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Mireille Bouqet
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Posted - 2006.05.15 21:21:00 -
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Freelancer Alliance have always tried to maintain their honesty and integrity in EVE, and this statement should be taken in that vein.
FLA have been active and productive residents of Deklein for some time. As I am sure many of you may know, due to several misunderstandings, much mistrust, and what appear to have been spies/double-agents within FLA and other Deklein corporations, civil war broke out recently between FLA and NFC.
Since this war began, FLA and their allies and friends have fought hard and valiantly against the forces arrayed by NFC and their supporters with heavy losses on both sides. It has also come to our attention that some of the people within corps in Deklein who may have prompted this war are no longer part of the ruling body of the NFC.
With this in mind, FLA no longer sees any value in the continued fighting between our respective forces, and would like ot invite the current leadership of the NFC for talks, at their convenience.
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Maltrox
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Posted - 2006.05.15 22:13:00 -
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Hear Hear Mireille.
Well said :)
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Zimi Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.05.15 23:23:00 -
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If NFC is wise they will accept this olive branch, call for a cease fire, and negotiate a peace.
- Vlasic of TW Fame
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2006.05.16 00:39:00 -
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I would like to also clear up some important facts about alektrophobia's involvment
1. We were never hired By FLA and have recived no ISK's for our assistance
2. I offered my alliance to help as of a direct freindship with a certian corp within FLA that i have played with for a long time in eve
3. Dofa had intrest's as FLA were in the space where they were as a direct result of them and me
This should clear up any rumor's about being hired or why we suspended actions in BWF and BB space....
an Official statment will be released by my alliance shortly.
Frag Out
"What i have posted Is what i think and in everyway relates to what my alliance feels, it does not however effect my real life or make me want to warp scramble my sister and blow her head off |
Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.16 02:51:00 -
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 Originally by: thedragoon
I would like to also clear up some important facts about alektrophobia's involvment
1. We were never hired By FLA and have recived no ISK's for our assistance
2. I offered my alliance to help as of a direct freindship with a certian corp within FLA that i have played with for a long time in eve
3. Dofa had intrest's as FLA were in the space where they were as a direct result of them and me
This should clear up any rumor's about being hired or why we suspended actions in BWF and BB space....
an Official statment will be released by my alliance shortly.
Frag Out
Does this include Burn Edens involvement?
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2006.05.16 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: thedragoon
I would like to also clear up some important facts about alektrophobia's involvment
1. We were never hired By FLA and have recived no ISK's for our assistance
2. I offered my alliance to help as of a direct freindship with a certian corp within FLA that i have played with for a long time in eve
3. Dofa had intrest's as FLA were in the space where they were as a direct result of them and me
This should clear up any rumor's about being hired or why we suspended actions in BWF and BB space....
an Official statment will be released by my alliance shortly.
Frag Out
Does this include Burn Edens involvement?
As Be does not accept merc contracts I would guess so 
"What i have posted Is what i think and in everyway relates to what my alliance feels, it does not however effect my real life or make me want to warp scramble my sister and blow her head off |
Sypher313
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Posted - 2006.05.16 05:31:00 -
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seems like a fair honest offer.
Interested to see what transpires.
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CB Cyrix
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Posted - 2006.05.16 09:04:00 -
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Nice mature move there, I hope that NFC go ahead with this, coz we so need to get back to making Dek mightly.
If it helps, heres a sexy lady in my siggy to chear you all up!
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Felicia Stone
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Posted - 2006.05.16 09:10:00 -
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/agree
Just hope that the leaderships can come to some sort of arrangement and we can get back to being killed by our enemies instead of former friends 
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Dragonmorph
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Posted - 2006.05.16 09:33:00 -
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Well at the moment, the current leadership of the NFC are demanding that FLA Leave Deklien completely or die.
I would urge those members with a more rational grasp on reality to bring pressure to bear on those that proport to represent you to reach an amicable solution before more destruction and a further weakening of our region occurs
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Drunken Claptrap
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Posted - 2006.05.16 09:42:00 -
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NFC came to the table last night and through their leaders Avril Dewar, David Hope, Flying Condor and Rayven Darkwolf offered us the following. "Leave by downtime or we come in with D2 and cleanup"
Incidentally we were also given the time it takes to decloak a ship to show how quickly we could command all our forces (including our friends from Alektrophobia) to cease firing. This was done by Rayven, who was actually more amicable than the rest). However after our show of goodwill, we were told it was pointless. Condor said that they could not stop what was in motion as it was demanded by the rest of their membership. (In other words we can control our forces, but they cannot reciprocate)
Later, they came back to the table.
