: 0.0 corporation does heavy logistics. - cloaked ratting ships to run anomalies in cloaked mode? Your complete lack of understanding live in 0.0 makes your posts funny.....  ************ and your complete inability to comprehend what I've said is either the results of low I.Q. or just plain obstinance. Probably both. I spend half my time in zero doing what I do and survive quite nicely (including paying for PLEX with isk that I have screwed out of dullard zero dwellers such as yourself). Your hyperboe twisting of my suggestions to increase the flow of new bolld to zero and Eve subscriptions fails. |

Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
31
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:24:00 -
[112] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis:
Don't understand why you are fixated on mining?
The people I am talking about are highsec dwellers that would like to try to build a POS in zero and survive there in their Corporation. Mining only plays a part of that picture. and what do you want next? - cloaked freighters with 0 seconds warp time? Don't forget: 0.0 corporation does heavy logistics. - cloaked ratting ships to run anomalies in cloaked mode? Your complete lack of understanding live in 0.0 makes your posts funny.....  ************ and your complete inability to comprehend what I've said is either the results of low I.Q. or just plain obstinance. Probably both. I spend half my time in zero doing what I do and survive quite nicely (including paying for PLEX with isk that I have screwed out of dullard zero dwellers such as yourself). Your hyperbole twisting of my suggestions to increase the flow of new bolld to zero and Eve subscriptions fails. |

Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
31
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:36:00 -
[113] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis:
Don't understand why you are fixated on mining?
The people I am talking about are highsec dwellers that would like to try to build a POS in zero and survive there in their Corporation. Mining only plays a part of that picture. And again, surely they're doing that in lo-sec? ************ No they aren't are they. And you seem to think that it has nothing to do with the hot drop that will visit them for LULZ. You know maybe if you read the rest of my posts instead of trying to nitpick them you would know that I also said CCP needed to get rid of local chat and provide cloaks for POS so small Corps could have a chance at surviving for longer than the time it takes to light a cyno.  Ah, so now it's hot drops. OK well what's the best way to deter hot drops by trapping them in place so they can be countered? (hint, it involves T2 destroyers and rhymes with "trouble") ***************** Your viewpoint is typical of an old Eve Vet who has forgotten what it was to be a new pilot in a new Corp in highsec Eve. Your inablilty to put yourself in the shoes OF NEW SUBSCRIBERS who do not yet understand either the politcs or sometimes subtle nuances of game mechanics needed to survive and thrive in Eve is the very thing that too many of CCPs developers suffer from. The result is low retention fo new subscribers, fewer new pilots joining the fray in zero, and lost potential revenue to CCP.
But feel free to continue your e-peenal diatribes. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
772
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:43:00 -
[114] - Quote
Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis:
Don't understand why you are fixated on mining?
The people I am talking about are highsec dwellers that would like to try to build a POS in zero and survive there in their Corporation. Mining only plays a part of that picture. And again, surely they're doing that in lo-sec? ************ No they aren't are they. And you seem to think that it has nothing to do with the hot drop that will visit them for LULZ. You know maybe if you read the rest of my posts instead of trying to nitpick them you would know that I also said CCP needed to get rid of local chat and provide cloaks for POS so small Corps could have a chance at surviving for longer than the time it takes to light a cyno.  Ah, so now it's hot drops. OK well what's the best way to deter hot drops by trapping them in place so they can be countered? (hint, it involves T2 destroyers and rhymes with "trouble") ***************** Your viewpoint is typical of an old Eve Vet who has forgotten what it was to be a new pilot in a new Corp in highsec Eve. Your inablilty to put yourself in the shoes OF NEW SUBSCRIBERS who do not yet understand either the politcs or sometimes subtle nuances of game mechanics needed to survive and thrive in Eve is the very thing that too many of CCPs developers suffer from. The result is low retention fo new subscribers, fewer new pilots joining the fray in zero, and lost potential revenue to CCP. But feel free to continue your e-peenal diatribes.
you're right, you have to deal with a lot of hotdrops while mining and missioning in highsec |

Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
31
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:46:00 -
[115] - Quote
Please Andski, we know KNOW you're an idiot, but please try to follow the thread and keep up. We were discussing LOWSEC... not highsec. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
772
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:50:00 -
[116] - Quote
pardon me, but you were replying to a post about hotdrops with some drivel about this game's pitiful retention of new players (which has more to do with the game being terrible than ~bittervets~) |

Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
31
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:00:00 -
[117] - Quote
Andski wrote:pardon me, but you were replying to a post about hotdrops with some drivel about this game's pitiful retention of new players (which has more to do with the game being terrible than ~bittervets~) ********** Hot drops in LOWSEC for LULZ....
Please Andski, we understand that you are somewhat deficient in reading comprehension, but if you are going to contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way, you really do need to read each word in the sentences. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
772
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:05:00 -
[118] - Quote
"we?"
i'm reporting your ass for account sharing |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
772
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:07:00 -
[119] - Quote
although I can't discount the possibility that you're outright insane and consider your opinions to be shared by far more people than in reality |

Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
32
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Posted - 2011.11.15 18:03:00 -
[120] - Quote
Andski wrote:although I can't discount the possibility that you're outright insane and consider your opinions to be shared by far more people than in reality ***********
If you weren't afraid that many in this game and in CCP's halls might agree with what I say, you wouldn't be spending so much of your time disputing me.
Unless, of course, you're just a troll.
http://trololololololololololo.com/ |
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