Ib4 "Go back to WOW".

Horrible Idea. If you want a safe "High-Sec" only server this isn't the game for you. There are thousands of low/null/Wh systems that are pretty much deserted. We need people OUT of high-sec not add more of it.

That would defeat the entire purpose of the game.

I thought losec and null were there to make PvP better...so make it better there? Keep the CCP development concentrated in one area would be best I think.

How would it exactly?

Now, what could we possibly do to satisfy the above requirements?

Create a new world - a new sandbox, one connected to New Eden but one with a completely different set of rules and regulations. The two worlds (servers) would be bridged so that travel between the two would be possible. The new world would be geared towards peace and all the happy beautiful things and people while this one would stay unchanged and even possible drift towards a more hostile environment (and thus better npc loot). The new world would have its own EULA and be more of an 8+ environment while New Eden will stay and possibly even become more so 17+

It would no longer be a single, unsharded universe.
Also, your premise #4 is highly suspect. There's nothing wrong with people not liking the game.

If you want to appeal to a bigger audience, the better suggestion would be to make a game that caters to that audience, not to try to squeeze them into a game they don't like by compromising what people do like about it. So your entire problem has already been solved. It's called GÇ£Wold of DarknessGÇ¥.

*points to Ultima Online and "Trammel Server"*

That's basically what you are proposing OP. And what happened with Trammel was...

- yes, it initially created a huge influx of new subs.
- everyone who was smart moved their money making activities to the "safer area"...
- ... which then distorted and imbalanced the in-game economy (and would do the same in EVE to a much greater degree considering that everything is based more or less upon ship destruction and production).
- the "carebear" playerbase became so massive that "pulling the plug" on Trammel became a non-option when it became obvious that it was a bad idea for the game overall.
- there was less of a reason to work together with other people. Everyone was safe in the "safe zone" after all.
- the "old server" became depopulated as more and more people migrated to where most of the other players were (i.e. the "safer server").
- Ultima Online lost one of the biggest draws for many dedicated players; the ruthlessness of it. They mostly left.
- UO ultimately died a very slow and painful death as it became like every other MMO out there and found that it could not compete in the same ways (i.e. having/creating "themepark content").


-1 to this idea. I like EVE the way it is.

A) New Eden would still be one shard as it is now.

Where is the call to compromise?

Technically this isn't difficult to accomplish quickly and would be much quicker and cost much less than creating another separate game.

I still do not see how the current game would suffer in any shape or form.

No, it wouldn't. That's the whole point of your suggestion.

In your suggestion to alter the game for an audience that doesn't like it.

You mean aside from the massive infrastructure that needs to be purchased, the dev hours that need to be poured into it, the very long balancing process required if you want to tie the two together? You're being very na+»ve here.

What you're asking for is a different game, with some basic reused code. That's what the CARBON initiative is all about and it is, as mentioned, already in progress in the form of WoD. If you want to get an idea of how GÇ£not difficultGÇ¥ it is, you can take a glance of how quickly that game is progressing.

Because of the distortions and imbalances it would create; by removing one of the key selling points and unique features of the game; by wasting huge amounts of dev resources.

All that to try to appeal to an audience that has already been lost.

Good input, thank you. In response I must say this: just because someone didn't implement the idea in a successful way does not mean the idea itself is a bad one. We could learn from those implementation mistakes and avoid the adverse effects.

A few good points here but let me respond in short: no hardware changes or balancing would be required at all.

If I sum up all of the feedback (and other threads on the board) so far I will have the following conclusion:

Change nothing (well except minor cosmetic issues discussed here and there on these boards). Let Eve live and die as it exists right now. We hate how "others" try to bend everyone to play "their" game and we hate everyone who doesn't understand "our" game and the purpose that "we" see.

It would require a completely new TQ. That's a lot of hardware right there. It would require completely new balancing to make the game work (see ShahFluffers' post above for examples) since it is currently balanced on exactly the kind of gameplay the game offers, nothing else. If you want to have GÇ£a completely different set of rules and regulationsGÇ¥, everything in the game has to be rebalanced to work within those rules and regulations. It also absolutely cannot be allowed to interact with TQ in any way, especially not its economy, due to the imbalances that will exist between the two rule systems.

All you're doing is saving some work on audiovisual assets. Almost everything else has to be given a good work-over to see if it fits the new game you've just created, and as a result, you also have to maintain two different code bases and/or very carefully design everything to work properly with both systems from the get-go (which is very unlikely to work).

Right. No sour grapes there at all.
No, you haven't really summed up anything there other than your own bitterness of not having taking some pretty crucial details about the game and its development into account.

Again, what you're asking for is already in progress (of sorts): it's called WoD.

Acquisition of hardware and initial installation would be required but based an a previously scripted and tested scenario (hardware is getting cheaper literally by the minute).

How would it exactly? New Eden would stay untouched (or become a more dangerous place). What purpose would be defeated?

You do know that EVE is run on a decommissioned military supercomputer that cost somewhere in the range of several million dollars... right?

And that EVE's code was written ~10 years ago using Stackless Python and was designed specifically for single core processors... right?

Go get Limit Theory. Your dream completed. Leave our game alone.

You do know based on demographics, OP is likely from the USA, and therefore 60% likely to be suffering from a compound case of illiteracy and pure apathy, right?

No offense to americans that actually learned to read growing up, but Ive dealt with too many in my time that struggle to read things as simple as Romeo and Juliet when they are over 20 years old (is it true they actually make "translated" versions of this book in EVE for what they consider "english"? i seem to remember seeing one a friend had that had some form of pseudo "gangster" speech typed in every margin translating the words from the book)