Context, previous sentence mentioned new players only.

You're looking for a problem that doesn't exist.

People can flipping your items needed to complete Epic Arc missions is actually a problem. You have no solution besides petitioning for the mission to be restarted.

Someone will call this working as intended, at which point we can all call him an idiot for saying a mechanic where you have to contact a GM every time to reset your entire mission is working as intended.

Not sure of the issue.

Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.

Anyone else would either:
1, ignore the can entirely,
2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time)
or
3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires.

If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission.

And? Seriously, what's the problem?

And? Seriously, what's the problem?

And? Seriously, what's the problem?

Find a mirror. Look in it. There's the problem.

No one wants to "interact" with you. They want to finish their mission.

If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission.

The problem, as I see it, is a lot of people seem angry that CCP is trying to raise the retention rates of new players.

Mr Epeen

The rule referred to by the OP is banning dropping yellow containers to bait people into going suspect.


Stealing mission loot and ransoming it back (regardless of whether the real intention is griefing noobs for tears or not) is perfectly fine according to the rules.

All you need to be "legal" is some pretense of it being to make money. The New Order "permits" are like this, because they do actually make money from permits, they have a loop hole that lets them grief new miners without getting banned providing they do not harass the same guy continually and make some attempt to "advertise" their rules.

The new rule is referring to the systems in the SOE epic arc for any age player, not just rookies. Many of the systems involved in the arc are not rookie systems, but you can get in trouble for stealing mission items even if they are not a rookie anymore. CCP has stated in another thread that non rookie players are free game.

As far as I know stealing mission items for ransom is not regarded as griefing and never has been in any system, not even a noob school system. Do you have evidence of anyone getting in trouble for flipping mission cans ?

Yes, I know of two people who regularly hunt players who have been playing for years and getting warnings from this.

Unwanted Interactions is A Huge part of EVE Online

Heaven forbid CCP not kowtow to the "high sec content creators", even when it conflicts with this silly idea of a successful business model. Didn't you know that griefers are the most important players in the game (next to the null sec cartel leaders), and create more interesting game play than anyone else, and by tightening the reins on them, Eve will be destroyed?

Find a mirror. Look in it. There's the problem.

No one wants to "interact" with you. They want to finish their mission.

Then they're playing the wrong game.

Might I suggest something in the single player area?

If your idea of EvE Online is baiting newbs into easy ganks I suggest it's not them playing the wrong game. It's you. Try actual PvP.

Plz keep on topic

What do the Changes to the rules mean

Who is Protected by them ?

Whats no longer allowed that once was allowed?

Warning: Attempting to abuse a new playerGÇÖs lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems. This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players into situations where you or others may open fire on them freely or scamming ISK or assets from them. Disregarding warnings to cease such behavior from authorized CCP personnel is considered to be in violation of section 6 of the EVE Online Terms of Service.

Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions as deemed necessary by CCP Games Customer Support Team.

Its no longer allowed to go after NON rookie players that are doing the epic arc in _any_ system that involves the epic arc as listed in the OP.

If you actually read into the big red box on the Rookie Systems wiki page, you find out newbies everywhere in EVE are protected.




The second, bold line is the key. "Other areas" is interpreted by me as "areas that are not the newbie designated zones", I.E. the rest of EVE.

It seems kind of silly at this point to have designated newbie zones, when the "other areas" clause effectively makes all of EVE a newbie zone.

Yes but this is now looking to be any player of any age despite CCP saying in that other thread that non rookies are fair game which is what tis thread is about.

What do the Changes mean

Who is Protected by them ?

Whats no longer allowed that once was allowed?

If your idea of EVE Online is putting artificial barriers around people, and saying that PvP shouldn't happen in certain places, then might I suggest Star Citizen, with the delightful PvP slider? That way, no one can touch you unless you agree to it first. And then hugs.

Artificial barriers


skill points

If you don't quit the mission but wait through a downtime, doesn't it reset and let you try again? You might not get the time bonus, but you don't have to quit the mission, either. IIRC, it worked for one of my newer corpmates a while back.

I ran the SoE almost 3 years ago, right after I started, and the guy trying to tempt me into picking up the can kept misspelling the name of the objective. Oops! :-)

I ran the SoE almost 3 years ago, right after I started, and the guy trying to tempt me into picking up the can kept misspelling the name of the objective. Oops! :-)

No when the objective says completed the mission will not respawn wether or not you even loot the item you need.

