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Spyres	Posted - 2006.05.11 04:26:00 - [1] I don't have any you see. I'm not rich enough to risk losing them, and I tend to get into a lot of fights. Would insuring implants be a terrible idea? (Let's just pretend that it could be possible for the sake of argument).
Beringe	Posted - 2006.05.11 04:27:00 - [2] Use a jump clone. That's what they are for. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Sakura Nihil	Posted - 2006.05.11 04:40:00 - [3] 2 things: 1) they're meant to be an isk sink 2) jump clones will destroy them if you use the service atm damn sig hijack!!11! Signature removed. Max filesize is 24,000 bytes. -Eldo ([email protected])
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.11 04:46:00 - [4] I have implants and I dont think they should be insurable. ~Eximius Josari, Hegemon of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation
Spyres	Posted - 2006.05.11 04:48:00 - [5] Not everyone has a +8 standing available I just need to earn more money obviously...
Babyface Zhang	Posted - 2006.05.11 04:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Spyres Not everyone has a +8 standing available I just need to earn more money obviously... Not everyone has to
Aeaus	Posted - 2006.05.11 04:54:00 - [7] Don't plug in anything into your head that you can't part with in a minute. Or jump clones =p My Guides (Recomended Reading)
Shadar Ishaan	Posted - 2006.05.11 05:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Sakura Nihil 2 things: 2) jump clones will destroy them if you use the service atm Not true at all. I use jump clones regularly and have not lost implants yet. Only way I know of to lose implants is to jump out of a station you already have an implanted jump clone at. If anyone wants jump clones, please contact me. My service is 15 mil ISK and you can read the details in my sig. You will be able to install up to 5 clones and can switch to and from your implanted clone easily. Get your own set of jump clones for 15 million ISK!
JForce	Posted - 2006.05.11 05:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Sakura Nihil 2 things: 2) jump clones will destroy them if you use the service atm Huh? I've yet to buy implants now that I have jump clones, but explain please? JForce The Arrow Project N.W.A Reprezent
Toros Revoke	Posted - 2006.05.11 05:30:00 - [10] Edited by: Toros Revoke on 11/05/2006 05:31:08 Edited by: Toros Revoke on 11/05/2006 05:30:25 I think he's onto something here, I can insure my life, I can insure the contents of my house... So why can't I insure the contents of my head? I mean if I destroy my phone somehow, Yodaphone will give me another, am I reaching here? Hiya Aeaus 0/ There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity. Make sure you take your shoes off before you cross it.
Spyres	Posted - 2006.05.11 05:35:00 - [11] Just for the record, this isn't actually a whine thread. I've probably lost far more isk in ships than implants over the last couple of years, so it's not that much of a big deal. I was kinda interested to see if people thought that insurable implants would ruin the market/devalue them and so on.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.05.11 05:38:00 - [12] yeah the market would be gimped
Mia Archer	Posted - 2006.05.11 05:41:00 - [13] Originally by: Sakura Nihil 2 things: 1) they're meant to be an isk sink implants are not an isk sink whatsoever
Mika Lauer	Posted - 2006.05.11 05:43:00 - [14] I recommend Silicone, they provide the best feeling so far from what i've seen. (I'm too poor for implants, so I don't bother atm.)
Tripoli	Posted - 2006.05.11 05:57:00 - [15] I've always said the only real solution was to make implants dirt cheap. I stand by that recommendation. Release BPs for them, significantly increase drop rate, whatever. --- 280 of 312 skills trained.
