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Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.13 19:31:00 - [61] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Eximius Josari Originally by: bundy bear Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:32:08 Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:30:19 Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:29:29 Originally by: bundy bear Originally by: keepiru Edited by: keepiru on 13/05/2006 13:12:26 have you remember to apply 25% ship dmg bonus to the rails? because most amarr ships do not have a damage bonus and so lasers HAVE to do more damage, or youd be better off just fitting hybrids. use CODE tags If you count in damage bonus the armageddons ROF bonus effectively increases its DPS by 33.33%. This is alot more then the megathrons bonus so in no way do lasers HAVE to do more damage. Have you ever even tried to use a tachyon geddon? I think you are just talking out of your behind like 99% off the forum whiners. Get a clue dude. 425mm railthron > tachyon geddon anyday. Geddon has extreme grid trouble with tachs. You only have 3 mids where you need 2 sensor booster to even be able to lock at range. A ROF bonus can't compete with a dmg bonus in fleets either since you usually get only one volley on the primary ine anyways. High: 7 tachyon beam laser II's Med: 2 sensor booster II's 1 tracking computer II Low: 2 reactor control II 3 heatsink II 2 tracking enhancer II 1 med rep II Done. Way better burst damage than megathron and way better DPS with a tier 1 ship. And doesnt fit. It does, i know a guy who was regularly flying this: 7x tachII 3x sb 4x hsII, 2x rcuII, 2x wcs With web, he spanked dual lar ac pest when fight started at 20km. Not to mention, he had warpout option. So i don't see why the setup above would not fit. That doesn't fit either...where are all you people getting this magic CPU? ~Eximius Josari, Hegemon of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation
Jenney	Posted - 2006.05.13 19:38:00 - [62] Originally by: Gronsak do u ever see any 350mm megas? no? well its says something about them is totally **** also put it this way, a t1 cheap kitted named megabeam guns gedden does better than a t2 kitted 350mm rail mega at the same range at all ranges! is that balance? 350mm rails are a bit weak i use some tech2 ones on my npcing dominix with uranium ammo to give me an optimal of 40km . My warden sentry drones (the weakest hiting of all senter drones) with BS lvl4 drone interfaceing lvl 4 and sentry drones lvl3 out damage and out range my tech2 350mm rails '' i can also only fit 4 guns and iv only got 1 LAR on
Maverick Aeldrin	Posted - 2006.05.13 19:47:00 - [63] "That doesn't fit either...where are all you people getting this magic CPU?" 5% implant?
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.13 19:49:00 - [64] Originally by: Maverick Aeldrin "That doesn't fit either...where are all you people getting this magic CPU?" 5% implant? Perhaps. ~Eximius Josari, Hegemon of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation
Morrigan Starlover	Posted - 2006.05.13 20:12:00 - [65] Ok after reading I gather that the longest of the long lazers far outreaches artillery and rails. But its also a higher weapons class. Nearly double the grid use of the things this guy is comparing it to. So hell why not make bigger artillery and rail guns. Let tempests and megathrons act as long ass range snipers in fleet combat too.
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.05.13 20:24:00 - [66] Woot the ammar have a good weapon! Nerf it! Give the minmatar an 1800mm howitzer, despite the fact that 1400mms are perfectly fine, as are 425mms. I'd love to see the alpha on an 1800mm howitzer Anyway stop **ing whining, and for the love of god stop writing **ing threads with TUX LOOK AT ME PLEASE in the title it's doing my head in let alone his. Tachs have their advantages and disadvantages, and whoever the hell is flying that 3 sensor booster geddon with 4 heatsinks and a full rack of tachs needs to set me up with his cap supplier, cos i'll take 10 of whatever he has. especially with 2 nos from the tempy. I mean wtf? As a dedicated minmatar pilot I hate all things ammar and even I reckon it's fine as it is, right now the things that need looking at are the lower tier rails and arties, the superiority of nos and ecm and thereby the domi and the raven. So stop finding new things to whine about, please. sgb C6 is recruiting ... visit www.c6-eve.com or join channel c-6 for details.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2006.05.13 20:48:00 - [67] Edited by: Shadowsword on 13/05/2006 20:48:27 So, you want a 500mm rail? A gun that will have almost the same dot, a barely superior optimal, and eat so much grid that you need two RCU II to fit 7 of them? Not to mention a terrible cap usage... Well, as far as I'm concerned, you can have it.
Meridius	Posted - 2006.05.13 20:58:00 - [68] Originally by: LUKEC It does, i know a guy who was regularly flying this: 7x tachII 3x sb 4x hsII, 2x rcuII, 2x wcs With web, he spanked dual lar ac pest when fight started at 20km. Not to mention, he had warpout option. So i don't see why the setup above would not fit. Doesn't fit LUKEC, short on cpu. Max skills. Turret cpu implant i'm guessing? Anyway, that Tempest losing to that tach Geddon, lol. It's easy for a Tempest to get under tachs and *****it to no end. Bad pilot. - _____
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.05.13 21:07:00 - [69] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: LUKEC It does, i know a guy who was regularly flying this: 7x tachII 3x sb 4x hsII, 2x rcuII, 2x wcs With web, he spanked dual lar ac pest when fight started at 20km. Not to mention, he had warpout option. So i don't see why the setup above would not fit. Doesn't fit LUKEC, short on cpu. Max skills. Turret cpu implant i'm guessing? Anyway, that Tempest losing to that tach Geddon, lol. It's easy for a Tempest to get under tachs and ***it to no end. Bad pilot. yeah i'm still wondering how the hell that happened. That geddon can't have been going more than 150m/s, how did a mwd / ac tempy not get under it's range in less time that it would take to strip it's shields off? wierd, or just plain *****s. sgb C6 is recruiting ... visit www.c6-eve.com or join channel c-6 for details.
bundy bear	Posted - 2006.05.14 00:22:00 - [70] The dual heavy beam laser which is the weakest beam turret on a geddon will outdamage a 425mm railthron and its still easier to fit a tank on the armageddon.

JoeT	Posted - 2006.05.14 00:24:00 - [71] Originally by: Eximius Josari Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Eximius Josari Originally by: bundy bear Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:32:08 Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:30:19 Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:29:29 Originally by: bundy bear Originally by: keepiru Edited by: keepiru on 13/05/2006 13:12:26 have you remember to apply 25% ship dmg bonus to the rails? because most amarr ships do not have a damage bonus and so lasers HAVE to do more damage, or youd be better off just fitting hybrids. use CODE tags If you count in damage bonus the armageddons ROF bonus effectively increases its DPS by 33.33%. This is alot more then the megathrons bonus so in no way do lasers HAVE to do more damage. Have you ever even tried to use a tachyon geddon? I think you are just talking out of your behind like 99% off the forum whiners. Get a clue dude. 425mm railthron > tachyon geddon anyday. Geddon has extreme grid trouble with tachs. You only have 3 mids where you need 2 sensor booster to even be able to lock at range. A ROF bonus can't compete with a dmg bonus in fleets either since you usually get only one volley on the primary ine anyways. High: 7 tachyon beam laser II's Med: 2 sensor booster II's 1 tracking computer II Low: 2 reactor control II 3 heatsink II 2 tracking enhancer II 1 med rep II Done. Way better burst damage than megathron and way better DPS with a tier 1 ship. And doesnt fit. It does, i know a guy who was regularly flying this: 7x tachII 3x sb 4x hsII, 2x rcuII, 2x wcs With web, he spanked dual lar ac pest when fight started at 20km. Not to mention, he had warpout option. So i don't see why the setup above would not fit. That doesn't fit either...where are all you people getting this magic CPU? That setup does indeed fit. and it works nicely at gates --- Murder Murder, yes indeed, K-I-L-L-I-N-G ---
Commander Thrawn	Posted - 2006.05.14 01:24:00 - [72] Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 14/05/2006 01:25:37 Originally by: JoeT Edited by: JoeT on 14/05/2006 00:28:01 Originally by: Eximius Josari Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Eximius Josari Originally by: bundy bear Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:32:08 Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:30:19 Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:29:29 Originally by: bundy bear Originally by: keepiru Edited by: keepiru on 13/05/2006 13:12:26 have you remember to apply 25% ship dmg bonus to the rails? because most amarr ships do not have a damage bonus and so lasers HAVE to do more damage, or youd be better off just fitting hybrids. use CODE tags If you count in damage bonus the armageddons ROF bonus effectively increases its DPS by 33.33%. This is alot more then the megathrons bonus so in no way do lasers HAVE to do more damage. Have you ever even tried to use a tachyon geddon? I think you are just talking out of your behind like 99% off the forum whiners. Get a clue dude. 425mm railthron > tachyon geddon anyday. Geddon has extreme grid trouble with tachs. You only have 3 mids where you need 2 sensor booster to even be able to lock at range. A ROF bonus can't compete with a dmg bonus in fleets either since you usually get only one volley on the primary ine anyways. High: 7 tachyon beam laser II's Med: 2 sensor booster II's 1 tracking computer II Low: 2 reactor control II 3 heatsink II 2 tracking enhancer II 1 med rep II Done. Way better burst damage than megathron and way better DPS with a tier 1 ship. And doesnt fit. It does, i know a guy who was regularly flying this: 7x tachII 3x sb 4x hsII, 2x rcuII, 2x wcs With web, he spanked dual lar ac pest when fight started at 20km. Not to mention, he had warpout option. So i don't see why the setup above would not fit. That doesn't fit either...where are all you people getting this magic CPU? Need to drop one HS for a tracking mod to make it fit. works at gates Dunno what you guys are talking about, fits fine for me i even managed to fit a 1600 tungston plate in a the place of a heatsink but then i had to drop a heatsink which i replaced with a cap relay to be honest my only concern with this setup is the cap. no way will the cap ever hold up on this. the geddon rate of fire although nice, just causes your cap to evaporate with Tachs. IMHO only a apoc can feild tachs effectively, its mage beams for the geddon.
Meridius	Posted - 2006.05.14 01:40:00 - [73] Originally by: Commander Thrawn its mage beams for the geddon. Mage beams eh -,- wow ftl - _____
Commander Thrawn	Posted - 2006.05.14 01:44:00 - [74] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Commander Thrawn its mage beams for the geddon. Mage beams eh -,- wow ftl constructive post ftl


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