FLA said what we have said from the start. We have no real interest in holding a station, and would be happy in the future to hand it back. However, due to the trust issues and the way we were told to leave or die, we feel it necessary to maintain a base in Deklein while we all learn to live in peace again. Our friends from Alektrophobia (and Frag was acting as intermediary at this point), suggested we hold 3JN for 3 months, although all parties would have access to all stations and services, then after this period, if things were still peaceful, then FLA would hand it back. Unfortunately Flying Condor and possibly the others took exception and went back to "Leave now or die"
You can imagine our disappointment, but hey ho.
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CB Cyrix
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Posted - 2006.05.16 09:58:00 -
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I dont understand why you are soon keen on keeping 3JN. If we are to all live here together then surely you should just let NFC control it.
Your talking about trust etc, and NFC to let you live in Dek, but what are you doing for NFC? Holding a station.
If you give the station over, and then the worst happens (NFC decied to ban you from from entering and tell you to leave Dek) then just take it back again. Its not like you havnt done it already in style?
(My own opinion only and not of the NFC)
CyRiXÖ
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.05.16 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: thedragoon
As Be does not accept merc contracts I would guess so
I think Kick & the boys would accept a contract if it looked good enough 
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2006.05.16 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: CB Cyrix
I dont understand why you are soon keen on keeping 3JN. If we are to all live here together then surely you should just let NFC control it.
Just like that, after what we've been through? D'ya think anyone else would do that in our situation? Honestly.
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Your talking about trust etc, and NFC to let you live in Dek, but what are you doing for NFC? Holding a station.
We're not doing anything for NFC, we're doing it TO you. What we could do however, if anybody in the NFC had just the tiniest bit of vision for the future, is create a market to rival most empire regions. That's what.
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If you give the station over, and then the worst happens (NFC decied to ban you from from entering and tell you to leave Dek) then just take it back again. Its not like you havnt done it already in style?
Sure. And I'm in the habit of always asking my dentist to pull an extra tooth whenever I go. Double the fun and all that.
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Deersew1
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Posted - 2006.05.16 10:46:00 -
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I'd have to agree to the FLA guy above. Can anyone in NFC really see FLA handing back 3JN straight away, after they had to battle for it. Doesn't make sense to me.
I'd really like to see peace, but things seem too heated currently. Lets just hope someone else doesn't walk in and take the whole damn place
Personally im cowering in the 3jn station, not being able to clone. And therefore not coming out lol.
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David Hope
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Posted - 2006.05.16 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Drunken Claptrap
FLA said what we have said from the start. We have no real interest in holding a station, and would be happy in the future to hand it back. However, due to the trust issues and the way we were told to leave or die, we feel it necessary to maintain a base in Deklein while we all learn to live in peace again. Our friends from Alektrophobia (and Frag was acting as intermediary at this point), suggested we hold 3JN for 3 months, although all parties would have access to all stations and services, then after this period, if things were still peaceful, then FLA would hand it back. Unfortunately Flying Condor and possibly the others took exception and went back to "Leave now or die"
You can imagine our disappointment, but hey ho.
I think you'll find the point was more 'sod off, it's 4AM already'! I've just woken up again after that mammoth talk of what, five hours?
Contrary to what others may think we have been discussing this matter with FLA on and off for at least ten days. We will, no doubt, be discussing it again today or tomorrow. Both sides have deep grievances that may or may not be capable of resolution within the framework of a united Deklein.
If I get on later no doubt me, Avril, Rayven or Condor will discuss with you again. I saw some progress last night, although your 'leave or die' is a mischaracterisation of our offer, though I understand why you see it that way given the problem of trust that you have (and that we have).
Hopefully I will see you later.
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Tiree
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Posted - 2006.05.16 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tiree on 16/05/2006 11:48:42
Originally by: CB Cyrix
I dont understand why you are soon keen on keeping 3JN. If we are to all live here together then surely you should just let NFC control it.
Your talking about trust etc, and NFC to let you live in Dek, but what are you doing for NFC? Holding a station.
If you give the station over, and then the worst happens (NFC decied to ban you from from entering and tell you to leave Dek) then just take it back again. Its not like you havnt done it already in style?
(My own opinion only and not of the NFC)
CyRiXÖ
We were all of a sudden kicked out of the stations and NFC which started this whole situation in the first place, you can't blame us from not wanting this to happen again, do you? I mean can you guarantee this will not be happening again? How would you view the situation if an FLA character was to be the executing person in the NFC holding corp? I am sure FLA won't pull something like what happened on any of you, but can you say the same in that situation? If so then perhaps we should do it, if not then you should understand our situation.
I think the offer is quite reasonable. And personally I think we should just stop fighting have a NAP (for now) between all involved, and go from there. Give access back to all stations for everyone, put station services up for low prices/at low cost (e.g. refining 5%, low production slot cost), and no other rules about where to refine or produce for now.