Lardarz B'stard	Posted - 2006.05.11 05:58:00 - [16] Implants ARE dirt cheap. Exiles Recruitment
Benglada	Posted - 2006.05.11 06:08:00 - [17] imma go ahead and say *** no --------------------------- Originally by:** Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
Tripoli	Posted - 2006.05.11 06:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Lardarz B'stard Implants ARE dirt cheap. The two billion isk I've spent on them tend to make me think they aren't cheap enough. --- 280 of 312 skills trained.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.05.11 06:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Tripoli I've always said the only real solution was to make implants dirt cheap. I stand by that recommendation. Release BPs for them, significantly increase drop rate, whatever. Or scrap them completely. It seems that some people just can't accept that certain items in EVE are supposed to be both rare & expensive. (not directed at you Tripoli) MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Lardarz B'stard	Posted - 2006.05.11 06:19:00 - [20] Edited by: Lardarz B''stard on 11/05/2006 06:22:04 Originally by: Tripoli Originally by: Lardarz B'stard Implants ARE dirt cheap. The two billion isk I've spent on them tend to make me think they aren't cheap enough. You don't HAVE to buy +5's all the time. If you insist upon placing skillpoint accumulation near the top of your Eve priorities then you should have to pay a lot, otherwise everyone would be running around with 50m skillpoints. +1'2, +2's, +3's and even now +4's are cheap enough to make them disposable. That is cheap enough. Plus you can just use jumpclones. What I would like to see is an implant that adjusts your base attribute levels - ie one that takes say 5 points off charisma for a 4 point willpower gain for the duration of fitting, or a booster that does the same for a timelimited period. Exiles Recruitment
Aeaus	Posted - 2006.05.11 06:22:00 - [21] Edited by: Aeaus on 11/05/2006 06:23:01 Originally by: MOOstradamus Originally by: Tripoli I've always said the only real solution was to make implants dirt cheap. I stand by that recommendation. Release BPs for them, significantly increase drop rate, whatever. Or scrap them completely. It seems that some people just can't accept that certain items in EVE are supposed to be both rare & expensive. (not directed at you Tripoli) Why is T2 expensive? Why are implants expensive? Opportunity cost, you want to spend isk to give yourself an advantage, it's reasonable. Making implants dirt cheap will only make them annother requirement and not something unique. Edit : Hi Toros! My Guides (Recomended Reading)
Dhin Xar	Posted - 2006.05.11 06:38:00 - [22] Implants have to be one of the worst things in the game. Gee, lets reward people for never doing anything exciting. Jumpclones can only be used once every 24 hours, meaning after you jump out of your implant clone you have to wait a day to get back in, and then you have to wait another day if you once again need to do something interesting. For the love of all that is moronic there needs to be equivalent effects for use where getting podded (lag, etc) is a real danger. Unless they are truely meant as a grand-prize for being boring.
Tripoli	Posted - 2006.05.11 06:40:00 - [23] I find it ironic that more learning skills are one obvious possible substitute for implants. Also look forward to seeing how they're going to do boosters and DNA mutators. --- 280 of 312 skills trained.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.11 06:51:00 - [24] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/05/2006 06:51:57 I wonder how the fear of losing implants affect peoples decisions to go out and explore 0.0. Somebody made this point before too. So people stay in empire until they can afford to lose ship + implants. Or they stay in empire for their entire gaming life. I know there are jump clones, but it takes time to get standings to 8.0 too. And with one jump every 24 hours, its a bit awkward. Maybe insurance isnt such a bad idea? I first thought it would be very carebear, but it might increase the number of people participating in pvp... --- The Eve Wiki Project
Alekto Erinys	Posted - 2006.05.11 07:06:00 - [25] I've got implants, and for me... the real barrier is the stupid 24 hour jumpclone delay. If this were significantly shortened, it would be awesome. I've got my implants in my empire clone, and I've got a jumpclone @ an outpost in 0.0. Say I want to do some ratting/PvP in 0.0 ... I've got to clonejump out there and then I've lost the benefits of the implants for at least 24 hours. If you're someone who works and goes to school like me, you probably want to play for a few hours each day (i.e. 2-3). So, wtf do I do? I can't jump back and forth between clones that often. TBH, I'm not sure I understand the need for the 24 hour delay. If the delay were shortened to something more reasonable like 4 hours, that would be awesome.
Toros Revoke	Posted - 2006.05.11 07:10:00 - [26] Edited by: Toros Revoke on 11/05/2006 07:11:16 Myself, I'm quite happy to float about in .0 with implants, unless I know there's going to be a scrap, in which case I don a disposable meat suit which I won't mind exploding (much). I dunno about anyone else but when started the game, I had no clue what I was doing, thusly Toros is a charismatic bastard with the memory of a brick and about as perceptive. cheaper implants would be a boon, I really hate having my training slowed for that 24 hours There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity. Make sure you take your shoes off before you cross it.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.11 07:15:00 - [27] you can't insure implants because they are an entirely a demand driven cost (even more so than t2). By adding insurance, you add an artificial floor for the price, taking away the ability of the players to decide the price. Also, if they insurance didn't almost totally cover the implants you'd whine it was too low, wouldn't you?
