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Xerxes X	Posted - 2006.05.10 09:56:00 - [1] Many thanks to CCP for posting the Trinity pictures in the Dev Blog. Trinity is defininely a step forward. The new Tier 3 Amarr BS is looking fantastic too. A couple of small concerns though. The main concern is that the surface of the Scorpion appears to be cluttered. In the past one of the noticable design features of Caldari ships was the emphasis of planar-slabs of geometry, like the surface of massive office buildings thus evoking impressions of their capitalist mentality. This has now been lost on the Scorpion with the introduction of additional gratings and ridges. I get the feeling that just adding Trinity effects and tweaking the texture map slightly would create a better Scorp and be easier to modify the remaining Caldari fleet. The next observation is the Scorp and Megathron do seem quite dark - but maybe that is Trinity taking into account of the ambient light. The other minor observation (and is probably being handled) is that the mining laser and weapons on the Impairor still need updating. Other than that, the changes are a definite improvement and a step closer to perfection. Xerxes X
Lunaticdie04	Posted - 2006.05.10 12:53:00 - [2] People ***** about anything I joined BoB and all I got was this crappy sign 族
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.05.10 12:59:00 - [3] Originally by: Xerxes X The main concern is that the surface of the Scorpion appears to be cluttered. In the past one of the noticable design features of Caldari ships was the emphasis of planar-slabs of geometry, like the surface of massive office buildings thus evoking impressions of their capitalist mentality. This has now been lost on the Scorpion with the introduction of additional gratings and ridges. ...actually, imho, the new scorp design, even if it's still just a work in progress, realy demonstrates the high-tech, no-frills, all-out-war mind of caldari imho. I always belived that, contrary to the gallente, wich favour a more organic and more eye-pleasent design of the ships, or a more traditionalistic and strong design of the amarrian, or even the rushed design of the minmatars, caldari ships were made with utility and performance over design. ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
vecdran	Posted - 2006.05.10 13:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Xerxes X Many thanks to CCP for posting the Trinity pictures in the Dev Blog. Trinity is defininely a step forward. The new Tier 3 Amarr BS is looking fantastic too. A couple of small concerns though. The main concern is that the surface of the Scorpion appears to be cluttered. In the past one of the noticable design features of Caldari ships was the emphasis of planar-slabs of geometry, like the surface of massive office buildings thus evoking impressions of their capitalist mentality. This has now been lost on the Scorpion with the introduction of additional gratings and ridges. I get the feeling that just adding Trinity effects and tweaking the texture map slightly would create a better Scorp and be easier to modify the remaining Caldari fleet. The next observation is the Scorp and Megathron do seem quite dark - but maybe that is Trinity taking into account of the ambient light. The other minor observation (and is probably being handled) is that the mining laser and weapons on the Impairor still need updating. Other than that, the changes are a definite improvement and a step closer to perfection. Xerxes X I think it's a much better style than the old one. It's no-nosense military design. I cannot wait to see the rest of the caldari ships, this new style is definitely going to benefit them. Yes, the ships look darker because now they self-shadow, instead of having full ambient lighting like before.
Xerxes X	Posted - 2006.05.10 13:12:00 - [5] Edited by: Xerxes X on 10/05/2006 13:12:24 Originally by: Grimpak ...actually, imho, the new scorp design, even if it's still just a work in progress, realy demonstrates the high-tech, no-frills, all-out-war mind of caldari imho. I always belived that, contrary to the gallente, wich favour a more organic and more eye-pleasent design of the ships, or a more traditionalistic and strong design of the amarrian, or even the rushed design of the minmatars, caldari ships were made with utility and performance over design. I agree, but the old design concept of the Scorp exemplifies that more in my mind. The newer design looks more - industrial - something that the Minmatar ships are associated with. In fact, I'm wondering if I'm starting to see some patches of rust on the new Scorp Prefer the cleaner lines of the old model, which gives a more "no-frills-alien-radio-noise-death-machine" feel to it. Xerxes X
Xerxes X	Posted - 2006.05.10 13:21:00 - [6] Edited by: Xerxes X on 10/05/2006 13:24:24 Thanks for the confirmation on the self-shadowing. I still think large flat surfaces look cooler on Caldari ships - like the large architectural expanse of modern capitalist buildings (but with missiles and engines! ) and filled with "fund-managers-with-guns" Xerxes X
Bazman	Posted - 2006.05.10 13:21:00 - [7] The new Scorp looks fantastic. Tell you something though, everyone is going to train for the Megathron now. OMFG! ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Kalaan Oratay	Posted - 2006.05.10 13:24:00 - [8] The skin for both the Megathron and the Scorpion do seem to be the navy issue... probably being used at E3 as they'd look 'cooler' and more menacing. However, seeing that the difference between the navy issue and the standard issue will wind up being a change in paintjob (aesthetically speaking of course), I do hope they make the base scorpion skin less cluttered. Far to much going on there for a Caldari ship ---
Berak FalCheran	Posted - 2006.05.10 13:27:00 - [9] IMHO, The Abaddon looked fantastic... and the rest of the new ships looked terrible. Same models, just with more crap on the surface, basically. Way too cluttered and dark. Apparently I'm just about the only person to not like any/many of them though. So just ignore me... YOU LOVE THE BLINKING
MuffinsRevenger	Posted - 2006.05.10 13:43:00 - [10] why dose the apoc have a forrest sticking out of it's ass? :/
Uther Doull	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Berak FalCheran IMHO, The Abaddon looked fantastic... and the rest of the new ships looked terrible. Same models, just with more crap on the surface, basically. Way too cluttered and dark. Apparently I'm just about the only person to not like any/many of them though. So just ignore me... i'm with you m8, most of them are horrible. i only like the abaddon, even though the concept art looks 10 times beter than the model
Bazman	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:21:00 - [12] Seriously, to the people that say they look horrible, would you rather keep the junky looking, half-bugged ships we have now? All these ships look godly compared to what we have right now ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Terrak2	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Uther Doull Originally by: Berak FalCheran IMHO, The Abaddon looked fantastic... and the rest of the new ships looked terrible. Same models, just with more crap on the surface, basically. Way too cluttered and dark. Apparently I'm just about the only person to not like any/many of them though. So just ignore me... i'm with you m8, most of them are horrible. i only like the abaddon, even though the concept art looks 10 times beter than the model Of course it did, it's a concept. Concepts don't have to be rendered in real time. -- Terror Legion - Recruiting
Xeaon	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:29:00 - [14] Also to the people saying they're horrible, please post a fully skinned ship model you made yourself, ta. Seriously, if I was an artist like the guys who made the new ships i'd be so ****ed off if some guys kept saying everything i did was 'horrible'
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:33:00 - [15] Opinions vary, i guess. I think they all look incredible. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Wotar	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Xeaon Also to the people saying they're horrible, please post a fully skinned ship model you made yourself, ta. Seriously, if I was an artist like the guys who made the new ships i'd be so ****ed off if some guys kept saying everything i did was 'horrible' Then I don't recommend you get a creative job, because you hear a lot of that sort of thing. I've presented designs in the past to be told straight to my face 'omg its so boring, looks terrible'. You just have to get over it and the best way is to tell yourself that the person who said it has no clue about aesthetics. Then I see the same guy drive off in an ugly little car back to his mock-Tudor house, and I feel a little vindicated. In short: it goes with the territory and you can't please all the people all the time.
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:40:00 - [17] Edited by: j0sephine on 10/05/2006 14:43:02 "These are works in progress. It's not final stuff, just stuff we're showing to the press (and you all of course) to illustrate the new level of detail. The creative director has even made some changes to the ships in the last few hours here in the booth at E3." The Scorpion looks like she's covered with hand-painted concept sketch rather than with rendered high-detail texture, so hopefully she'll look quite different once done. Especially these hideous windows ;.;
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:41:00 - [18] I think the new designs are some of the best looking ships I have seen even over stuffs in anime. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Berak FalCheran	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:44:00 - [19] Edited by: Berak FalCheran on 10/05/2006 14:44:46 Originally by: Xeaon Also to the people saying they're horrible, please post a fully skinned ship model you made yourself, ta. Seriously, if I was an artist like the guys who made the new ships i'd be so **ed off if some guys kept saying everything i did was 'horrible' Cry me a river? I didn't say I could do better. I simply expressed my opinion regarding the update. I kinda just figured we were all entitled to do that (you know, since everyone else is doing that) And I can't imagine someone would be that scarred by the knowledge that not everyone loved everything they did (omg, the shock! ) Puhlease.... I just like the clean lines of the originals better, that's all. YOU LOVE THE BLINKING**
Xerxes X	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:50:00 - [20] Edited by: Xerxes X on 10/05/2006 14:52:07 At this point I'd like to underline how lucky we are to have a game like Eve run by a company like CCP who are willing to preview their forthcoming content and (to a certain extent) respond to comments from their player-base. In the long run it is beneficial to both parties. Like me, many of my fellow players are passionate about the Eve universe and its stylistic and culturalistic heritage. While I would say that none of these models are horrible (in fact the work gone into Trinity make them all look TECHNICALLY beautiful), many of us are passionate about maintaining consistent stylistic individuality between the races. The exception to this is the Minmatar race, who are still evolving their technology and stamp of individuality (however I wonder if it is too early in the storyline to introduce a radical surge in Minmatar development). So, to me, the breaking up of large flat surfaces on the Scorp is almost as glaringly inconsistent as painting it gold and giving it a laser bonus. If we head down this path, then are we in danger of losing an individual feature of the Caldari ships? Xerxes X
Diana Merris	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:57:00 - [21] Most of the new ships look much better although I agree with someone who said the colors are oversaturated. The one ship that doesn't look right is the Scorpion. Adding some extra details on the skin to make it look bigger and more impressive is good but I feel this is too clutered and too dark. The boxy grey "all we care about is function and efficiency" look is what says Caldari to me. The new Scorpion doesn't have that.
