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Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.17 09:53:00 - [1] OK, so this is totally the wrong place for a 'Im quitting' post, but since this forum has been my home for a good year or more now I figured it was fitting. I've decided that I've had enough of playing Eve - the lack of balance, the lack of fixes for things that need fixing, but most of all, the fact that in order to play the high endgame you need numbers and not skill. Blob warfare is becoming more and more prevalent with certain corps and alliances reaching unstoppable levels not through ability, but through sheer numbers. Is this wrong, or not representative of the way wars are fought? No. Does it make this game fun and interesting? No. Some people enjoy playing the game for solo and small group kills and good fights, but these are few and far between. The majority of the game, when it comes down to it, consists of fights you cannot lose, or fights you cannot win. A lot of people will disagree with this, but please remember it's merely my opinion. Anyway, byebyes to all you ships and module freaks, we've had some good discussions and crunched some good numbers, come up with some good setups and some bad ones. I've enjoyed answering questions and dicussing things in far too much detail a lot, and it's passed many an hour away in work. Thankyou to you all, and fly safe! ~Testy O RLY? ~Account Cancelled~
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.05.17 09:56:00 - [2] You will be very missed. Your insights have been most useful at all times. New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards)
CB Cyrix	Posted - 2006.05.17 09:58:00 - [3] Edited by: CB Cyrix on 17/05/2006 09:59:16 can i have your stuff?
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.05.17 09:59:00 - [4] Sorry to see you go testy, good luck and maybe we will see you back when pvp becomes more interesting
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:00:00 - [5] **** your stuff, can I have your corpse? ~Eximius Josari, Hegemon of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:02:00 - [6] Edited by: Sarmaul on 17/05/2006 10:05:02 you'll be back edit: so are we going to find out who your main(s) are?
Alliaanna Dalaii	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:05:00 - [7] byeeee Your posts will be missed like all Eve players who leave hopefully we will see ya again in a few months p.s. Please deposit all your isk to Typherin Laidai... thankies Alliaanna Official Follower of =-= Royal Hiigaran Navy =-= Make POS's Hackable.. Support this thread !
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:07:00 - [8] k.. bye Spirits in the night! ALLLLL NIGHT!!!
Nafri	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 17/05/2006 10:06:21 you'll be back edit: so are we going to find out who your main(s) are? edit2: aww crap, is there anyone left who still flies minny ships? I feel so lonely edit3: if you have a spare vaga, I'll happily give it a good home At least no only Matari users Summertime - Campingtime!
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:11:00 - [10] meh Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs
Scarlet Pimpernel	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:12:00 - [11] Originally by: CB Cyrix Edited by: CB Cyrix on 17/05/2006 09:59:16 can i have your stuff? Bugger I wanted to be the first to say that
Chronus26	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:17:00 - [12] =( I'll miss reading your views on the great many issues in the game, it has to be said I usually agreed with you. Goodluck and goodnight. -----
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:27:00 - [13] well nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo join soar angelic! or at least bump it
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:27:00 - [14] I'll miss your owl sig :( Fear the Ibis of doom!
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:28:00 - [15] Originally by: CB Cyrix Edited by: CB Cyrix on 17/05/2006 09:59:16 can i have your stuff? Dammit, I forgot to say no in advance :S Quote: you'll be back Never know. But for now, Guild Wars > my willpower. Quote: edit: so are we going to find out who your main(s) are? Like I've said loads of times, no-one that anyone will know :P My main at the moment is Calmdown, my old main was sold the same time I turned to the duct-tape side. Quote: edit3: if you have a spare vaga, I'll happily give it a good home I only own 6. ~Account Cancelled~
Kunming	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:31:00 - [16] Originally by: Testy Mctest OK, so this is totally the wrong place for a 'Im quitting' post, but since this forum has been my home for a good year or more now I figured it was fitting. I've decided that I've had enough of playing Eve - the lack of balance, the lack of fixes for things that need fixing, but most of all, the fact that in order to play the high endgame you need numbers and not skill. Blob warfare is becoming more and more prevalent with certain corps and alliances reaching unstoppable levels not through ability, but through sheer numbers. Is this wrong, or not representative of the way wars are fought? No. Does it make this game fun and interesting? No. Some people enjoy playing the game for solo and small group kills and good fights, but these are few and far between. The majority of the game, when it comes down to it, consists of fights you cannot lose, or fights you cannot win. A lot of people will disagree with this, but please remember it's merely my opinion. Anyway, byebyes to all you ships and module freaks, we've had some good discussions and crunched some good numbers, come up with some good setups and some bad ones. I've enjoyed answering questions and dicussing things in far too much detail a lot, and it's passed many an hour away in work. Thankyou to you all, and fly safe! ~Testy O RLY? Sad to see someone, who gave his fair share of contribution to the Ships & Modules community, leave, but tbh I'm thinking of leaving for the exact same reasons u stated above. I really wished the balance between the races was more like in Starcraft instead of trying to monotonize all of them. About blob warfare.. yeah its gonna kill the game in the long run as its simply not fun for neither side.
