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Hevymetal
POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:27:00 -
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Not that I am advocating it, because I am not. But what if CCP said "Enough" we have RMT under control, we need more influx of cash and we are tired of dealing with the additional hassles that PLEX create.
No more playing without paying. AUR, resculpting and transfers are only availanle through cash payments.
What would the ramifications be?
Other then forum threadnaughts and an initial decrease in the active players.
Would CCP actually make more money in the end? Would the playerbase be reduced by 20% or more? How would it effect you? |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
725
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:27:00 -
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Not possible.
Yes, that's my response. They simply can't get rid of it, because it's too tied into the game.
And yes, they'd lose quite a few subs, but not all of them would be a loss. "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2963
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:28:00 -
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Every PLEX is paid for. CCP is not losing money from PLEXes, quite the opposite. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5262
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:28:00 -
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In before lock. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3296
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:33:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Every PLEX is paid for. CCP is not losing money from PLEXes, quite the opposite. This. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1674
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:34:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:In before lock.
Not empty quoting. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |

Zenos Ebeth
DEAD JESTERS The Harlequin's
143
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:34:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Every PLEX is paid for. CCP is not losing money from PLEXes, quite the opposite.
This , also since 1 plex is more expensive than 1 month sub CCP are making more money off people who pay with plex ( indirectly ) then those who have a sub. Bad posts are not welcome on these forums.-á -CCP Falcon
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
128
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:35:00 -
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Not sure if serious. I hope not... |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:35:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:But what if CCP said "Enough" we have RMT under control, we need more influx of cash and we are tired of dealing with the additional hassles that PLEX create. RMT, almost by definition, is never under control. PLEX does not reduce the influx of cash. The hassles only bother accountants, and no-one cares about them.
Quote:No more playing without paying. AUR, resculpting and transfers are only availanle through cash payments. What would the ramifications be? CCP makes less money; people quit because they have to grind, so CCP makes even less money; RMT, with all the problems it creates, increases so CCP makes less money. Also, the velocity of ISK slows down significantly and the market becomes inefficient.
It would have a huge amount of negative effects and no positive ones. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
726
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:38:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Every PLEX is paid for. CCP is not losing money from PLEXes, quite the opposite. This. Seeing your signature...
I think I once ganked an alt of the guy who runs bulk trade. He had the same letters and numbers like him, but I don't recall it anymore.
I ganked his frig or noobship and his pod, because he was afk at the gate.
Let me tell you, that guy is nuts. He didn't actually lose anything of value, but he got so butthurt as if I had entered his house and stole the virginity of his barely legal daughter.
I've heard a lot about this guy and the summary pretty much is that he's a douche, ****, dork, donk and doofus.
I'm glad there are alternatives like yours. "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Hevymetal
POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance
290
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:38:00 -
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Zenos Ebeth wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Every PLEX is paid for. CCP is not losing money from PLEXes, quite the opposite. This , also since 1 plex is more expensive than 1 month sub CCP are making more money off people who pay with plex ( indirectly ) then those who have a sub.
I agree entirely, the question was asked of me and it made me ponder a response (My response was they make more off of PLEXs, they wouldn't get rid of them) and he asked again "What if they did?". That is why I asked it here, to see how other would have responded.
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Gregor Parud
458
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:39:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:Not that I am advocating it, because I am not. But what if CCP said "Enough" we have RMT under control, we need more influx of cash and we are tired of dealing with the additional hassles that PLEX create.
No more playing without paying. AUR, resculpting and transfers are only availanle through cash payments.
What would the ramifications be?
Other then forum threadnaughts and an initial decrease in the active players.
Would CCP actually make more money in the end? Would the playerbase be reduced by 20% or more? How would it effect you?
You obviously don't have the faintest idea on how plex works. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5263
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:40:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:In before lock.
Why did the OP like this post? Seriously. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
610
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:45:00 -
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CCP needs to eliminate PLEX, it's a stupid useless item that can be easily replaced with the already existing Aurum system. Buy gametime with Aurum tokens instead of a specific PLEX item. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |

Hevymetal
POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance
290
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:47:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:In before lock. Why did the OP like this post? Seriously.
Cause it made me chuckle.
I posted a legitimate question to see how others would have answered and maybe be enlightened myself about some facet of the whole PLEX model i may have been unaware of.
It made me laugh at the fact you took the time and effort to actually post in the thread, but posted nothing constructtiive, other then the fact you increased your post count by 1 you accomplished nothing.
EDIT Oh yeah I liked your above post as well cause of the same reasons. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21163
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:47:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:CCP needs to eliminate PLEX, it's a stupid useless item that can be easily replaced with the already existing Aurum system. Buy gametime with Aurum tokens instead of a specific PLEX item. You got the two backwards. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5265
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:49:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:In before lock. Why did the OP like this post? Seriously. Cause it made me chuckle. I posted a legitimate question to see how others would have answered and maybe be enlightened myself about some facet of the whole PLEX model i may have been unaware of. It made me laugh at the fact you took the time and effort to actually post in the thread, but posted nothing constructtiive, other then the fact you increased your post count by 1 you accomplished nothing. EDIT Oh yeah I liked your above post as well cause of the same reasons.
Ah, see, I just assumed you were trolling. This thread seemed like pretty obvious flamebait. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Hevymetal
POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance
290
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:52:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Hevymetal wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:In before lock. Why did the OP like this post? Seriously. Cause it made me chuckle. I posted a legitimate question to see how others would have answered and maybe be enlightened myself about some facet of the whole PLEX model i may have been unaware of. It made me laugh at the fact you took the time and effort to actually post in the thread, but posted nothing constructtiive, other then the fact you increased your post count by 1 you accomplished nothing. EDIT Oh yeah I liked your above post as well cause of the same reasons. Ah, see, I just assumed you were trolling. This thread seemed like pretty obvious flamebait.
Not at all. Some of the threads I make are to get other opinions and attempt to gleen some knowledge about things I may not be up to speed on. I avoid trolling, im an adult with too many others things to do, the novelty of that wore off 20 years ago.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
611
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:CCP needs to eliminate PLEX, it's a stupid useless item that can be easily replaced with the already existing Aurum system. Buy gametime with Aurum tokens instead of a specific PLEX item. You got the two backwards.
Not really. Both are currencies at the moment. Except an Aurum token is the equivalent of a one dollar bill and a PLEX is the equivelant of a 20 dollar bill. You can't pay for items that cost a few bucks (like the new ship skins) with a PLEX because there's no such thing as change. But you can pay for gametime with 20 Aurum tokens. If either one has to go, it obviously needs to be the one with bigger value as to facilitate micro transactions. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |

KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1678
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:54:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Hevymetal wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:In before lock. Why did the OP like this post? Seriously. Cause it made me chuckle. I posted a legitimate question to see how others would have answered and maybe be enlightened myself about some facet of the whole PLEX model i may have been unaware of. It made me laugh at the fact you took the time and effort to actually post in the thread, but posted nothing constructtiive, other then the fact you increased your post count by 1 you accomplished nothing. EDIT Oh yeah I liked your above post as well cause of the same reasons. Ah, see, I just assumed you were trolling. This thread seemed like pretty obvious flamebait.
I wasn't assuming you were trolling, OP
Post count. You were right.
vOv
Or could it be that this thread has been ripped apart a thousand different times, in a thousand different threads.
Is Dead being serious or nihilistic?

We may never know.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3298
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:57:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:I agree entirely, the question was asked of me and it made me ponder a response (My response was they make more off of PLEXs, they wouldn't get rid of them) and he asked again "What if they did?". That is why I asked it here, to see how other would have responded. It's a bit of a silly question. Obviously the answer is that they'd lose subs and money. The real question is, why would they ever do such a thing? As they make more money off of PLEX than straight subs, they would never do it, so it's pretty much a moot point. That's like saying "what do you think would happen if they took spaceships out of EVE?". The answer is just "they wouldn't". The "But what if they did" is an obvious and pointless question.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21163
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:59:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Not really. Both are currencies at the moment. Except an Aurum token is the equivalent of a one dollar bill and a PLEX is the equivelant of a 20 dollar bill. You can't pay for items that cost a few bucks (like the new ship skins) with a PLEX because there's no such thing as change. But you can pay for gametime with 20 Aurum tokens. If either one has to go, it obviously needs to be the one with bigger value as to facilitate micro transactions. The difference is that PLEX is actually useful in many ways, whereas AUR was just added to perform a duty that was never really implemented since the primary vehicle for that duty has been thoroughly abandoned. Nothing AUR does needs AUR to do soGÇöit is in every way utterly and completely redundant, pointless, and burdened with not even half-finished and abandoned code. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1680
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Posted - 2014.04.23 13:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Not really. Both are currencies at the moment. Except an Aurum token is the equivalent of a one dollar bill and a PLEX is the equivelant of a 20 dollar bill. You can't pay for items that cost a few bucks (like the new ship skins) with a PLEX because there's no such thing as change. But you can pay for gametime with 20 Aurum tokens. If either one has to go, it obviously needs to be the one with bigger value as to facilitate micro transactions. The difference is that PLEX is actually useful in many ways, whereas AUR was just added to perform a duty that was never really implemented since the primary vehicle for that duty has been thoroughly abandoned. Nothing AUR does needs AUR to do soGÇöit is in every way utterly and completely redundant, pointless, and burdened with not even half-finished and abandoned code.
Certainly, most definitely not empty quoting.
Really serious on this one.
  Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |

Jur Tissant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.04.23 13:45:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote: we need more influx of cash
Well then eliminating PLEX would be rather counter-productive. One month of subscription is cheaper than one PLEX. |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
131
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Posted - 2014.04.23 13:45:00 -
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They would most definetly lose subs.
Consider this extreme example:
Only 10 people play EVE. 5 of these people play all day, the other 5 play an hour a day.
The 5 'casuals' agree to pay for both their own subs and the subs of the 5 'hardcore gamers'. Because they make enough money in RL to afford it and because the hardcore guys give them in-game benefits: for example, they build ships for them.
Suddenly each of the 10 players can only pay for their own sub.
So the 5 'casuals' unsub because they cannot play anymore (no ships).
The 5 'hardcore gamers' unsub too because 15$ a month is a bit too much for them. Also, without the other 5 guys the game is less enjoyable for them.
So nobody plays anymore!
Just an extreme example to point out that PLEX benefits alot of people on 'both sides', and many of those may well not be able to have fun anymore without it. |

Jallukola
30
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:02:00 -
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If only it would be possible, too many alts simply relying on PLEXes. But on the upside, few sad and sorry bunches of nullsec alliances would start to sink, not die but to diminsh. The greatest battle music of all time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67MPxnPHBNk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16RCvtziXj0
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Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
16
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:12:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:Not that I am advocating it, because I am not. But what if CCP said "Enough" we have RMT under control, we need more influx of cash and we are tired of dealing with the additional hassles that PLEX create.
No more playing without paying. AUR, resculpting and transfers are only availanle through cash payments.
What would the ramifications be?
Other then forum threadnaughts and an initial decrease in the active players.
Would CCP actually make more money in the end? Would the playerbase be reduced by 20% or more? How would it effect you?
you do understand that someone actually BUYS PLEX FROM CCP BEFORE IT'S SOLD ON MARKET right?
*thought I should bold that, so many people seem to miss that part. |

Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1876
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:15:00 -
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Considering more money comes in from PLEX then subscriptions, I'd file removing PLEX under the bad category... I hope everyone voted in the CSM elections! Thank you to those who actually supported my campaign! Even if I don't get elected in, I hope that the CSM that do, and Devs actually use my ideas somewhere! |

TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
612
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Not really. Both are currencies at the moment. Except an Aurum token is the equivalent of a one dollar bill and a PLEX is the equivelant of a 20 dollar bill. You can't pay for items that cost a few bucks (like the new ship skins) with a PLEX because there's no such thing as change. But you can pay for gametime with 20 Aurum tokens. If either one has to go, it obviously needs to be the one with bigger value as to facilitate micro transactions. The difference is that PLEX is actually useful in many ways, whereas AUR was just added to perform a duty that was never really implemented since the primary vehicle for that duty has been thoroughly abandoned. Nothing AUR does needs AUR to do soGÇöit is in every way utterly and completely redundant, pointless, and burdened with not even half-finished and abandoned code.
Make no mistake in thinking that PLEX and AUR are two different things. Because they aren't. Both are meant to convert real money into virtual assets.
Dollar > PLEX > Gametime
or
Dollar > Aurum > Gametime
makes absolutely no difference. Not a single. Little. Bit.
Same holds true for anything else PLEX is used for.
Dollar > Aurum > Fanfest Tickets
Dollar > Aurum > Resculpt
Dollar > Aurum > Multiple Character Training
The advantage that Aurum has over PLEX is that it has a smaller value and thus can be used to purchase more/smaller things as opposed to paying with a 15 dollar / 770m PLEX. Just because it currently doesn't see any use doesn't mean that Aurum is worse as a currency than PLEX is. There simply was no reason to use Aurum until the skip skins came along. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
439
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:24:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:I posted a legitimate question to see how others would have answered and maybe be enlightened myself about some facet of the whole PLEX model i may have been unaware of.
The question wasn't legitimate. As for what you may be unaware of... apparently everything.
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