Toros Revoke	Posted - 2006.05.11 07:22:00 - [28] Hell yes I'd whine about it, even now I've set in motion my plan to create the most irritating noise in all creation, then all of eve shall bow before my irrational demands There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity. Make sure you take your shoes off before you cross it.
Spyres	Posted - 2006.05.11 07:31:00 - [29] Originally by: HippoKing Also, if they insurance didn't almost totally cover the implants you'd whine it was too low, wouldn't you? Originally by: Spyres Just for the record, this isn't actually a whine thread. I've probably lost far more isk in ships than implants over the last couple of years, so it's not that much of a big deal. I was kinda interested to see if people thought that insurable implants would ruin the market/devalue them and so on. Changed the thread title, as I didn't intend for this thread to look like I was actually seriously asking for anything...
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.11 07:31:00 - [30] I personally run with +1s and +2s if I know I'm going to be doing a lot of pvping as they are cheap to lose (compared to +3). I tend to break out in a rash when I have no implants plugged in tho Originally by: Fi T'Zeh I'm a complete tosser.
Izo Azlion	Posted - 2006.05.11 07:55:00 - [31] Insured implants would be nice, but it doesnt stop me from going into 0.0 or not. Infact, I've been dodging blobs just last night in Syndicate. I use them, and I risk it, the extra training time is fun. If theres a sticky fight, though, I wont go in against very poor odds. Izo Azlion, Clan Wolf. ---
Morrigan Starlover	Posted - 2006.05.11 08:22:00 - [32] Originally by: Dhin Xar Implants have to be one of the worst things in the game. Gee, lets reward people for never doing anything exciting. Jumpclones can only be used once every 24 hours, meaning after you jump out of your implant clone you have to wait a day to get back in, and then you have to wait another day if you once again need to do something interesting. For the love of all that is moronic there needs to be equivalent effects for use where getting podded (lag, etc) is a real danger. Unless they are truely meant as a grand-prize for being boring. So true. Both implants and learning skills ultimately result in making the game a hell of a lot more boring than it needs to be.
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.05.11 08:26:00 - [33] Exactly, what do you mean by insurance? If it's like ship insurance, then.. You sure you want to insure your 1 bil worth snake omega for instance for 1 mil which its base cost is? Or something like that anyway.
loony zoon	Posted - 2006.05.11 08:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe Exactly, what do you mean by insurance? If it's like ship insurance, then.. You sure you want to insure your 1 bil worth snake omega for instance for 1 mil which its base cost is? Or something like that anyway. QFT Base price on a +4 perception implant is 400k, so adding implant insurance will be pointless, like insuring tech 2 ships.
Zwotte	Posted - 2006.05.11 08:36:00 - [35] Originally by: Shadar Ishaan Originally by: Sakura Nihil 2 things: 2) jump clones will destroy them if you use the service atm Not true at all. I use jump clones regularly and have not lost implants yet. Only way I know of to lose implants is to jump out of a station you already have an implanted jump clone at. If anyone wants jump clones, please contact me. My service is 15 mil ISK and you can read the details in my sig. You will be able to install up to 5 clones and can switch to and from your implanted clone easily. Yup this man knows what he is talking about and i can confirm this as a jumpclone specialist. MicanG's jumpclone Service Customer Feedbacks
Kye Kenshin	Posted - 2006.05.11 08:48:00 - [36] Never used implants and probably never will. Implants do nothing but hold you back from fully enjoying the game. Remember kids skillpoints is one of the least important things in EVE.
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.05.12 19:04:00 - [37] what do implants have to do with skillpoints? especially for slots 6+. oh and consider this - if you install two very cheap implants - 5% to specific turret type damage and +3% to all turrets damage, that'd be about 8% more damage you deal... that's pretty decent for such easy to replace stuff...
