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Thrac	Posted - 2006.05.15 19:39:00 - [31] Edited by: Thrac on 15/05/2006 19:41:21 Originally by: Sever Aldaria I played Guild Wars for a few weeks. But it was depressing when I found that you could build a lvl 20 (max level) character in a month. Tried out the pvp and it was boring after the 3rd or 4th round. Just wait in a big area and get thrown into a team with other random people and go fight another team of random people (Yes are pvp matches with people from the same guild but it just got old fast). I think the reason Guild Wars is popular is because there are a lot of kids and other people who won't (or can't) pay to play the subscription games. Guild Wars is a good MMORPG if you don't want to pay I suppose, but definately lacking everything you get with a p2p mmo such as EVE. Especially the community. You can estimate the average age of the Guild Wars community when the towns and all instances of the towns have a crowd of characters w/ nothing equiped doing their /dance emote in the center square all shouting "weee I'm naked! lololo". -_-; edit for some reason my 200 word rant didnt make it, guess im not meant to post here, anyways, the point i made was that dont judge GW after only a few weeks of playing, would 1 week of Eve make it justice? PS. my main is Tzin, logged on my second account by misstake. This is my alt account (in training) that i use for posting, main is Tzin if some1 give a dam...
Verone	Posted - 2006.05.15 19:43:00 - [32] Originally by: Rexen Originally by: Vincent Gaines Guild Wars shouldn't even be on there, as it's not a MMORPG Exactly, it's all instanced except the town. ugh VETO RECRUITMENT
Coconut Joe	Posted - 2006.05.15 19:45:00 - [33] Originally by: Sever Aldaria I played Guild Wars for a few weeks. But it was depressing when I found that you could build a lvl 20 (max level) character in a month. Tried out the pvp and it was boring after the 3rd or 4th round. Just wait in a big area and get thrown into a team with other random people and go fight another team of random people (Yes are pvp matches with people from the same guild but it just got old fast). I think the reason Guild Wars is popular is because there are a lot of kids and other people who won't (or can't) pay to play the subscription games. Guild Wars is a good MMORPG if you don't want to pay I suppose, but definately lacking everything you get with a p2p mmo such as EVE. Especially the community. You can estimate the average age of the Guild Wars community when the towns and all instances of the towns have a crowd of characters w/ nothing equiped doing their /dance emote in the center square all shouting "weee I'm naked! lololo". -_-; I was playing it the second day it was out... there were people who had reached level 20 even then.
Sever Aldaria	Posted - 2006.05.15 19:46:00 - [34] Originally by: Thrac Edited by: Thrac on 15/05/2006 19:41:21 Originally by: Sever Aldaria I played Guild Wars for a few weeks. But it was depressing when I found that you could build a lvl 20 (max level) character in a month. Tried out the pvp and it was boring after the 3rd or 4th round. Just wait in a big area and get thrown into a team with other random people and go fight another team of random people (Yes are pvp matches with people from the same guild but it just got old fast). I think the reason Guild Wars is popular is because there are a lot of kids and other people who won't (or can't) pay to play the subscription games. Guild Wars is a good MMORPG if you don't want to pay I suppose, but definately lacking everything you get with a p2p mmo such as EVE. Especially the community. You can estimate the average age of the Guild Wars community when the towns and all instances of the towns have a crowd of characters w/ nothing equiped doing their /dance emote in the center square all shouting "weee I'm naked! lololo". -_-; edit for some reason my 200 word rant didnt make it, guess im not meant to post here, anyways, the point i made was that dont judge GW after only a few weeks of playing, would 1 week of Eve make it justice? PS. my main is Tzin, logged on my second account by misstake. Suppose I did say a few weeks but... Originally by: Sever Aldaria I played Guild Wars for a few weeks. But it was depressing when I found that you could build a lvl 20 (max level) character in a month. I did give it a month Was pretty fun for 3 weeks, 4th week nearing the end, somewhere in the 5th week was the "I win the game". Now what? Start over as a different job? No thanks.
SecretSeller	Posted - 2006.05.15 19:49:00 - [35] Originally by: Zembla Originally by: SecretSeller It's only right that Eve isn't first anymore. That #1 wasn't legit anyway. LOL, alts, even in this thread. It doesn't really matter wether it's #1 or not though. To me it's #1, and that's what matters. <Z> Typical eve fanboi. You're all that matters.
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.05.15 19:57:00 - [36] Originally by: The Wizz117 whats with the stupid mmorpg.com and eve evrybody seems to be voting on it on eve just to get the standing up in stead of giving it a serieouse review. i also think its lame that ccp put that one contest on the front page to "force" all the members vote on it. QFT! Finally someone has balls to speak the truth! EVE is not bad but definetly not BEST out there. Unnerf Amarr! Proud member of Caldari Provisions
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.05.15 20:10:00 - [37] EVE is the best game for me. That's all that matter. For me. If then CCP are excited that their baby is in a competition about being the best game in this or that category and wish to share it - fine. Then that it's a matter of most people liking this or that game, well that's what the vote is all about in the first place. To get any sort of true poll of which game is best you need to question a lot of people, preferably a lot of people who've played more than just their pet game. On avarage, I think EVE has the most experienced population in that area considering that EVE is seldom the first MMO people try. Ah... Democracy at work. Beautiful. New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards)
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.15 20:12:00 - [38] tbh, the way eve has been going recently I'm not surprised it's slipping
Lardarz B'stard	Posted - 2006.05.15 20:20:00 - [39] I played Guildwars for about 5 weeks over the Xmas period. Was fun for a bit, but I found the PVP dull and uninteresting. No sense of risk. I got what was apparently the best axe in the game on my first trip into some mine thing or other. Then I did the fissure of woe and the other one for a while but these become dull and easy once you know what you are doing. Its good fun while you are levelling up and completing the pve bit of the game. After that it quickly becomes dull. Couldn't be bothered to go through the whole rigamarole with another race of character. Exiles Recruitment
Ryan Scouse'UK	Posted - 2006.05.15 20:21:00 - [40] Yer i got GW when it 1st came out played it for a good while best armour gold la la Monk / W if it counts.. but after u have best armour / weapons ur like right now what? game is way way to small. I mean level 20 max.. ? got boring to quick least its free tho.. collecting dust on my drive,
Thrac	Posted - 2006.05.15 20:24:00 - [41] Edited by: Thrac on 15/05/2006 20:25:46 Originally by: Sever Aldaria a month I did give it a month Was pretty fun for 3 weeks, 4th week nearing the end, somewhere in the 5th week was the "I win the game". Now what? Start over as a different job? No thanks. Well i agree that the pve part is limited to say the least, dont really know how pve kept me busy for over 1000h. One of the major problems in gw is that its devided in pve and pvp, the pvp community despise the pve community and the pve community see the pvp'ers as elitists. So if all you do is playing the game pve side you wont really get a grip of how complex the pvp side is, i never really got a grip of the pvp and i played for several months. Anyways, Eve amd GW cant really be compared, GW is arena pvp, developed for tournaments and such. ----------------- This is my alt account (in training) that i use for posting, main is Tzin if some1 give a dam...
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.05.15 20:29:00 - [42] MMORPG's ratings are worse than IMDB's top 10... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
GrimDoomsday	Posted - 2006.05.15 20:30:00 - [43] Its just a poll... I really couldn't care less if eve or any other game was there tbh. Anything could hit number 1, i mean everquest 2 could be bumped up easy.