When all seems to be working out (personally I wouldn't have set any time frame like 3 months at all), we could start thinking about moving all stations under 1 banner again like intended. In that case everyone (FLA, SPARTA and Dek residents) should be as equals and equally represented in the holding corp, with no possibility to kick someone out. Not sure how it works exactly, but perhaps a more or less neutral party (IRON or D2? perhaps event crew?) could control the character in charge of the holding corp, without having a vote in anything themselves. Too bad there isn't a system that facilitates this kind of cooperations between alliances...
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Keris Reaper
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Posted - 2006.05.16 11:49:00 -
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As far as I am aware these are the options NFC can see:
1) Start FLA withdrawal from Dek, no combat on either side. Once withdraw is complete. Both sides will come to the table and arrange FLA return to Dek.
2) Continue fighting and face the distinct possibility that both alliances will fall at the hands of a 3rd party.
Now I don't know what prompted this new round of talks or what prompted FLA to contact NFC via these forums, but my guess is from what has already been said on these forums that pressure is being applied by D2 to FLA to leave the Dek. region either peacefully or on the receiving end of a hostile fleet.
As far as I can see it is in the best interests of both alliances for FLA to withdraw peacefully and then come to the table to try and rebuild their relationship with NFC before someone takes advantage of the situation and destroys both alliances presence in Dek.
From what I do know of the situation once a course of action is agreed upon both sides will hold to it. If the current NFC make an agreement and do not stick to it as a result of these discussions then that is an alliance I would not want to be a part of.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.16 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: thedragoon
I would like to also clear up some important facts about alektrophobia's involvment
1. We were never hired By FLA and have recived no ISK's for our assistance
2. I offered my alliance to help as of a direct freindship with a certian corp within FLA that i have played with for a long time in eve
3. Dofa had intrest's as FLA were in the space where they were as a direct result of them and me
This should clear up any rumor's about being hired or why we suspended actions in BWF and BB space....
an Official statment will be released by my alliance shortly.
Frag Out
Does this include Burn Edens involvement?
Yes we are the same.
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Trinity Trixx
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Posted - 2006.05.16 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Deersew1
I'd have to agree to the FLA guy above. Can anyone in NFC really see FLA handing back 3JN straight away, after they had to battle for it. Doesn't make sense to me.
It wouldn't make sense to anyone who has half a brain. If you think I'm wrong NFC, put yourselves in their shoes. FLA will not become slaves to you, but they do want to live in peace side by side with you. Why you wouldn't want that is beyond me and my fellow comrades.
FLA have been more than fair NFC. It's a shame you're not seeing that and accepting their generous offer.
To those NFC pilots who want to see peace and a cease-fire upon your old friends, I'd suggest putting some pressure on the powers-that-be in your organization. FLA will not bend over and NFC leadership needs to realize this fact rather quickly.
Trin
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Professor Polygon
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Posted - 2006.05.16 12:11:00 -
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To those NFC pilots who want to see peace and a cease-fire upon your old friends, I'd suggest putting some pressure on the powers-that-be in your organization. FLA will not bend over and NFC leadership needs to realize this fact rather quickly.
NFC leaders have completely outwitted FLA with ease. Everything you think you have achieved they let you achieve, at great cost to yourselves, I suggest FLA members put pressure on they're leaders to leave Deklien asap as you are not in any postion to hold 3JN - cut and run if you have any sense - though I fear you have left it to late to come and grovel for a cease fire. FLA are in a position of great strength as you will soon find out.
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2006.05.16 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Keris Reaper
As far as I am aware these are the options NFC can see:
1) Start FLA withdrawal from Dek, no combat on either side. Once withdraw is complete. Both sides will come to the table and arrange FLA return to Dek.
2) Continue fighting and face the distinct possibility that both alliances will fall at the hands of a 3rd party.
On those terms? Let me think here for 0.00014 picoseconds. Yep, I know. An extra big helping of no. 2 please, with plenty ketchup on the side.
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As far as I can see it is in the best interests of both alliances for FLA to withdraw peacefully and then come to the table to try and rebuild their relationship with NFC before someone takes advantage of the situation and destroys both alliances presence in Dek.
I'm sorry, how's that in our best interest? If we relocated to empire, you'd not for a moment entertain even the idea of having us return. Pull the other one, will ya. Oh, and it's you who have a need to rebuild the relationship with the FLA, since you're the ones who broke it, not the other way around.
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From what I do know of the situation once a course of action is agreed upon both sides will hold to it. If the current NFC make an agreement and do not stick to it as a result of these discussions then that is an alliance I would not want to be a part of.
Comment reserved for future threads and postings....
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Professor Polygon
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Posted - 2006.05.16 12:27:00 -
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The end of my last post should read as 'FLA are NOT in a position of great strength as you will soon find out'. Sry for my typos.
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Cockroach
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Posted - 2006.05.16 12:30:00 -
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After last nights somewhat one way talks with NFC, the demands put upon FLA by NFC were to remove all FLA pos's, place them into 3jn station and leave Deklein were seen to be unacceptable to FLA.
FLA with their friends took 3JN against overwhelming odds, for an industrial alliance a great achievement. For some of us within FLA this has been the first opportunity for FLA members to dock at a station in a month since the FLA had all docking rights removed without warning.
FLA were the first to extend an olive branch to the NFC, with the invitation to talk, to have the olive branch snatched and tossed into the fire with the ridiculous demands from the NFC.
D2 have now involved themselves in the affairs of Deklein siding with NFC to eradicate the FLA and their friends from 3JN. FLA truly regret the course of action D2 are taking after the lasting good relations which FLA have enjoyed with them in the past. FLA respect the decision D2 have made but do not adheer nor tremble to the threats made to the FLA by the NFC that D2 are comming to 'clean you out'.
In the past month the FLA have been turned from a peacable industrial alliance, with the logistics, highly organized leadership, and the resources to equip half the population of Eve, into a blood thirsty, untiring war machine with nothing more than equality, honesty and integrity as their ultimate goals.
FLA have suffered the traumatic effects of having huge PvP fleets thrown against them, continual and ongoing mercenary contracts against them and some of Eve's finest alliances and friends turned against them. FLA still live in Deklein and still believe they have every right to live there in peace with other Deklein residents.
Threats and demands of leave or die will NEVER move FLA. Compromise, common ground and peaceful negotiation is more likely to stabilize Deklein and make it stronger for all to live in against all outside forces.
FLA are preparing for a long time occupation of their home in Deklein, wether this be as 'the FLA war machine' or 'the FLA industrialsists' is no longer FLA's decision but the decision of those wishing to eradicate us.
I would like to express my personal thanks to Burn Eden, DOFA, Alektrophobia and all FLA's friends for supporting FLA at this time. We have learnt a great deal from you guys in pvp against overwhelming odds and truly appreciate your continued support; even when this support from you may be now seen by the population of Eve that you guys are a caring bunch of ugly mugged pirates and mercs that have a soft spot for a bunch of carebear industrialists
These comments are my own and not official to FLA
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Lightof God
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Posted - 2006.05.16 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Lightof God on 16/05/2006 13:09:28
Rather interesting to see how this turns out.
edit: sweet looks like I got my NFC tag nice.
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Talos Darkhart
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Posted - 2006.05.16 13:27:00 -
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Looking into my magic cookie I see the NFC as D2's mining biatches by the end of the month
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Ap0x
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Posted - 2006.05.16 13:50:00 -
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my opinion is simple
FLA = INDUSTRIAL ALLIANCE
NFC = PVP ALLIANCE
It has taken 4 weeks now for nfc to remove FLA form dek without success
options left
-1- either speak to fla and resolve this in a way in wich fla and nfc are both happy
-leaving dek more secure more ppl better fleets to respond to any fources that may want to take the area
-2- call in d2 to remove them with u from dek
-do the corps within the nfc really want there frends within the fla removed from dek .leaving dek with just the nfc to protect it
-fla managed to take 3jn station from under your noises what would u do if u came across a pvp alliance that wanted dek you would lose everything
-d2 have as much to do with this as nfc and fla as d2 use dek to travel back and to from empire u must want to see this resolved by now do u really belive that removing fla is the best way to keep dek safe from invasion
NFC FLA + D2 USE TO BE FRENDLY
WHY CANT U ALL JUST GET ALONG
WORK TOGETHER MAKING EACH OTHER STRONGER B 4 SOME 1 COMES AND TAKES EVERY THING ALL OF U HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO GET
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Zimi Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.05.16 13:58:00 -
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dek isn't a very good gateway to empire space
but Dek is right next to fade, so it is in D2's interest to stabilize the region.
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moroti
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Posted - 2006.05.16 14:00:00 -
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I personally can't see any value in the continued fighting either and hope our two alliances can come to some kind of peaceful arrangement and over time, start building trust again.
Ceding the 3JN station to FLA would be complicated I guess but its the only really workable option as I see it - but then I'm not involved in the ongoing discussions and negotiations.
Theres more important things to waste time and effort on in the game than fighting a war that helps no-one and most people don't even know why it started.
(not the opinions of NFC or my corp)
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2006.05.16 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ap0x
my opinion is simple
FLA = INDUSTRIAL ALLIANCE
NFC = PVP ALLIANCE
ROFL!
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