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Einar Matveinen
Familia Oscura
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Posted - 2011.11.20 02:10:00 -
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Jon Marburg wrote:Guardians have smaller signatures than Heretics and my Keres has more ehp than a Sabre. This shouldn't be the case.
All logistics have a role bonus, their signature radius is smaller than the signature of their Tech I hull variations. Augoror have a larger signature than a heretic for example.
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Jon Marburg
The Executioners
Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.11.20 02:52:00 -
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Einar Matveinen wrote:
All logistics have a role bonus, their signature radius is smaller than the signature of their Tech I hull variations. Augoror have a larger signature than a heretic for example.
You seem to have missed the point. I understand why logistics are supposed to have a smaller signature. (logistics ships don't specifically say they have a role bonus to sig radius fyi). I'm simply comparing T2 ships in the destroyer hull to those T2 and equivalent faction ships in cruiser and frigate hulls. If you don't like that example, how about how the flycatcher and stabber fleet issue have almost equivalent sig radius? To reiterate the point, it is critical that destroyer hulls have nowhere near the signature radius of cruiser hulls. Interdictors don't have the base ehp that cruisers do so should have the benefit of smaller signature to minimize incoming damage. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.20 03:09:00 -
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Get rid of those fracking bubble shift stuff and bring interdictors to their right place dammit
-make those gates become interesting to pass
-yeah you know chances you get caught are high, very hig
BUT !! it will DEPEND on CEPTORS and INTERDICTORS job !!
Not a f++cking stupid thing you just can anchor there and shoot at every thing getting in...stupid stuff !!
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Hamatitio
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2011.11.20 03:13:00 -
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Make interdictors immune to bubbles.
Or perhaps only their own bubbles... That way they can bubble and gtfo immediately. |
Jooce McNasty
Islefive Consulting
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Posted - 2011.11.20 03:38:00 -
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Hamatitio wrote:Make interdictors immune to bubbles.
Or perhaps only their own bubbles... That way they can bubble and gtfo immediately.
Honestly I would make them like interdiction fit T3's where they are immune to bubble's, couple that with a slight sig rad decrease. Keep the EHP the same and the speed the same. |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2011.11.20 21:16:00 -
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It's been a week now and still no formal answer..
Makes me wonder what the value of this part of the forum actually is. |
Jon Marburg
The Executioners
Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.11.21 06:10:00 -
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Would really appreciate some dev input. Does CCP see this as working as intended? Are you looking into it? Any sort of light shined on the thinking behind not giving the T2 destroyers the buff the T1 destroyers are getting would be great. It's kind of frustrating to see dev responses in all the trivial forum topics, but have important topics go weeks without updates or feedback. |
Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
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Posted - 2011.11.21 12:07:00 -
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bumpp..
dictors need some love even if it is just the reduced sig radius |
Billy Singer
Lunar Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2011.11.21 19:17:00 -
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I filed a bug report on this matter to raise some awareness @ CCP
I was told that it's not a bug, but a feature.
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Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.21 21:56:00 -
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Bump. |
Jon Marburg
The Executioners
Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.11.21 22:30:00 -
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I'd love an explanation of how this is a feature. What's the thinking on this? Because right now I hate flying dictors because in their current state I'm lucky if I come home in my pod after a large engagement. |
Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
10
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Posted - 2011.11.22 20:01:00 -
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bump! |
Suiteii
Raven's Flight
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2011.11.22 21:16:00 -
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CCP is being very careful to buff interdictors so they're going to beef up their T1 counterparts first to see how the changes affect the landscape.
You can't say that the 'T1 destroyer should be worse than the T2 interdictors' because the two ships are inherently different in their mission profiles. A T2 interdictor has a bubble. That makes them one of the most powerful ships in the game already. The power to drop bubbles is so absolute that in most fleets a dictor cant even use his own bubble unless an FC says so.
Besides... if you beef up Interdictors, you might just see A LOT more 1-man solo gank fit interdictors rolling around null. If they're not careful, 0.0 will become a much more dangerous place than it already is. And that's something I'm sure CCP is very hesitant to change.
PS. Heretic sucks.
tl;dr version: Good interdictors = BUBBLES ON EVARY GATE
Edit: It should be noted that despite my disposition, I would very much like CCP to beef up the interdictors so I can start soloing in one. I'm playing devil's advocate in this case. |
Azrahrn
Koshaku
Gentlemen's Agreement
1
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Posted - 2011.11.23 21:46:00 -
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Suiteii wrote:CCP is being very careful to buff interdictors so they're going to beef up their T1 counterparts first to see how the changes affect the landscape.
Unless you have some inside source, this is pure speculation. My theory that they are unwilling to spend time looking at interdictors is just as valid.
Suiteii wrote:You can't say that the 'T1 destroyer should be worse than the T2 interdictors' because the two ships are inherently different in their mission profiles.
All T2 hulls fill different niches and all T2 hulls are an improvement upon their base T1 design. This is why they take substantially more time to train for. Besides, you know.. this argument is directly in conflict with your previous line on how CCP were looking at their counterparts.. which you proclaim to have a different role?
Suiteii wrote: A T2 interdictor has a bubble. That makes them one of the most powerful ships in the game already. The power to drop bubbles is so absolute that in most fleets a dictor cant even use his own bubble unless an FC says so.
I don't really see a relation between fleet doctrine and "absolute power", bubbles can very easily hamstring the deploying party so they are used with care.
Suiteii wrote:Besides... if you beef up Interdictors, you might just see A LOT more 1-man solo gank fit interdictors rolling around null. If they're not careful, 0.0 will become a much more dangerous place than it already is. And that's something I'm sure CCP is very hesitant to change.
We're merely advocating the signature reduction and other small tweaks made to destroyers to be applied to interdictors as well. This isn't going to make them the crowned kings of solo pvp. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:22:00 -
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Xenial Jesse Taalo wrote:Yep. I was interested in getting a Sabre, now I am not.
Because you never flown another dictor, once you will you'll find Sabre really awesome compared with every other counterpart.
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