Id be interested to hear both sides of this discussion.

Did you REALLY have to do this????

What if there were a Free2Play option but you could only make a character with a certain amount of SP, limited skill choice and permadeath?

... but the rewards in this completely 100% safe area were reduced to 1% or less of current Highsec levels?

Would you rather I... necroed 4000 threads?

What if there were a Free2Play option but you could only make a character with a certain amount of SP, limited skill choice and permadeath?

Interesting. So people would rather have permadeath than a unprofitable 100% safe highsec?!!!?!??

Interesting. So people would rather have permadeath than a unprofitable 100% safe highsec?!!!?!??

Tsk Tsk

*wags finger at Unsuccessful.

You know better than that. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Hey. You know better than this. Repent and say 20 Mail Harrys.

Part of eve's biggest appeal is you are never really safe, ever. Its what makes eve's even boring aspects exciting. The risk is what gives humans the most thrill.

What if there were a Free2Play option but you could only make a character with a certain amount of SP, limited skill choice and permadeath?

Interesting. So people would rather have permadeath than a unprofitable 100% safe highsec?!!!?!??

Interesting. So people would rather have permadeath than a unprofitable 100% safe highsec?!!!?!??

So people would rather have permadeath

Actually, I would really like to see player-induced perma death (outside of biomassing and csm instigated bans) in some form.

Actually, I would really like to see player-induced perma death (outside of biomassing and csm instigated bans) in some form.

What if highsec was made 100% safe... but the rewards in this completely 100% safe area were reduced to 1% or less of current Highsec levels?

SHAME ON YOU UAE!

Sorry, keyboard got Muffinjacked. What did he do now?

I'm talking about low sec pirate corps who can field 25 man + gate camps and fleets, wtf are they doing why not grab some SOV or do something more constructive?

For the record, I would totally play a permadeath character in eve. Ganking would be much more fun knowing that that maller on the station actually matters.

It would be kind of cool, a "live fast die young" option. Maybe even have players who are "non capsuleers" meaning at best you can fly a frigate.

But that's practically a whole new game.

What if threads like this, over night, stopped being made, forever?

stuff

Would you rather I... necroed 4000 threads?

As a relatively new player (I've been playing for less than a year), I don't really get what the big problem is .

A lot of you seasoned pros seem ticked off about high-sec, and as a high-sec player, it kind of ticks me off to see.

Some of you guys seem upset that the rewards in high security space are too great, and I can understand that, I guess.

...But most of you just sound like bitter haters.

If you're already established in the game, then who cares about where the majority of the population spends their time?

If all you care about is getting blown up, then there are enough players in null sec, or low sec who can make that happen for you.

I don't really think these discussions about changing things in high sec really help, because experienced players seem to all have the same opinion ("Eve is hard. In Eve you die often. It's the game. Get used to it. Blah blah blah").

If certain players (like myself) are okay with playing the game with little risk and small rewards, then that's our business... But reducing our rewards to nothing (and don't tell me that 1% isn't nothing... Because it basically is) is lame, and will only cause more problems than it could ever solve.

Leave us carebears alone .

But even knowing that they are never really going to be safe, they still sub, and then cry for 100% safety (but still have 100 to 1000% of the rewards).

As a relatively new player (I've been playing for less than a year), I don't really get what the big problem is .

A lot of you seasoned pros seem ticked off about high-sec, and as a high-sec player, it kind of ticks me off to see.

Some of you guys seem upset that the rewards in high security space are too great, and I can understand that, I guess.

...But most of you just sound like bitter haters.

If you're already established in the game, then who cares about where the majority of the population spends their time?

If all you care about is getting blown up, then there are enough players in null sec, or low sec who can make that happen for you.

I don't really think these discussions about changing things in high sec really help, because experienced players seem to all have the same opinion ("Eve is hard. In Eve you die often. It's the game. Get used to it. Blah blah blah").

