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Ap0x
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Posted - 2006.05.16 14:40:00 -
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THE NFC leaders dont want peace i guess
do the corps that from the nfc want peace ?
do u guys really think what your leaders are doing is right
i would like to here what the individual corps have to say
when this started i bet they told u all dont worry 1 week and fla will be gone
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ognog
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Posted - 2006.05.16 14:49:00 -
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Pvping, mining and wars etc are part of the game and to suggest 'we become friends and stop all this fighting' is ludicrous within the sense of the game. Personally I feel no hatred towards any character, alliance or corp with whom I have to fight or work with and I would stop playing if I did. The reason for playing this or any other game is to try and win and if you believe otherwise - get a life.
So bring it on FLA lets have some fun and enjoy the fight.
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Eta Carinea
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Posted - 2006.05.16 15:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Ap0x
THE NFC leaders dont want peace i guess
do the corps that from the nfc want peace ?
do u guys really think what your leaders are doing is right
i would like to here what the individual corps have to say
when this started i bet they told u all dont worry 1 week and fla will be gone
Yes i want peace but not at the cost of 3jn. Period
Yes i think the NFC leadership is doing the right thing. However, i do believe that we could have handled this situation so that FLA did not get thier hands on 3jn. However, i accept this is an opinion and players more experienced than me could have a valid view point that differs from my own.
Nope don't ever recall anyone saying this would be over in a week. This subtracts nothing from FLA and Burn Eden whoms sheer tanacity and good pvp skills have been an eyeopener as well as very educational for me at least.
This is the view of myself only not of NFC or my corp..
Eta
Quid Si Coelum Ruat
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Sypher313
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Posted - 2006.05.16 16:39:00 -
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Is there a cease fire in place or is it still shooty shooty?
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Posted - 2006.05.16 16:40:00 -
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I think everyone concerned needs a hug and a cookie...
what ever happens TQ loves you all... even the ugly ones in Burn Stabben
See you all in space for another edition of the finest space soap in eve!
"Arrogance and Stupidity all in one package - How efficent of you commander"
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Zlake
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:18:00 -
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shooty shooty still Sypher
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SATAN
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:40:00 -
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I see many dead D2 people in the near future. Your threats are meaningless and your space is juicy, please give us a reason.
You think the region is unstable now? How about we move into YOUR region and then you can see what unstable really is.
Go ahead and plug this into an English to German translator and think about it.
PS. THIS IS A THREAT.
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monkiboi
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Darko1107
Originally by: Ap0x
my opinion is simple
FLA = INDUSTRIAL ALLIANCE
NFC = PVP ALLIANCE
ROFL!
Agreed Darko  . I would love this to be true but it simply isn't and has never been. The NFC was created from the remnants of residents left after IRON's departure including FLA. AUS mentioned early on that they wanted to make the NFC a PvP corp which I agreed with but the mixture of industrial and npc ratting corps that made up the majority of IRON residents wasn't really up to it. We have/had more corps than FLA who were prepared to PvP but as for being a PvP corp we were/are no IRON that's for sure. Not yet anyway.
Originally by: Ap0x
THE NFC leaders dont want peace i guess
do the corps that from the nfc want peace ?
Every corp in the NFC has 2 representatives within the NFC. Avril and David are simply the mouthpieces for the organisation. If they wish to object to something they they should be contacting these two to voice their concerns. If they're not aware of this then now is the time to come forward.
The fact that not everyone can attend means that some decisions have to be made in their absence. Unfortunate but needed otherwise nothing would ever get done. If this conflicts with a member corps agenda then we'll try and resolve it but shows how important it is to attend the meetings advertised in alliance mail and the forum (when it's working).
3JN is important to the NFC because we want to open up the area to commercial contractors working alongside FLA. Having them use the NPC station for refining is an obvious step as we need to control the number of POS's within Deklein.
If FLA control access to 3JN then they have an opportunity to monopolise the market within Deklein. FLA may well have great plans to re-create a market, as they did before but allowing them to control the market in such a fashion is not good for Deklein residents in the long term. Competition is good.
