as someone who melts and gets melted by Rote, I 100% agree with this

but apparently our little corner of null is wildly different from the rest

So, cursory browsing of the EVE-O forums over the last few days has shown me that there are A LOT of players out there that have absolutely no clue how Null Sec, and specifically Null Sec PVP works in this game.

That is not really a bad thing in and of its self, except that these people are stating their uninformed opinions about Null Sec as fact, and perpetuating the misconceptions about Null which tend to keep most people in EVE from ever trying it.

Because of this, I have decided to take a few minutes to address some of these common misconceptions.

1. It is impossible to move through null sec because every single gate is constantly camped.
Ignoring the obvious hyperbole here, gate camps are actually very rare in Null Sec (with the exception of a few choke point systems.) What most players run into and then rage about being a gate camp is usually just a roaming fleet. Null sec fleets will almost always comp a dictor as they are essential for shaping fights and delaying a pursuing force during egress. If a scout spots a lone pilot jumping into the system that the fleet is currently in, the fleet will often take a second to bubble up and try to catch it.

Even if you do not notice that you have been scouted, these types of "impromptu camps" are very easy to avoid in nearly any ship that you could conceivably be jumping blind through a gate in. Actual gate camps show up on the map and the only pilots who get caught by them are those who for what ever reason do not check their map for the free intel.

2. Null Sec PVP is nothing but blobs.
Are there blobs out there? Certainly. Blobs exist in EVE, and anyone who PVPs has to be aware of them and take the precautions to avoid them. Blobs are slow and terribly cumbersome. Generally speaking, they are only used to fight over SOV structures and POSes and these days they usually just get titan/jump bridged directly into their target system. This means, they are for the most part easily avoided. Just do not ever get chumped into fighting over some idiot's tech moons and you should be fine.

For the most part, roaming gang PVP in Null exists in the 10-30 man gang range. There are plenty of these size fleets in space to go shoot at. Hell, just a couple of days ago both Test and Goons (the two alliances with the greatest stigma for blobbing) had 20 man fleets out that we ran into. There are also plenty of opportunities out there for solo pilots to find good fights. This takes skill, patience, and very good judgment to pull off though.

3. Null Sec PVPers are just looking for ganks, not good fights.
This is for the most part wrong. There are certainly quite a few players, corps, and alliances that are out there looking for nothing but kill board padding. This is however not the norm. These groups tend to push any of their members who actually have any kind of skill and enjoy playing the game away into better corps.

Will PVPers take a gank if it lands in their lap? Yes of course they will. However, most fleets are formed with a specific purpose or target in mind. The fleet comp and numbers are generally decided on in order to meet the target on roughly equal footing and actually get a good fight. Unfortunately targets often move, disperse, or were never there to begin with. A fleet might be flying much lighter than we initially assumed, or we might find a completely different target all together.

4. Living in Null Sec takes a huge amount of time and complete abandonment of real life.
This is just plain wrong. Yes there are some Alliances out there that have unrealistic expectations of their members. They are certainly the minority. It is completely possible to live and prosper in null while only dedicating a "casual" amount of time to the game. There are plenty of corps and alliances that are made up almost exclusively of people who fall into the less than 2 hours a day category.

5. Living in Null Sec requires years of SP training time in order to accomplish anything.
Completely wrong. The barrier to living in Null Sec is knowledge of game mechanics and the cunning to figure out how to accomplish the things that you are setting out to do. One of Rote's most active FCs currently has less than 6 million SPs, and has been actively contributing to fleets since he was only a few months old. Yes, SPs some what limit what you can do out here. As a low SP pilot there are certain things that will be out of your reach, but there are plenty goals you can work towards and plenty of ways to succeed.

More than anything else, living in Null Sec requires that you are capable of setting goals for your self, and are willing to put in the effort required to reach them. (Note: Effort != Time) People who do not do well with out some sort of structure always guiding them in the one "correct" direction will not do well in Null.



I will leave you with this solo/small gang PVP video as proof that there is life outside of the blob. It is getting late here and I can't be arsed to type anymore

Pretty Explosions

Good read thanks for posting. While I'm not convinced its quite as accessible or relaxed as you claim I do know hyperbole when I hear it and know that null isn't as awful as its most vocal critics would have people believe.

Being corp'd is most certainly a requirement and those chokepoints you mention are not insignificant; they are a brick wall for any bear.