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.05.12 19:06:00 - [38] Dont use implants. Waste of ISKs... ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Corporate Consultation Services
Berak FalCheran	Posted - 2006.05.12 19:13:00 - [39] Implants are fine -- but just treat them like ships. If you can afford to lose +2's use +2's. If you can afford to use +4's use +4's. Profit. Oh and insuring them is out of the question -- terrible idea. Griefing would be like totally ruined. YOU LOVE THE BLINKING
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.05.12 19:14:00 - [40] Originally by: Berak FalCheran Griefing would be like totally ruined. Griefers of a feather. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Corporate Consultation Services
Berak FalCheran	Posted - 2006.05.12 19:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Berak FalCheran Griefing would be like totally ruined. Griefers of a feather. Pod people together! YOU LOVE THE BLINKING
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2006.05.12 19:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Sakura Nihil 2 things: 1) they're meant to be an isk sink 2) jump clones will destroy them if you use the service atm Ok so what makes them an isk sink? You can't explain because they arn't. Please ppl don't use this term for everything that costs money because it's a very specific term for money leaving the player economy. There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.13 02:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Spyres Edited by: Spyres on 11/05/2006 07:31:38 I don't have any you see. I'm not rich enough to risk losing them, and I tend to get into a lot of fights. Would insuring implants be a terrible idea? (Let's just pretend that it could be possible for the sake of argument). If you aren't rich, buy cheaper implants. And yes, insuring them would be a ****ty idea.
Cyonaura	Posted - 2006.05.13 03:51:00 - [44] Doesnt the Eve intergaltic bank provide unusual insurance options if you're a member with good credit standing with them? Might be worth checking out, I'm sure you could work something out to get them insured.
Tsavong Lah	Posted - 2006.05.13 03:57:00 - [45] Originally by: computer no sorry. computer says no. Death is the loss of hope, everything else is merely despair.
G Dabak	Posted - 2006.05.13 07:57:00 - [46] I like that EVE has a minimum of death handholding. Things are more meaningful when you can lose them. Plus if you're filthy rich or just crazy you can brag about flying with a full Halo set or whatever.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.05.13 08:54:00 - [47] Originally by: Neon Genesis Originally by: Sakura Nihil 2 things: 1) they're meant to be an isk sink 2) jump clones will destroy them if you use the service atm Ok so what makes them an isk sink? Offers that require you to buy a bunch of NPC trade goods in exchange for them, make them an ISK sink. Not much of one, because most people wait till they get the implant-for-free offers ... but they are an ISK sink. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Plutoinum	Posted - 2006.05.13 09:00:00 - [48] Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/05/2006 09:01:29 If something like 10 percent advantage in skill training is more important to you than having some action and fun, then something is wrong with your priorities anyway I'm lacking implants since I got podded last time, because I don't have the money and the time for a shopping tour. I've stopped my training for dreads anyway to train for interdictors and minmatar hacs, a few days in my training plan of 3 months or so make no big difference. I do what I want without thinking much about my implants. When I have the money and time to go shopping, I plug in some new. Until then I play without. No big difference, because skill training is not the most important part of the game, I mean it's not the reason why I play.
Cipher7	Posted - 2006.05.13 09:40:00 - [49] No. I like Eve raw. Theres already 5000 games on the market where the game becomes your mommy and make sure you never lose anything. I love the harshness, this is not everquest in space. Without the harsh penalties Eve would be so slow and boring, I would prolly give up MMORPG's altogether because they are all garbage except this one. I tried the Auto Assault 14 day trial. When your car dies you press a button and 10 seconds later you show up at a repair place brand new. And thats PVE. If thats the future of gaming, you can count me out. They keep pandering to the lowest common denominator to get more subscriptions, you cant find 1 decent game, they are all made for morons.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2006.05.13 11:05:00 - [50] Better yet, let people build implants. Remind me about The Maze. I'm Danton Marcellus and I approve of this message.
Laulosiak	Posted - 2006.05.13 11:14:00 - [51] Originally by: Beringe Use a jump clone. That's what they are for. WTF is a jump clone & what does it do

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