Lastly and most importantly there are still a number of people within the NFC who still believe that FLA made a power play for control of the 3JN area which led to this conflict. Right or wrong it's this kind of thing that is ultimately stopping both sides from coming together and placing blame will only delay things further.
Neither side believes that the other will keep their end of the bargin at the moment. I can see exactly why FLA don't want to give up their hard won position but can also see that they could use it as a base to build up resources during those 3 months in which to launch an attack if they chose to.
The fact that negotiations have been happening should be a small comfort to both sides. The fact that nothing has been agreed shouldn't be taken that one side or another is unwilling to copromise or that things are being dismissed out of hand. Both sides simply wish to come out of it with something that benefits them. FLA's demands are a starting point but only that. Expect more bumps along the way.
Personally I think the first step is to negotiate a cease fire. Maybe banning all cyno fields from Deklein so that nobody can be accused of building up resources during the cease fire by using carriers or bringing up more dreads.
A third party controlling the stations in the future would be ideal but who would both sides trust to simply hand Deklein over to?
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.05.16 18:54:00 -
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Rumor has it that everyone in D2 space mines in a hulk, everyone npc's with their local minimized and no one has instas.
Oh and the residents think too highly of themselves.
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Trent Hawkins
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Eta Carinea
Yes i want peace but not at the cost of 3jn. Period
Yes i think the NFC leadership is doing the right thing. However, i do believe that we could have handled this situation so that FLA did not get thier hands on 3jn. However, i accept this is an opinion and players more experienced than me could have a valid view point that differs from my own.
Nope don't ever recall anyone saying this would be over in a week. This subtracts nothing from FLA and Burn Eden whoms sheer tanacity and good pvp skills have been an eyeopener as well as very educational for me at least.
This is the view of myself only not of NFC or my corp..
Eta
DISCLAIMER: This is my opinion, and only my opinion, so enjoy.
Why do you constantly say at the cost of 3JN? Do you think we are going to hold on to it so tight and never let it go? Do you fear you are never going to get your assets back because you believe we are some evil organization bent on region domination? Seriously, I would like to know why you have said that paraphrased statement of yours so many times. We have been without station rights for a month in all 4 stations where we have assets trapped. If this has happened to you, would you so quickly give back a station to the people that still have you locked out of the other 3? I can't imagine that you would. As FLA has stated, people will still have docking rights and station rights. It is not like you will not have access to the station. We have stressed after 3 months we would return the station if trust has been achieved. Key word there, trust. If you can't trust us to hold a station for 3 months how can we trust you to not kick us out immediately after we turn it over? You could come up the the counter argument of "oh then if you can't trust us to not kick you out then how can we trust you to hold a station for 3 months." Well you see there, then we would have nothing on our part for you to have to trust us with. It would merely be us having to trust that you wouldn't do again what you have done to us in the past while us just twiddling our thumbs flying around. In other words, both sides have to have something the other side wants to build this trust upon. Complicated I know, and I didn't proofread it, so sorry if you cannot follow it.
Originally by: monkiboi
If FLA control access to 3JN then they have an opportunity to monopolise the market within Deklein. FLA may well have great plans to re-create a market, as they did before but allowing them to control the market in such a fashion is not good for Deklein residents in the long term. Competition is good.
Still my opinion.
As FLA has stated, people will have station rights. It is not like we will be locking out people if this peace is achieved. If we do try to control the market by not letting people dock, then all you would have to do is tell someone of importance and find out the reason why. Honestly the fear of us controlling the market is a baseless fear. We weren't the ones putting up shuttles for 2 mil and Ravens for 250 mil. Maybe this fear should be stated that what you fear is that you won't be in control of the market. But maybe I am reaching too much there, maybe not. Do you really think we would try to control the market and lock people out of the station while we are trying to gain trust as well (since many in NFC obviously don't trust us)? We aren't children here. NFC are going to have to come to a compromise that does not involve leaving FLA with nothing because that isn't a compromise. If not, this is going to be one long summer.
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Katielynn
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Posted - 2006.05.16 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
I see many dead D2 people in the near future. Your threats are meaningless and your space is juicy, please give us a reason.
You think the region is unstable now? How about we move into YOUR region and then you can see what unstable really is.
Go ahead and plug this into an English to German translator and think about it.
PS. THIS IS A THREAT.
LOL you guys are shure full of your selfs 
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Eta Carinea
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Posted - 2006.05.16 20:16:00 -
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Trent
I agree to your viewpoint in fact i would think as you do if i was a member of the FLA alliance. I can see myselfe arguing as much for your position as i do my own. I would even go as far as to say from your viewpoint you have done what i would have followed doing as one of the FLA members and posted backing up the reasons as others have done.
Your post hits on the truth in many ways. Part of which sums up the lack of trust that currently exists between the two sides we both see things differently not wrongly. You have to understand our viewpoint too and that is it was felt that the FLA was attempting to dominate the region. Now you may say this is not true but it was felt within a lot of corps and peeps whom do not post here as those that do are the minority we do need to address this not say that is rubbish and by the way these are our terms.
Ultimatly it is up to the leaders now to resolve those issues i will if the leaders accept a compromise lay down my weapons hopefully this will happen but i also fully understand NFC's position and problems as well as your own. hence i guess why we are shopoting at each other rather then helping each other such is the nature of war.
is not Eve great though how such complex issues are brought about by a game that we all enjoy.
Fly Safe
Eta
Quid Si Coelum Ruat
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.16 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Katielynn
Edited by: Katielynn on 16/05/2006 20:17:02
Originally by: SATAN
I see many dead D2 people in the near future. Your threats are meaningless and your space is juicy, please give us a reason.
You think the region is unstable now? How about we move into YOUR region and then you can see what unstable really is.
Go ahead and plug this into an English to German translator and think about it.
PS. THIS IS A THREAT.
LOL you guys are shure full of your selfs
FLA wants Peace but hold company with people who make statments like this ..... thas funny
Sure has stopped them getting pushed around tho don't u think.
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Trinity Trixx
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Posted - 2006.05.16 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Katielynn
Edited by: Katielynn on 16/05/2006 20:17:02
Originally by: SATAN
I see many dead D2 people in the near future. Your threats are meaningless and your space is juicy, please give us a reason.
You think the region is unstable now? How about we move into YOUR region and then you can see what unstable really is.
Go ahead and plug this into an English to German translator and think about it.
PS. THIS IS A THREAT.
LOL you guys are shure full of your selfs
FLA wants Peace but hold company with people who make statments like this ..... thas funny
Sure has stopped them getting pushed around tho don't u think.
They do want peace (in case you haven't noticed here or in the other two threads). However, as I stated before, FLA are NOT willing to bend over and take it up the ***. They now have the resources to make sure they don't have to. Rather simple really.
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Zimi Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.05.16 20:59:00 -
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So the main sticking point is control of the 3JN station?
FLA wants ownership to 3JN for 3 months (that's until August) and after such time will relinquish control of the station to NFC.
It's my understanding that this is to make sure FLA doesn't get stabbed in the back and locked out of all stations after a peace deal has been made.
This really sounds more than reasonable to me. If FLA goes back on their end of the deal then resume combat. Spend 3 months building up forces in preparation of the handover. That's more than enough time for both sides to make sure the other hold up their end.
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Heinky
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Posted - 2006.05.16 21:17:00 -
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I dont understand why the members of NFC dont throw their leaders out.
NFC made their rep as backsteppers and untrustworthy alliance a soon as FLA got locked out of all stations without warning and engaged.
Thats action made people like myself and other in Burn eden angry because we have friends in FLA. Burn Eden and others went up to help FLA without beeing approached by them to seek revenge/justice whatever.