Zaldiri	Posted - 2006.05.15 20:57:00 - [44] No no EVE is the best MMO out there, nothing come close. My point is that MMOPRG.com's rating system is meant to be based on real reviews, not tonnes of 10/10s becuase EVE has fallen off the top spot. ----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
Kage Getsu	Posted - 2006.05.15 21:11:00 - [45] Edited by: Kage Getsu on 15/05/2006 21:12:36 Originally by: Kel Shek its fine for people to enjoy GW for what it is. but what it is, is NOT an MMO. but, unfortunately due to things like that and the way some gaming magazines treat the term "MMO" its really getting to lose any meaning it ever had. Apparently, a game that has any or all of the following: -items -dialogue -stats -visible damage numbers is an RPG. "RPG" is the current king of mis-used genre designations, but it seems that "MMO" is starting to catch up. Edit: Guild Wars is neither an RPG or an MMO. EVE Online is not an RPG. Just about anything that calls itself an RPG has no actual role-playing unless people go above and beyond the call of duty to force themselves to roleplay :(. And don't even get me started on the storybook games that the Japanese are fooling themselves into thinking are roleplaying. _________________________________________________________
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.05.15 21:18:00 - [46] Originally by: Lord Slater Lol you should know you started it Ohhh I remember that. I object to being called a CCP pawn Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.15 21:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Lord Slater Lol you should know you started it Ohhh I remember that. I object to being called a CCP pawn was being sarcastic
Zaldiri	Posted - 2006.05.15 21:31:00 - [48] Originally by: Kage Getsu Apparently, a game that has any or all of the following: -items -dialogue -stats -visible damage numbers is an RPG. "RPG" is the current king of mis-used genre designations, but it seems that "MMO" is starting to catch up. Edit: Guild Wars is neither an RPG or an MMO. EVE Online is not an RPG. Just about anything that calls itself an RPG has no actual role-playing unless people go above and beyond the call of duty to force themselves to roleplay :(. And don't even get me started on the storybook games that the Japanese are fooling themselves into thinking are roleplaying. Computer role playing games arn't defined like their tabletop cousins: Basically to be a CRPG all you must have is an advanced character progression system. ----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.05.15 21:47:00 - [49] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Lord Slater Lol you should know you started it Ohhh I remember that. I object to being called a CCP pawn was being sarcastic Oh... Ok. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Siren Shiva	Posted - 2006.05.15 21:50:00 - [50] Edited by: Siren Shiva on 15/05/2006 21:53:47 Originally by: ParMizaN Guild wars is still popular???? ugh, i got bored of that grind-fest, pvp lacking waste of time about a week after i bought it :\| Huh? PvP lacking? What game did you play? Some of my guild mates dont PvE at all, they PvP around the clock when logged in. I'm still not bored after a year Imho GW deserves the top spot, because Eve PvP has too much freaking downtime. But I like both games. Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK but after u have best armour / weapons ur like right now what? game is way way to small. I mean level 20 max.. ? got boring to quick least its free tho.. collecting dust on my drive, Despite what they advertise it at, GW is NOT a PvE game. It is not about equipment or level, which is why you can create a max level max equipment character right after buying the game. It is about player skill and tactics, the PvE is just a long, optional tutorial to learn how your 150 skills work. Lyticus > I freaking hate you! Siren Shiva > I love you too <3 Trey > Siren sounds like she could kick my ass on Vent [vi
Mararage Subjugator	Posted - 2006.05.15 22:02:00 - [51] Originally by: Vincent Gaines Guild Wars shouldn't even be on there, as it's not a MMORPG I loved the game.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.15 22:04:00 - [52] Originally by: Mararage Subjugator Originally by: Vincent Gaines Guild Wars shouldn't even be on there, as it's not a MMORPG I loved the game. and i loved deus ex. it wasn't an RTS
crom ralphfao	Posted - 2006.05.15 22:10:00 - [53] i kinda prefer eve as an underdog game. if it gets too popular with wow or other instant grat players, the playerbase will probably pressure ccp into leveling gameplay for everyone, no matter what skill lvl. game balance....yeah, i understand but sometimes a game is popular because its cutting edge and exciting. overall game balance usually results in dumbing down a system in order to attract players who dont wish or dont have the time to learn the intricate workings of a game like eve, or for people who complain too much. so let the ratings slip, i would rather have a fun game with 120k subscriptions than a game that used to be challenging with 500k subs......remember SWG?
