in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

Edit: It's worth mentioning that many of the people you'll run into in low-sec or WH's are quite willing to teach new players a thing or two about pvp. Not everyone, of course, but you might be surprised at how friendly both places can be, if you show a willingness to fight and learn. If you go to low sec and die, strike up a conversation with your killer - after you save your pod...

in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue being in this corp if I cant play?

in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

lol

To them, you exist to be killed. Over and over again. You are no match for them, and you may not be for 3 or 4 years. They get their jollies by killing you. For them, the game is simple. You are just another red plus sign.

Going to low sec or to a wormhole ... bad advice. You will die. They exist there only to kill you. Over and over again.

At two months you barely have the skills to kill Dagan -- an NPC in an Epic Arc Mission. Not very likely you can take on a real Person Character.

The reality is that you actually don't exist to make them happy. It's not your job. Just think of them as a very well written Artificial Intelligence. Now, as you play the game, you win simply by doing the gazillions of things that can be done, and avoid being killed. You will learn a lot. And you will spoil their days.

One day you may decide to grief noobies. And that's fine, I guess, because you will CHOOSE that path. But for now, playing smart is something you can do almost from the gitgo ... and it pisses them off no end.

You should find another corp, though. Or get friends involved in the game and form your own corp. The Corp's purpose is to help you have fun.

For the price, you can't find a game with a better AI. ;)

At two months you barely have the skills to kill Dagan -- an NPC in an Epic Arc Mission. Not very likely you can take on a real Person Character.

lol

To them, you exist to be killed. Over and over again. You are no match for them, and you may not be for 3 or 4 years. They get their jollies by killing you. For them, the game is simple. You are just another red plus sign.

Going to low sec or to a wormhole ... bad advice. You will die. They exist there only to kill you. Over and over again.

At two months you barely have the skills to kill Dagan -- an NPC in an Epic Arc Mission. Not very likely you can take on a real Person Character.

The reality is that you actually don't exist to make them happy. It's not your job. Just think of them as a very well written Artificial Intelligence. Now, as you play the game, you win simply by doing the gazillions of things that can be done, and avoid being killed. You will learn a lot. And you will spoil their days.

One day you may decide to grief noobies. And that's fine, I guess, because you will CHOOSE that path. But for now, playing smart is something you can do almost from the gitgo ... and it pisses them off no end.

You should find another corp, though. Or get friends involved in the game and form your own corp. The Corp's purpose is to help you have fun.

For the price, you can't find a game with a better AI. ;)

in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

Clearly this is not the game for you as you lack the creativity, courage or incentive to work around the obstacle.

Please hand over all your assets to me as soon as you log in next time and then never run this game again before it gets messed up in ugly ways.

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in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

My corporation, which is focused on small-gang PvP, mostly operates out of a major trade hub that a few high-sec mercenary alliances love to camp systematically. We wind up with a wardec from one or two of them every month or so. It doesn't really stop anything we're doing.

Here are a few basic tips that may help:

1) Make an out of corp alt that sits in your station. The alt doesn't have to have anything more than default skills, and can even be on the same account as your main, but leave the alt in an NPC corp. If you're concerned about being camped in station, undock your alt and check things out first. Set a negative standing on your war target corp or alliance so your alt can see them lit up red.

2) When things are very quiet, undock from the station you live in and hit the + sign on your throttle dial to set your speed to max. Let your ship fly off in a straight line for a while. Make some bookmarks. These are known as "insta-undock" bookmarks. When you undock, you have a period of time during which (IF YOU ISSUE NO COMMANDS TO YOUR SHIP) you'll remain invulnerable. You'll also be traveling near max speed. If the FIRST command you issue to your ship is to warp off in the direction you're traveling, you will go from invulnerable to warping instantly, and nobody can catch you. Having instas for stations you use frequently is a huge help.

3) Make some bookmarks at both spots in between celestials in your system ("safe spots") to which you can run when you're being chased, or places that are on-grid from gates but 150+ km off, so that you can check out a gate before landing on it.