Chronus26	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:32:00 - [17] Edited by: Chronus26 on 17/05/2006 10:32:41 Originally by: Testy Mctest Like I've said loads of times, no-one that anyone will know :P My main at the moment is Calmdown, my old main was sold the same time I turned to the duct-tape side. I know that name, I can't for the life of me remeber where from but I have a feeling it wasn't a good thing. -----
inSpirAcy	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:33:00 - [18] Out of interest, have you got any other games lined up?
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:34:00 - [19] Originally by: Testy Mctest Quote: edit: so are we going to find out who your main(s) are? Like I've said loads of times, no-one that anyone will know :P My main at the moment is Calmdown, my old main was sold the same time I turned to the duct-tape side. I figured you'd joined fear of chickens from your blog but I couldn't work out which corp :) Originally by: Testy Mctest Quote: edit3: if you have a spare vaga, I'll happily give it a good home I only own 6. oh you bastard!!! I demand at least 3 for abandoning me here in ships and mods
Chronus26	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Sarmaul oh you bastard!!! I demand at least 3 for abandoning me here in ships and mods I'll be your new friend. -----
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:36:00 - [21] Edited by: Sarmaul on 17/05/2006 10:43:40 Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Sarmaul oh you bastard!!! I demand at least 3 for abandoning me here in ships and mods I'll be your new friend. vagas first, friendship later edit: anyway, I'm gonna stop trolling your thread now :)
Omatje	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:48:00 - [22] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Sarmaul edit2: aww crap, is there anyone left who still flies minny ships? I feel so lonely [:cry: At least no only Matari users Still only Minnie ships/guns here Sig removed, please keep it below 24000 bytes etc.. - Xorus In the rerun...
Hugh Ruka	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:54:00 - [23] oh, well I learned much from you on these forums thanks for the advices (intended or not) and some discussions. I guess you'll be back in 3 months or so :-)) gl and most important have fun ------------------------------ if you want peace, prepare for war ... ------------------------------ Removed due to offensive content - Laqum I realy liked my signature. Oh well
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:02:00 - [24] "Never know. But for now, Guild Wars > my willpower." Ahh, Guild Wars. That won't be a long departure, then -.^
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Sarmaul oh you bastard!!! I demand at least 3 for abandoning me here in ships and mods Pfft, not 2 months ago you abandoned me too. So see you in two months I guess! Haha :P ~Account Cancelled~
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Sarmaul oh you bastard!!! I demand at least 3 for abandoning me here in ships and mods Pfft, not 2 months ago you abandoned me too. So see you in two months I guess! Haha :P it was only for 48 hours
Forsch	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:07:00 - [27] Yes, blob warfare is boring. I also prefer small skirmish warfare. And there are people around that do those. But the chance is probably smaller in the big 0.0 alliances. Anyway, I doubt you'll find better support and balancing in another game. Unless you plan on quitting online games at all. That being said, you've been one of the funny ones here. Ship and modules freaks.. hehe I like that. Take care Testy. And be sure to let us know if you're ba... nevermind, we'll notice. Good luck whatever you do! ...did I just say that out loud? No Quitting! Get back to work slave! pulls out whip Forsch Defender of the empire More love for side factions!