Taking the 3jn station was doen to show NFC that that kind of behavior will not stand and FLA will get their stuff back and access to this space one way or the other.
NFC can call in D2 to take 3jn or they can try to do it by them selfs, but even if that heppeneds do u really think its over ? Burn Eden , Alektra , FLA would be left roaming around in space or trying to retake the station or other stations in deklein.
I also see no point for D2 to get involved since FLA want them friendly, only thing that would heppened with D2 is they come to help NFC take a station or what ever and wake up finding bored gank fleets in their space the next day they go back.
Lets get peace so we can all go home.
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SATAN
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Posted - 2006.05.16 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
So the main sticking point is control of the 3JN station?
FLA wants ownership to 3JN for 3 months (that's until August) and after such time will relinquish control of the station to NFC.
It's my understanding that this is to make sure FLA doesn't get stabbed in the back and locked out of all stations after a peace deal has been made.
This really sounds more than reasonable to me. If FLA goes back on their end of the deal then resume combat. Spend 3 months building up forces in preparation of the handover. That's more than enough time for both sides to make sure the other hold up their end.
At this point its not even about that.
NFC/Sparta and friends want one thing and one thing only FLA out of that region. All their meetings with FLA to this point have started off with we want 3jn and FLA to move out.
That does NOT sound like a reasonable request. Does anyone think it is?
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Katielynn
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Posted - 2006.05.16 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Katielynn
Edited by: Katielynn on 16/05/2006 20:17:02
Originally by: SATAN
I see many dead D2 people in the near future. Your threats are meaningless and your space is juicy, please give us a reason.
You think the region is unstable now? How about we move into YOUR region and then you can see what unstable really is.
Go ahead and plug this into an English to German translator and think about it.
PS. THIS IS A THREAT.
LOL you guys are shure full of your selfs
FLA wants Peace but hold company with people who make statments like this ..... thas funny
Sure has stopped them getting pushed around tho don't u think.
Perhaps but still thats just asking for more trouble with tribbles
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.05.16 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
That does NOT sound like a reasonable request. Does anyone think it is?
Reasonable? Yes. Rational? No.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Moridan
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Posted - 2006.05.16 22:21:00 -
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OK. I am not a official representative. I just like the shooty shooty and get lots of t1 cruisers blown up against superior numbers.
I, and probably a lot of NFC lost a lot of respect for FLA when UDIE and everyone else showed up to help them. See, we know who you are and why you really came. You don't need an excuse. You are now being piratty ... for a cause.
And maybe your presence is backfiring for FLA? I didn't hear about any D2 movement, but would anyone blame them for not wanting UDIE (and other undesirables) operating in the middle of/next to their space?
I'm not commenting on the terms etc, just my view of the matter. Hell i am not really sure why the fighting began, but give me reds, and i shoots em(and get blown up).
Anyways, have fun 
"Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
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Jonis Sinmaker
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Posted - 2006.05.16 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
So the main sticking point is control of the 3JN station?
FLA wants ownership to 3JN for 3 months (that's until August) and after such time will relinquish control of the station to NFC.
It's my understanding that this is to make sure FLA doesn't get stabbed in the back and locked out of all stations after a peace deal has been made.
This really sounds more than reasonable to me. If FLA goes back on their end of the deal then resume combat. Spend 3 months building up forces in preparation of the handover. That's more than enough time for both sides to make sure the other hold up their end.
At this point its not even about that.
NFC/Sparta and friends want one thing and one thing only FLA out of that region. All their meetings with FLA to this point have started off with we want 3jn and FLA to move out.
That does NOT sound like a reasonable request. Does anyone think it is?
Wow...for once....I agree with burn eden....good on you guys...give them hell anyway. Hell I might just roll up to join the fun.....BANDWAGON TIME! WOOOOOOOOOT!
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Heinky
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Posted - 2006.05.16 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Moridan
OK. I am not a official representative. I just like the shooty shooty and get lots of t1 cruisers blown up against superior numbers.
I, and probably a lot of NFC lost a lot of respect for FLA when UDIE and everyone else showed up to help them. See, we know who you are and why you really came. You don't need an excuse. You are now being piratty ... for a cause.
And maybe your presence is backfiring for FLA? I didn't hear about any D2 movement, but would anyone blame them for not wanting UDIE (and other undesirables) operating in the middle of/next to their space?
I'm not commenting on the terms etc, just my view of the matter. Hell i am not really sure why the fighting began, but give me reds, and i shoots em(and get blown up).
Anyways, have fun
NFC gave us an open invite to come over when u decided to stab FLA in the back.
Im not sure if u know the history, but it was members of Burn eden that set things in motion for FLA to move to deklein when Iron was in control.
And dont try to tell me people are loose respect for FLA because BE and others are here to help them, What NFC did to FLA is much worse then any kind of piracy. Burn Eden would never stab anyone in the back like that.
Do u really think D2 care? The sooner NFC stop their nonsense and take real political action the sooner we will be out of here.
Now that 3jn has fallen and is well under sov protection, im sure u will be seeing other stations under siege and taken over.
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Trent Hawkins
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Posted - 2006.05.16 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Eta Carinea
You have to understand our viewpoint too and that is it was felt that the FLA was attempting to dominate the region. Now you may say this is not true but it was felt within a lot of corps and peeps whom do not post here as those that do are the minority we do need to address this not say that is rubbish and by the way these are our terms.
DISCLAIMER: More of my opinion
Eta,
I appreciate your acceptance of my viewpoint. I too can see your viewpoint. At the very start of this conflict I remember FLA being completely locked out of any form of comminucation to the NFC. So it is very reasonable for you to believe the information given to you by your fellow NFC'rs to be the truth as you have little to say other than our word otherwise. I don't pass it off as rubbish, though there may be some that may. But they are also the same that were once happily building and selling in a market, which is what they loved to do. And then without notice they were locked out of stations and fired at, and then when told by the then leaders of NFC that, and I paraphrase, their "intel have been been wrong and were willing to talk." And when the day of this talk came, no one from NFC showed up, and NFC had assembled a fleet to attack our POS.
That leaves a very large wound to the hearts and minds in FLA, which is why trust will have to be earned from NFC in our minds. Whether details or not have been missed. Whether double agents or spies were there from both parties. It matters not. What matters is that those involved will have to press for peace. I know FLA wants this peace as it is mentioned often in alliance as often as it is mentioned that we will not be forced out, but FLA will not also be left without a safe haven in their minds. And in their minds that is a station.
Thus I am back to that issue of trust. As NFC will have to earn FLAs trust, to those in NFC that fight as hard and with the conviction of FLA, FLA will too have to earn the trust of NFC as NFC also feels they were betrayed (though I am still unclear as how they were betrayed and what they were told we were going to do). I mean, if we were going to take dominion of the area, don't you think we would have taken our stuff out of the stations first? But that point is moot. As I mentioned earlier, and I still stand by, both sides will have to hold something the other wants to gain this trust. When you do the trust game, and fall backwards into the arms of friends, you don't just say 'hey, I trust you. I don't need to really fall backwards.' You actually fall backwards and trust those people.
So FLA holding a station and returning it is what NFC will have to trust FLA will do. The question becomes what will NFC have that FLA will trust that they do. To me I would say something along the lines of cancleing merc contracts (though it cannot be confirmed that ROA was hired by NFC, I have heard no one deny it either), allowing FLA access to the other stations(to at least retrieve our stuff) as we give access of NFC to 3JN, and of course a cease of all hostilities. Whether this is fair or what FLA wants for sure I cannot say.
But to the bigger part though it is up to the leaders to resolve these issues, it is up to the members to voice if that they want this war to end.
Man I wrote a novel here. I ramble easily >.<
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.16 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
I see many dead D2 people in the near future. Your threats are meaningless and your space is juicy, please give us a reason.
You think the region is unstable now? How about we move into YOUR region and then you can see what unstable really is.