Good read thanks for posting. While I'm not convinced its quite as accessible or relaxed as you claim I do know hyperbole when I hear it and know that null isn't as awful as its most vocal critics would have people believe.

Being corp'd is most certainly a requirement and those chokepoints you mention are not insignificant; they are a brick wall for any bear.

4. Living in Null Sec takes a huge amount of time and complete abandonment of real life.
This is just plain wrong. Yes there are some Alliances out there that have unrealistic expectations of their members. They are certainly the minority. It is completely possible to live and prosper in null while only dedicating a "casual" amount of time to the game. There are plenty of corps and alliances that are made up almost exclusively of people who fall into the less than 2 hours a day category.

Just curious why you people seem so desperate to convince highsec dwellers to risk Zero?
Really Dradius, you should be ashamed or just admit a lack of candor...

"1) It is impossible to move through null sec because every single gate is constantly camped."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".

"2) Null Sec PVP is nothing but blobs."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".

"3) Null Sec PVPers are just looking for ganks, not good fights."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".

"4) Living in Null Sec takes a huge amount of time and complete abandonment of real life."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".

"5) Living in Null Sec requires years of SP training time in order to accomplish anything."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".
__________

Then you conclude that :
" More than anything else, living in Null Sec requires that you are capable of setting goals for your self, and are willing to put in the effort required to reach them. (Note: Effort != Time) People who do not do well with out some sort of structure always guiding them in the one "correct" direction will not do well in Null."

which is a total "non sequitur" completely disconnected logically from your initial points.
Then you leave a video which may or may not be "posed" by actors.

You'll have to do much better than that to attract highsec dwellers.
Oh yes and did I remember to say that if you go to zero and you are not "blue" you will likely be BBQ?

You forgot to point out that every day the people that spend significant amounts of time in null sec, whether they are part of a null sec corp or not, run into countless people that are not blue. Amazingly they manage to survive and accomplish their goals without dying every day, otherwise they would not be able to afford to live there or go there often.

Obviously the easiest way to learn the ropes in null sec is to join a decent null sec corp and benefit from your corp mates experience and help. Going solo and hoping to accomplish anything of note is difficult (but not impossible) anywhere in the EVE universe.

The only people that cannot survive in null sec are either those that don't have the experience to do so yet, or those that refuse to believe (despite all evidence to the contrary) that it can be done. I'm wondering which of those two camps you belong to.

My main is the third kind, the kind that spends half his time in zero and half his time in highsec, doing quite well in both thank you, while Comrade spreads the good news about your kind.Big smile

To add:

1. CTAs are not the norm. If your alliance does CTAs, get out and find a real alliance.

2. Most of your alliance's money should be going toward member capital ship subsidizing, ship replacement/reimbursement, and sov bills/fuel. If your alliance finances are not public, get out and find a real alliance.

3. Whatever concept of "awesome PvP fights" you have, throw them out. I have been living in nullsec for two years now and there is no equal.

4. Nullsec is not PvPer only. Industry certainly has a place in nullsec, and can make you very, very rich. Just don't expect to be 100% safe while doing it.

5. Your goal should be to have fun. If you can't get over how much more ISK you can be making in highsec with less risk than nullsec, nullsec is not for you. We are here to have fun, not to have the fattest wallets. Alliances pay for your losses to try to help you reach that goal.

6. Nullsec is harsh. If the idea of a lawless frontier where players make their own empires and war for resources does not appeal to you, you are probably playing the wrong game. Nullsec does not need to be made safer. Players provide the security out here. Players are not infallible.

you could be having more fun in an empire corp, PVPing in low sec and with war targets

ahahaha oh god

Well look out nullsec for the flood of Empire folk embarking on their voyages.
1. Thats right only the choke points are camped.
2. 20-30 man gangs aren't blobs at all.
3. There are a bunch of gankers out there but they will only get you if you let'em.
4. Sure join a corp of fellow players who are rarely on, they will have your back... when they are online at least.
5.Lastly don't worry at all about skill points just learn game mechanics because in a blob you will likely be tackling anyways.

Your post fails because you have validated all the reasons why empire folks don't go to nullsec. BTW there are plenty of empire players with goals. Living in nullsec is merely there to say you did it. Once you have lived there for a month you realize that you could be having more fun in an empire corp, PVPing in low sec and with war targets. Nullsec is just tedious and thats why some folks don't go there.

You know, I am always amused at how the dirty, moralless, blood thirsty, null secers are always the one who post with constructive, helpful advice and generally add to the discussion in a meaningful way.