If the mission doesn't flag complete until you turn in the objective to the agent, wouldn't it respawn after downtime?

If the mission doesn't flag complete until you turn in the objective to the agent, wouldn't it respawn after downtime?

I guess I should go rerun the SoE -- for science or something. I need to refresh my memory about Alitura, anyway. I have an idea for a fanfic where an angry capsuleer gets all up in her face for sending them on crappy missions.

I will delightfully and without any remorse whatsoever pump projectiles into any target I think I can kill wherever I am. I will not check their incep date first to see if they are a newbies or not. I'll explode their pod too if I can catch it. And unless I get my "gf" returned or some other show of sportsmanship I won't convo newbies or replace their lost isk either. This is a fulltime PvP game. EvE has the worst PvE of any current MMO. The only thing that makes it fun is knowing that at any time someone can come **** in your part of the sandbox and learning how to deal with that.

I anxiously await my griefing ban for blowing spaceships the hell up in a spaceship blowing up video game. Then I'll go play DayZ or something.

I guess I should go rerun the SoE -- for science or something. I need to refresh my memory about Alitura, anyway. I have an idea for a fanfic where an angry capsuleer gets all up in her face for sending them on crappy missions.

I anxiously await my griefing ban for blowing spaceships the hell up in a spaceship blowing up video game. Then I'll go play DayZ or something.

I rerun it every 3 months for the faction standing choice at the end.

To get away from some of the boredom I have taken to running it in a different ship every time, Coercer one time, Thrasher another time, Wolf the next ... I am thinking of seeing how a Claw goes though I suspect an Intie, even with T2 AC will struggle with Dagan :D

Oh, when I was brand new, Dagan totally kicked my ass, and I figured I was the only person who had trouble with him. Once I sorta tentatively asked about it, one person who totally became my hero made something like 30 jumps to help.

I like your scientific approach. :-)

I will never understand this

Are you that pathetic and bad at EvE that you have to pick on new players? Is griefing newbies the only thing that gets you goin?

The fact that you went to look up the boundaries is a good thing. The fact you don't understand them is well sad. CCP has created this sandbox....and all they ask is you respect a couple of rules....maybe let new players grow...enjoy the game...help grow it ...maybe subscribe.

Want to kill something? Need mayhem and madness...head to low sec...or worse Jita. Tons of assorted targets. But for the love of cornflakes stay out of newbie systems...leave the sisters arc alone.

CCP has said in the past that Only Rookies Or new players are safe in a rookie system.

Ah, DayZ. If people think that EVE is bad, they haven't played DayZ. I once actively stalked someone for three hours, held them up at gunpoint, then made them drink bleach. After their ensuing death, I then took their can of beans and their flashlight.

I bet the forum posts from carebears who just want a safe place to scavenge cans of beans have already started.

Can-baiting low skilled players is the most pathetic form of PvP that I can imagine. Even barge gankers rank higher in my opinion.

I will never understand this

Are you that pathetic and bad at EvE that you have to pick on new players? Is griefing newbies the only thing that gets you goin?

Give me strength... the thread isn't about about killing rookies. It's about killing older players who believe they are protected whilst in designated rookie or SOE arc systems.

o/

I think it's cool. I started in 2003 and didn't have to put up with all the high SP losers people have to put up with today likely would have not stayed and contributed the thousands of dollars I have since then . They like to call it content creation buts it's actually just anti-social deliberate harassment of players that contributes nothing to the EvE community.

I'm hardly a carebear either, spent most of my time killing people in high sec wars but they always had a way out before the wars started.

People can flipping your items needed to complete Epic Arc missions is actually a problem. You have no solution besides petitioning for the mission to be restarted.

Someone will call this working as intended, at which point we can all call him an idiot for saying a mechanic where you have to contact a GM every time to reset your entire mission is working as intended.

So, even IF you get a new player who understands they are playing a game, and even if this new player is not going to be goaded into PM or comms and needled and snarked at until they are frothing, and thus not leaving content to be fetishistically shared on some out of game blog for other players who like to rile people up like that .

(And until that "community" is ready to explain not only WHY they do it, but why they are so motivated to share it, or as the question goes: Where do they get off doing that? Until I get an explanation I'm calling them fetishists)

That player is going to be made to feel as if they are babysitting, and they won't stick around.

New players running SoE Epic Arc should be left alone.

Did you read the OP at all?

