| Pages: [1] :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Obmud
   |
Posted - 2006.05.14 02:46:00 -
[1]
just some quick questions:
Hypothetically:
1. How big is the sec hit if I jump some1 in 0.1 in a retribution at a gate ?
2. How big is the sec hit for killing a ship (no pod) in 0.1 there and how long could i "tank" the sentrys in a retribution properly fitted (hardeners on the depending resistance)
-----------------------
This signature got altered because it was way to sexy and uber. If you want to know why don't ask. We're still horny. |
Aeaus
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 02:47:00 -
[2]
You can't tank sentries in a retribution, but by all means go ahead and try =/
My Guides (Recomended Reading) |
Meridius
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 02:49:00 -
[3]
Good luck tackling, let alone tanking the sentries
-
_____
|
Obmud
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 02:55:00 -
[4]
Edited by: Obmud on 14/05/2006 02:55:16
i was just wondering about the duration since the retri can have very crazy resistances :) so it was a hypothetical approach only then ;)
Still the Question with the sec hit remains.
-----------------------
This signature got altered because it was way to sexy and uber. If you want to know why don't ask. We're still horny. |
xeom
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 04:03:00 -
[5]
Obmud you might be able to do a gank and run.But don't plan to camp the sentrys with anything else but a battleship.
CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes |
xeom
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 04:07:00 -
[6]
Ok,sorry just came back from the movies really tired for some reason i thought read prophecy.You can not tank sentrys in a AF ever...
CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes |
Cruz
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 05:02:00 -
[7]
Yah don't bother trying ot tank teh sentries ;-) The closest non BS thing you can do it with is maybe a Passively tanked ferox. The ferox might last long enough to kill someone before you have to warp out but thats about it ;-)
Or a prophecy with 2x 1600mm for a couple of seconds.
................. |
McCool
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 06:45:00 -
[8]
1. 0.5%
2. 2.5%, and you wont be able to tank the sentrys for at all with a retri even if u have 80%+ resistance across the board. You might be able to lock and kill a noob ship or sth really small next to a gate if you end up right next to it.
|
LUKEC
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 09:37:00 -
[9]
fit 400mm plate + thermic plating t2 on retri.
you can pod ppl with that easily. But that is as big as it gets. And you can only pod stuff that comes with no instas.
Die, die, die. |
Kyozoku
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 09:44:00 -
[10]
You could kill a shuttle, pod it and warp out in structure but thats about it.
Harpy would be much better because you dont have to be in scramble range and you can fit more extenders than plates.
|
Tassi
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 10:01:00 -
[11]
 Originally by: Meridius
Good luck tackling, let alone tanking the sentries
Tanking the sentries has been done by me, for like 5 seconds 
|
Deathbarrage
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 10:02:00 -
[12]
most HAC's can tank sentries long enough to kill something fine (dude I did it in a deimos, that says about enough prolly)
|
south24
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 10:12:00 -
[13]
I've killed a cyclone tanking sentries in a maller in a 0.2, admittidly I warped out with 1/3 structure but it can still be done.
|
Da Death
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 11:25:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Obmud
just some quick questions:
Hypothetically:
1. How big is the sec hit if I jump some1 in 0.1 in a retribution at a gate ?
2. How big is the sec hit for killing a ship (no pod) in 0.1 there and how long could i "tank" the sentrys in a retribution properly fitted (hardeners on the depending resistance)
kick someone in asteroid belts and after that you warp to a SS and wait the agro timer vanish, much more safer 
Absolution - Curse - T2 Laser Crystals - T2 Drones and more -> check Bio
|
Gabby05
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 11:42:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Cruz
Yah don't bother trying ot tank teh sentries ;-) The closest non BS thing you can do it with is maybe a Passively tanked ferox. The ferox might last long enough to kill someone before you have to warp out but thats about it ;-)
Or a prophecy with 2x 1600mm for a couple of seconds.
Cruz have you ever tanked against sentries??
|
agentsmitty
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 12:32:00 -
[16]
Its quite possible to tanks entries in a HAC with a plate for at least 1 minute, i've only done it a few times but it definately works.
|
Nyphur
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 12:55:00 -
[17]
Edited by: Nyphur on 14/05/2006 12:56:49
Originally by: xeom
Obmud you might be able to do a gank and run.But don't plan to camp the sentrys with anything else but a battleship.
A BS is a good option, a HAC is a better option :).
Originally by: agentsmitty
Its quite possible to tanks entries in a HAC with a plate for at least 1 minute, i've only done it a few times but it definately works.
You can tank them permanantly with a Deimos. It seems sentries deal more thermal and kinetic than anything else. It's 18.18%EM, 18.18% Explosive, 31.82% kinetic and 31.82% therma :).
Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Cruz
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 13:01:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Gabby05
Originally by: Cruz
Yah don't bother trying ot tank teh sentries ;-) The closest non BS thing you can do it with is maybe a Passively tanked ferox. The ferox might last long enough to kill someone before you have to warp out but thats about it ;-)
Or a prophecy with 2x 1600mm for a couple of seconds.
Cruz have you ever tanked against sentries??
Unfortunately I have =(
Note the usage of the word "couple of seconds" :P
................. |
MOS DEF
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 13:26:00 -
[19]
Edited by: MOS DEF on 14/05/2006 13:26:59
Originally by: Deathbarrage
most HAC's can tank sentries long enough to kill something fine (dude I did it in a deimos, that says about enough prolly)
Did that in a Zeealot more then once and we all know that the zealot is not THAT much of a tank.
Retribution: No way! Then again the 1 mid slot alone is a KO allready even if you could tank the sntries all your targets but indies will just run fot he gate.
|
Nyphur
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 13:48:00 -
[20]
Originally by: MOS DEF
Did that in a Zeealot more then once and we all know that the zealot is not THAT much of a tank.
People that insist that the zealot or Deimos aren't good tanks are not tanking properly.
Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
El Yatta
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 13:54:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: MOS DEF
Did that in a Zeealot more then once and we all know that the zealot is not THAT much of a tank.
People that insist that the zealot or Deimos aren't good tanks are not tanking properly.
People (well, namely you) that insist the Deimos is a good tank are not fitting their ships to actually use their full potential - hint, not everyone thinks the height of the game is tanking a complex or NPC spawn. There is no point using all the deimos slots to put on a really good tank, because you dont have fittings for MWD and blasters, and the ship is now wasted.
---:::---
|
Nyphur
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 14:13:00 -
[22]
Originally by: El Yatta
EDIT: this wasn't aimed as a dig at you, or to say that you shouldnt use a Deimos like that, only that it is totally useless to the vast majority of people, and pretty much pointless for PVP.
Of course it was a dig at me ;). I don't mind.
The fact of the matter is, a HAC can be fitted for an amazing tank. You can't claim a Battleship is a better tank because when fully fitted for tanking something specific, a HAC will tank it better. The only advantage a BS has is more damage, so you should almost always go for a BS when sentrycamping for targets bigger than a cruiser or hauler. Anything smaller and there's no point.
We're talking about tanking sentries here, anything else is superfluous. If you want to add more damage, dropping some tank is an option but will lower the length of time you can survive at the gate. If you're just popping haulers, it's practically insane to not fit a full tank and injector on a Zealot.
And by the way, I fit a mwd, full tank and medium blasters on my Deimos just fine. I just have to drop the 1600mm plate down to an 800mm, which should be more than enough since your repair rate and HP are boosted by the extra resistances against sentry fire. It won't let you fit a full rack of Ion IIs or neutron blasters, but it's pretty decent and the neutrons are having their grid use reduced soon. My point is that there's more to a tank than fitting a huge plate. The smaller plates or no plates at all are still useful for fitting in a tank AND damage, providing you inject and survive long enough to take out the type of target you're after.
Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Blind Man
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 15:13:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Gabby05
Originally by: Cruz
Yah don't bother trying ot tank teh sentries ;-) The closest non BS thing you can do it with is maybe a Passively tanked ferox. The ferox might last long enough to kill someone before you have to warp out but thats about it ;-)
Or a prophecy with 2x 1600mm for a couple of seconds.
Cruz have you ever tanked against sentries??
Unfortunately I have =(
Note the usage of the word "couple of seconds" :P
my prophecy can tank sentries for 8 minutes 
Passari will never be safe again
sig thingy under maintenance |
Gabby05
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 17:37:00 -
[24]
Edited by: Gabby05 on 14/05/2006 17:37:47
Originally by: Cruz
Unfortunately I have =(
Note the usage of the word "couple of seconds" :P
I lasted 60 seconds in a certain cruiser
for 10 million iskies il mail you a "how2g8camp" info pack :)
|
El Yatta
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 22:34:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Nyphur
Edited by: Nyphur on 14/05/2006 14:16:16
Originally by: El Yatta
EDIT: this wasn't aimed as a dig at you, or to say that you shouldnt use a Deimos like that, only that it is totally useless to the vast majority of people, and pretty much pointless for PVP.
Of course it was a dig at me ;). I don't mind.
The fact of the matter is, a HAC can be fitted for an amazing tank. You can't claim a Battleship is a better tank because when fully fitted for tanking something specific, a HAC will tank it better. The only advantage a BS has is more damage, so you should almost always go for a BS when sentrycamping for targets bigger than a cruiser or hauler, providing you think you can kill it in a minute or two, otherwise you're in trouble. Anything smaller and there's no point in not using a HAC if you can, besides the cost, because it can tank the sentries better (at least the Deimos can thanks to its racial resists).
We're talking about tanking sentries here, anything else is superfluous. If you want to add more damage, dropping some tank is an option but will lower the length of time you can survive at the gate. If you're just popping haulers, it's practically insane to not fit a full tank and injector on a Zealot.
And by the way, I fit a mwd, full tank and medium blasters on my Deimos just fine. I just have to drop the 1600mm plate down to an 800mm, which should be more than enough since your repair rate and HP are boosted by the extra resistances against sentry fire. It won't let you fit a full rack of Ion IIs or neutron blasters, but it's pretty decent and the neutrons are having their grid use reduced soon. My point is that there's more to a tank than fitting a huge plate. The smaller plates or no plates at all are still useful for fitting in a tank AND damage, providing you inject and survive long enough to take out the type of target you're after.
Fair play on all that, its all fair enough, but..
WTB Deimos with four midslots?
You said you use a MWD, and you claimed you had to inject - and as I asked for "useful in PVP", you can't kill jack in a Deimos without a scram and a web. I love cap injecting, yes, pretty much every shield tank I put together has injector, but frankly deviating from the sacred "MWD WEB SCRAM" combo on a blasterboat is utterly stupid, as without all 3 you cannot get to a target and hold it down. Blasters DONT hit stuff without a web.
---:::---
|
Nyphur
|
Posted - 2006.05.14 22:51:00 -
[26]
Originally by: El Yatta
Fair play on all that, its all fair enough, but..
WTB Deimos with four midslots?
You said you use a MWD, and you claimed you had to inject - and as I asked for "useful in PVP", you can't kill jack in a Deimos without a scram and a web. I love cap injecting, yes, pretty much every shield tank I put together has injector, but frankly deviating from the sacred "MWD WEB SCRAM" combo on a blasterboat is utterly stupid, as without all 3 you cannot get to a target and hold it down. Blasters DONT hit stuff without a web.
You don't really need an MWD for gatecamping. And you don't specifically need to inject if you run a nos or two.
Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
| |
|
| Pages: [1] :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |