There is a basic diversion in fitting types that will leave pve fit ships helpless against pvp fit ships and most pvp fit ships nearly worthless in a pve situation.

Many players have been calling to CCP for years to close the gap but making AI behave closer to pvp opponents is difficult.

The choice left for you is to either fit for pve all the way and just be astute enough to avoid pvp wherever possible or to fit for pvp and accept the fact that you will be terribly inefficient during pve.

Just my opinion.

Edit: one more note. Null pve is a bit tougher than a t1 stabber. Try out the low sec sites. Test your mettle.

To give you an idea of what to expect in PVE in more dangerous space. Remember, hostile players are always more of a threat than NPCs.


- All k-space has incursions, with relatively easy 10, 20 and 40 person sites where the PVE objectives can be completed by smaller numbers than that (although game mechanics strongly discourage this).

- Highsec has missions (levels 1-4), DED complexes that you scan down (levels 1-4, with 1 close to level 2 security missions, and 4 a little easier than level 4 security misisons) and anomolies (mostly on par with level 2 security missions).

- Lowsec has missions (1-5), DED complexes (levels 1-7, 5 is on par with level 4 security missions, 7 is closer to the hardest level 4 missions like Downing the Slavers), and anomolies that are a bit easier than the complexes (they vary from on par with level 1 security missions, up to on par with the easier level 4 security missions).

- Nullsec has DED complexes up to level 10 (on par with most level 5 security missions), and anomolies that are sometimes harder than L4s.

- WH space has anomolies with very dangerous combat sites, varying from a bit harder than level 3 security missions (C1) to comparable to a '10 person' incursion site (C6). Note that you can bring carriers and dreadnoughts to these sites, although doing so causes additional hostiles to spawn - this is standard practice in C5s and C6s and not rare in C4s.


I strongly suggest you find a quiet lowsec system (I recommend Fasse - 0.4, 7j from trade hub Dodixie, and I've never seen more than 4 people in local there) and just get your feet wet again.




Edit: You will notice battleship rats in lowsec. In a cruiser, a battleship rat will rip you apart if you are not moving, and will mostly miss you if you are moving roughly perpendicular to the line between you and the BS. Add angular momentum to your overview, and work to keep it to at least 0.05 radians/second with every battleship rat while not using your microwarpdrive, or 0.30 while using an MWD should you fit one. (MWDs multiply your signature radius by 6, which means you need 6 times the angular momentum to be as hard to hit)

That will change the damage you take as follows:

- No angular momentum

"Pithi Overlord hit you for 300 damage"
"Pithi Overlord hit you for 230 damage"
"Pithi Overlord hit you for 170 damage"
"Pithi Overlord hit you for 330 damage"

to

Miss
Miss
"Pithi Overlord hit you for 170 damage"
Miss

So with this fit i have i also need low transversal to hit anything though. So its a catch 22 kind of like the old infantry charges of the civil war. I think the only way i could deal with a BS is to use autocannons and get in close with orbit.

Lowsec also has security tag belt rats which are worth hunting in quiet areas.

Check the dev blog for NPCs that drop them: community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/wanttotrade-tags-for-security-status/

Yeah these are a real source of income in 0.1 and 0.2 security. IIRC 0.3 and 0.4 only drop the relatively low demand -10 to -8 and -8 to -5 tags, 0.2 and 0.1 drop the higher demand tags for -5 to -2 and -2 to 0.


The rats that drop them warp scramble, have high bounties, and are pretty easily defeated by anything larger than a frigate.

Hey thanks again thats a good point i have not thought about. I will need a cheat sheet in front of me so i know what weird names mean what type of ship. Thats also a tough deal when trying to figure out a plan on the spot.

Yea for some chance of survival while jumping around low sec, a prototype cloak might help while not gimping to much your setup.

If you caught in belt well , you are prolyl toast:). An mwd stabber might allow you to escape some ships , as its pretty fast and to get within 10 km of you for web/scrambler is not so easy when you are actively npcing.

Still if you pick some out of the way systems, you should be safe most of the time , and can alwys cloak up if you see neutrals in local.

