For a clause in an EULA to be valid it must be enforced, if its not enforced equally that clause is then nullified. It cant' simply be used to target specific players while ignoring the rest.

I have waited so long to say this.

Can I have your stuff?

Unsubbing 6 accounts != quitting EVE, bad luck troll.

Unsubbing 6 accounts != quitting EVE, bad luck troll. I'm fairly certain they're your alts harassing me too right?

Oh, and this. Considering the position you took on the E1 thing:

AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Sure, but it still means 6 accounts that don't need their stuff any more. So hand it over for safe-keeping.

Well, carebears tend to do that.

6 out of 8? I propose Kaarous and I halve it.

Sounds fair to me. Infinity, will you agree to use Chribba as a third party to check the API, so we get a fair split?

Doesn't matter who, no one deserves it.

I would hope that CCP have applied consistent rulings and warnings.

They obviously don't. This person was petitioned for following me from system to system, implying that I watch child **** and am a pedophile, stated outright that they were following me specifically to annoy me and spent hours non stop ranting in local profanity and harassment. Nothing was done when petitioned.

I use the F word, they petition and the next day I get a warning? Fair or biased? You decide.

They obviously don't. This person was petitioned for following me from system to system, implying that I watch child **** and am a pedophile, stated outright that they were following me specifically to annoy me and spent hours non stop ranting in local profanity and harassment. Nothing was done when petitioned.

I use the F word, they petition and the next day I get a warning? Fair or biased? You decide.

I was reported in game for using the f word by a person who has spent the last 3 months following me around from system to system, called me a pedophile, using profanity, and nothing has been done about that person even though I reported them for harassment after they specifically stated they were here to harass only me (screenshotted and supplied to GM's), they're still in system non-stop,. I moved into next system and they've now moved another alt into that system to continue...

So I have received a warning for saying "****" while both in game and on these forums the word is used constantly and no action is taken against the special CCP snowflakes there or here. I'd also point out that on these forums its been implied that I'd be better off killing myself, my person in RL has constantly been personally attacked and still no action is taken against those people (Kaalrous is a great example of someone that seems impervious to sanctions against trolling, personal attacks and bad language).

This is an adult game, played by adults, and imo the use of the word "****" is not an actionable petition-able offence and not a violation of the EULA simply because its used in every system frequently and without sanction. The devs even use it from time to time. For a clause in an EULA to be valid it must be enforced, if its not enforced equally that clause is then nullified. It cant' simply be used to target specific players while ignoring the rest.

Considering this I am unsubbing 6 of my 8 accounts.

No it doesn't. It means transferring all the stuff to my other 2 accounts.

Don't give them the satisfaction, Infinity, for crying out loud.

I will send you the mails I send out when I get raged on and called every name in the book.

Always polite and concise...despite what people have called me. I would be happy to EvE Mail you examples.

Also, IB4L for discussing warnings and bans.

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As you can see the person specifically states they're there to harass me only, which is a violation of the EULA. Nothing is done however me using the F word gets a warning. I don't usually put on the tin foil hat but this seems pretty absurd.

Not only that, but all chat boxes now have a filter that will remove certain words you deem, "unfit."

Toolbox.

You called him an A-hole in the first few lines...

Oh and following someone isn't against the rules, I do it all the time.

How about you post some proof about all his verbal harassment, because all I see so far is you verbally harassing him.

You called him an A-hole in the first few lines...

Oh and following someone isn't against the rules, I do it all the time.

How about you post some proof about all his verbal harassment, because all I see so far is you verbally harassing him.

They obviously don't. This person was petitioned for following me from system to system, implying that I watch child **** and am a pedophile, stated outright that they were following me specifically to annoy me and spent hours non stop ranting in local profanity and harassment. Nothing was done when petitioned.

I use the F word, they petition and the next day I get a warning? Fair or biased? You decide.

Also point out that that same person, after admitting they were their specifically to harass me are still there and on their 3 or 4th month of the same in the system I'm based in.

Actually its against the EULA to target one player and follow them constantly. Learn to read.

I think this is something that needs to be outed in front of the community. They can lock it I'll just start a blog on CCP and its special snowflakes instead. Something they can't control.