Go ahead and plug this into an English to German translator and think about it.
PS. THIS IS A THREAT.
1. I foresee bored gank squads of you in branch cause of lack of targets, we have our own wars to fight and no that does not include Deklein for now.
2. See #1
3. I am capable of speaking and understanding english very well, thanks. Also we are not G, we have 4 english speaking corps in the alliance, thank you.
PS. Your threats bore me
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monkiboi
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Posted - 2006.05.16 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Trent Hawkins
Originally by: monkiboi
If FLA control access to 3JN then they have an opportunity to monopolise the market within Deklein. FLA may well have great plans to re-create a market, as they did before but allowing them to control the market in such a fashion is not good for Deklein residents in the long term. Competition is good.
Still my opinion.
As FLA has stated, people will have station rights. It is not like we will be locking out people if this peace is achieved. If we do try to control the market by not letting people dock, then all you would have to do is tell someone of importance and find out the reason why. Honestly the fear of us controlling the market is a baseless fear. We weren't the ones putting up shuttles for 2 mil and Ravens for 250 mil. Maybe this fear should be stated that what you fear is that you won't be in control of the market. But maybe I am reaching too much there, maybe not. Do you really think we would try to control the market and lock people out of the station while we are trying to gain trust as well (since many in NFC obviously don't trust us)? We aren't children here. NFC are going to have to come to a compromise that does not involve leaving FLA with nothing because that isn't a compromise. If not, this is going to be one long summer.
I did say "opportunity". You may well be very happy with some competition in the Deklein market but lets face it, a whole 0.0 region with the untapped market potential if offers up for grabs by an industrial alliance? Every single sale going straight into your wallets? The temptation for abuse is there whether you like to admit it or not. I certainly wasn't suggesting you would do anything during a cease fire/cooling off period. I would expect you to use the time to take a firm grip on the market though.
A free and open market such as one we would like to see in Deklein cannot be controlled. I'm not going to pretend I know much about economics so you can lecture me later if you wish.
There is indeed a Raven on the market at 250million. Nobody will buy it at such a rediculous price but that's what a free market is all about. Choice for buyer and seller. I have no idea who put it up there at that price and unless someone actually decides to buy it then we'll never know the identity of the seller.
The NFC will no doubt have to compromise, but then so will the FLA, not nesacarily (sp?) over 3JN but possibly over some other points. Both sides need to feel they come away with something. You appear not to acknowledge this point. At the moment you get peace and 3JN while we get peace and...?
Originally by: Heinky
I dont understand why the members of NFC dont throw their leaders out.
NFC made their rep as backsteppers and untrustworthy alliance a soon as FLA got locked out of all stations without warning and engaged.
I've already explained in a previous post how the NFC works so I'm not going over it again but suffice to say AUS no longer play the role they had when this started.
You say we stabbed FLA in the back. We say we acted to protect our interests in Deklein and 3JN/CZD. It's an endless circle of blame with both sides believing that they're the injured party. If you're really interested in both parties coming to an agreement then let them attempt to do so without remarks like that getting people riled up.
Originally by: Heinky
And dont try to tell me people are loose respect for FLA because BE and others are here to help them, What NFC did to FLA is much worse then any kind of piracy. Burn Eden would never stab anyone in the back like that.
I don't think there's many people in the NFC who've lost respect for anyone in this conflict, FLA included. The opposite in fact whether you choose to believe me or not.
We know what Burn Eden are capable of and treat each encounter accordingly. It's just smack talk. Again, we don't need remarks like that getting in the way from either side. Ignore it.
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Trent Hawkins
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Posted - 2006.05.17 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Trent Hawkins on 17/05/2006 00:19:42
Originally by: monkiboi
I did say "opportunity". You may well be very happy with some competition in the Deklein market but lets face it, a whole 0.0 region with the untapped market potential if offers up for grabs by an industrial alliance? Every single sale going straight into your wallets? The temptation for abuse is there whether you like to admit it or not. I certainly wasn't suggesting you would do anything during a cease fire/cooling off period. I would expect you to use the time to take a firm grip on the market though.