While on the other hand, people like Elrich and Commizar (who seem to have a problem with null sec and all those who have ever lived there) resort to ad hominem attacks, unsupported claims, and general tin foil hattery.

(This is the extent of the attention either of you are going to get from me in this thread.)

Who said I have a problem with nullsec players? I have problems with walls. I don't believe anyone in EVE should have an "I win" button, and warp bubbles are exactly that: an "I win" button for gate campers. If nullsec was really that cool of a place, would the community still need convincing after 7 years? If it were as simple as you say it is, would you have posters who constantly come to the forums to try to understand the "simple basic game mechanics"? Fun is what players are looking for in any sec area of EVE. Nullsec just tends not to be as much fun as other parts.

Who said I have a problem with nullsec players? I have problems with walls. I don't believe anyone in EVE should have an "I win" button, and warp bubbles are exactly that: an "I win" button for gate campers. If nullsec was really that cool of a place, would the community still need convincing after 7 years? If it were as simple as you say it is, would you have posters who constantly come to the forums to try to understand the "simple basic game mechanics"? Fun is what players are looking for in any sec area of EVE. Nullsec just tends not to be as much fun as other parts.

You are so unbelievably wrong it's ridiculous.

There are so many ways around or through bubbles. It just takes practice and losing a couple ships to learn.

Orly? how many ships? A player earlier described them as a means to keep un wanted players out of your territory. I think he is right, and warp bubbles do a really good job of that. I don't know maybe you worship at the hallowed halls of warp bubbles or something. I'd hate to see how you would have played EVE seven years ago.

1: No one ever said that. It was pointed out that most gate camps outside of choke points are of a temporary, spontaneous nature.

2: 20 - 30 man gangs aren't blobs, not even in high sec.

3: Gankers are dangerous... if you don't know how to deal with them.

4: Null sec players are online no more, and no less, than players in an Empire based corp. However, when they are on they tend to devote more time to team work than many (though not all) high sec corps.

5: Tackling is one of the most important roles in the game, and yes it can be done (and done well) by a relatively inexperienced player. So can scouting, being part of a roaming frigate or cruiser gang, or being part of a corps industrial back bone.

You seem to like this word tedious, you use it often. Null sec is no more, or less, tedious than the rest of EVE... in other words it's only tedious if you make it so. Perhaps you should be looking at the choices you make in your style of game play, rather than laying the blame on the game mechanics.

Bubbles work quite nicely for intercepting most vessels. However any members of the covert ops class (including covert transports), most interceptors, and properly set up T3 cruisers have an excellent chance of getting past them in the hands of an experienced pilot.

If you are looking to bring heavier combat vessels through, you need to bring enough support to punch a hole and a good scout to precede you.

Both of these scenarios can be a lot of fun for most people. I'm sorry you don't find them to your taste, but tens of thousands of people do.

In addition to the ships that can make it past nearly any gate camp that you listed above; Nearly anything with an MWD and a cloak that is smaller/faster than a BS can at least make it back to the gate and escape the way they came. Any MWD frigate, and a lot of cruisers can do the same with out the cloak.

Also: Bubbles don't kill people, the guys with really big guns sitting on the gate with them do =P

Edit: This is of course subject to certain factors. If the enemy is willing to comp tons of RSB and web bonused ships, it is possible to stop anything. As has been pointed out though, dedicated camps are an extremely rare thing in Null Sec; and when they do exist, they light up the map for anyone to see.

So what is your point, that players once they see the choke point camp should just high tail it back to the gate? I guess they did not get to experience nullsec... Which is the point of why some players don't go to null... Its camped out, with warp bubbles.

I am going to respond to this. Even though you are just trolling, there is a semi legitimate question in there somewhere if you look hard enough which others might want the answer to.

A. You should never jump into a permanent camp to begin with. You do not even need to go anywhere near the system that is camped to know that it is there and avoid it. Learn to use the free intel that the map statistics give you.

B. If some entity is dedicating the man hours to camp some gate for what ever reason, then guess what, you are not getting thought that gate. Go through a different one. The gates that get camped are usually the ones along the fastest route from highly populated areas of high sec to a particular region of low or nul.

If the extent of the thought you put into getting into null is "set destination" then yes camps are a problem.

Just curious why you people seem so desperate to convince highsec dwellers to risk Zero?

All nullsec is choked up.