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:29:00 - [28] Originally by: j0sephine "Never know. But for now, Guild Wars > my willpower." Ahh, Guild Wars. That won't be a long departure, then -.^ I dunno, there's a lot to be said for a game where skill, tactics and build play a large part. Not many games have all three in such good measures. And if I get bored, there's always Auto Assault ^^ Originally by: Forsch Good luck whatever you do! ...did I just say that out loud? Love you too mate :P ~Account Cancelled~
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:36:00 - [29] Edited by: j0sephine on 17/05/2006 11:37:05 "I dunno, there's a lot to be said for a game where skill, tactics and build play a large part. Not many games have all three in such good measures." I didn't mean GW is a bad game, or anything... it's just, it goes so far in its attempt to make it a streamlined, "fair" and in the long run rather pointless experience ... that it's like CS or similar online shooters -- a lot of fun, but in small doses. Which means if one plays it, they're given to put it on hold sooner rather than later ^^ (and Auto Assault? eeeew...
Ebedar	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:53:00 - [30] Good luck, hopefully you'll be back soon. TBH I share several of the opinions you espoused in the initial post - especially about the swing towards blob combat - and that's the reason I no longer PvP. Having said that, I live in hope that balance will come and I try to contribute to that by testing on Sisi, making appropriate suggestions and such. I'm sure you've done that yourself and perhaps a break away will motivate you to come back and try to poke the devs some more While I appreciate that changes in this game often happen at a snail's pace it is worth bearing in mind one thing - they do, at least, change. Therein lies hope. Intel for sale My bio (part 3)
d'hofren	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:08:00 - [31] Cya Testy. Thanks for standing up and shouting for us idiots who still insist on training minmatar. Do we have to elect a new projectiles spokesperson now? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Galactic Exploration and Mining - Web and T II Shop (Including Cerbs)
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:10:00 - [32] Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 17/05/2006 12:10:35 Another Minmatar whiner quits, this day is actually turning out to be quite a good one. Pain is meant to be felt
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:13:00 - [33] Originally by: d'hofren Cya Testy. Thanks for standing up and shouting for us idiots who still insist on training minmatar. Do we have to elect a new projectiles spokesperson now? I vote Sarmaul. ~Account Cancelled~
Tsual	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:30:00 - [34] Originally by: d'hofren Cya Testy. Thanks for standing up and shouting for us idiots who still insist on training minmatar. Do we have to elect a new projectiles spokesperson now? Sarmaul seems to be quite able. ******************** Those without a tribe can only keep their word.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:37:00 - [35] aww crap I have to finish the arti thread now :/
Yzman Shhan	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:55:00 - [36] Originally by: Sarmaul aww crap I have to finish the arti thread now :/ Well I've waited for that thread for ages now so get yer ass working on it --
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:56:00 - [37] Edited by: Sarmaul on 17/05/2006 12:57:12 Originally by: Yzman Shhan Originally by: Sarmaul aww crap I have to finish the arti thread now :/ Well I've waited for that thread for ages now so get yer ass working on it everytime I nearly finish it tux goes and gives something else a bonus and lol @ testy's new sig
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.17 13:13:00 - [38] Originally by: Sarmaul and lol @ testy's new sig Ya rly! And also, get the arty thread going, my subscription expires in like a week or so I think so I have some time left to stick my oar in!
Tsual	Posted - 2006.05.17 14:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 17/05/2006 12:57:12 Originally by: Yzman Shhan Originally by: Sarmaul aww crap I have to finish the arti thread now :/ Well I've waited for that thread for ages now so get yer ass working on it everytime I nearly finish it tux goes and gives something else a bonus and lol @ testy's new sig I'm on the way to eventually back you up with some extensive dot analysis over all ammo/turret types. Taking in count things like cap size/cap need, clip sice/ammo size, effective damage field (optimal +/- falloff), rof, reload - overall I'm so going to beat naughty's graphs with that. [ So far it seems the mean pre modified damage for charge group against unhardenerd t1 ship is: small projectile ammo: shield: 5.2; mean armor damage: 7.06 [amarrian armor: 6.93; caldari armor: 7.16; gallente armor: 6.96; minmatar armor: 7.19] (M = S2, L= S4, XL= S8) small hybrids charges:* shield: 5.49; mean armor damage: 6.64 [amarrian armor: 6.89; caldari armor: 6.48; gallente armor: 6.31; minmatar armor: 6.89] (M = S2, L= S4, XL= S8) small frequency crystals:shield: 9.06; mean armor damage: 4.47 [amarrian armor: 4.71; caldari armor: 4.38; gallente armor: 4.71; minmatar armor: 4.06] (M = S2, L= S4, XL= S8) But I still need to do a sort of bigger comparison. ] ******************** Those without a tribe can only keep their word.
