Pages: 1 2 [3] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |
Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
67
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 03:06:00 -
[61] - Quote
Doireen Kaundur wrote:Laiannah Sahireen wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:Laiannah Sahireen wrote: Lots of people like this program and CCP are being crystal clear about how their future plans, regardless of your personal taste, aloof attitude or the fact you think you're clever for referring to emails from the Incarna debacle.
Those Who Forget the Past Are Doomed to Repeat It That was a spectacularly empty quote. CCP created a PR disaster with Incarna, players revolted, this time they're being completely upfront about it and people are being receptive. It's a completely different scenario. Those Who Post Quotes With A Capital Letter For Each Word Are Not As Smart As They Think They Are. This has nothing to do with my "smarts." It has to do with skins that I dont feel are worth buying. It's my opinion and my money. So why are you using personal attacks for stating my opinion?
Because you're voicing your opinion in a public forum with a snarky attitude and taking jabs at the devs that are uncalled for. As this is a public forum, I get to call you out on it.
If it was really just about your opinion and your money, you'd keep it to yourself and not spend anything. |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1576
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 03:11:00 -
[62] - Quote
Doireen Kaundur wrote:I'll pass. Offer me something worth buying first before making promises that there are better things to come. Seems CCP is still believing that garbage about "paying more attention to what players do rather than what players say."
I've got a song for you,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSQixvNNsyw
But I'll take out the most important quote for you.
Quote: All we ever want is indecision All we really like is what we know
You may ask, how does that apply here? Well, those 2 lines perfectly describe this community. People have long lists of undefined wants that CCP should work on, however whenever CCP starts trying to implement one they get an inevitable backlash. For any feature, there is a group that opposes it for some reason. And, for some features, people don't really know what they want, they just know that they want it now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Azz-6oT08c
For example, you talk about how you want better options, however you are unable to clearly articulate the alternative you have in mind. In many ways, you are behaving exactly like Rainbow Dash saying that you just want it to be cooler, but being unable to explain how to make it cooler or what is uncool about it.
Rarity, of course, plays the role of CCP here trying to balance the sea of feedback and ideas from her customers in order to make something they will enjoy and, in this episode, giving them exactly what they want doesn't work out so well.
Simply put, CCP is, like Rarity, a professional. Someone who has been in the business a long time and knows what a good idea and a bad idea sound like. CCP is going to balance player feedback with their own ideas and experience to create a solution that doesn't please everyone, but gets the job done.
CCP is doing a controlled experiment to gauge interest using the market, because that is the best way to do it. Since most people don't really know what they want until they see it, it's the only good way of determining if this idea is worth developing further. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Doireen Kaundur
574
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 03:11:00 -
[63] - Quote
Laiannah Sahireen wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:Laiannah Sahireen wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:Laiannah Sahireen wrote: Lots of people like this program and CCP are being crystal clear about how their future plans, regardless of your personal taste, aloof attitude or the fact you think you're clever for referring to emails from the Incarna debacle.
Those Who Forget the Past Are Doomed to Repeat It That was a spectacularly empty quote. CCP created a PR disaster with Incarna, players revolted, this time they're being completely upfront about it and people are being receptive. It's a completely different scenario. Those Who Post Quotes With A Capital Letter For Each Word Are Not As Smart As They Think They Are. This has nothing to do with my "smarts." It has to do with skins that I dont feel are worth buying. It's my opinion and my money. So why are you using personal attacks for stating my opinion? Because you're voicing your opinion in a public forum with a snarky attitude and taking jabs at the devs that are uncalled for. As this is a public forum, I get to call you out on it. If it was really just about your opinion and your money, you'd keep it to yourself and not spend anything.
You seriously need to get a life.
A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
180
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 03:24:00 -
[64] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Top tip of the day: understand the feature and its scope before complaining about it.
But, they want their ships to look gay like their little character pictures. |
arabella blood
Revenant Tactical
264
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 06:41:00 -
[65] - Quote
Main problem for me is the mess it makes on the market. If for every new painted option of a ship there will be new matket item, it will create a huge mess.