If certain players (like myself) are okay with playing the game with little risk and small rewards, then that's our business... But reducing our rewards to nothing (and don't tell me that 1% isn't nothing... Because it basically is) is lame, and will only cause more problems than it could ever solve.

Leave us carebears alone .

What would be more interesting would be to completely remove null-sec, no more timers, no ego wars, no need for null-sec folk to cry poverty all the time, and above all, no way or need to fight for or hold sov.

Make hi-sec much smaller and turn all of null into lo-sec.

It will never happen, but I think it would greatly improve the game.

EvE is dying...

What would be more interesting would be to completely remove null-sec, no more timers, no ego wars, no need for null-sec folk to cry poverty all the time, and above all, no way or need to fight for or hold sov.

Make hi-sec much smaller and turn all of null into lo-sec.

It will never happen, but I think it would greatly improve the game.

... but the rewards in this completely 100% safe area were reduced to 1% or less of current Highsec levels?

Im talking about tutorial/level 1 missions only, belts with only 1 or 2 small veldspar rocks(unless spawned in Lvl 1 mining missions) and icefields eliminated, stations with few or no slots for research/manufacturing and no POSes able to be anchored.

This would make highsec/safesec akin to the WoW forest/ 1SP boars model like the majority of highseccers want.

What would the consequences be? Would highsec still be as populated as it is now? Would people choose to have some risk to receive ANY kind of reward at all? Or would people STILL not be happy because they cannot have their cake (eventhough its a lie) and eat it too? What if access to this space was only available for the 1st month or trial/sub?

Id be interested to hear both sides of this discussion.

It appears that Permadeath is preferred over unprofitable 100% safe highsec, but would the risk-adverse players accept permadeath without a safe area?

It appears that Permadeath is preferred over unprofitable 100% safe highsec, but would the risk-adverse players accept permadeath without a safe area?

looks like someone keeps getting bubbled when they try to go mining in null...

No sane person should want to remain in them.

That could explain why in Duripant there is a 3 year old guy mining in hulk :)

I think this is about players who still think highsec is not safe enough, because you can get ganked (and bumped, apparently). Those who don't want to have little risk, but no risk. Those who complain and want to change highsec themselves, make it 100% safe, but still get the same rewards.
The OP is proposing that in that case the rewards should be severely reduced as well.

If you think highsec is fine as it is, then nobody here said anything about taking away your rewards.

... but the rewards in this completely 100% safe area were reduced to 1% or less of current Highsec levels?

Im talking about tutorial/level 1 missions only, belts with only 1 or 2 small veldspar rocks(unless spawned in Lvl 1 mining missions) and icefields eliminated, stations with few or no slots for research/manufacturing and no POSes able to be anchored. The rewards for this part of space would be the above..plus 100% safety (how would you quantify that?)

This would make highsec/safesec akin to the WoW forest/ 1SP boars model like the majority of highseccers want.

What would the consequences be? Would highsec still be as populated as it is now? Would people choose to have some risk to receive ANY kind of reward at all? Or would people STILL not be happy because they cannot have their cake (eventhough its a lie) and eat it too? What if access to this space was only available for the 1st month or trial/sub?

Id be interested to hear both sides of this discussion.

It appears that Permadeath is preferred over unprofitable 100% safe highsec, but would the risk-adverse players accept permadeath without a safe area?

Edit: OP modified to reflect good points being made.

Editted OP to reflect that 100% Safety is PART OF THE REWARD. In my opinion, 100% safety would entail 99% of the rewards for this space, but that can be up for discussion as well.

The lack of natural resources could also be explained through lore, as the empires have had centuries to mine out their systems and deplete the pirate presence in their space, and the NPCs who live in the stations are using up the majority of the slots.

What im saying is that ABSOLUTE SAFETY IS ITS OWN REWARD.

So basically make Highsec have no rewards (you said remove 99%) and let new players come in and fly around empty systems where you cant make any isk.

This thread is more boring than anticipated.