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Jett0 Team Kitty Choke Slam 16	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:02:00 - [1] - Quote WAY tl;dr - Post anything you're thinking regarding DUST 514. Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 have both been released, their PS3 versions commanding Metacritic scores of 86 and 88, respectively. These two games represent the pinnacle of years of ideas and development into the types of games DUST 514 will be directly competing with. If you're a shooter fan, as I am, what would motivate you to play DUST as opposed to these, and other, excellent shooters? Here are my own uneducated and semi-unrelated random thoughts on the subject, if you're interested. -- DUST and M.A.G. -- DUST immediately draws comparisons to MAG, another PS3-exclusive FPS. MAG boasts 256 simultaneous players on its largest maps, and has XP-based incentives to follow your squad leader's orders, which somewhat mitigates the chaos. When it released it received a 7.0 from IGN.com, which isn't terrible, but it certainly isn't impressive. What many might not know is that about a year ago, it was patched to MAG 2.0, which resolved a lot of the issues with the game. If the game had shipped this way to begin with, review scores would have been higher and more people might be playing today. The point of all this is that DUST 514 needs to make a strong first impression. It can't just be "that shooter that links to some online game." It has to be "a kickass game, and oh it also links to some online game." -- Marketing -- CCP has already stated that they're trying to draw from a different demographic for DUST 514. EvE can get away with slim (by comparison) marketing efforts because it's a niche genre. Even in the MMO space, the high fantasy games have to advertise how they're different from WoW, and even WoW had to advertise why it was superior to EverQuest back in the day. But good, high quality space-themed MMOs are hard if not impossible to come by. If you're interested in sci-fi and MMOs, chances are you've at least heard of EvE Online. DUST does not have this luxury. It's competing in a vicious marketspace where the titans of the genre have already been established. More interest and attention needs to be generated for DUST than it currently is for EvE. The advertisements you see before playing YouTube or other videos need to contain DUST promos. I don't think a TV spot would be out of the question. DUST will be $20 on the PSN, which will give you the game and $20 of the in-game currency. It is essentially free. There's no reason why PS3 owners shouldn't flock to this game, unless it comes off on the PSN advertisements as just another online downloadable barely worth investigating. I think a retail copy, priced at normal game retail prices (with extra currency/benefits for the higher cost) would go a long way in cementing the idea in browsing gamers' minds that DUST is a "real" game. -- Community and metagame -- If the EvE link were taken away, DUST should still be able to stand on its own as a decent shooter in its own right. The standard features that players have come to expect from modern shooters (good balance, leaderboards, stats, social links, etc.) should all be there. I'm going to point to MW3's introduction of Call of Duty Elite as an example. Despite MW3 being basically a $60 DLC pack, I believe it's going to hold more endurance as an online shooter because of Elite's ability to help you improve. Seeing an overhead of all the maps with the areas in which you tend to get killed has done for online play what the original Modern Warfare did with the Kill-Cam. Since DUST links to an MMO, the metagame is crucial. Gamers need to be able to log on to a website that tracks whats going on to their slice of the DUST universe. What are my kill/death stats? What are all the planets I've fought on, and who owns them now? What is my corporation doing/fighting? What EvE corps have I fought for? I want to be able to know and track these things without turning on my PS3. -- A feeling of polish -- I think the primary reason shooters appeal to people is the inherent simplicity in learning the game mechanics. You point at something and press a button. There's no confusion, and no camera issues. Just pure reflexive bliss. Making those long-distance headshots has to be one of the most satisfying experiences I've had in gaming. Where a lot of shooters seem to screw this up is in the execution or "feel" of this concept. MW succeeds by playing it straight. You point and shoot, and that's pretty much it. If you can do this the fastest and in the right circumstances (learn the maps!) you're a good player. BF, by comparison, has a weightier feel to your character. When you sprint across the snow in full gear, you can almost get a sense of how exhausting that might be in real life, and you better watch yourself while doing so 'cause bullets really hurt. It's a different but equally valid solution for immersion. Whatever style DUST ends up with, whether it be MW's point-and-click, BF's weighty alternative, or even Halo's floaty mechanics, it needs to be internally consistent and believeable. The right weight and sound to the weapons and vehicles, and even the "correct" feel of sprinting, go a long way towards deciding how long I'll stick with a shooter. -- What I believe many EvE players dread -- I think most of us want DUST to succeed. It's an original idea made by an original developer. From videos and blogs, it's obvious that DUST will be at least a competant shooter. I think the general fear (or atleast mine) is that this is merely what it will be. A generic, repetitive point-and-make-dead game that does little to distinguish itself from other similar games on the market. Having said that, if anyone can succeed, it's CCP. Good luck, guys.
Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED 166	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:11:00 - [2] - Quote My wishlist: **** the PS3. Release Dust 514 on PC, where it belongs. Anything else? Nope. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more
Denidil The Graduates Morsus Mihi 159	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:18:00 - [3] - Quote Alpheias wrote: My wishlist: **** the PS3. Release Dust 514 on PC, where it belongs. Anything else? Nope. not empty quoting MM Bombers, Best Bombers
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 365	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:21:00 - [4] - Quote Alpheias wrote: My wishlist: **** the PS3. Release Dust 514 on PC, where it belongs. Anything else? Nope. This. I mean seriously, a console exclusive shooter?!? That hasn't worked since halo, and halo worked because it was revolutionary and involved heavy aim-assist.
Black Dranzer 68	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:23:00 - [5] - Quote A PC port. It uses the Unreal engine for the love of God, I refuse to believe it'd be that much trouble.
BLACK-STAR 223	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:24:00 - [6] - Quote I dont understand where you think comparing an arcade shooter game such as MW3/COD is going to compete directly with DUST514. those are entirely two different types of games. BF3 and COD have a playerbase that's been with it for years and will always outmass in numbers of ppl playing it. DUST514 should be launched on PC too not just PS3. It would give it a higher success rate. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img]
ThisIsntMyMain Republic University Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:24:00 - [7] - Quote Do NOT expect DUST to compete directly for large numbers of subscribers upon release. The planned development path for DUST is completely different from other games http://www.develop-online.net/features/1461/Dust-514-The-PS3s-most-important-game There are some very very good reasons why DUST is slated for release only on the PS3. Primarily .... Quote: CCP has a strong relationship with Microsoft GÇô in fact EveGÇÖs back-end server tech is based on Windows GÇô so Gunnarsson is politely talking around the issue. What he wonGÇÖt say is that Microsoft had an opportunity, back in 2009, to launch the worldGÇÖs first console MMO FPS with another studio entirely. The game was called Huxley, built by Webzen and intended to feature cross-platform play between PC and Xbox, as well as incorporate a microtransactions model. It was trying to be everything Dust 514 is aiming for. But during its development, Microsoft put a ban on the cross-platform feature. Then it prohibited the microtransactions. Huxley never made it onto Xbox.
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 320	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:25:00 - [8] - Quote An eventual PC port. Also Large battlefield capabilties when possible I too would love to see massive 256 players on the field Then eventually battles on all planet types. Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 365	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:26:00 - [9] - Quote ThisIsntMyMain wrote: Do NOT expect DUST to compete directly for large numbers of subscribers upon release. The planned development path for DUST is completely different from other games http://www.develop-online.net/features/1461/Dust-514-The-PS3s-most-important-game There are some very very good reasons why DUST is slated for release only on the PS3. Primarily .... Quote: CCP has a strong relationship with Microsoft GÇô in fact EveGÇÖs back-end server tech is based on Windows GÇô so Gunnarsson is politely talking around the issue. What he wonGÇÖt say is that Microsoft had an opportunity, back in 2009, to launch the worldGÇÖs first console MMO FPS with another studio entirely. The game was called Huxley, built by Webzen and intended to feature cross-platform play between PC and Xbox, as well as incorporate a microtransactions model. It was trying to be everything Dust 514 is aiming for. But during its development, Microsoft put a ban on the cross-platform feature. Then it prohibited the microtransactions. Huxley never made it onto Xbox. Interesting, but I can tell you Huxley would have flopped because it was cross-platform. Pitting people with mouses against people with joysticks has only one possible result - all the console players quitting, buying PCs, or getting into masochism. And it just doesnt make sense to launch on the PS3 when the target audience is the EVE playerbase, all of whom own gaming PCs.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 365	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:27:00 - [10] - Quote Nova Fox wrote: An eventual PC port. Also Large battlefield capabilties when possible I too would love to see massive 256 players on the field Then eventually battles on all planet types. Gas Giant Jetpack Army HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 148	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:34:00 - [11] - Quote Alpheias wrote: My wishlist: **** the PS3. Release Dust 514 on PC, where it belongs. Anything else? Nope. Problably wont happen, unless they get crap numbers playing the game and then have to let the people play it on their PCs. After a while wont most people playing Dust only be the people playing Eve Online? I guess a few console gamers who don't play Eve Online will keep playing. It is going to be free to play after all.
ThisIsntMyMain Republic University Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:37:00 - [12] - Quote Akirei Scytale wrote: And it just doesnt make sense to launch on the PS3 when the target audience is the EVE playerbase, all of whom own gaming PCs. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see DUST on my PC. Its a game I'm really looking forward to. But existing EvE players are not and never were the target market for DUST. CCP wants to capture existing console kiddies. They want to lure them away from their existing games simply because DUST is another shooter and you might as well try it for a few weeks and then capture them with the realisation that DUST is fundamentally different from any other game they played. CCP cant market this game on their own. They need either Sony or Microsoft and you can't have both because those two companies will never work together. Given Microsoft's history with Huxley and reputation for ruthless business tactics, who would you choose ? Yes, the choice of Unreal engine is very smart. It may not be the greatest graphics engine, but it is cross platform portable and Yes, in theory, you could probably port Dust to both the PC and the XBox if circumstances change in the future.
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 5	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:40:00 - [13] - Quote I say this with all due respect to our CCP hosts, but DUST will be a blip in gaming history - probably only recognized only for ambition. The market is far too saturated by quality products so very similar that the concept of FPS meta gaming will simply not be enough to overcome to date has been underwhelming previews of the game. CCP cannot hope to out market other publishers and face stiff competition on its only platform in the form of Planet Side 2 which will be shamelessly promoted to DUST players in the hope to harvest them. Am I saying DUST will be a bad game? Not at all. Destined to be a FW type add-on to EVE for hard cores? Pretty much. My only hope is that it doesn't send CCP to the wall or effectively ruin them as suits move in to take over.
Trainwreck McGee Ghost Ship Inc. 122	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:40:00 - [14] - Quote did not read a word.....but i do wish this was not in the EVE ONLINE forums Go over to the PS3 forums and post this and get out of my sight. CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 365	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:42:00 - [15] - Quote Graic Gabtar wrote: I say this with all due respect to our CCP hosts, but DUST will be a blip in gaming history - probably only recognized only for ambition. The market is far too saturated by quality products so very similar that the concept of FPS meta gaming will simply not be enough to overcome to date has been underwhelming previews of the game. CCP cannot hope to out market other publishers and face stiff competition on its only platform in the form of Planet Side 2 which will be shamelessly promoted to DUST players in the hope to harvest them. Am I saying DUST will be a bad game? Not at all. Destined to be a FW type add-on to EVE for hard cores? Pretty much. My only hope is that it doesn't send CCP to the wall or effectively ruin them as suits move in to take over. You could have said the same thing about EVE pre-launch. DUST has one thing EVE does too - it offers something nothing else in the genre does. So I do forsee a similar path as EVE took - slow growth into a decently sized, dedicated niche population.
ACE McFACE Acetech Systems 81	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:44:00 - [16] - Quote Quote: The right weight and sound to the weapons and vehicles, and even the "correct" feel of sprinting, go a long way towards deciding how long I'll stick with a shooter. Gah it better, on Call of Duty Rehash 3 theres a revolver which sounds exactly like a normal pistol, its like the developers couldn't even be bothered hiding the fact its almost the same game again Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt!
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 366	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:48:00 - [17] - Quote ACE McFACE wrote: Quote: The right weight and sound to the weapons and vehicles, and even the "correct" feel of sprinting, go a long way towards deciding how long I'll stick with a shooter. Gah it better, on Call of Duty Rehash 3 theres a revolver which sounds exactly like a normal pistol, its like the developers couldn't even be bothered hiding the fact its almost the same game again when you pick up a game with a number in its name, you don't get to complain that it is the same.
Gilbaron The Scope Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:51:00 - [18] - Quote i just hope they wont screw up on the microtransactions
ACE McFACE Acetech Systems 81	Posted - 2011.11.15 06:53:00 - [19] - Quote Akirei Scytale wrote: ACE McFACE wrote: Quote: The right weight and sound to the weapons and vehicles, and even the "correct" feel of sprinting, go a long way towards deciding how long I'll stick with a shooter. Gah it better, on Call of Duty Rehash 3 theres a revolver which sounds exactly like a normal pistol, its like the developers couldn't even be bothered hiding the fact its almost the same game again when you pick up a game with a number in its name, you don't get to complain that it is the same. No no I didnt buy it, saddly my brother did though Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt!
Issler Dainze Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 309	Posted - 2011.11.15 07:13:00 - [20] - Quote I'm waiting for Dust 515 on the PC!!! Actually I am pretty much hating CCP right now because now I have to buy a gaming console. For whatever reason my space madness is making me want to play it! Issler
Valkris Arkayne Perkone Caldari State 50	Posted - 2011.11.15 07:28:00 - [21] - Quote Only 1 wish - PUT IT ON PC! I won't buy a console just to play a single game. Plus, I can't stand the control schemes of console controllers. No game is worth the expense and pain of buying a console.
Nypheas Azurai Azimuth Enterprises 43	Posted - 2011.11.15 08:15:00 - [22] - Quote PC. that is all.
Lord Mandelor Consolidated Holdings War Ensemble. 74	Posted - 2011.11.15 08:22:00 - [23] - Quote Will join the chorus of PC. Just throw it down on Steam, wait for sale, make millions. ConHo Daily: http://conhodaily.blogspot.com Stories ranging from midgets inside your Damage Control to drones becoming self-aware.
Oberine Noriepa 194	Posted - 2011.11.15 09:18:00 - [24] - Quote I think the OP has a lot of good points that definitely need to be addressed. Anyone following CCP Shadow on Twitter? Link him to this thread! I would like to see if he has anything to say. Here's his Twitter. I would also like a PC version, but I'll definitely be getting Dust on the PS3.
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 113	Posted - 2011.11.15 10:16:00 - [25] - Quote I'm with the "make a PC port" However, I don't see that happening so: 1. Don't try to compete with other FPS's. 2. It needs to be unique. I'm thinking this should be something where mercs should be able to assist the corporations they work for in some way. Their work should assist us, be it the ability to harvest more resources or something. Usually when you hire someone IRL you do it so that it benefits you, and I need a reason to keep mercs hired. 3. This needs to be an MMO 1st, FPS second. There needs to be a value for the merc to log in and do some solo "grind" of some fashion where he's able to interact with my corporation in space and provide me a benefit. Think: Skyrim but in the future where they have professions, skills to learn/train and resources to gather. It's not Rocket Surgery
Written Word Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 120	Posted - 2011.11.15 10:31:00 - [26] - Quote Not having to buy MT guns every month to stay remotely competitive.
Deviana Sevidon Jades Falcon Guards 96	Posted - 2011.11.15 10:32:00 - [27] - Quote The problem is, CCP has already shot into their own foot with PI, I don't think it is wise choice to link another game to an already failed aspect of the game. No one I talked likes PI, it is just something people do to fuel their towers, or at least earn a few ISK sideways, nothing less but certainly nothing more. The entire mechanic is boring and tedious and in lowsec it will head into the same direction as lowsec mining and become extinct. So aside from a few 0.0 wars and there were not too many sovereignity changes lately, there will be nothing to fight for. The highsec PI users will stop if taxes become to high, lowsec will be already dead by the time dust is released and in 0.0 only a handful of planets will probably change owners during a week, so not much to fight over in Dust.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 369	Posted - 2011.11.15 10:34:00 - [28] - Quote Written Word wrote: Not having to buy MT guns every month to stay remotely competitive. I see you played Combat Arms. Thats a pretty ******** business model.
Schnoo The Schnoo 11	Posted - 2011.11.15 10:39:00 - [29] - Quote Probably one of the stupidest things CCP could do is put it solely on PS3. All EVE players have a PC, and many probably don't own any consoles. Not putting it on the PC means you won't get nearly as many people buying it as you would if you had - and you have to compete with popular PS3 games, which have many years of development ahead of you. The main problem being that the only thing you have as an upper hand is the EVE universe, which few console gamers care about at all (I doubt the pew pew, explosions! aspects of Dust will be comparable to current top games).
Niko Takahashi Perkone Caldari State 9	Posted - 2011.11.15 10:56:00 - [30] - Quote PC version thanks

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