inSpirAcy	Posted - 2006.05.17 14:14:00 - [40] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Another Minmatar whiner quits, this day is actually turning out to be quite a good one. Don't worry, I've got Minny Cruiser 4 cooking right now.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 14:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Tsual and then you'll want to compare the comparisons, and take into account more ammo, more guns, more ship setups and more variables until it becomes such a mess that you don't even want to open the folder you were working in. welcome to the world of the arti thread :)
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.17 16:35:00 - [42] Originally by: Tsual I'm on the way to eventually back you up with some extensive dot analysis over all ammo/turret types. I highly recommend using Naughty Boy's spreadsheets already if you havent got them. They do every kind of relevant DoT analysis you'll ever need.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.17 16:46:00 - [43] Bye mate. But i think you'll be back after a while when you hear about some cool new update. Nobody leaves this game forever. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.05.17 16:49:00 - [44] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 17/05/2006 16:49:48 Farewell, Testy. Also, I'll have to disagree just because. Agreeing is overrated anyway. Originally by: Sarmaul and then you'll want to compare the comparisons, and take into account more ammo, more guns, more ship setups and more variables until it becomes such a mess that you don't even want to open the folder you were working in. Then, when you eventually get to write and post something, someone will tell you that you are biased, just to get you change it all once more and add twice the amount of graphs, three times as many calculations... fun, fun. NB.
Reatu Krentor	Posted - 2006.05.17 17:01:00 - [45] Edited by: Reatu Krentor on 17/05/2006 17:02:13 so who's going to keep my pest in working order now? Sarmaul? O RLY? YA RLY. ps. only other race I've trained is gallente and that's just the ship skill for the mach(though i'm considering getting hybrids ...) (edit: addendum below) Originally by: Juan Andalusian Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 17/05/2006 12:10:35 Another Minmatar whiner quits, this day is actually turning out to be quite a good one. gee, thanks for the symphaty - phew! dodged the mods on this sig!
Xori Ruscuv	Posted - 2006.05.17 17:07:00 - [46] Hey Testy - you'll be missed, mate! One less person on the forums who understands balance now I have been thinking about training Minmatar a lot lately. If I do, I'll be sure to name a Minnie ship in your honor. Gotcha! I bet that got ya all hot under the collar, didn't it?
SasRipper	Posted - 2006.05.17 17:35:00 - [47] another person lost to the blob o/ and you will be back my guess is in 3 months at most. they sent the gank squad after my sig
Draycar Hazaran	Posted - 2006.05.17 18:19:00 - [48] Faithful Testy and Sarmaul thread lurker here. We're running out of Matari advocates...I think we're doomed. Best of luck Testy.
Caldar Rion	Posted - 2006.05.17 18:44:00 - [49] Indeed, a sad day. I was dissapointed when Sarmaul quit as well, although that was only temporary. Then again, DC is making posts now with more facts and less rhetoric.. perhaps a sign of the apocalypse? Enjoy your time away, come back soon Testy.
Weirda	Posted - 2006.05.17 18:52:00 - [50] you will be back - lest weirda find someone else to bicker with (maya is so boring) seriously, maybe when you come back you can post with you main, weirda really hate having a caldari alt as one of the self appointed spokeperson for matari. you frustrations are very similar to weirdas with things... have found though that by moving around the map and giving self different thing to do (still pvp - but different goal/objective) have been able to keep eve fun and happy enough and will continue to do so. there ARE a lot of places in map that you do not encounter what you have problem with in such a sheer desparity. either way - see you in space (eventually). and samurel - testy promised weirda at least 2 of those vagabond long ago... go ahead and put them up on escrow for weirda (make sure you don't do WeirdAss - that name pop up too and it is not Weirda). g/l in life! __ Weirda Assault Ship deserve a 4th Bonus and More!
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 18:54:00 - [51] Edited by: Sarmaul on 17/05/2006 18:53:53 50/50 on the vagas? edit: I even changed my sig for it :/
Montero	Posted - 2006.05.17 18:56:00 - [52] i give it a month. 2 tops..