A free and open market such as one we would like to see in Deklein cannot be controlled. I'm not going to pretend I know much about economics so you can lecture me later if you wish.
MORE OPINION
This is just me being devil's advocate now. What is to stop NFC from doing the exact same thing you claim we would do. In fact, what is to stop anyone in EVE from doing it. In fact again, what is to stop corps within your own alliance from doing it to others in the NFC. In fact some more, what is to stop you from doing it to your corp or your corp to you! You see how silly this gets? There is our dilemma, which cannot be solved until you read most post about trust and actually understand it. If you keep fearing that everyone is out to screw you, you end up screwing your friends (and not the attractive opposite sex ones (or same sex ones if you swing that way) (parens are fun))
And you are right, NFC will most likely feel like they are losing out on the peace deal that has been mentioned before because they lose complete control of a station. But you know what? You already lost complete control of one station (see CZD). I cannot give you a concrete tangible answer to what NFC will gain. Maybe there is nothing that NFC can tangibly gain immediately from the end of this war. But I tell you what, you sure aren't gaining anything right now continuing to push this war.
edit: sometimes I must correct typos, not always!
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2006.05.17 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cockroach
DOFA, Alektrophobia
Just a note that DOFA is part of alektrophobia. :@
"What i have posted Is what i think and in everyway relates to what my alliance feels, it does not however effect my real life or make me want to warp scramble my sister and blow her head off |
Larra Crofte
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Posted - 2006.05.17 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
1. I foresee bored gank squads of you in branch cause of lack of targets, we have our own wars to fight and no that does not include Deklein for now.
2. See #1
3. I am capable of speaking and understanding english very well, thanks. Also we are not G, we have 4 english speaking corps in the alliance, thank you.
PS. Your threats bore me
Edit: Btw, Mr. Smart i dont even see a single threat from any D2 members in here so wtf?
[Insert Noob by-stander disclaimer]
Greetings D2!
I am *new* to Eve, and this situation is as crazy as I can imagine. My char was 10 days old when this started.
NFC (please don't make me find the quote) seems to be trying to get your alliance into the mix and kick FLA out of Dek, which prompted Satan's independent post.
I just want to say thank you for your mature response here, and certainly you have enough to deal with. If you do have the time or energy to be involved at all, some guidance and advice to both sides of the Dek conflict would be appreciated and valued I hope!
I have heard that both NFC and FLA have "mates", "friends", "buddies" on either side. Certainly friendship should win a solution over everything else here.
I am also of German heritage, and would like to point out that *most* speak English pretty well--it's taught in school. So, if you have questions or want advice, just ask 
As for ROA, they claim themselves openly that they are under contract for NFC. Hired mercs to cause "trouble" really wound up translating into terrorist acts on innocent true noob members of FLA in "safe space", and I wouldn't be suprised ~if~ those acts put the extra fuel on the fire for an otherwise peaceful FLA.
I truly find this all fascinating, and if there are recorders of history for Eve, this might be a good one to write down!
Best wishes for peace and financial success ($=power) to both sides.
Cheers and beers ,
Larra (noob of FLA speaking on self-honor only)
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Hestia III
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Posted - 2006.05.17 03:28:00 -
[59]
Originally by: thedragoon
Originally by: Cockroach
DOFA, Alektrophobia
Just a note that DOFA is part of alektrophobia. :@
Actually you get to start correcting people when you actually have an alliance till then... DOFA is part of no alliance. |
Emno
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Posted - 2006.05.17 03:51:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Hestia III
Originally by: thedragoon
Originally by: Cockroach
DOFA, Alektrophobia
Just a note that DOFA is part of alektrophobia. :@
Actually you get to start correcting people when you actually have an alliance till then... DOFA is part of no alliance.
So your saying alliances like curse, stain etc only existed after shiva as there were no IGAs before then?
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