4) Watch local. If there are no war targets in local (and you're not in a WH) you won't have war target problems.

There are many techniques to survival, but those are some to get you started. Once they become second nature, wars won't really affect anything you do unless you want to engage a war target or get caught in a highly-coordinated gate camp, which is pretty rare from groups that wardec in high-sec.

Just wanted to add that you want the insta-undock warp to be over 150+ km. Any lower than that and you won't be able to initiate warp. I recommend flying until you're 300 km out from the station. It's worked well for me.

The idea for the new corporation war is to run up the kill stats without really risking anything.

Finally, the approach I recommended the most for a new player is to join a new player friendly large group. EvE Uni, Brave Newbies, Red vs Blue. All of these corporations are friendly to new players, can teach you how to deal with War Decs as well as a lot of other aspects of EvE, and ensure you have a lot of friends to fly with. Hope this gives some ideas on how to deal with a War Dec.

in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

I would actually not recommend EVE Uni for learning how to deal with War-decs. Unless something has changed with them, I remember their SOP (Standard Operation Procedure) as being to stay docked at all times unless a dedicated Fleet Commander is online to organize a response.

I will admit that I'm probably no judge but there are a lot of ways of avoiding war dec (though not if they're effecting the null sec supply line) but for those saying new players should fight back, remember this.

Most professional war decers I've seen use t3 and other high tier ships. Do you really expect a bunch of new players with subpar (both in terms of dps and tank) T1 cruisers and perhaps battlecruisers to be able to fight against a squad of t3 ships and win? Apart from ewar there really isn't anything the new players can do.

Yes if know people say every player is viable in pvp from day 1 but usually that assisting a more experience/skilled player. That new player isn't going to do anything on his own.

I will admit that I'm probably no judge but there are a lot of ways of avoiding war dec (though not if they're effecting the null sec supply line) but for those saying new players should fight back, remember this.

Most professional war decers I've seen use t3 and other high tier ships. Do you really expect a bunch of new players with subpar (both in terms of dps and tank) T1 cruisers and perhaps battlecruisers to be able to fight against a squad of t3 ships and win? Apart from ewar there really isn't anything the new players can do.

Yes if know people say every player is viable in pvp from day 1 but usually that assisting a more experience/skilled player. That new player isn't going to do anything on his own.

I will admit that I'm probably no judge but there are a lot of ways of avoiding war dec (though not if they're effecting the null sec supply line) but for those saying new players should fight back, remember this.

Most professional war decers I've seen use t3 and other high tier ships. Do you really expect a bunch of new players with subpar (both in terms of dps and tank) T1 cruisers and perhaps battlecruisers to be able to fight against a squad of t3 ships and win? Apart from ewar there really isn't anything the new players can do.

Yes if know people say every player is viable in pvp from day 1 but usually that assisting a more experience/skilled player. That new player isn't going to do anything on his own.

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Yes if know people say every player is viable in pvp from day 1 but usually that assisting a more experience/skilled player. That new player isn't going to do anything on his own.

You are quite right, on their own a new player is very vulnerable to a T3 cruiser etc. From my somewhat limited experience in High Sec, that is what the War Dec corp is looking for. That is why the number one suggestion is to join a group that welcomes newer players.

If however your corp decides to fight back on your own, look at ways to even the playing field. If you have a good numbers advantage, think up a T1 cruiser doctrine with logistical support and go at it. Sure you may die, but your learning and fighting back. If you lack numbers, change the field and drag them to low sec. The chances of them following you are very small, and if they do there are a lot of people who would love to get in on T3 cruisers kills all around you.

Yes but how many high sec newbie corps are going to have more than 20 people in it? Perhaps just bad luck but I find corps of that size can barely have 5 people online. That's not going to give you much fighting power. Especially if one of you is flying logi

Yes but how many high sec newbie corps are going to have more than 20 people in it? Perhaps just bad luck but I find corps of that size can barely have 5 people online. That's not going to give you much fighting power. Especially if one of you is flying logi

Yes but how many high sec newbie corps are going to have more than 20 people in it? Perhaps just bad luck but I find corps of that size can barely have 5 people online. That's not going to give you much fighting power. Especially if one of you is flying logi

The assumption that whatever advantage you perceive the aggressors to have is utterly insurmountable and that to even attempt to fight is suicide is the very thing that allows me and people like me to fly vulnerable, multi billion isk ships around highsec victimizing whomsoever we please without the faintest fear of loss.