I think by far the best option is to make a new ship fitting slot which can recieve paint module. It will create a new market for those paint modules and there will be a whole industry around it. It will be easier to implement a new color etc. Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
Abigail Sagan
Skeleton Liberation Front
53
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 07:50:00 -
[66] - Quote
IDGAD wrote:Fully custom paint jobs would take a lot more work than creating pre-painted skins which obviously enough people seem to be enjoying. Besides, if we gave the players the chance to paint their own ships, all we would have is **** colored thoraxes and pink caracals. Is that really want you want OP? Dickthaxes and vaginacals?
Would that not be more sandboxy than the current choose regular or non-regular? If we were allowed to freely paint our ships, would that not create more 'content' by allowing us to blow up ships that offend our sense of style?
The bad side of free coloring for CCP would be two fold; first is that CCP might not get as many RL iskies as they now get. Second is that freely made custom skins we might get to see trademarked (or other) images on EVE ships and that might get CCP to real trouble. Both of those can be circumvented though; first by having paints or paint-formula BPCs sold in Nexus store. Second by not allowing images, but only color-sets to the ships ("I use black, white and red, so I buy BPCs for those paints, and I choose flame-pattern.")
Well, there is actually a third bad side too; CCP would actually need to code something new to allow that kind of color use. With the current way they can rely on old code and don't have to think. We would not want to force them to think/work, do we? ;)
Some have voiced concern that the current system will create a mess on the ship Market, but CCP can probably fix that relatively easily by adding a hide "custom"-skin option. CCP, please add it soon. (Sorry, I cannot call current solution custom skins. They are premade skins after all, not custom.)
Honestly, I think it would be too big work for the result and I happen to think that even the current way has been too cumbersome. If it takes the artist team several days to create a new paint job for a single ship, their time would be better spent elsewhere. (And no, I don't know how long it takes them to create a single skin, but we have 8 skins to choose from so it cannot be too quick process, can it?)
|
Grunanca
Doughboys Shadow Cartel
208
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 08:05:00 -
[67] - Quote
IDGAD wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:IDGAD wrote: if we gave the players the chance to paint their own ships, all we would have is **** colored thoraxes and pink caracals. Is that really want you want OP? Dickthaxes and vaginacals? Lets be honest. The answer is of course. In a flat second Actually vaginicals sound like it could be a legit caracal fleet composition lol. What would they be?
Would be caracals with defender missiles. Or maybe that would be the cockblock fleet... |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1292
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 08:08:00 -
[68] - Quote
Stop giving CCP advice to make new slot for your paintbrush. Skin, paint goes on the hull, not in some slot.
Paint system should allow you to make customizations in the same way as you can do with your character in game. And after repackage it should be scraped, if you are destroyed it should be scraped. If you would like to sell with paint on the hull - use contracts. This should work like that. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. |
Dominic karin
Trojan Legion Fidelas Constans
39
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 08:10:00 -
[69] - Quote
[bittervet] [false sense of entitlement]
I don't care about the skins. what I care about is them tacking on yet another ****** 'feature' to the plex Cash Shop driving plex prices up another 100m, and probably more when the more expensive skins get released (Orca, Rorq etc) Right now I know one of the battleship skins costs more than a plex for the BPC.
CCP: If you're going to implement a cash shop just implement a cash shop, stop ******* with my play ticket.
[/false sense of entitlement] [/bittervet] |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
208
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 08:23:00 -
[70] - Quote
Doireen Kaundur wrote:Ev3rM0r3 wrote:Every new ship you release furthers my disappointment. Who wants a rusty looking paint job on a ship? That's not what players had in mind, from all the picture posts and renders of custom ships and hell even ones I did, making it a rustic looking orange spatter is not what people had in mind. Painting your ship should be about you showing it off, showing a uniqueness, and making it look badass with several customizable skin options, none of this prefab paint job nonsense. They downright are ugly, or so dark its very un-distinguishable unless you are close up. CCP would it be so hard to take players advice as is for once instead of taking the idea and attempting to put just your own spin on the idea. You have these discussion forums up for a reason, use their advice as is. What i was hoping for was a wide library of paintjobs/shades to choose from. Not the current implementation via blueprints. Yes, I too am disappointed.
It's what I was hoping for too, but the blueprints are acceptable as well... apart from not being able to apply it to already assembled and rigged ship which is a minor issue.