All nullsec entry points are bubble camped unless you are going through a worm hole.

And you don't believe players should be able to effectively counter warp bubbles?

Just curious why you people seem so desperate to convince highsec dwellers to risk Zero?
Really Dradius, you should be ashamed or just admit a lack of candor...

"1) It is impossible to move through null sec because every single gate is constantly camped."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".

"2) Null Sec PVP is nothing but blobs."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".

"3) Null Sec PVPers are just looking for ganks, not good fights."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".

"4) Living in Null Sec takes a huge amount of time and complete abandonment of real life."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".

"5) Living in Null Sec requires years of SP training time in order to accomplish anything."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".
__________

Then you conclude that :
" More than anything else, living in Null Sec requires that you are capable of setting goals for your self, and are willing to put in the effort required to reach them. (Note: Effort != Time) People who do not do well with out some sort of structure always guiding them in the one "correct" direction will not do well in Null."

which is a total "non sequitur" completely disconnected logically from your initial points.
Then you leave a video which may or may not be "posed" by actors.

You'll have to do much better than that to attract highsec dwellers.
Oh yes and did I remember to say that if you go to zero and you are not "blue" you will likely be BBQ?

Oh yes and did I remember to say that if you go to zero and you are not "blue" you will likely be BBQ?

QFT for blue sec abloo bloo

No, it isnt actually.



No, they arent actually



There are ways to negate warp bubbles which can be used by anyone. Dont warp gate to gate. Use celestials to scan gates when there are people in system. If there is no celestials, dump cap and warp short. If you go through a gate that is bubbled, wait out your session timer, mwd back and jump back trough, wait or find another route - or if you have a covopscloak fitted - allign out of bubble, mwd, cloak and warp away as soon as you are clear. In a cloaky T3 with interdiction nullifier you can just forget about bubbles and warp gate to gate.


But yeah. Moving through null requires a pilot at the helm, not the autopilot. If that is what you want to do, then I cant help you.

[You know you are right. I just warped through a gate with cloaky fitted whatever I was flying, and I warped to a planet and then I warped through to the gate. no one ever decloaked me or anything. I mean I just trespassed all over that alliances space, but then I realized that there was no fun to be had. My cloaky ship was a poor isk generator, and I was constantly watching local. After ducking blob after blob using my game mechanics, I decided to return to Empire. There I could actually blow something up. I did not have to hide and dodge as much. I was able to turn a profit in seconds. After a while I forgot completely why I went to nullsec. Can someone remind me?

I dunno? You missed farming level 4s too much maybe? I was patrolling in a Vaga in null the other day, and stumbled across a Dread Gurista battleship in a belt. So I killed it. It dropped a Crystal Omega implant. It roughly equals doing about 60 level 4s.

I guess i just want to say: To each his own.

So its all about the isk for you? don't you find patrols a bit tedious?

...original post...

No, it seemed to be all about the isk for you the way you talk about "instantly turning profit". As for the patrol - Patrol = looking for a fight. And yes, I enjoy it.

Well good for you. I find patrols rather tedious. You know if you are so elite why don't you own your own corp?

I dunno? You missed farming level 4s too much maybe? I was patrolling in a Vaga in null the other day, and stumbled across a Dread Gurista battleship in a belt. So I killed it. It dropped a Crystal Omega implant. It roughly equals doing about 60 level 4s.

Well good for you. I find patrols rather tedious. You know if you are so elite why don't you own your own corp?

So what is your point, that players once they see the choke point camp should just high tail it back to the gate? I guess they did not get to experience nullsec... Which is the point of why some players don't go to null... Its camped out, with warp bubbles.

Cool story brah, this happens every day?

Who said I have a problem with nullsec players? I have problems with walls. I don't believe anyone in EVE should have an "I win" button, and warp bubbles are exactly that: an "I win" button for gate campers. If nullsec was really that cool of a place, would the community still need convincing after 7 years? If it were as simple as you say it is, would you have posters who constantly come to the forums to try to understand the "simple basic game mechanics"? Fun is what players are looking for in any sec area of EVE. Nullsec just tends not to be as much fun as other parts.

QFT for blue sec abloo bloo

a little patience goes a long way.

I will give you an example which you can believe or not.