Gabriel Magnar	Posted - 2006.05.10 15:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Lunaticdie04 People ***** about anything QFT, Jesus.
Ly'sol	Posted - 2006.05.10 15:20:00 - [23] Primary reason EVE ships are one of a kind is because they do NOT fit what people expect them to be. That gives originality. The uglier and more contrary to peoples expectations the better.
Hungry Eyes	Posted - 2006.05.10 16:10:00 - [24] the old scorp, and just about every other caldari ship look disgusting. love the new scorp. the design embodies exactly what caldari ships should look like, based on the story.
Uther Doull	Posted - 2006.05.10 22:23:00 - [25] Edited by: Uther Doull on 10/05/2006 22:25:05 Originally by: Berak FalCheran Edited by: Berak FalCheran on 10/05/2006 14:44:46 Originally by: Xeaon Also to the people saying they're horrible, please post a fully skinned ship model you made yourself, ta. Seriously, if I was an artist like the guys who made the new ships i'd be so ****ed off if some guys kept saying everything i did was 'horrible' Cry me a river? I didn't say I could do better. I simply expressed my opinion regarding the update. I kinda just figured we were all entitled to do that (you know, since everyone else is doing that) And I can't imagine someone would be that scarred by the knowledge that not everyone loved everything they did (omg, the shock! ) Puhlease.... I just like the clean lines of the originals better, that's all. ZOMG I agree with you AGAIN!... lets not make a habit out of this mmmkay?
Karash Amerius	Posted - 2006.05.10 22:27:00 - [26] The new apoc is better than the old apoc...but thats not saying much. Karash Amerius Tac Coordinator, OEC Merc Blog
Hast	Posted - 2006.05.10 22:32:00 - [27] the new models look good, but please drop the bush in the apocs arse, it just doesent look good, and why would you put your sensitive sensor array or whatever right in the engine blast anyways, just doesent make sense. I cheat in poker
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.05.10 22:47:00 - [28] Must...resist...urge...to demand...pics of the...new raven and tempest.... Oh, and the new scorp is pure sex - it looks functional, which is to say that it looks like a weapon of war. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Toman'Torax	Posted - 2006.05.10 23:11:00 - [29] I agree with you Xerxes X in that the new Scorpion design looks a bit off. The original Scorpion was just basically like a metal plate with lights and aerials sticking out the front/back. But the new models have like extra panels on them giving that 'cluttered' look as you said. But all the ship redesigns are like that. Take a look at the new megathron for example. In the original model the front section of the ship (the big bulge where the headlights are) is all smooth and rounded, but the redesign has lines all over it, giving it that panelled look. I believe bulkheads is the word i'm thinking of.
Imode	Posted - 2006.05.10 23:19:00 - [30] Scorpion is decent. It's a lot more detailed than the current version, but I wouldn't say it's nicer. I would prefer that it looked a bit like the Ferox. More sharp angles, gun metal colors and those sweet subtle hexagon patterns across its surface. That being said, if you change the Ferox to look like the new Scorpion, then dear god... ____________________________ Signature file size to large, please keep it under 24000 bytes - Petwraith How's this? -imo
Wrayth Osu	Posted - 2006.05.10 23:36:00 - [31] First let me say that before I saw the new images, I though the current graphics were awesome. Now they look plain to me... the new models are amazing. As for my opinion on some of the issues mentioned here.. I like what Xerxes and Diana said. I have to agree with the idea that the new scorp is too "clutered" looking. I also agree that all of them are too dark. The Executioner is a good example of what I would like to see in all the new skins.. they didn't change much about the ship, they just brought more detail to it. Where as all sorts of stuff got added to the Apoc and the Scorp. As for the new Scorp "not being caldari". I've always had an issue with the basic design of the ships. All their ships, and most the ships in the game for that matter, are Asymetrical. This has always been evidence to me that the designs were created by "artists" (damn good ones), and not "engineers". Engineers are the people who would really have designed these space ships IRL, and engineers like things symetrical. Symetrical designs are also the most efficiant and simplistic, 2 things that the Caldari are supposed to be geared towards. So from the start, I've never felt our ships really matched our design phylosophy. So to me, from that standpoint, changes that people here consider "un-Caldari" because of what the "Caldari ideals" are, is a false premise. So, are they very different from the Caldari ships that we know and "love", yes very much so. Despite all that... it obvious that what ever the design, EVE has some incredible artists working for them and for that I am very grateful and appreciative. The new engine will make for some great looking stuff. _____________________________ Nukem from orbit... It's the only way to be sure.