It's utterly comical how unwilling people are to lift a finger in their own defense. People don't even try to fight back, hell most of them time they won't even seek the knowledge to know what they can do to fight back.

It's like fighting a herd of cows using an ATV and an assault rifle. They could trivially trample you to death, but they don't because they're docile and domesticated.

@ OP

I had a 1 man corp with about 5m sp on the toon and was "war decced" by a dual box player with 100m sp. I was hunted every day by this player so I dropped corp.

That did not work as the other guy got together 4 more 100m or so players and ganked me for lols on a gate in hi sec.

I had these people all on ignore and they contacted me via a contract.... offering to sell me my corpse.

I fought the 100 sp player with my 5m sp self... died and did nothing.

I hired mercs.... did nothing.

I quit the game for 6 months.

GL

Basically, this. That sort of player exists because they know people won't fight back. Start fighting back, and they'll go pick on someone else. (If you're really lucky, or you exhibit the right attitude about it, they might even take you in, teach you some things, and send you out into the world with your new knowledge and experience. It happens.)



Eve Online isn't a single player game. I'm sorry that was your experience. It may have been different had you been in a corporation with other players.

EXPLORE THE UNKNOWN
Are you that rogue captain that enjoys the thrill of sneaking through stretches of enemy territory?
Do you enjoy the discovery of new worlds?
Are you in search of an MMO so vast that there will always be someplace new to explore?
7,000 star systems - NPC and Player controlled regions - hidden worm-hole space waiting to be explored.
BUILD YOUR EMPIRE
Are you a person who knows how to close a deal? Does competing in a marketplace with 2,000 transactions a minute pique your interest?
Are you looking for a game where one can build a legacy as a financial market leader, CEO of a company or even just the main guy to go to for the best arms deals in New Eden?
Huge universe wide player driven market-place - intense research and production system - constantly evolving economy.
DOMINATE YOUR ENEMIES
What is your definition of epic combat? Is it fleets of hundreds clashing in battle? Is it war for control of entire constellations?
Does high risk PvP get your blood racing? 1000+ ship fleet battles - hundreds of ship types - thousands of ship module options
In a single-shard universe, all players are part of one community. Your actions, be they those of a savior or scourge, impact not just a small group or independent shard, but the universe itself.

lots of mindless drivel

lots of mindless drivel


If you are playing soccer and your goalkeeper spends his game watching Netflix....

Pfffftchhh...

Good to see the C and P peeps chime in and nice name Kane.... my alt name in 2008 was Cannibal Lector and I take this is your alt as your 1st kill on BC is in 2010 yet you speak of 2008?

Anyways, no I am speaking of whats going on in game compared to 2008 in game, not a blog etc. The community as a whole should really take a look at it. I am, OP is CCP is.

Take Care

kane has recently changed hands, bear this in mind.

..To the legitimate new players reading this thread, if you are going to learn anything, learn this:

If you choose to be an ignorant victim, you will be the content for the PvP minded.

If you choose to be an informed participant, you are going to have a hell of a lot of fun.

Clear and succinct. I like it. This is a post worthy of quoting and re-quoting.

Clear and succinct. I like it. This is a post worthy of quoting and re-quoting.

in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

Good to see the C and P peeps chime in and nice name Kane.... my alt name in 2008 was Cannibal Lector and I take this is your alt as your 1st kill on BC is in 2010 yet you speak of 2008?

Anyways, no I am speaking of whats going on in game compared to 2008 in game, not a blog etc. The community as a whole should really take a look at it. I am, OP is CCP is.

Take Care

@ OP

I had a 1 man corp with about 5m sp on the toon and was "war decced" by a dual box player with 100m sp. I was hunted every day by this player so I dropped corp.