Recently I was happily prancing around in Stain when I noticed a Tengu in JS-E8E.
Brought in my covops alt

Who said I have a problem with nullsec players? I have problems with walls. I don't believe anyone in EVE should have an "I win" button, and warp bubbles are exactly that: an "I win" button for gate campers. If nullsec was really that cool of a place, would the community still need convincing after 7 years? If it were as simple as you say it is, would you have posters who constantly come to the forums to try to understand the "simple basic game mechanics"? Fun is what players are looking for in any sec area of EVE. Nullsec just tends not to be as much fun as other parts.

If you think that will convince players to head out to null, keep dreaming. All nullsec is choked up. All nullsec entry points are bubble camped unless you are going through a worm hole. And you don't believe players should be able to effectively counter warp bubbles? why not? Are you a gate camper?

Are these lies supposed to make me want to try null-sec again?

Are these lies supposed to make me want to try null-sec again?

The problem with 0.0 as I see it, is that alliances became to big, in many cases they control more space then they can possible use, but because it is "their" space they deny others access to it. With the absurdly high moon goo profits there is also little incentive to allow renters in their space and a small alliance that tries to claim a part of 0.0, even a poor and uninteresting one, is just a target.

Another problem is disruption of activity, putting cloaking alts into a system has become a very common practice and one that is very hard to defend against. I know the arguments that are coming now, that it is possible to protect against that, but it usually means having a fleet on standby. In practice it is far more easy to disrupt the activities of neighboring alliances, then to protect your own.

Joining a large alliance has also not much appeal, the current CSM are fine examples of the specimen is such alliances, so the only existance they envision for other players is to be a slave or minion of their alliances, so people who want to stay more independent have also no place there.

at that point one can stop reading. the high sec dwellers you guys are so desperate to get into null are probably playing happily on their single account and don't want to bother with relogging on a cheap scout for every single system on their route through 0.0 . hitting scan each couple of seconds while doing some sites in a system with just ONE another player does not sound all that attractive either.

Lets just say that I have never had any problems funding my characters.

You don't NEED an alt, just as you don't NEED one to do hisec missions faster. I play on one character at a time.

Hey, if you're too scared to lose a ship occasionally then that's fine. At least admit it. Just say, "I, Inir Ishton, don't want to play a game in which I might get blown up. The thought scares the crap out of me."

(redacted)

If anything, the mere fact that my ISK income is vastly higher than highsec *saves me* tons of time. 90% of my EVE time is for the purpose of fun, not funding said fun.

Cool story brah, this happens every day?

so no then?
Cause farming lvl IVs will net you a nice, reliable money stream.

To add:

1. CTAs are not the norm. If your alliance does CTAs, get out and find a real alliance.

Fact or myth?

I have read numerous times on the (old) forums that pure industrial players are considered more as slaves to the corporation instead of as an equal member. Their goods or minerals are expected to go to the corp either free or at such a rate that running missions in Empire would be more profitable. Industrial players are expected to partake in attacks, defense, or roams at the whims of the directors. And most industrial players are shunned since macros can perform the tasks tiredlessly without question, much less bolting with corp assests.

Thats fine with me, they pay for their sub, and I have not the right to tell them how to play EVE, this whole discussion about buffing/nerfing one sec for the other is completely and utterly stupid.

I'm equally curious why people like you seem so desperate to convince highsec dwellers not to risk Zero.

Malcanis:
I'm not trying to keep highsec dwellers out of zero. CCP has done a good job of that without my help. I am criticizing CCP's game mechanics that are not conducive to new players subscribing to Eve and staying to compete in Zero because of compelling game content.

If CCP wants to re-energize Eve and Zero they need to do several things:

1) Eliminate or severly reduce warp bubble effectiveness. If a players have to spend a year just to figure out how to get past the front door, is anyone surprised when they quit in less than six months?

Well good for you. I find patrols rather tedious. You know if you are so elite why don't you own your own corp?

Because managing a proper 0.0 corporation in a proper 0.0 alliance is a hell of a lot of work? It's not just "push button, set tax rate, profit lol", like in highsec. You actually have to organize people, do diplomacy on a regular basis, work with allies, manage morale, hunt spies, and probably a bunch of other things. I, for one, am happy being a footsoldier for other people, because I doubt I could handle the paperwork.