But either way, no one no matter what there play style or history in the forum deserves to be called those things or followed from system to system.

Let me state for the record i have no interest in the OP's bandwagon.

Blow him up, evade him, move on.

Only despise the censorship.

Clearly the GMs disagreed.

To quote Moon and Entwistle....

"This is going down like a lead ballon."

To me its clear that this petition is just another form of harassment by this person. They're someone that created 3 alts at the within days of each other, made a beeline from high deep into stain to the system I was in and started a campaign of harassment which they even stated was aimed specifically at me.

That's whats clear. Its a game,, you don't like someone shoot them, this passive aggressive real life stuff is not imo an acceptable form of pvp in EVE.

GM's need to step up and stop applying their rules arbitrarily.

That's whats clear. Its a game,, you don't like someone shoot them, this passive aggressive real life stuff is not imo an acceptable form of pvp in EVE.

GM's need to step up and stop applying their rules arbitrarily.

Isn't that just a matter of picking the right gas for the balloon? I seem to recall seeing it on mythbusters or something.

Actually its against the EULA to target one player and follow them constantly. Learn to read.

Finally, a good thread. :popcorn:

I know, but in before lock. Good old IZ has commited 3 lockable violations so far, not the least of which is discussing warnings and bans.

The above does not prohibit the discussion of "I was warned" it prohibits discussion the details of the correspondence. Its clear from the comments regarding Erotica ones banning and the lack of moderation of such that generalized comments are acceptable.

The above does not prohibit the discussion of "I was warned" it prohibits discussion the details of the correspondence. Its clear from the comments regarding Erotica ones banning and the lack of moderation of such that generalized comments are acceptable.

So you're ninja plexing in 0.0 with an army of alts in a corp called afk cloakers and you're upset because someone is following you???

To me its clear that this petition is just another form of harassment by this person. They're someone that created 3 alts at the within days of each other, made a beeline from high deep into stain to the system I was in and started a campaign of harassment which they even stated was aimed specifically at me.

That's whats clear. Its a game,, you don't like someone shoot them, this passive aggressive real life stuff is not imo an acceptable form of pvp in EVE.

GM's need to step up and stop applying their rules arbitrarily.

Notice how the screencap doesn't actually contain him saying that, but rather IZ quoting it and claiming he said it.

Admitting it called me a pedophile and implied I was watching child ****.

You know I grew up in a really rough area, we called pedo's rockspiders and you didn't call someone a pedo without good reason. If you did you'd likely end up beaten severely or worse.

Its not something I take lightly and Its not acceptable and should be acted apon. On the other hand using the F word is accepted and normal in EvE.

Actually I propose that he said it and his reply is "and?" meaning, yes and so what.

You live in NPC stain, you have nothing you need defend, there is no reason you can't jumpclone out and do other things. It seems somehow that you've pretty much invented for yourself the kind of restrictions that you've berated me for having as a renter.

In the defense of the so-called "badguymeanieface" why didn't you use the block feature, Infinity?

Y'know. Logic.

The rules are quiet clear, you cannot follow a person, going on 4 months now, constantly, verbally harassing them. I shouldn't have to jump out to avoid harassment, it should not be allowed, is not supposed to be allowed, and the player in question should be told to leave. They have not attacked, made any isk from or peformed any other normal EvE function. They are there, admittedly, to harass ME as they stated.

The GMs disagree.

GM's are paid by CCP to apply the rules. They can't disagree since the rules are quite distinct regarding real life harassment of one player by another.

GM's are paid by CCP to apply the rules. They can't disagree since the rules are quite distinct regarding real life harassment of one player by another.

Can anyone join the Infinity Ziona Camper Club? Because I have a remaining slot on my account and honestly had no idea you get get this level of butthurt from following Ziona around.

GM's are paid by CCP to apply the rules. They can't disagree since the rules are quite distinct regarding real life harassment of one player by another.

Can anyone join the Infinity Ziona Camper Club? Because I have a remaining slot on my account and honestly had no idea you get get this level of butthurt from following Ziona around.

You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-partyGÇÖs intellectual property rights.

Just remember Malc, you cannot have a manufactured "harassment" made against you. Keep your logs handy. And screencap often.

Still have yet to see any actual proof these people "harassed" Ziona.

Sensationalism seems to be the rage these days.

Pretty much everything is open to GM interpretation. The GM's interpreted that the real victim was the other guy. You lose, but please continue having a meltdown here.

My favorite part is how he claims that the other guy petitioning him is harassment, then gets upset because his own petition didn't work.

That part is delicious.

Its a tuff game to win. Psychologically its a female sexual game. Its usually played on men. IRL it has about 5 levels of hard. At its easiest its called kissoff, where a girl flirts then acts like she did nothing and tells the guy to kissoff. THe player gets a jolt to their self esteem As the psychological pressure increases the search for self esteem quits working and the player has to escalate to keep from Losing rather than gaining self esteem. Jealousy has morphed to its ugly sister Envy and real criminal acts begin to occur. Many convicted sex offenders and deadbeat husbands are in fact victims of women falsely claiming sexual violations in exchange for monetary settlements or imprisonment of the male litigant escalated by the persecutors need to maintain their denial that they started the game, Self esteem is already lost, all that's left is the delusion victimization.

The best defense is not to join the game. unsub the harassed player/account, escalate the petition, and let Senior GM sort out who's the victim and who's the persecutor. The real persecutors main defense is the enlistment of sympathetic dysfunctional professionals to plead their case for them and IRL there are no shortage of man hating female lawyers. CCP instead actually lacks backbone and if you did not start this, they will probably settle on the side representing the greater number of accounts.

Only cancel the one account, escalate, if you lose sell the character and buy another with similar skillset or cancel those 6 subs. You'll be glad you did. THe more accounts you have, the more this game is a drag.

Clearly calling someone a pedophile and insinuating they are "watching child ****" is harassing, libelous and defamatory.

I don't mind if you do at all as long as you follow the rules:



Clearly calling someone a pedophile and insinuating they are "watching child ****" is harassing, libelous and defamatory.

Clearly following one player around constantly is harassing.

Just be forewarned.

Harassment is bad, mmmkay. Only CCP Ripard can tell if you're being harassed in game via magical out of game mind rays. I just want to follow a player around, see how they work, and chat in local inside of the Eve client.

*snip*

CCP Ripard

*snip*

I'm not having a meltdown, I'm discussing this like an adult, unlike most of you bad trolls.

Clearly following one player around constantly is harassing.

I'm not having a meltdown

You're welcome but don't be surprised if you're arbitrarily banned, just because.

OMG.. heading the the character bazzar. I've never bought a character before.

WTB: Cloaky Manticore pilot. Must be able to follow other players.

The rules are quiet clear, you cannot follow a person, going on 4 months now, constantly, verbally harassing them. I shouldn't have to jump out to avoid harassment, it should not be allowed, is not supposed to be allowed, and the player in question should be told to leave. They have not attacked, made any isk from or peformed any other normal EvE function. They are there, admittedly, to harass ME as they stated.

You're welcome but don't be surprised if you're arbitrarily banned, just because.

That entirely depends on how it's being done. How much of it is just the two of you occupying and vying for the same bit of space?

Your OP and subsequent posting suggests otherwise.

As opposed to a non-cloaky manticore pilot? Probably best to learn about bombers before you buy a cheap non cloaky one....

So what in my posts points to me having a meltdown.

I'm not having a meltdown, I'm discussing this like an adult, unlike most of you bad trolls.

So what in my posts points to me having a meltdown. Is it my reasoned responses to the trolls, my calm manner or my ability to put a actual sentence together vs the other posters in this thread?

I strongly oppose any decision of yours to branch out into forum psychology.

So what in my posts points to me having a meltdown.

The first one, it goes something like this: How dare CCP enforce the rules! I will go to the forums & get the support of the people. I will unsub most of my accounts, that will teach CCP for warning ME!

That'd be the one where you said you're unsubbing 6 accounts because you didn't get your way.

You're welcome but don't be surprised if you're arbitrarily banned, just because.

So what in my posts points to me having a meltdown.

I strongly oppose any decision of yours to branch out into forum psychology.

a good extra dose of AFK'ing will usually fix the problem

So what in my posts points to me having a meltdown. Is it my reasoned responses to the trolls, my calm manner or my ability to put a actual sentence together vs the other posters in this thread?

I strongly oppose any decision of yours to branch out into forum psychology.

Maybe you shouldn't have hopped on the "it only takes one inflammatory blog post 1 month after the fact to get someone banned" train. The irony spewing forth is intoxicating.

Have you tried this bit of advice from the guide in your forums signature?

Your raging and accusations against the GMs; your insistence of calling people trolls and generally lashing out at people; your petulant response to the accusations levelled at you; your inability to properly articulate and provide evidence for what has happened, mainly.

Don't worry, I have no plans to. I would suggest, however, that your decision to branch out into backseat-GM:ing might not be a good oneGǪ

Have you tried this bit of advice from the guide in your forums signature?

The rules are quiet clear, you cannot follow a person, going on 4 months now, constantly, verbally harassing them. I shouldn't have to jump out to avoid harassment, it should not be allowed, is not supposed to be allowed, and the player in question should be told to leave. They have not attacked, made any isk from or peformed any other normal EvE function. They are there, admittedly, to harass ME as they stated.

I don't even smoke, but I'm thinking of having a cigarette after reading all this.

I see a lot of stupidity in this thread but its clearly not my posts or my OP.

I love how OP makes repeated declaration of this being an adult game...when the ESRB tag at the bottom of the forum clearly says T for Teen.

Anyway, GMs only know about stuff if it gets reported, language is a warnable offence, OP got busted. Don't be a potty mouth.

Also, discussing GM action, locks and such, and being here beforehand.

There's so much irony in this thread. It's difficult to put into words how I felt reading it, so here:

I saw no raging. I see exaggeration and I see a lot of stupidity in this thread but its clearly not my posts or my OP. I think the posters in this thread defending passive aggressive IRL harassment against another player, and the associated comments regarding pedophila really disturbing, is that acceptable to you people in real life, child molestation and sexual assault being some form of funny quip?. I find it sick and disgusting.

That in no way is relevant to the topic.

No. Deciding that you will no longer fully support a product, to the tune of 100's of dollars per month is an intelligent way of protesting. While I will retain my 2 main accounts I have decided given the biased way I have been treated by CCP and the non-action in regards to the person who is on their 4th month of deliberate stalking and harassment of my in game character.

That's not a meltdown, that' is called being smart.

I saw no raging. I see exaggeration and I see a lot of stupidity in this thread but its clearly not my posts or my OP. I think the posters in this thread defending passive aggressive IRL harassment against another player, and the associated comments regarding pedophila really disturbing, is that acceptable to you people in real life, child molestation and sexual assault being some form of funny quip?. I find it sick and disgusting.

Ok all trolling aside.....

Let's break out the crayons.

1. You provide no actual proof that there was harassment, other than the harassment you inflicted upon another player.

2. You come to General Discussion, and post this dribble, and then sperge when it is ripped apart by EVERYONE.

3. In the process, you break a bunch of forum rules.

4. Then you call everyone "trolls" because the made you look foolish.

You are absolutely adorable, Ziona.

I saw no raging.

I see exaggeration and I see a lot of stupidity in this thread but its clearly not my posts or my OP.

I think the posters in this thread defending passive aggressive IRL harassment against another player

is that acceptable to you people in real life, child molestation and sexual assault being some form of funny quip?

OP brings shame to the noble AFK Cloaking profession.

I don't even smoke, but I'm thinking of having a cigarette after reading all this.

You forgot to add "ragequit 6 accounts because they didn't ban the guy I don't like".

I saw no raging. I see exaggeration and I see a lot of stupidity in this thread but its clearly not my posts or my OP. I think the posters in this thread defending passive aggressive IRL harassment against another player, and the associated comments regarding pedophila really disturbing, is that acceptable to you people in real life, child molestation and sexual assault being some form of funny quip?. I find it sick and disgusting.

Let me ask you all a question:

A) Would you petition a player for using the F word twice in local? Would you expect another player to petition you? Would you expect to be warned for using the F word? How many times per day do you hear the F word in a channel in EvE?

B) Would you create 3 accounts to specifically harass one player in EvE and continue to do so over a 4 month period? Would you call that player a pedophile and imply they're watching child pornography? Would you sit in local for hours, while that player ignores you ranting non-stop.

C) If a player did B to you or a loved one, would you expect that CCP would deal properly with that player in accordance with its rules on harassment.

D) Give B, would you take seriously a petition by that player against the player they are harassing? Would you expect CCP to?

Now some of people in this thread will of course be all for B, Wallrous being an example. But as a normal non troll, think about your answers first.

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B) Would you create 3 accounts to specifically harass one player in EvE and continue to do so over a 4 month period? Would you call that player a pedophile and imply they're watching child pornography? Would you sit in local for hours, while that player ignores you ranting non-stop.
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Now some of people in this thread will of course be all for B, Wallrous being an example. But as a normal non troll, think about your answers first.

Have you followed the prescribed course in the EULA and reported it to your local law enforcement?

This is textbook cyber-bullying you see nothing wrong with your own actions and think they are perfectly okay while in reality you are treating everyone terribly. When called out on it you take up a victim complex.

I think you should get help for your cyber-bullying.

Yeah, gotta agree with you on this one. I'm seriously considering B. I mean, I knew AFK cloaking got on people's nerves, but I had no idea that AFK cloaking could get on AFK cloakers nerves. Seriously, no need to nerf AFK cloaking, we've found the long sought after hard counter right here.

Let me ask you all a question:

A) Would you petition a player for using the F word twice in local? Would you expect another player to petition you? Would you expect to be warned for using the F word? How many times per day do you hear the F word in a channel in EvE?

B) Would you create 3 accounts to specifically harass one player in EvE and continue to do so over a 4 month period? Would you call that player a pedophile and imply they're watching child pornography? Would you sit in local for hours, while that player ignores you ranting non-stop.

C) If a player did B to you or a loved one, would you expect that CCP would deal properly with that player in accordance with its rules on harassment.

D) Give B, would you take seriously a petition by that player against the player they are harassing? Would you expect CCP to?

Now some of people in this thread will of course be all for B, Wallrous being an example. But as a normal non troll, think about your answers first.

I'm running out of titles here.. does this mean we need Special Victims Unit Ripard Teg or Ripard Teg, M..D.?

Let me ask you all a question:

A) Would you petition a player for using the F word twice in local? Would you expect another player to petition you? Would you expect to be warned for using the F word? How many times per day do you hear the F word in a channel in EvE?

B) Would you create 3 accounts to specifically harass one player in EvE and continue to do so over a 4 month period? Would you call that player a pedophile and imply they're watching child pornography? Would you sit in local for hours, while that player ignores you ranting non-stop.

C) If a player did B to you or a loved one, would you expect that CCP would deal properly with that player in accordance with its rules on harassment.

D) Give B, would you take seriously a petition by that player against the player they are harassing? Would you expect CCP to?

Now some of people in this thread will of course be all for B, Wallrous being an example. But as a normal non troll, think about your answers first.

I'm running out of titles here.. does this mean we need Special Victims Unit Ripard Teg or Ripard Teg, M..D.?

I'm running out of titles here.. does this mean we need Special Victims Unit Ripard Teg or Ripard Teg, M..D.?

My wife is looking at me all crazy because I am crying and ****.

This thread is comedy gold.

My wife is looking at me all crazy because I am crying and ****.

This thread is comedy gold.

I'm curious, wheres the irony?

I'm happy you find child pornography so funny, I don't.

I'm happy you find child pornography so funny, I don't.

My wife is looking at me all crazy because I am crying and ****.

This thread is comedy gold.

Just for you Ziona, Heres a link to something ironic or someone pointing out something ironic on each of the first six pages.

A few pages got double treatment because I couldn't help myself.

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I might wake up my two year old, and I don't even care. Long have I searched for something better than Dinsdale tears, and at last my quest is complete.

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As you can see the person specifically states they're there to harass me only, which is a violation of the EULA. Nothing is done however me using the F word gets a warning. I don't usually put on the tin foil hat but this seems pretty absurd.

I'm happy you find child pornography so funny, I don't.

Answer the questions I posed or are you too afraid of discovering the kind of person you are? Do you find children being sexually molested in front of camera's funny?

Answer the questions I posed or are you too afraid of discovering the kind of person you are? Do you find children being sexually molested in front of camera's funny?

Notice how you are literally the only one in the thread bringing up child pornography?

What a shameful thing to do to try and detract from what happened.

The player followed you, you cyber-bullied them and got punished for it.

Or can you not stand up to your conviction toward others?

Yes because that's what I was called a fkking pedophile. Its not funny. Why don't you go tell your kids or wife how funny you think someone in game following another player and calling them a child molester is...

Yes because that's what I was called a fkking pedophile. Its not funny. Why don't you go tell your kids or wife how funny you think someone in game following another player and calling them a child molester is...

Yes because that's what I was called a fkking pedophile. Its not funny. Why don't you go tell your kids or wife how funny people being called child molesters are...

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As you can see the person specifically states they're there to harass me only, which is a violation of the EULA. Nothing is done however me using the F word gets a warning. I don't usually put on the tin foil hat but this seems pretty absurd.

I too, am gay.

Me in Real Life I'll come to fan fest next year. Tell me how funny pedophilia is there. I'll give you the sternest telling off you ever got, non violently of course.

Wow now you are trying to transition from cyber-bully to real life bully, what the hell man. What is messed up in your head to think this is okay?

Telling someone off because they think pedophila is funny is now bullying?

You should edit this, CCP really doesn't tolerate anti-gay comments.

You should edit this, CCP really doesn't tolerate anti-gay comments.

I'm a suicide ganker. Someone calls me a pedophile probably once or twice a week. Not to mention hoping I get cancer, telling me precisely how they made sweet love to my sainted mother, as well as wish harm on myself and my family in explicit and disgusting ways.

Cry me a river. Wait, you already have!

Telling someone off because they think pedophila is funny is now bullying?

Infinity, if you quit or reduce the number of accounts you use, the 'other person' wins, is that realty what you want?

Do not give the person bothering you the satisfaction of beating you.

Just laugh at the person annoying you, that will eventually get to him/her and you will be left alone.

Telling someone off because they think pedophila is funny is now bullying?

Violence is never the answer, verbal or non-verbal

Love everybody, but the clear cyberbullies like Ziona.

Violence is never the answer, verbal or non-verbal

love everybody

Telling someone off because they think pedophila is funny is now bullying?

This thread is like Pizza hut. It's delivering!

I'm also glad that CCP is taking firm steps at rooting out cyberbullying. It's important to keep the RL/Fantasy divide bright and clear, and if a person can't tell the difference, they really shouldn't be playing EVE. Rock on CCP!

I would dearly love to embarrass someone who thinks pedophilia is funny.

My old lady rides a Night Rod too. Good chics bike.


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lmfao. Chics bike. Your old lady must be huge because my wife can barely move it off its stand. Its about 200kg.

lmfao. Chics bike. Your old lady must be huge because my wife can barely move it off its stand. Its about 200kg.

I think we all need to take a step back here, and think about the real victim in this thread.

Ripard Teg. He's taking a flogging here and he's not even involved, he's a complete third party.

I think we all need to take a step back here, and think about the real victim in this thread.

Ripard Teg. He's taking a flogging here and he's not even involved, he's a complete third party.

Me in Real Life I'll come to fan fest next year. Tell me how funny pedophilia is there. I'll give you the sternest telling off you ever got, non violently of course.

Telling someone off is not violent, especially when I specifically stated it wouldn't be violent. The last time I bashed someone was my sisters boyfriend 11 years ago, he punched her in the face in front of me after a game of vodka chess.. Pieces are shots and you lose a piece you drink it.

He lost, both the game and the use of his eye for 3 weeks. I'm actually very passive and peaceful, however I would dearly love to embarrass someone who thinks pedophilia is funny.

GǪand yet, the only one who's remotely suggesting that it is, is you.