You do realise that this thread is not about new players right?

It's simply a question about an in game action that was previously considered ok and whether any change has been made that protects old characters as well.

There's never any harm in asking questions and ensuring you play within the rules. What's so wrong with that approach?

Give me strength... the thread isn't about about killing rookies. It's about killing older players who believe they are protected whilst in designated rookie or SOE arc systems.

Yeah, because dozens of veteran players are running the SoE arc in order to get the exquisite Destroyers skill book. And those few that do for standings will fall for the can bait trick.

As someone else wrote, this whole thread appears to be a justification for "Oh my, I accidentally killed a newbie while aiming for 76B Machariels".

Besides, he's totally asking the wrong people. Only CCP can answer his questions, so I feel entitled to ridicule him.

You don't you can dock cancel the mission and start it over at anytime

Flipping items needed for epic arcs or COSMOS missions resulting more work for GMs to restart missions for those missioneers that they don't want. I can't imagine how many tickets being opened for this particular issue but I think GMs had enough and they are going to swing ban hammers, unless you can reset quest items by yourself you won't find something new change in future.

The problem is, and likely what CCP are actually cracking down on, those players that sit there suspect baiting, trolling, scanning and warping into peoples missions and grabbing the loot etc, who like to pretend that 'I wouldn't do it to a newbie intentionally, I was looking for a Vet player and made a mistake'. And there are quite a few of those who try and use the excuse that Vets aren't protected in the Newbie systems to justify baiting in the newbie systems. And then claim 'He shot me so of course I shot him back, how was I to know he was a week old'.

That kind of behaviour is them trying to edge around CCP's rules in order to get away with actual griefing of newbies. Which isn't wanted. It's one thing to shoot someone who should know better, it's another to set up a scenario designed to drag in people who don't know better right in front of a bunch of people who don't know better and then pretend that you weren't after them.

The rule referred to by the OP is banning dropping yellow containers to bait people into going suspect.


Stealing mission loot and ransoming it back (regardless of whether the real intention is griefing noobs for tears or not) is perfectly fine according to the rules.

All you need to be "legal" is some pretense of it being to make money. The New Order "permits" are like this, because they do actually make money from permits, they have a loop hole that lets them grief new miners without getting banned providing they do not harass the same guy continually and make some attempt to "advertise" their rules.

The 'New Order' is walking on thin ice, they know it and that's why they have taken measures to remain under CCP's radar. Griefers would do well to remember however that CCP are no fools, merely lenient. Pretense only does the trick insofar as CCP does not care.

The 'New Order' is walking on thin ice, they know it and that's why they have taken measures to remain under CCP's radar. Griefers would do well to remember however that CCP are no fools, merely lenient. Pretense only does the trick insofar as CCP does not care.

What mechanic are New Order using in an unintended way?

What mechanic are New Order using in an unintended way?

The letter of the law versus the spirit of the law is an idiomatic antithesis. When one obeys the letter of the law but not the spirit, one is obeying the literal interpretation of the words (the "letter") of the law, but not the intent of those who wrote the law. Conversely, when one obeys the spirit of the law but not the letter, one is doing what the authors of the law intended, though not necessarily adhering to the literal wording.

All these types of posts reek of disingenuousness and remind me of children dealing with parents' rules:
Parent: "Stay out of the living room!"
(Kid edges their toes right to the carpet, stretches as far as they can to reach things in the living room without stepping inside...)
Parent: "Hey! Get out of the living room!"
Kid: "But, I'm not in the living room! I'm in the hall, see!?"

It's not the mechanic. It's the intent, the raison detre, that comes into question.

Note: McCandles I wanna have a civil debate about this. Let's not shitshow it like yesterday, ok bro? No red mist, just a friendly back n forth.

For me, in Eve, the definition of what a griefer is isn't limited to mechanics, as there is so much that can be done here. It is not about the action of ganking, but the motivation for it (ganking for isk vs. Ganking for tears, gank+light trolling before moving on vs. Gank+heavy trolling to force a reaction of someone else's misery for their joy).

Ok, I see where you are coming from.

So what part of either their stated motivation or the motivation as others or yourself see it qualify it as griefing as opposed to ganking? *honest question, hands still up*

For me, in Eve, the definition of what a griefer is isn't limited to mechanics, as there is so much that can be done here. It is not about the action of ganking, but the motivation for it (ganking for isk vs. Ganking for tears, gank+light trolling before moving on vs. Gank+heavy trolling to force a reaction of someone else's misery for their joy).

Bunch of people arguing semantics in a EULA specifically written to be open to broad interpretation in the event of activities that hurt EVE rather than helping it.

Guys, haven't we learned anything?

/Fÿ¡

Taking COSMOS items is fair game and always will be. As are level 4 epic arc mission items. An exception for rookies cannot possibly apply to those, and no you shouldn't be pulling down 100s of mil without even the possibility of interdiction.

For me, in Eve, the definition of what a griefer is isn't limited to mechanics, as there is so much that can be done here. It is not about the action of ganking, but the motivation for it (ganking for isk vs. Ganking for tears, gank+light trolling before moving on vs. Gank+heavy trolling to force a reaction of someone else's misery for their joy).

I will delightfully and without any remorse whatsoever pump projectiles into any target I think I can kill wherever I am. I will not check their incep date first to see if they are a newbies or not. I'll explode their pod too if I can catch it. And unless I get my "gf" returned or some other show of sportsmanship I won't convo newbies or replace their lost isk either. This is a fulltime PvP game. EvE has the worst PvE of any current MMO. The only thing that makes it fun is knowing that at any time someone can come **** in your part of the sandbox and learning how to deal with that.

*Snip* Please refrain from discussing warnings and bans. ISD Ezwal.
*Snip* Please refrain from discussing other (non-EvE/Dust/Valkyrie) games. ISD Ezwal.

... Missions, ships, modules, incursions, officers are content. Please stop spouting this old incorrect rubbish.

Are you really being serious? You're actually playing the "it's the principle!" card?

I hate to break it to you, but a legitimate in game action remains so regardless of why someone does it. It doesn't suddenly become petition-able because you can manage to ascribe some motivation to us that you don't like.

Deal with it. Thanks for showing your twisted moral compass though.

There is no "moral compass" in a video game. There is no E-honor. There is what the rules of the game allow, and what they don't.

I don't become evil by running over a prostitute in Grand Theft Auto, I don't become a criminal by charging usurious rent in Monopoly, and I don't become a Somali pirate when I demand 10 mil for a permit fee.

It's not "evil" to kill miners, bro.

Are you really being serious? You're actually playing the "it's the principle!" card?

I hate to break it to you, but a legitimate in game action remains so regardless of why someone does it. It doesn't suddenly become petition-able because you can manage to ascribe some motivation to us that you don't like.

And hence why they unfortunately need to put the rules in, since you can't count on people to be reasonable about the whole thing. Its why we have half the laws we do in the rest of the world.

One must admit that there is a point. We wouldn't need stuff like this if the majority of EVE players could be counted upon to give newbies a break, or some times exercise discretion. Unfortunately there's always going to be a group of people who get off on really ruining it for others. I've made enough alts to know there's always someone hanging out in a newbie system looking to push those limits. Like the Starter systems, The SOE arc gives a defined hunting ground where griefing players can easily find the inexperienced prey they're after. Specific means to attack them. If you want to get an easy kill or just plain make it difficult for someone it doesn't get any easier. And hey guess what? That action hits CCP where it hurts. No subs, means no revenue. No surprise that its come to this. If one is unhappy that they're doing it, well you probably need look only in a mirror to see who's to blame.

The funny thing is, most of the griefers I've ever encountered really don't like it when they get a taste of their own medicine. they'll be the first ones on the forum complaining about how the game isn't balanced to favour their style of play.

Like the Starter systems, The SOE arc gives a defined hunting ground where griefing players can easily find the inexperienced prey they're after. Specific means to attack them. .

Deal with it. Thanks for showing your twisted moral compass though.

No, you are not eeeevil... you are just a dickhead

Would you like my honest opinion on the matter?

So much of this entire discussion is entirely the fault of the nature of the PvE content in this game. Most of it is static, repetitive, and in general ****ing brainless.

Most of it does not challenge the player, it does not force them to rise above their current state, it does not drive them to improve themselves in any way. Run the wheel enough times, get the cheese.

This causes problems in two ways. Firstly, quite a few of the people who don't like that kind of gameplay (I actively hate it, for example), have by now basically declared war on the very concept of PvE. We aren't out to get noobs or inexperienced players, persay, it's more of a coincedental result. That ties into the second point.

