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Jon Marburg
The Executioners
Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.11.14 19:08:00 -
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Looking at SiSi it doesn't appear that any of the interdictors have received the sig and hp buff of their T1 counterparts. Was this intentional or just overlooked? In the current state, dictors entire role consists of bubbling and getting off field or hiding. Was kind of hoping that pilots for these ships would be able to actually have a reason to fit guns to their ships, because right now they're just expensive coffins if you stay on field. Looking at the numbers it appears that the T1 versions now have equal dps and more ehp and survivability. It seems appropriate that the T2 version be at least as survival as the T1, as right now there is no reason to fly them aside from the bubble. |
Carlos Aranda
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.14 19:45:00 -
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I sooooooooooooooooo support you!!!!
I am a Dictor pilot.
I would like it. Because when they nerfed once Nanofags, they nerfed interdictors too hard.
Today it is too often "drop 1 bubble - and then pop and podded in own bubble too" in large battles always. The only thing, which might save you, if the hostile fleet pays not enough attention and you can cloak or warp off fast enough. Especially a sig radius bonus would help. Today 1-2 good volleys from a single BS are already enough to kill a dictor. I saw 1 single Abaddon with t2 mega Pulse or Maelstrom with 1400mm t2 insta-pop a dictor in 1 volley, if he has MWD on and is approaching, flying right in the volley. That is a little sad for such a ship.
Also I do not understand, why such a cheap hull like a destroyer, which every noob can fly after a few days, needs so much attention and other ships, which need far more skills, cost far more, get no attention, like i.e. Pilgrim or t3 hulls, which are no tengu and so on.
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Jiji Hamin
Federal Defence Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:02:00 -
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Jon Marburg wrote:Looking at SiSi it doesn't appear that any of the interdictors have received the sig and hp buff of their T1 counterparts. Was this intentional or just overlooked? In the current state, dictors entire role consists of bubbling and getting off field or hiding. Was kind of hoping that pilots for these ships would be able to actually have a reason to fit guns to their ships, because right now they're just expensive coffins if you stay on field. Looking at the numbers it appears that the T1 versions now have equal dps and more ehp and survivability. It seems appropriate that the T2 version be at least as survival as the T1, as right now there is no reason to fly them aside from the bubble.
funny, because dictors don't need a buff |
Carlos Aranda
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:11:00 -
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Jiji Hamin wrote:
right, because everyone knows that the pilgrim is a bad ship >_<
... or maybe it is just you, who is bad @ this game or maybe you just wanted to troll. **** off somewhere else or bring some arguments. |
Jon Marburg
The Executioners
Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:30:00 -
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You can't really argue that interdictors don't need a survivability buff when in the current state they're getting insta-popped in any fleet engagement and the pilots are pretty much guaranteed to end up coming home in pods if they're lucky or in new clones if they aren't. I just don't really see a reason to fix just the t1 version, but leave the t2 with all the current issues faced by destroyer hulls. |
Fioda Skiza
Exiles of the Stars
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:45:00 -
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Destroyers are the newplayers' ships. And CCP needs to make new players happy. EVE needs a steady income of fresh players like every other MMO. I support the destroyer buff with all my limbs.
Interdictors need a buff too. A major survivability buff.
Maybe give them the same MWD-signature bonus as the interceptors? Let them use the micro-warp without becoming 500m large in signature. |
Jon Marburg
The Executioners
Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.11.15 03:57:00 -
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Kind of surprised at the lack of response. I know talking with corpmates that they had assumed that the changes to the t1 hulls would carry through to the t2 ones as well and were surprised to find that as of the current version they aren't going to be. Is it just lack of knowledge or do people really not think carrying over the survivability buff is necessary? |
Cthulhu F'taghn
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.11.15 07:25:00 -
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I'm curious about this too. I assumed they'd at least be getting the sig size reduction that the t1 hulls are receiving.
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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2011.11.15 08:07:00 -
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As much as I'd love to fly a buffed up flycatcher, I doubt the buffs will carry over. |
Sutha Moliko
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.15 10:29:00 -
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Cthulhu F'taghn wrote:I'm curious about this too. I assumed they'd at least be getting the sig size reduction that the t1 hulls are receiving.
They have not.
A Sabre has a bigger sig size than a Guardian or Oneiros. They are cruisers...
Destroyers have now the firepower of their T2 counterpart with the removal of the ROF penality. The Thrasher is trully impressive.
Interdictors should also receive a sig size reduction, not necessarily as much as T1 but should be at least under 70 which are the smallest size of a cruiser.
A Sabre with 65 sig size will have a sig size 71 with a MSE for exemple. |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
0
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Posted - 2011.11.15 21:34:00 -
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Strongly supported.
For consistency sake, all changes to T1 destroyers should carry over to dictors.