Sovy Kurosei	Posted - 2006.05.10 23:43:00 - [32] Originally by: Wrayth Osu Symetrical designs are also the most efficiant and simplistic, 2 things that the Caldari are supposed to be geared towards. I disagree. The M1A2 Abrams main battle tank isn't symmetrical, nor is a modern day aircraft carrier. ___________________
Wrayth Osu	Posted - 2006.05.10 23:52:00 - [33] Edited by: Wrayth Osu on 10/05/2006 23:52:12 Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Originally by: Wrayth Osu Symetrical designs are also the most efficiant and simplistic, 2 things that the Caldari are supposed to be geared towards. I disagree. The M1A2 Abrams main battle tank isn't symmetrical, nor is a modern day aircraft carrier. The Aircraft carrier is a unique creature with specific reasons for it's structure... the M1 on the other hand is mostly symetrical, with only a few of the features being out of symetry. Look at all the other naval ships out there and you will see that they are 99% symetrical. Most of the ships in Eve on the other hand appear to be Asymetrical, just for the sake of being that way. _____________________________ Nukem from orbit... It's the only way to be sure.
Sovy Kurosei	Posted - 2006.05.11 00:00:00 - [34] Originally by: Wrayth Osu The Aircraft carrier is a unique creature with specific reasons for it's structure... the M1 on the other hand is mostly symetrical, with only a few of the features being out of symetry. Look at all the other naval ships out there and you will see that they are 99% symetrical. Most of the ships in Eve on the other hand appear to be Asymetrical, just for the sake of being that way. Right, so why can't there be reasons why a ship in the vaccuum of space is asymmetrical like the aircraft carrier? ___________________
digitalwanderer	Posted - 2006.05.11 00:02:00 - [35] Omg i just noticed my jaw dropping when i saw the abbadon... lucky me i have Amaar BS 5,as i'd fly it if nothing more for the way it looks,even if the bonuses totally sucked...
Jester87	Posted - 2006.05.11 00:03:00 - [36] Um where do u sell all this linkage?
digitalwanderer	Posted - 2006.05.11 00:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Jester87 Um where do u sell all this linkage? E3 dev blog and download the images,file size is 80 odd megs,but worth it for the abbadon alone,although the others are looking nice too,but they have to still use the same hull as the current versions for the sake of continuity,so it limits to retexturing them... i have no issue with the antennas on the back of the Apoc,just that they should be a lot smaller in lenght... Abbadon is now my desktop background...
Rawthorm	Posted - 2006.05.11 00:22:00 - [38] Originally by: Bazman Seriously, to the people that say they look horrible, would you rather keep the junky looking, half-bugged ships we have now? All these ships look godly compared to what we have right now I think your missing what some people are saying. Yes the new ones look a ****e load better, but some of them are loosing some of their race stylings in the process. CCP need to keep at it IMO, and continue to improve the models while keeping the ship features more close to what made each race stand out. (and damm it new caldari ships need to stop being grey boxes and start having wings and tails again...)
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.11 01:18:00 - [39] The New Merlin is going to look so ******* badass.
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.05.11 01:28:00 - [40] Originally by: MuffinsRevenger why dose the apoc have a forrest sticking out of it's ass? :/ lol this had me laughing for ages! :) Not sure, but I think the apoc looks good. I like the dark surface, it gives the impression of one tank of a battleship, which it is. I think all the models fit the ships perfectly. I really think you will have to wait till yuo can try it on the test server before making a final judgement. -=====-
Nicholas Barker	Posted - 2006.05.11 02:06:00 - [41] i just think the scorps shape makes it looks crap, it doesn't look functional, if it had two "wings" it'd look like the weight was more balanced. It doesn't look like it was designed from its components/purpose upwards, it just looks like it was purposely designed to look like an ass. ----------------- Where'd me pod go?

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