Secondly, since the vast majority of PvE content in the game does not make you learn a freaking thing about how to play the game correctly, they start out as noobs, and they stay noobs. Remember, it doesn't make you learn, so unless you are one of those rare self motivated people, you. will. not. get. better. Are we killing "noobs"? Yeah, probably. No matter how old their character is, doing it wrong is still doing it wrong. Old or new, they burn like everything else.

So, now, as you said, "defined hunting ground". That is CCP's fault, 100%. Those arcs basically don't move, it's as close to an on rails questline as EVE has in it. It takes a cursory use of Google to find out exactly where someone will be going on that route.

So, duh, people are going to hang out there. For the people who want to get kills, it is a guarantee of there being targets. It's a beautiful chokepoint. Predators go where the prey is.

If they don't want those systems to be perma camped, then those flipping missions need to be dynamic. If they don't want these incessant "victims" crying about being blown up, then they need to create PvE content to make them step up their game and learn to play.

But people need to stop asking for the bar to be lowered.

Two innocent carebears will be murdered in hisec because of this pansied heresy against the sandbox.

F

In response to this affrontery to HTFU and sandbox we are adding a +1 to the Kill-It-Forward queue.

In fact, because said 'rules' are being implemented based on web-site proclamations (laziness) rather than baking right into the game code, we are adding a +2...

Two innocent carebears will be murdered in hisec because of this pansied heresy against the sandbox.

When the nerfs stop, we will stop.

F

Really "Baiting noobs" in rookie systems? Baiting anyone is just sad, baiting in a rookie system is beyond sad. Learn to PVP against an opponent who may actually fight you back. Shooting fish in a barrel isn't really fun IMHO, or is it the "easy kills" and "killmail padding" that you are after.

The fact you even have to ask this kind of question is a reflection on how low some of the playerbase has stooped. Don't get me wrong I'm all for a good PVP matchup but picking on players in rookie systems is akin to the schoolyard bully beating up the nerdy new kid for his lunchmoney.

Oh dear, the old "because I shoot them they learn" -argument.

Only thing that those bears learn is that they should quit EVE and thus you taught them nothing.
also some veterans like me do missions on occasion for the same reason as I play solitaire to kill time.
Ever though about that someone might actually do PvE content to pass up time and for that it's good that PvE is as predictable as solitaire.
Can't remember which DEV it was that commented on rules long time ago but he said "If you can't dare to explain your mom what you're doing in the game then you're on thin ice."

Also targeting newbies and idiots specifically is like looking for "a rookie server" in FPS to pad your K/D-stats ie. about as lame as it gets but I wanna shoot anyone I want, eyah ,yeah, yadda, yadda.

Maybe it's time for a "reputation" rating based on your SP versus SP ratio. That is, if your kill stats are full of your 40 million SP versus somebody's 500K SP, that should show on your board. It should be an entirely new stat, but one that would bring shame.

NO, that is unfair and would discourage high skilled players who choose to partake in PVP.

An 8 year vet with 150+ mil SP would have a terrible reputation because most of the players he is going up against don't have as many SP. Are you gonna check the age/SP of a player while engaged in fleet combat?

Your corp war-decs another corp or your corp gets decced by another corp. Are you gonna remain docked because the players in the opposing corp are younger and less experienced?

10x the sec status hits for ganking and other tomfoolery in rookie systems.

I hate to tell you this, but the tech just simply isn't there to make it different. The AI just isn't there to accomplish this goal. EVE included, if you want any sort of PvE content, which is pretty much necessary in an MMO, you're always going to be stuck with the same sorts of missions/quests. Go there, kill that, deliver this here.

First, how to play the game correctly, is strictly your opinion, not something written in stone by CCP. Second, my argument would be is that the hunting of newbs is so active and persistent that they never have time to progress. EVE has a steep learning curve as it is. The process is making the game worse, there are new fresh players, no upstarts. Its stagnating a lot of the larger game because its some of the same people doing the same thing day in and out over the same territory. All MMOs need fresh blood to survive, especially a sandbox one.

In response to this affrontery to HTFU and sandbox we are adding a +1 to the Kill-It-Forward queue.

In fact, because said 'rules' are being implemented based on web-site proclamations (laziness) rather than baking right into the game code, we are adding a +2...

Two innocent carebears will be murdered in hisec because of this pansied heresy against the sandbox.

When the nerfs stop, we will stop.

F

In response to this affrontery to HTFU and sandbox we are adding a +1 to the Kill-It-Forward queue.

