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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21173
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:45:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Make no mistake in thinking that PLEX and AUR are two different things. Because they aren't. Both are meant to convert real money into virtual assets. GǪand that is why AUR is completely pointless. Nothing it does could not already be done through existing means when it was introduced and nothing has been introduced since that gives it any meaning or requires its use. It was implemented to provide content for a part of the game that was abandoned. It was retained to provide an EVE-Dust link that seems to be abandoned. It relies on code that was never finished and that replicated what was already in the game but without any of the pre-existing features.
Quote:Just because it currently doesn't see any use doesn't mean that Aurum is worse as a currency than PLEX is. There simply was no reason to use Aurum until the skip skins came along. There still is no reason to use AUR GÇö the game has two and a half currencies as it is, two of which are trivially transferrable and one that could be made transferrable just as trivially if they chose to. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
745
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:48:00 -
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I agree with Tippia.
She's smart and I have nothing else to add.
Tbh, there's no point.
We should all just always agree with Tippia.
That'd be hilarious! xD "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Tarpedo
Incursionista
1328
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Posted - 2014.04.23 15:00:00 -
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Game will lose 20-25% of accounts.
I've tried to calculate amount of PLEXes in circulation and it look like CCP is getting from 20 to 33% of their income from PLEX sales. Basically removing PLEX will cost CCP from 10 to 25 millions USD per year and will make company un-profitable. |

Grendell
Technologies Unlimited Superior Eve Engineering
868
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Posted - 2014.04.23 15:07:00 -
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If they got rid of PLEXing I'd go from 11 accounts down to 1 or 2
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Viserys Anstian
Wayward Chickens
6
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Posted - 2014.04.23 15:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:CCP makes less money; people quit because they have to grind, so CCP makes even less money; RMT, with all the problems it creates, increases so CCP makes less money. Also, the velocity of ISK slows down significantly and the market becomes inefficient.
It would have a huge amount of negative effects and no positive ones.
I agree with this...
it would drive casual players out, who buy PLEX to get ISK so we don't have to spend our precious time grinding on rocks or moving rocks just to stay relevant.
Remember, CCP is making more money off PLEX then they were with subscriptions most likely. A monthly Sub is $15, and PLEX is $20. If I spend $20 to buy a PLEX, I'm basically exchanging my $20 (less than an hour of work) for someone elses 10-20 hours of gaming.
People really don't understand the basic concept of PLEX. Its not a 'free to play' concept. It's a "freedom from grinding ISK" concept for casuals. I tried Indy. I liked it but don't have the time to dedicate to truly make it work. Plus I deal with spreadsheets and profit loss enough at my real job, I want to pew pew things at home. PLEX allows people like me to easily and in a legitimate way to pay someone else to grind my ISK for me.
It's not really inflationary. It's not like CCP is allowing me to buy ISK straight up. Its not like they are just injecting 500M isk into the market when I buy a PLEX. That would be inflationary in practice. Instead they are just selling me a commodity that someone else desires and will pay ISK for. If I didn't use the iSK to buy a ship, they probably would and I'd still just be poor, broke, and hoping around the galaxy in my beginner frigate.
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Gregor Parud
459
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Posted - 2014.04.23 15:57:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:In before lock. Why did the OP like this post? Seriously. Cause it made me chuckle. I posted a legitimate question to see how others would have answered and maybe be enlightened myself about some facet of the whole PLEX model i may have been unaware of. It made me laugh at the fact you took the time and effort to actually post in the thread, but posted nothing constructtiive, other then the fact you increased your post count by 1 you accomplished nothing. EDIT Oh yeah I liked your above post as well cause of the same reasons.
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1177
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:15:00 -
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Neighborhood robberies would triple, as all the basement dwellers would need actual money to play....
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |

Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:18:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:Not that I am advocating it, because I am not. But what if CCP said "Enough" we have RMT under control, we need more influx of cash and we are tired of dealing with the additional hassles that PLEX create.
No more playing without paying. AUR, resculpting and transfers are only availanle through cash payments.
What would the ramifications be?
Other then forum threadnaughts and an initial decrease in the active players.
Would CCP actually make more money in the end? Would the playerbase be reduced by 20% or more? How would it effect you?
I think they would lose a lot of money.
Because i am pretty sure i would end one of my subscriptions if i had to pay real money for my accounts. I have three, and am paying with plex for two of them, so i would probably move the high sp char on one account to one of my other accounts and end that account. So from 3 paying accounts i would go to 2. Oh, and i would transfer the stuff as well. My stuff!
And a lot of people would do just that.
End EVE would be dying!
*Snip* Removed trolling part of the post. ISD Ezwal. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3299
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:19:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Every PLEX is paid for. CCP is not losing money from PLEXes, quite the opposite. This. Seeing your signature... I think I once ganked an alt of the guy who runs bulk trade. He had the same letters and numbers like him, but I don't recall it anymore. I ganked his frig or noobship and his pod, because he was afk at the gate. Let me tell you, that guy is nuts. He didn't actually lose anything of value, but he got so butthurt as if I had entered his house and stole the virginity of his barely legal daughter. I've heard a lot about this guy and the summary pretty much is that he's a douche, ****, dork, donk and doofus. I'm glad there are alternatives like yours. Thanks :D
Yeah he's pretty crazy. He went nuts when the alternatives came out and started spamming the list saying "Don't forget I know mailing list mechanics better than you!" I think meaning that he knew he could spam mails to them like a nutcase. Needless to say the list blocking feature and the EVE ToS came into play pretty quick. His paid for google group pretty much died on it's ass as expected, and the old bulk trade having the whole "pay to unban" thing led to some pretty sketchy moderation. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
402
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:30:00 -
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*Hobbles in and sits his old butt down in a chair*
Gather around kiddies while uncle Reaper tells you a story.
Along time ago, CCP made an item called plex. This was used to make getting game time in eve via ETC's easier, and there was much rejoicing. Some people have aske dif CCP should remove them.. those people do not remember the time before plex.
People would either sell Ime Cards via the official forums, or through back door deals. There was lots of scamming, hacking, and RMT going on. CCP decided to reduce a lot of the nonsense, at least with the identify theft part, to introduce a way for people to legitimately trade game time. Thus the plex was born. Removing plex won't fix anything. People will still but game cards and sell them via forums, private or ebay. This is the nature of the beast.
Un linking plex and Aurum will make an impact, but even that is lame. And plex prices are not an issue. Just let it drop and pay the $15 a month or 11 if you pay for a year, and stop whining. Its what I do ;) |
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Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
128
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:56:00 -
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The game would be the way it was when I joined it.
Suddenly, it would be again about skill points, your experience in the game... AND your ability to make money. It is easy enough to make money, but so are the other things. Yet, as this was a challenge for the "elite PvP players", they had to dumb it down.
Back then, when losing a ship had meaning (beyond chipping in cash for ISK) the game was different. [melancholy off]
On the internet, you can be whatever you want to be. It is amazing that so many people chose to be stupid. |

Kudos12345
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:04:00 -
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Actually flipping burgers at MacDonalds is a more efficient way to make isk than to grind level 4's. |

Dave Stark
5007
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:06:00 -
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Kudos12345 wrote:Actually flipping burgers at MacDonalds is a more efficient way to make isk than to grind level 4's.
as some one who has done both.
level 4s are more enjoyable. |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
758
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:12:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Kudos12345 wrote:Actually flipping burgers at MacDonalds is a more efficient way to make isk than to grind level 4's. as some one who has done both. level 4s are more enjoyable. Mining the meat at the McD, ey? :) "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Anslo
Scope Works
4894
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:14:00 -
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I remember when plex didn't exist. Didn't bug me or the others back then. But now a days...it's too tied to the game. People rely on plex to sub. It sucks, ESPECIALLY with how high the price is. I remember when a plex, 30 days game time, was around 150mil.
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
190
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:27:00 -
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From the CSM minutes:
Quote:Game Design said that, long-term, they would like to collapse things to just two currencies. Several CSM members pointed out it would be quite simple to sell game time through the store: one month game time: 3500 Aurum (the conversion for one PLEX).
People may not be able to buy PLEX with cash in the future, they'll have to buy 3500 Aurum from CCP, exchange it for a PLEX from the store, and then sell the PLEX on market. Or maybe they'll even do away with PLEX as an item and require people to buy Aurum for ISK, from people who bought Aurum for cash... then use the Aurum to buy non-transferable game-time. In which case, PLEX will be "eliminated". That would kinda suck though... |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1341
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:29:00 -
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Quote:What if CCP eliminated PLEX?
It would be replaced by Aurum. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. |

TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
616
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Make no mistake in thinking that PLEX and AUR are two different things. Because they aren't. Both are meant to convert real money into virtual assets. GǪand that is why AUR is completely pointless. Nothing it does could not already be done through existing means when it was introduced and nothing has been introduced since that gives it any meaning or requires its use. It was implemented to provide content for a part of the game that was abandoned. It was retained to provide an EVE-Dust link that seems to be abandoned. It relies on code that was never finished and that replicated what was already in the game but without any of the pre-existing features. Quote:Just because it currently doesn't see any use doesn't mean that Aurum is worse as a currency than PLEX is. There simply was no reason to use Aurum until the skip skins came along. There still is no reason to use AUR GÇö the game has two and a half currencies as it is, two of which are trivially transferrable and one that could be made transferrable just as trivially if they chose to.
Ignore my explaination. Okay. Sure. Guess that settles that then. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |

Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1641
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:40:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:CCP needs to eliminate PLEX, it's a stupid useless item that can be easily replaced with the already existing Aurum system. Buy gametime with Aurum tokens instead of a specific PLEX item.
Somehow actually dumber than OP..... That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1341
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:41:00 -
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For a future shop in EVE aurum is more friendly than PLEX as a currency. PLEX could stay as game item that have only one function, to add gamtime to your account, as a traditional "earn gametime thru playing" way of life for some people. Other than that, all can be rewriten to be accomplished with aurum. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. |
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Dave Stark
5008
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:41:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Kudos12345 wrote:Actually flipping burgers at MacDonalds is a more efficient way to make isk than to grind level 4's. as some one who has done both. level 4s are more enjoyable. Mining the meat at the McD, ey? :) your mother was our most frequent customer. |

The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
100
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:45:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote: what if CCP said "Enough" we have RMT under control, we need more influx of cash and we are tired of dealing with the additional hassles that PLEX create.
By "additional hassles" you mean "oh god what do we do with all this extra money the players are giving us"? Because thats the sort of hassle I could be doing with. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21178
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:47:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Ignore my explaination. Okay. Sure. Guess that settles that then. I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying that none of what you describe needs AUR to happenGÇöit is a completely pointless addition to the game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4837
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:48:00 -
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What if you had to pass a IQ test to post in GD?
What if Greedo shot first?
What if you mated a bull dog and a shitsu, would it be called a bullshit?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
767
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:48:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Kudos12345 wrote:Actually flipping burgers at MacDonalds is a more efficient way to make isk than to grind level 4's. as some one who has done both. level 4s are more enjoyable. Mining the meat at the McD, ey? :) your mother was our most frequent customer. Oh wow, looks like I struck a nerve.
Sorry. "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
767
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:51:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:What if you had to pass a IQ test to post in GD?
What if Greedo shot first?
What if you mated a bull dog and a shitsu, would it be called a bullshit?
ROFLMAO "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
616
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Ignore my explaination. Okay. Sure. Guess that settles that then. I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying that none of what you describe needs AUR to happenGÇöit is a completely pointless addition to the game.
Same could be said for PLEX since they're essentially the same thing. Now what? My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21179
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Posted - 2014.04.23 18:06:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Same could be said for PLEX since they're essentially the same thing. Now what? Now you're being wilfully obtuse.
Something like PLEX did not exist before PLEX were created. GTCs did one of the things PLEX can do but lacked all the efficiency and expedience. AUR actually lacks it even more since it was never fully implemented, and it being a complete afterthought to the game is readily apparent since all it does is steal content that were meant for other parts of the game.
So no, the same thing cannot be said for PLEX, nor are they even remotely the same thing. One is a trade good that is fully implemented into the game; the other is a non-currency that serves no purpose that wouldn't be better served by one of the existing currencies. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
317
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Posted - 2014.04.23 18:14:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:But what if CCP said "Enough" we have RMT under control... PLEX was how CCP got RMT under control. If CCP got rid of PLEX, RMT would be a major issue in Eve again.
And of course everything else in your OP was wrong, but other people have covered those things.
And anyone who thinks PLEX should be removed really have no idea what they are talking about. PLEX has only ever been a good thing for Eve. There are no downsides at all to them. Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM! |

DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
404
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Posted - 2014.04.23 18:37:00 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:From the CSM minutes: Quote:Game Design said that, long-term, they would like to collapse things to just two currencies. Several CSM members pointed out it would be quite simple to sell game time through the store: one month game time: 3500 Aurum (the conversion for one PLEX). People may not be able to buy PLEX with cash in the future, they'll have to buy 3500 Aurum from CCP, exchange it for a PLEX from the store, and then sell the PLEX on market. Or maybe they'll even do away with PLEX as an item and require people to buy Aurum for ISK, from people who bought Aurum for cash... then use the Aurum to buy non-transferable game-time. In which case, PLEX will be "eliminated". That would kinda suck though...
This however will not help fix ingame prices, which is the complaint most people are having. Removing plex and having you buy game time with Aurum, and selling Aurum on the market, you will get the same issue we have now. Aurum will go up in price as more thigns are added to be bought with it, esp if the dust and eve economies merge. Nothing will change long term |
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