[quote=Jr Instructorcon]To add:

1. CTAs are not the norm. If your alliance does CTAs, get out and find a real alliance.

2. Most of your alliance's money should be going toward member capital ship subsidizing, ship replacement/reimbursement, and sov bills/fuel. If your alliance finances are not public, get out and find a real alliance.
[/quote
Only the cfc does that as well, russians jsut rmt their alliance money

Hey, if you don't like warp bubbles, why aren't you mining and missioning in lo-sec? With the increased rewards over hi-sec, and no nasty warp bubbles to spoil everything, not to mention freely available NPC stations all over the place, it's a paradise for the individual player! The huge numbers of non-aligned players making a living in bubble-free lo-sec space are surely a testament to the workability of your argument!

EDIT: BTW I moved to 0.0 when i was less than 3 months into EVE. Please don't make up random statistics to "support" your argument.

Mal:
I too was in Cloud Ring within 3 months of starting Eve in 2005. So what? How does that fact change the barriers that keep new players from joining in the zero fray in ways that will motivate them to stay subscribed and not quit out of boredom or frustration?

Mining in losec? Surely you jest.

Why wouldn't people mne in lo-sec? After all, it's bubbles that keep people out of 0.0, and there are no bubbles in lo-sec. So surely people barred from 0.0 should be flocking to lo-sec right?

Indeed.

I'm quite sure it has nothing to do with being risk adverse, unwilling or unable to maintain a minimal amount of situational awareness, unwilling or unable to cooperate with other players, or a lack of combat or combat evasion experience.

I'll have to get back to Low Sec again soon, it must be a paradise now.

Fact or myth?

I have read numerous times on the (old) forums that pure industrial players are considered more as slaves to the corporation instead of as an equal member. Their goods or minerals are expected to go to the corp either free or at such a rate that running missions in Empire would be more profitable. Industrial players are expected to partake in attacks, defense, or roams at the whims of the directors. And most industrial players are shunned since macros can perform the tasks tiredlessly without question, much less bolting with corp assests.

Indeed.

I'm quite sure it has nothing to do with being risk adverse, unwilling or unable to maintain a minimal amount of situational awareness, unwilling or unable to cooperate with other players, or a lack of combat or combat evasion experience.

I'll have to get back to Low Sec again soon, it must be a paradise now.

You for one are happy to be a Droog who has settled for the crumbs off the table while the leadership parties on.
Sort of like one of those dogs you see in movies about feudal times where the Lords and Ladies throw you scraps from the feast table.

Malcanis:

Don't understand why you are fixated on mining?

The people I am talking about are highsec dwellers that would like to try to build a POS in zero and survive there in their Corporation. Mining only plays a part of that picture.

Mining in losec? Surely you jest.

Where is said system ? I'm looking for a place to hang out in from time to time.

And again, surely they're doing that in lo-sec?

GǪwhich you need forGǪ what, exactly?
If the money is enough to keep doing what you want (which is what he said), why do you need more?

In fact, if the money is enough to keep doing what you want, then yes, it is indeed nice and reliable enough a stream.

Still, no matter what anyone says, I have thrown enough disposable alt/frigates at 0.0 gate camps to see camping as an activity that must be as boring as mining. If campers think they are PVPers, and find some reason to look down at miners, they are somewhat misguided.

Let there be no myth about one thing: there are just as many people in 0.0 who have as little to do (and probably just as bored) as people in high sec.


We should all go beg for some live events after the next big patch.

I only have a single issue with Null sec ... cost

It is a player run environment which means that you are taxed to buggery and beyond to sustain your alliance - but why should an alliance need so much money - cap and ship reimbursement programs.... right....

My main has been in 3 "real" alliances and in each I had to pay between 15-20% OVER jita prices for ships and mods with the excuse sry reason given that it costs a lot to get the mods to me in null-sec.

Null sec may help the wallet in terms of bounties from rats and other sources, but you have to bleed isk for the privilege.

Malcanis:

Don't understand why you are fixated on mining?

The people I am talking about are highsec dwellers that would like to try to build a POS in zero and survive there in their Corporation. Mining only plays a part of that picture.

A lot of people are saying that getting into nullsec is almost impossible with all the bubbles and camps.

This is only true if you are trying to get in there as a solo pilot, not part of a nullsec corp. This problem is also very easy to solve: Join a nullsec corp. They have the logistics/scouts/knowledge how to get you stuff there.

Don't take the harde route and goto null all by yourself. It can be fun, but it is very hard for a new player. Joining a corp first will make this much easier.

I live in lowsec and I don't have much nullsec experience, I only lived there a couple of months. But I never had any problems getting in or out nullsec. I only had one account back then and there were always people only that helped me scout when I needed it.