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Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.15 21:46:00 -
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Bumping for the sheer lolz to be had at a dev responding with essentially "D'oh! Our bad, completely forgot about them... They are still in game right?" |
Xenial Jesse Taalo
Tactical Nyan Cat Attack Force
OMNIMODUS ALLIANCE
27
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Posted - 2011.11.15 21:55:00 -
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Yep. I was interested in getting a Sabre, now I am not. |
Lord Helghast
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.11.15 21:58:00 -
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+1 here as welor as was said give them the interceptors mwd bonus |
thoth rothschild
First Aid Emergency Service
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Posted - 2011.11.15 23:10:00 -
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+1 because of mass suicide during fleetops. To difficult to get dictor reinforcements. |
Joseph Blade
MediaCataclysm
Eternal Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:57:00 -
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It makes no sense to not buff the t2 versions. they are based on the same hull afterall. (and are supposed to be more advanced than the t1 equivalent). This needs fixing |
Moonaura
Swedish Aerospace Inc
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:21:00 -
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Personally, I think they should get the buff, because bubbles = fun times - only work in 0.0 and other destroyers should now be in a fleet make up to help counter them. Oh... and don't these things die so fast, you need to bring spares to a fleet anyway? |
Moonaura
Swedish Aerospace Inc
The Kadeshi
31
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:25:00 -
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Lord Helghast wrote:+1 here as welor as was said give them the interceptors mwd bonus
They don't need it. The current destroyers can fit an oversized AB, and are very... very hard to kill when at speed, the Minmitar destroyer rolls out at 2000 m/s overloads to 2800... and you want a MWD bonus? If interdictors got the same signature bonus, you wouldn't need an additional MWD bonus, this would just make them impossible to catch. |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.17 03:05:00 -
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Content. |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2011.11.17 08:10:00 -
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Wylee Coyote wrote:Content.
Content with what?
In the current SiSi build, interdictors still lack the smaller signature that their T1 counterparts were given.
This is silly and needs to be corrected before release.
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Azrahrn
Koshaku
Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:43:00 -
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+1 to applying the changes to interdictors
Interdictors play a vital role in fleet engagements where they are likely to be targeted by larger hulls and consequently die like flies. The signature reduction and the other little tweaks would help a great deal. |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.17 15:43:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:Content. Content with what? In the current SiSi build, interdictors still lack the smaller signature that their T1 counterparts were given. This is silly and needs to be corrected before release.
Content=bump. |
Billy Singer
Lunar Industries Ltd
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 19:05:00 -
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Really does not make sense to withhold these changes..
Can we get some kind of formal word on whether this is actually being taken into consideration?
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Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:17:00 -
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Ah. Misunderstood.. Up it is.
Joseph Blade wrote:It makes no sense to not buff the t2 versions. they are based on the same hull afterall. (and are supposed to be more advanced than the t1 equivalent). This needs fixing
This.
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Sutha Moliko
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.18 13:01:00 -
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Can CCP balance team show us that there is a plan behind the buff of Destroyer ?
We are worrying about Interdictor and AF because of this buff and nothing else. |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.11.18 13:40:00 -
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I agree the Eris, Flycatcher and Heretic need a boost  The price of the Sabre should speak for itself... |
Azrahrn
Koshaku
Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2011.11.19 18:07:00 -
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Pinky Denmark wrote:I agree the Eris, Flycatcher and Heretic need a boost The price of the Sabre should speak for itself...
Bah, in the land of the blind, one eye is king..
All changes should be consistently applied to all hulls. |
Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2011.11.19 23:03:00 -
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While I agree that Interdictors aren't really the best thing to fly if you want to stay around, what do you expect in way of changes? You fly them into the middle of the enemy fleet, prevent them from leaving and then wonder why they turn their attention on you?
But in all seriousness, you ARE in a very bad situation there. You are the sole enemy ship around and everyone has nothing better to do since you just took all their options away; basically the only thing they can do to pass the time is to shoot you. Anything that makes you survive there for a significant amount of time is going to make the class very much overpowered. Remember, you want the ship to survive the onslaught of the whole enemy fleet, a firepower that probably matches CONCORD s 
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Azrahrn
Koshaku
Gentlemen's Agreement
1
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Posted - 2011.11.20 01:16:00 -
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Pytria Le'Danness wrote:While I agree that Interdictors aren't really the best thing to fly if you want to stay around, what do you expect in way of changes? You fly them into the middle of the enemy fleet, prevent them from leaving and then wonder why they turn their attention on you? But in all seriousness, you ARE in a very bad situation there. You are the sole enemy ship around and everyone has nothing better to do since you just took all their options away; basically the only thing they can do to pass the time is to shoot you. Anything that makes you survive there for a significant amount of time is going to make the class very much overpowered. Remember, you want the ship to survive the onslaught of the whole enemy fleet, a firepower that probably matches CONCORD s
I am not pleading for them to become invincible. I'm not sure how you got that impression.
Whatever small tweaks are made to the signature radius and other aspects on the base hull should carry over to T2 with its substantially higher skill requirements.
It doesn't make sense to mitigate the damage a destroyer hull absorbs and let interdictors, which are far more likely, as you yourself are pointing out, to be called primary, take the full brunt of enemy fire. 
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Jon Marburg
The Executioners
Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.11.20 01:51:00 -
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Pytria Le'Danness wrote:But in all seriousness, you ARE in a very bad situation there. You are the sole enemy ship around and everyone has nothing better to do since you just took all their options away; basically the only thing they can do to pass the time is to shoot you. Anything that makes you survive there for a significant amount of time is going to make the class very much overp . owered. Remember, you want the ship to survive the onslaught of the whole enemy fleet, a firepower that probably matches CONCORD s
If you're the only ship in your fleet on grid you're doing it wrong. The only reason interdictors should be getting primaried is if the fleet is planning on running not because someone had a spare second to lock them. While I agree that they shouldn't stand up to being primaried, they shouldn't be getting easily volleyed by individual battleships.
The destroyer class is slightly more robust than frigate hulls but slightly smaller than cruisers so their hulls should reflect this. There shouldn't be cruisers with smaller signature radiuses and frigates shouldn't have more ehp than destroyers either. While the current buff fixes these issues on the t1 hulls, it becomes glaringly obvious that similar principles should be applied to t2 as well. Guardians have smaller signatures than Heretics and my Keres has more ehp than a Sabre. This shouldn't be the case.
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