Alternateively you can alwys join a low sec/ 0.0 sec corp , whose guys know their way around,.
Very wise to risk only what you can afford to loose:)

Good luck and have fun:)

I think its actually rather difficult to get caught if your far enough away from the warp in point and spot them right away on the overview. Unless you are unlucky. Even if they were in a covops fit they have a targeting delay after decloaking so in theory that should enable you to align and warp out quick right? With nanos now the stabber aligns very quickly.

Well I lasted all of about one hour. I figured someone named Zen Dad and a +0.7 status would be no one to worry about. LOL.

It was just him and me in the system so I let my guard down and fixated on my rat battle and took too much of an eye of the damn overview. He said he was visible there for 10 seconds after de cloaking because I was 50km from his warp in. So I got to experience all of the wonderful electronic means of being submissive like scram, neut, webbed and damped. I could not do anything while I watched my capacitor get sucked dry and my ship explode. I got away in my pod though and had a good conversation with him. I actually had a really good time and I am now building another one. Ill just keep going at it until I learn or run out of money and have mine ice again. Mining ice is so boring.

Anyway found a 4 mil blood tag and made about 12 mil in the first hour so its already better income than mining for me where my skills are at and allot more fun as well.

So with this next fit I was tempted to throw some warp core stabs and basically fit some slots with countermeasures to what happened to me. Then I realized that allot of that stuff is really just a countermeasure for not being smart and paying attention more. Instead I could put more into what measly dps I have now and just PAFA(Pay A-*******Attention). The most challenging part is having one eye glued to D-scan, local, the rats and the overview. And don't think that someone named Hello *&^%$#@ Kitty with a 5.0 will not kill you.

Hey yea thanks thats good advise. I have been following allot of that i just got complacent will a guy named Zen Dad, go figure. He was the only one in the system and a positive sec status. Big mistake to think he was cool. He could have been hellow kitty cotontails belonging to lovenotwar inc. He has a good counterintell plan going. Anyway it was a big noob mistake because i took my eye off overview and dscan. A -10 guy came in and i warped to my safe and checked for combat probes till he left. I dont know how the guy that killed my ship has a positive sec status. I thought that even if you ganked in lowsec your status will go down. He has quite a killboard. I make a point to be off the 0 warp in and it worked. He said he warped to zero and saw i warped to 50. Then he bounced off a celestial and came in at 50. I had moved about 40 miles by that time. He said i could have seen him and bailed for a good 10 seconds. Had i simply looked at the overview i would have spooked out of there.

So hypervigilance no matter who is in with you is the big lesson for me today. Also make sure you do not have a pattern like hitting belts in numeric order. Lead the rats away from the belt which may buy you more time. Think like a ganker. Heck it souns like fun for that matter.

I have though allot about a cloak but then it would take up a high slot. I really cannot figure out how it would help anyway. If someone warps in too close Ill be locked before I can use it. And even if not the rat has me locked up probably so it will not work. Better to just pay attention and try to stay aligned.

Aye. That's why I have my overview set up so that only rats + player ships show up when I'm killing NPCs, and no gates/planets/belts/wrecks etc. to clutter up the overview. For players, go the extra step and highlight 'neutrals' in any colour you like (grey/white seems to work best to avoid confusion). That way, they are more obvious when they pop up on your overview (rats don't get a background colour) even if you're not staring at it, you'll notice a different colour pop up in the corner of your eye.

Second thing is, while warping to safe is good, go one step further and bounce between multiple safespots. I have probed out some safespots before and normally mark them down to catch the target later when he runs there.

Sec status doesn't mean a thing, although the extremes can be quite indicative (+5.0 or -10.0) of a persons behaviour. Apart from that, treat everyone in lowsec local as a potential hostile. That NPC corp 1day old character is likely to be a scout and not a newbie who just wandered in by mistake :)

PS. I name all my ships Hello Kitty, or a variation of that

Yes, my overview was overhauled via a guide a while back but highlighting players in some color bar is an excellent idea. This would have saved my butt yesterday. Whe n the player turned flashy yellow then red is what got my attention. By then it was to late because he was iin scram range. Had i seen him as soon as i could have i could have easily got away.