Kage Getsu	Posted - 2006.05.15 23:01:00 - [54] Originally by: Siren Shiva Huh? PvP lacking? What game did you play? Some of my guild mates dont PvE at all, they PvP around the clock when logged in. I'm still not bored after a year Imho GW deserves the top spot, because Eve PvP has too much freaking downtime. But I like both games. Guild Wars is supposed to be treated as a tournament-style competition game with a co-op campaign, not an MMO, which is why a lot of people get confused and claim it sucks compared to EVE. Think of a cross between Diablo and Unreal Tournament, rather than World of Warcraft. You have a character with skills and equipment that you control in third person as with Diablo, and you take into organized battles in arenas ala Unreal Tournament. Comparing a game like EVE to Guild Wars is completely unfair, because Guild Wars isn't supposed to have risky PVP with lasting effects on the world. If you want to blast a game for having super-lame PVP, blame World of Warcraft which can actually be compared to EVE. _________________________________________________________
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.05.15 23:55:00 - [55] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Mararage Subjugator Originally by: Vincent Gaines Guild Wars shouldn't even be on there, as it's not a MMORPG I loved the game. and i loved deus ex. it wasn't an RTS well done/10 Bloodeye intelligence agency
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.16 00:50:00 - [56] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Think of Diablo 2 and its expansion. Fresh ** dumped on some old to make the smell stronger again? I Betaed Guildwars, and it seemed very cool, then I saw that it's instanced, and you need to be grouped constatnly, or have godly items to get anywhere. Oh, and the drop system is *** horrible. I quit the day my low lv lchar solo killed some boss while the rest of my party was ***** around, and it dropped some killer sword, which only I could use, and it went to some monk/necro or something, who sold it to a friend. /me glances over at his preorder box for GW. I wonder if I could still get my 'super shield'.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.16 00:55:00 - [57] Originally by: SecretSeller Originally by: Zembla Originally by: SecretSeller It's only right that Eve isn't first anymore. That #1 wasn't legit anyway. LOL, alts, even in this thread. It doesn't really matter wether it's #1 or not though. To me it's #1, and that's what matters. <Z> Typical eve fanboi. You're all that matters. Typical alt, you're nothing but a coward who is too afraid t say anything with their main.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.16 00:57:00 - [58] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Mararage Subjugator Originally by: Vincent Gaines Guild Wars shouldn't even be on there, as it's not a MMORPG I loved the game. and i loved deus ex. it wasn't an RTS deus ex took more strategy than most RTS these days do...
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.05.16 01:03:00 - [59] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia deus ex took more strategy than most RTS these days do... But... I thought building max space marine squads, dreadnaughts and then charging the nearest CP was a strategy! And then theres that star wars game - rock/paper/scissors at its finest! --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Valium Summer	Posted - 2006.05.16 01:11:00 - [60] Edited by: Valium Summer on 16/05/2006 01:13:25 Originally by: Zaldiri Originally by: The Wizz117 whats with the stupid mmorpg.com and eve evrybody seems to be voting on it on eve just to get the standing up in stead of giving it a serieouse review. i also think its lame that ccp put that one contest on the front page to "force" all the members vote on it. He's right It's intended to be a guage of which MMO is best, not which MMO got the most subscribers to go and give it 10/10 reviews. I disagree 100%. Eve currrently has a user rating of 8.3 and a mmorpg review rating of 8.3. Eve is good. EVE is a great game and gets a great score because it is. For everyone who bad mouths EvE on mmorpg there is probably a rating of "1". It all balances out. This notion that the score is artificially pumped up is ridiculous in my opinion. I suspect the reason there is so many people claiming "foul" with the rank is because so many people haven't played EvE (in relation to other mmorpgs) and they can't explain why a game they didn't play is beating their current game of choice. I have seen the Arctic Circle... And it is round.

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