That did not work as the other guy got together 4 more 100m or so players and ganked me for lols on a gate in hi sec.

I had these people all on ignore and they contacted me via a contract.... offering to sell me my corpse.

I fought the 100 sp player with my 5m sp self... died and did nothing.

I hired mercs.... did nothing.

I quit the game for 6 months.

GL

in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

I have not.. decided not to.

What you need to do is get the aggressor CEO or director onto Teamspeak with you. Then, start raging at them about how they are griefing you and completely lose your sh!t. This is key, you must pull on the heart strings of the listeners from the pain and anguish in your voice. Sperg on for a good hour or two, while feigning a meltdown by speaking in tongues or slurred speech.

For good measure, have your girlfriend (or Mommy) hop on comms also to berate the aggressors at how mean they are, begging them to drop the dec.

(Feel free to use racial epithets to increase the validity of your arguments without fear of repercussions).

Then, post the recording on soundcloud and ask a CSM to bring it to CCP's attention. The aggressors will (evidently) get banned.

You may have noticed that the OP toon no longer exists - and that's a shame, because I'm posting this due to his hide in the hole statement.

FWIW, I still consider myself quite new (because I am...) My corp was war dec'd and I wanted to fight (but never saw them.)
I have PVP'd 3 times, as the defender, lost all 3 times, but learned that I didn't have to loose me and my pod. Now I am plotting an assault on a force of highly experience pirates. I will die. So?

I enjoy everything I've done in this came, exploring, hauling, mining, manufacturing (some of you in this thread bought my stuff) trading, PVPing, missioning... and I have a low tolerance for those who want to gripe about EVE or just want to curl up and die. Sorry.

GD is >> that way. Don't do the above. Recordings like the above are called **** and they are coveted like baseball cards. And the racism might get you banned not the aggressor.

You may have noticed that the OP toon no longer exists - and that's a shame, because I'm posting this due to his hide in the hole statement.

FWIW, I still consider myself quite new (because I am...) My corp was war dec'd and I wanted to fight (but never saw them.)
I have PVP'd 3 times, as the defender, lost all 3 times, but learned that I didn't have to loose me and my pod. Now I am plotting an assault on a force of highly experience pirates. I will die. So?

I enjoy everything I've done in this came, exploring, hauling, mining, manufacturing (some of you in this thread bought my stuff) trading, PVPing, missioning... and I have a low tolerance for those who want to gripe about EVE or just want to curl up and die. Sorry.

A Corp leadership that cannot protect members from predatory wardecs should not be leading anything.

Never underestimate the ability of newbies with semi-competent leadership. They can get a lot of kills of expensive ships.

Yup. In our new corp newbie war dec (was 2-3 weeks old) we lost tons of 1M Isk frigate fits. Our leadership, to encourage getting out and fighting instituted a replacement program with a limit of 1M isk per ship lost in PvP combat against our agressor. They wanted us to go learn in T1 cheap frigate builds to get experience. To sweeten the deal, they offered a reward of 50% of the total value of any ships we happened to destroy. Ten 1M isk frigates can do a lot of harm to a single 150M + isk cruiser or a 500M isk battleship for very little risk.

Oh hey, another topic where I can post the same thing I post since 2011. This harsh environment is what made me decide to subscribe in the first place. Sure, I died left and right. But I saw the potential. I had only played 1 other MMO at the time which was Ultima Online. But something about Eve struck a chord and I kept playing, improving, sometimes listening to other people and at other times meticulously dissecting gameplay mechanics on my own. I know that if I played my cards right and didn't whine too much, I'd probably be fine. It turned out I was right.

Dealing with a dec isn't so bad once you know what to avoid, and what other options you have then grinding hisec and getting mugged while shopping. Being in an inactive corp doesn't help and the wardec mechanic, in my eyes, is more or less intended to make players leave bad corps and congregate in more active ones, so that these may prosper and bring about change. Read: conflict. Because that is the driving force behind the economy, no amount of wishfull thinking is going to change Eve into a themepark. Hopefully.

in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

Fighting back isn't a terrible idea, but if you don't do very well that might just encourage them to continue the war. Some PvP players would rather lose a good fight than not find any at all.