Note to new players: When in a nullsec alliance/corp you have access to intel channels. These channels allow you to monitor the most important systems without a scout, making your job of moving around a lot more easy.

TLDR: Living in nullsec is not nearly as hard as all the trolls make it seem to be.

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No they aren't are they. And you seem to think that it has nothing to do with the hot drop that will visit them for LULZ.
You know maybe if you read the rest of my posts instead of trying to nitpick them you would know that I also said CCP needed to get rid of local chat and provide cloaks for POS so small Corps could have a chance at surviving for longer than the time it takes to light a cyno.

Honestly, how bad is a 15% tax when you only have to buy combat ships once, ever, and you're set for life? Seriously. Space Communism, it just works.

Ah, so now it's hot drops.

OK well what's the best way to deter hot drops by trapping them in place so they can be countered?

(hint, it involves T2 destroyers and rhymes with "trouble")

Ah, so now it's hot drops.

OK well what's the best way to deter hot drops by trapping them in place so they can be countered?

(hint, it involves T2 destroyers and rhymes with "trouble")

I only have a single issue with Null sec ... cost

It is a player run environment which means that you are taxed to buggery and beyond to sustain your alliance - but why should an alliance need so much money - cap and ship reimbursement programs.... right....

My main has been in 3 "real" alliances and in each I had to pay between 15-20% OVER jita prices for ships and mods with the excuse sry reason given that it costs a lot to get the mods to me in null-sec.

Null sec may help the wallet in terms of bounties from rats and other sources, but you have to bleed isk for the privilege.

Honestly, how bad is a 15% tax when you only have to buy combat ships once, ever, and you're set for life? Seriously. Space Communism, it just works.

and what do you want next?
- cloaked freighters with 0 seconds warp time? Don't forget: 0.0 corporation does heavy logistics.
- cloaked ratting ships to run anomalies in cloaked mode?

Your complete lack of understanding live in 0.0 makes your posts funny.....

and what do you want next?
- cloaked freighters with 0 seconds warp time? Don't forget: 0.0 corporation does heavy logistics.
- cloaked ratting ships to run anomalies in cloaked mode?

Your complete lack of understanding live in 0.0 makes your posts funny.....

Ah, so now it's hot drops.

OK well what's the best way to deter hot drops by trapping them in place so they can be countered?

(hint, it involves T2 destroyers and rhymes with "trouble")

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Your viewpoint is typical of an old Eve Vet who has forgotten what it was to be a new pilot in a new Corp in highsec Eve.
Your inablilty to put yourself in the shoes OF NEW SUBSCRIBERS who do not yet understand either the politcs or sometimes subtle nuances of game mechanics needed to survive and thrive in Eve is the very thing that too many of CCPs developers suffer from. The result is low retention fo new subscribers, fewer new pilots joining the fray in zero, and lost potential revenue to CCP.

But feel free to continue your e-peenal diatribes.

pardon me, but you were replying to a post about hotdrops with some drivel about this game's pitiful retention of new players (which has more to do with the game being terrible than ~bittervets~)

although I can't discount the possibility that you're outright insane and consider your opinions to be shared by far more people than in reality

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If you weren't afraid that many in this game and in CCP's halls might agree with what I say,
you wouldn't be spending so much of your time disputing me.

Unless, of course, you're just a troll.

http://trololololololololololo.com/

ahahaha oh god

ahahaha oh god

Just curious why you people seem so desperate to convince highsec dwellers to risk Zero?
Really Dradius, you should be ashamed or just admit a lack of candor...

"1) It is impossible to move through null sec because every single gate is constantly camped."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".

"2) Null Sec PVP is nothing but blobs."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".

"3) Null Sec PVPers are just looking for ganks, not good fights."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".

"4) Living in Null Sec takes a huge amount of time and complete abandonment of real life."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".

"5) Living in Null Sec requires years of SP training time in order to accomplish anything."

True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".
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Then you conclude that :
" More than anything else, living in Null Sec requires that you are capable of setting goals for your self, and are willing to put in the effort required to reach them. (Note: Effort != Time) People who do not do well with out some sort of structure always guiding them in the one "correct" direction will not do well in Null."

which is a total "non sequitur" completely disconnected logically from your initial points.
Then you leave a video which may or may not be "posed" by actors.

You'll have to do much better than that to attract highsec dwellers.
Oh yes and did I remember to say that if you go to zero and you are not "blue" you will likely be BBQ?