In fact, because said 'rules' are being implemented based on web-site proclamations (laziness) rather than baking right into the game code, we are adding a +2...

Two innocent carebears will be murdered in hisec because of this pansied heresy against the sandbox.

When the nerfs stop, we will stop.

F

We don't care.

Even if CCP sell EVE's soul it will not be enough. The end times have come.

Oh dear, the old "because I shoot them they learn" -argument.

Actually it does work. Beat on your children, smack them around when they give lip and give them a good thrashing occasionally even if they do nothing wrong and they will grow up to beat on their own children, smack them around when they give lip and give them a good thrashing occasionally even if they do nothing wrong

Actually it does work. Beat on your children, smack them around when they give lip and give them a good thrashing occasionally even if they do nothing wrong and they will grow up to beat on their own children, smack them around when they give lip and give them a good thrashing occasionally even if they do nothing wrong

What actually happens is that as soon as your children grow up, they kick the living **** out of you and then for good measure they burn down your house. With you still in it.

Lesson: Be good to your kids and you'll live longer.

Mr Epeen

Whether to fit a tank, go afk in open space, or use autopilot is not my opinion.

As for the rest, if there actually were some kind of pandemic of new players being actively suppressed, then things like RVB, Brave Newbies and such not only wouldn't exist, but they wouldn't be anywhere near as immensely popular as they are.

Furthermore, most of us do this kind of thing for profit. Newbies by definition barely have anything worth stealing. You're crying out the same logical fallacy as "Margin Scams hurt new players!" when we all know that they really don't, because new players don't have a billion isk to buy my Sansha's Armor coating for an inflated price. Sure, the occasional one might stumble into it after buying a bunch of plex and getting greedy, but that's the exception, not the rule.

"So active and persistent that they never have time to progress"? Do you even play this game?

Actually it does work. Beat on your children, smack them around when they give lip and give them a good thrashing occasionally even if they do nothing wrong and they will grow up to beat on their own children, smack them around when they give lip and give them a good thrashing occasionally even if they do nothing wrong

Why is one of the most common wrecks you see on a gate a rookie ship?

Actually it does work. Beat on your children, smack them around when they give lip and give them a good thrashing occasionally even if they do nothing wrong and they will grow up to beat on their own children, smack them around when they give lip and give them a good thrashing occasionally even if they do nothing wrong

Baited that guy in a rookie system .......

No one least of all myself is saying people should be allowed to kill rookies in a rookie system

For those of you who've determined that the best way to "learn noobs" is by killing them, have you tried ever, well you know. Taking hem as an apprentice, recruited them? Trained them by offering well just advice?

Nah, of course not, that would be constructive, and that's looked down upon by the players who "know" the rules.

Yet when I look at your killboard, I find you are killing newbies in a rookie system.... Arnon being defined as a rookie system.
So, practice what you preach, stop baiting in Arnon using the odd non rookie kill as an excuse for all the rookies I found you had killed in a 2 min look at your kill board, and go play in a non rookie area.

You are exactly the type of player who is making CCP 'Tighten the rules' because you keep pretending that you are following the existing rules and that you aren't griefing newbies with your actions.

Because those ships are free, everyone has one and most people have a few dozens, and since they're disposable people use them for transport? You do realize, I hope, that old players can and do fly those ships?

Heck, one of the more recent rookie ships I blew up had a 5 year old pod in it, and I got a nice set of implant kills, he had half a head full of Halos. Does that make me a griefer to you?

Saggitus, first you say "I do those things all the time and I don't get ganked randomly", followed by "this is why noobs are getting their asses handed to them".

If he is doing that, he should be petitioned and banned.

No tightening of the rules required. That's been off limits for quite a while: Grief Play

Yeah, its totally not because they're also the easiest ship to kill. While it might not always make you a griefer, what did you profit from said kill? You say that its done for profit. Last I checked, pods don't drop loot.

Precisely, what CCP needs to do first is more effective and active enforcement of their own rules

I think you would be surprised over how many people actually do this.

Nothing really matters PVP wise to me, until Valkyrie comes out anyway... that ****'s gonna be off the chain if they do it right

While seeking profit is what CCP have declared as a non-grief activity, they have also stated that:

"players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account... ...The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.."

"consistently maliciously interfering" is different to just killing a pod, even if the player shooting pods doesn't directly profit from it.

Plz keep on topic

What do the Changes mean

Who is Protected by them ?

Whats no longer allowed that once was allowed?

Read again, that's not what I said. Noobs aren't getting killed autopiloting, they're not getting killed flying without a tank. They're getting killed because its easy for someone with more skills and a better knowledge of the game to take advantage of them and especially kill them when they're in some cases hours old.

Lol what? Pretty sure no single player in the entire game has gotten more people killed than autopilot. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

Yes, that's a perfectly valid reason to violence someone's space canoe. Multiple times!

can baiting

hi gm lelouch

"can baiting" does not exist anymore

hi gm lelouch

"can baiting" does not exist anymore

it has always been somewhat of a mystery to us why the starter systems, and rookies going through the initial steps of the tutorial in particular, have been such a popular target for can baiting.

Is it rookies in rookie systems, or the very act of baiting in rookie systems themselves?

If that is the case, CCP is then not only creating a safe zone for rookie players, but all mission runners within rookie systems and surely that is not the intent? If I bait (or gank) a one month old toon in a rookie system and splode him, surely he is responsible at that point for his own detonation?

Specifically, please confirm:
1) What defines 'rookie', 1 week old, 2 weeks old...
2) Can non-rookies be sploded in rookie systems?

I thank you for the enlightened conversation and churn that these rule proclamations by web-site generate in terms of players having to read tea-leaves, as opposed to just coding for it in-game and letting people have at it.

F

Lol what? Pretty sure no single player in the entire game has gotten more people killed than autopilot. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

There are thousands of solar systems in EVE and it has always been somewhat of a mystery to us why the starter systems, and rookies going through the initial steps of the tutorial in particular, have been such a popular target for can baiting.

hi gm lelouch

"can baiting" does not exist anymore

They're the dumb ones, the smart ones put you in a nursing home, where you're fed pureed catfood and beaten by the nurses. You can't complain because you're non-stop on the tranqs and meanwhile the kids are selling ur house, car, and visit ya once a year to pinch you under your soiled blankies.

Is it rookies in rookie systems, or the very act of baiting in rookie systems themselves?

If that is the case, CCP is then not only creating a safe zone for rookie players, but all mission runners within rookie systems and surely that is not the intent? If I bait (or gank) a one month old toon in a rookie system and splode him, surely he is responsible at that point for his own detonation?

Specifically, please confirm:
1) What defines 'rookie', 1 week old, 2 weeks old...
2) Can non-rookies be sploded in rookie systems?

I thank you for the enlightened conversation and churn that these rule proclamations by web-site generate in terms of players having to read tea-leaves, as opposed to just coding for it in-game and letting people have at it.

F

Is it rookies in rookie systems, or the very act of baiting in rookie systems themselves?

If that is the case, CCP is then not only creating a safe zone for rookie players, but all mission runners within rookie systems and surely that is not the intent? If I bait (or gank) a one month old toon in a rookie system and splode him, surely he is responsible at that point for his own detonation?

Specifically, please confirm:
1) What defines 'rookie', 1 week old, 2 weeks old...
2) Can non-rookies be sploded in rookie systems?

I thank you for the enlightened conversation and churn that these rule proclamations by web-site generate in terms of players having to read tea-leaves, as opposed to just coding for it in-game and letting people have at it.

F

Is it rookies in rookie systems, or the very act of baiting in rookie systems themselves?

Feyd tried lowsec and got his sacri dunked by a t3 fleet. Thus he spergs and blaps highsecbros to grow his ego back.

vOv bads gonna bad

Is ego also the reason you constantly sperg and blap personal attacks in the forum?

Not really. I just don't like him.

Then perhaps just block him and save everyone else a bunch of bad forum posts.

Then perhaps just block him and save everyone else a bunch of bad forum posts.

Perhaps you should take your own advice?

The guy brags about it. He likes seeing people leave Eve if they dont mold to his vision of the sandbox. If anyone calls him for a real fight he laughs from highsec and kills more bears. If he actually retaliated from my posts and came to fight, I'd have gained a little respect for him.

As it stands, he just comes off as self righteous in his ganking. It's everything I stand against. Sorry if it annoys you.

And you suck. You had your chance to be a leader against a lame organization, but you .. same as others.. chickened out. Instead of being a silent killer, you become the most popular char on NO site.

Hu?

What did I miss here?

Nothing. Just Anslo being a looser.. as always.

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Is ego also the reason you constantly sperg and blap personal attacks in the forum?