Apart from ewar there really isn't anything the new players can do.

in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

1.4 mil SP freshman here, less than 1 month old.

The industrial corp I'm in just got a War Dec and I kinda lack the skills or funds to fight their Tornados.
They're looking for easy kills.

It messed up the game a bit, since I'm almost grounded when the aggressors are online.
I can't afford to lose my clone or give them any free kills... Also I cannot afford to prolong this unwanted war for another week as I want to actually enjoy playing the game how I want, not how a bully dictates.

I like PvP, that's why I'm here, but when you stuff it down my throat with these unregulated wars, it starts to feel repulsive.
All this War mechanic is like buying permits to bully and kill without consequences, indefinitely.

My only option is to train for combat and start doing the same, as it's damn profitable.
Basically the game encourages you to go rogue, because... majority.

I created another character for blasting miners, haulers and mess up other peoples missions.

I live and work in a jungle, where the rich picks on the poor and where the strong attacks the weak for the lulz. I didn't want the same s**t all over again in a game, I'm already dealing with that.

Tornadoes field LARGE turrets and are glass cannons. Bring a "regular" battlecruiser (i.e. not the Oracle/Tornado/Talos/Naga) ... or a cruiser (might need 2) ... or a handful of frigs, and keep your transversal up -- so long as you don't use a MWD, you should be able to get under their guns relatively easily. Remember, you only need one (1!) point on them to keep them around .... so have a few guys catch them and orbit close ... there's nothing they can do to kill you.

Hell you don't even need to ~kill~ them ... just hold them on field for a while (assuming you can bait them into a belt or to a moon or pinpoint their 100KM from station sniping spot).

Such is the nature of EVE though -- you're allowed to do whatever you want .... and that other guy is allowed to do whatever he wants. Sometimes you can get along well enough, and other times neither of you can do a damn thing.

Really, you don't need "a lot" of PvP skills for EVE. Nearly everything has a counter, and on top of that, with the (ongoing) tiericide efforts from CCP a lot of the ships are more viable than they've ever been in the past ... you can really ruin someone's day even with a "lowly" cruiser.

Furthermore, if this is a "typical" wardec corp, they probably have 2+ wars going right now ... so hit up one of their other WTs and see about working together. A LOT of the time, if you turn up and show you're not as unprepared as the deccer thought you were, they'll tend to stay away from you in the future (as you said -- they want easy kills).

I'm not paying a monthly fee to be at the disposal of other players and I'm also not paying to stay docked.
I'm slowly starting to understand why people come fast and go just as fast. It's not about being hard or complex, that's the attraction, it's about losing assets to idiots for teh lulz.

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Thank you, excellent info.
Unfortunately I completely refuse to use any resources for this "war".

I'm not sure I have the freedom to do whatever I want to do. If some random corporation War Decs you for no apparent reason, you have to comply and adjust your schedule to do that instead.

This will be a week where I'm doing what the others want to do: PvP in High Sec.

I'm not interested in that. I cba to start a different skill queue and fit frigates just because some guys are in the mood for safe ganking and want to hunt us down whenever we try to mine, run missions or move our goods. I am not going to be the target that they need. Not even if it's obvious I would win the fight. I'm simply not interested in their fight just as I'm not yet interested in any random duel.

It might be fun when I get enough skill points to not be gimped, but until then, I'm a level 10 against level 100.

I dont approve of this mechanic in its current form, it forces me to either:
1. Play the game the way the agressor wants you to play, by fighting him.
2. Stay docked for a week.
3. Try to avoid the WT, risking incomplete missions or being blocked in some random station when they come after you.

I'm not paying a monthly fee to be at the disposal of other players and I'm also not paying to stay docked.
I'm slowly starting to understand why people come fast and go just as fast. It's not about being hard or complex, that's the attraction, it's about losing assets to idiots for teh lulz.