The thing is, if a library of shades was introduced more players will play with it and choose to invest some $$$ for their desired skin. If only blueprints are available, then some players (me included) will wait for their specific hull or specific faction to become available.
Anyway, blueprints for CCP issued paint and ships with special issue names are not a complete miss. Blueprint mechanics should definitively stay since it's a good way of bringing in CCP's special issue ships. Who knows, maybe the tech behind the blueprint mechanics will evolve over time to include the other painting option as well. It's time: Disconnect PLEX to AUR conversion.You can read more details at the "Features & Ideas" forum thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4439504#post4439504Please support if you like the idea or post the downsides if you don't. |
|
i-AA
Cream Pie Carpet Munchers
4
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 08:34:00 -
[71] - Quote
You guys NEED to respect CCP a lot more than just non sense bashing it. Because at CCP people work and do what they love, they enjoy to do it and express themselves through creative thoughts and ideas into the game.
CCP is not a company for requests and heres my money.
CCP might listen and get some ideas off your ideas, but your idea is NOT an order for CCP.
Keep this in mind,.. people at CCP work and like to do what they do, its not because "oh hey I have a job and get paid".
|
Seraphi Nephalis
Seraphi Nephalis Corporation
26
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 09:23:00 -
[72] - Quote
arabella blood wrote:Main problem for me is the mess it makes on the market. If for every new painted option of a ship there will be new matket item, it will create a huge mess.
I think by far the best option is to make a new ship fitting slot which can recieve paint module. It will create a new market for those paint modules and there will be a whole industry around it. It will be easier to implement a new color etc.
This is.....elegant.
Why don't they do it like this?
|
Elmonky
Titans of The Short Bus
8
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 09:48:00 -
[73] - Quote
Quafe symbol scrawled down the side of my Dominix Finn's Face from Adventure Time on my launched missiles and various lightning bolt decals for my jettisoned cans and exhaust vents
In fact if i can make my Drake look like the orange car from the Fast and the Furious ........ |
arabella blood
Revenant Tactical
265
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 10:25:00 -
[74] - Quote
Seraphi Nephalis wrote:arabella blood wrote:Main problem for me is the mess it makes on the market. If for every new painted option of a ship there will be new matket item, it will create a huge mess.
I think by far the best option is to make a new ship fitting slot which can recieve paint module. It will create a new market for those paint modules and there will be a whole industry around it. It will be easier to implement a new color etc. This is.....elegant. Why don't they do it like this?
I dont know :( I am pretty sure the tests they mention during this pilot program are mostly related to the price of the painted ship and not the actual paint method.
Dye modules (or runes, or whatever in other games) are industry standart. Just think of the possebilities: 1. Easy to introduce new colors. 2. Easy to create a slot for a corp emblem. 2. Related industry in producing those dye mods. 3. Managable system overload - a client can just turn them off like he can turn off turrets on ships. 5. You can price them and they will be counted on kill mails.
The current system is insanely not friendly or logical. Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1292
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 10:29:00 -
[75] - Quote
i-AA wrote:You guys NEED to respect CCP a lot more than just non sense bashing it. Because at CCP people work and do what they love, they enjoy to do it and express themselves through creative thoughts and ideas into the game.
CCP is not a company for requests and heres my money.
CCP might listen and get some ideas off your ideas, but your idea is NOT an order for CCP.
Keep this in mind,.. people at CCP work and like to do what they do, its not because "oh hey I have a job and get paid".
If they express themselves through creative thoughs and ideas, than wy are here to say that those ideas are bad.
Heres my money, and oppinion. Not respecting oppinions? Less money for them.
We have seen some developers here that go to another games, so i think that love part is overrated, if they have enough, they should leave and move where they want, but people in general would like to "have job and get paid", even when its just a job.
What pies are you munching? When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2128
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 11:39:00 -
[76] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Expectation is the mother of disappointment.
I bet first time you heard that it was comming from your wife ... right .. ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
|
|
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1130
|
Posted - 2014.04.10 12:06:00 -
[77] - Quote
As there is already an official feedback thread on the same topic, this one gets a lock.
The rules: 16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 [3] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |