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Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.16 21:10:00 - [1] Quote: was always obvious the gallente ones would be best at dealing damage actually, seeing as fighters are caldari tech, it wasn't :). besides that though, some very good ideas in there /emote waits for istvaan to see this thread
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 08:31:00 - [2] Originally by: Bacchuss Originally by: Sarmaul Quote: was always obvious the gallente ones would be best at dealing damage actually, seeing as fighters are caldari tech, it wasn't :). besides that though, some very good ideas in there /emote waits for istvaan to see this thread thought frgates was caldari tech, aka kessies Linkage Originally by: "Chronicle" The drones reversed the tide of the war and now the Caldari were scrambling to come up with a solution against these new weapons. It didnÆt take them that long - they simply upgraded their fighters a bit, added some shields and extra weapons and called the new vessels frigates. Some extra crew was also needed at first, but then the Caldari obtained capsule technology from the Jovians some years later and could again reduce the crew to one on most frigates. text bolded to point out the key points
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 09:35:00 - [3] Edited by: Sarmaul on 17/05/2006 09:35:35 Originally by: Ithildin @ Sarmaul :: Those fighters in that chronicle were solo-fighters. Carrier fighters are far from solo-fighters. It's much like the WW2 with german versus british fighters, and in this case the british are Gallente. It didn't go too well for the british until they realized that flying solo just didn't work out for them. So frigates, and heavy fighters, are Caldari engineering (well... not frigates. That's Jove engineering, but...). As for fighters, it's a common doctrine to have, but one can only assume it was developed for space warfare during the time the Caldari were part of the Federation and as such can't be attributed neither the Gallente nor the Caldari. In other words, Fighters as such are race-less when it comes to specialization. Gallente are the ones who've taken carriers (especially drone carriers) further. I'm sorry, but you're wrong. The only reason I can think of that CCP decided to go against the backstory was because it was easier than having all the gallente idiots (not including you in this) moaning that their ships didn't get bonuses to fighters, dispite it clearly stating in the back story that gallente had nothing to do with fighters (besides one horribly failed attempt) and instead developed the drone technology by combining mines with AI (and a few bells and whistles obviously). The drones were a counter to fighters, not a replacement. Secondly, CCP have stated in the past that fighters are one-man crafts with the capsule technology stripped out and a single fighter pilot's*****pit put in instead (which is clearly visible of you zoom in on the ship model). I'm not sure where your getting the information from that any form of fighter exists that has more than 1 person as crew. Thirdly, frigates are not Jove technology. Frigates are the evolution of fighters. When the fighters were upgraded with extra guns and armour they became frigates and needed some extra crew (note that this is not fighters with more crew, but frigates). When the caldari got the capsule technology from the Jove, they integrated it with the frigate technology to create today's modern one-man pod-piloted frigates. Gallente-Caldari War: The War Drones On is the backstory article. Go read it and come to some new conclusions :)
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 09:48:00 - [4] I feel like such a nerf arguing over the backstory :/ Originally by: Ithildin But would you mind Caldari then handing over the Scorpion to us? :p I thought everyone knew the caldari modified the guristas' rattlesnake design to make the scorpion
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:40:00 - [5] Originally by: Ithildin Actually, Digi, fighters are very different from drones: they don't recieve bonuses from some of the drone skills and they also haven't figured out that you can MWD back to the host ship when it wants you to return and orbit/dock. Wow... We've got something that's stupider than NPCs and even more stupid than drones! But yes, I keep calling them "drones", and there's a reason for it. They are drones with better models. they are computer controlled ships, much like drones and pirate npcs are
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:42:00 - [6] Edited by: Sarmaul on 17/05/2006 10:42:19 Originally by: DigitalCommunist Fighters don't get a bonus from Drone Durability? Isn't that like, the only drone where 5% more hp actually means something? :\| the only skill that effects fighters in the drones catagory is the fighters skill itself :/ edit: I'm sure CCP will be adding fighter navigation, fighter durability and a whole host of other skills to grind out in the near future though, so don't worry about it
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:45:00 - [7] if you say so
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:48:00 - [8] Originally by: Chronus26 Can you imagine a Phoenix tanking with a full crystal set? no, because crystals don't effect capital shield boosters (dev confirmed). afaik the rest all work.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:12:00 - [9] Originally by: bUBbLeS Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Chronus26 Can you imagine a Phoenix tanking with a full crystal set? no, because crystals don't effect capital shield boosters (dev confirmed). afaik the rest all work. which is SOOO unfair :P would make a minnie caldarii carrier able to stand toe to toe with a gal one. (me giggles and eats more cAKe) no, what's not fair is that I can't tank and gank my naglfar (when I can fly the damn thing) without running out of CPU. might have to start a new petition so I can do capital booster, boost amp, 3 hardeners and 6 damage mods
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Noriath Originally by: Sarmaul the only skill that effects fighters in the drones catagory is the fighters skill itself :/ edit: I'm sure CCP will be adding fighter navigation, fighter durability and a whole host of other skills to grind out in the near future though, so don't worry about it This is horrible!! So basicly you're telling me that I have 7 million skillpoints in drones for nothing, because the only drones that ever were worth someones time are fighters, and fighters acctually get no bonuses from drone skills? Great, just great... Man I love how CCP always finds another way to screw drone users in the you know where. that's because fighters aren't drones ;)
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 13:18:00 - [11] how to make the minmatar one useful with one simple bonus: 99% reduction in CPU need for Gjallarhorn
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 13:48:00 - [12] I still say 99% reduction in CPU need for Gjallarhorn for the minny carrier tbh
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 15:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Weirda Originally by: Sarmaul I still say 99% reduction in CPU need for Gjallarhorn for the minny carrier tbh /signed <3

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