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2006.05.17 18:58:00 - [53] ull be missed dude, one less argueing for the trashcan faction. not many left i fear but good luck and i hope ull be back to crouch the numbers for our cause whenever i fail to see a "nerf minmatar" thread and godspeed in guildwars.
Merv Tring	Posted - 2006.05.17 21:11:00 - [54] Definitely Sarmaul for primary Projectile proponent! Also, you'll be back. Weeks, months, perhaps a year. But you'll be back
Ometoch	Posted - 2006.05.17 21:37:00 - [55] Edited by: Ometoch on 17/05/2006 21:38:08 Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 17/05/2006 10:06:21 edit2: aww crap, is there anyone left who still flies minny ships? I feel so lonely You know, I never realized until I started reading through here that there were so few Minny pilots. I for one only flay Minmatar, and suffer through all the imbalances, etc... I too will be sorry to see Testy go... I don't post much, since I never have anything intelligent to say, but for this, I will come out from under my bridge. As for you Sarmaul, I also think you would be a great spokesperson for the Matari Ships. I always know that when I get a new ship, or want to try out a new fit, your setups are always good, and also get me thinking along the best lines for those ships. Just my .02 iskies. *Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things.*
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 21:40:00 - [56] I think we should have an erection tbh
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.21 15:22:00 - [57] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Hey Testy - you'll be missed, mate! One less person on the forums who understands balance now I have been thinking about training Minmatar a lot lately. If I do, I'll be sure to name a Minnie ship in your honor. Wow. That actually brought a tear to my eye. I do have some spare Muninns guys, will they do? :P:P:P
Yual	Posted - 2006.05.21 15:34:00 - [58] Since I have yet to fly a vaga and (apparently) get disgusted with the munin I'd love to take those off your hands. ----------------------------------- Minmatar Pilot - Keep smacking, I'm reloading
Elaron	Posted - 2006.05.21 15:51:00 - [59] As a long time lurker in balance posts, and a pure Minmatar pilot to boot, I'm sorry to see you go. As one of a few pilots who sees the challenges and problems with flying the ships and using the weapons, and is able to take that insight and build solid arguments around it, you've made some fantastic contributions. Good luck, have fun, and we'll see you back in in a few months no doubt Elaron It is never too late to correct the mistakes of the past.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.21 17:08:00 - [60] Originally by: Ometoch I for one only flay Minmatar Wasn't that outlawed in the middle ages?
Leshrac Shepherd	Posted - 2006.05.21 17:14:00 - [61] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Ometoch I for one only flay Minmatar Wasn't that outlawed in the middle ages? I'm in the same boat, I am minmatar specialized and only fly minmatar. ---------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Ernest Graefenberg	Posted - 2006.05.21 18:53:00 - [62] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Ometoch I for one only flay Minmatar Wasn't that outlawed in the middle ages? Only getting caught was.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.21 19:50:00 - [63] You will be missed from my side. Maybe we didn't always agree, sometimes it ended in flames, however mostly it was constructive and working towards balancing/fixing things. Die, die, die.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.21 19:52:00 - [64] Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Ometoch I for one only flay Minmatar Wasn't that outlawed in the middle ages? I'm in the same boat, I am minmatar specialized and only fly minmatar. You liar... i know you can fly gallente and caldari bs... Die, die, die.
Leshrac Shepherd	Posted - 2006.05.21 20:45:00 - [65] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Ometoch I for one only flay Minmatar Wasn't that outlawed in the middle ages? I'm in the same boat, I am minmatar specialized and only fly minmatar. You liar... i know you can fly gallente and caldari bs... Yes, I have amarr frigate lvl3, Gallente BS lvl 2 and caldari BS lvl 2. I don't know how this make me a liar. ---------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.05.21 21:12:00 - [66] I pitty the poor owners of minmatar related t2 BPOs. Thats at least 15% of the demand gone .. Sad to see you go though ... Guild Wars ... i hope you dont do all those pve missions, thats maybe the only thing out there worse then Eve pve ;)
Asuzke Mitsugi	Posted - 2006.05.21 21:50:00 - [67] Your are quitting EVE for Guild Wars... you need a head check. You will be back... that is for sure.

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