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ShadowFire15
BOAE INC BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.11.16 07:24:00 -
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Shawn Pierce wrote:Whoa ... the new ships aren't naked any more?? Request: Post several pics of each of the new ships at different angles so we can see them in all their textured glory. My SSD doesn't have enough room for the Singularity client, otherwise I'd take a look myself.
For The People Unfortunate to have SISI. Best i could do.
Oracle 1 Oracle 2 Oracle 3
Naga 1 Naga 2 Naga 3
Tornado 1 Tornado 2 Tornado 3
Talos 1 Talos 2 Talos 3
Tornado still has quite a bit of work to be done obviously. Stan Smith had a snow storm over weekend guy was shoveling snow outside, so i shot him and mined the snow myself. concord never showed up. on an unrelated note, i have a court date next tuesday |

Shawn Pierce
Wandering Incursion Exterminators
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Posted - 2011.11.16 08:07:00 -
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So far, Oracle and Talos are tied for the top spot appearance-wise. Once Tornado gets finished it might shove one of the others down a notch. Naga brings up the rear.
I wasn't expecting them to bring the expansion out so soon ... I won't be able to pilot any of these with T2 guns until after they are released. Oh well. Probably won't be able to buy one right away anyway... |

Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.11.17 04:11:00 -
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Arthur Frayn wrote:Torp Naga vs every other tier 3 BC = dead Naga due to other BC being low sig and faster and insta-hit with their guns while torp Naga cries itself to sleep. Torp naga also useless against bigger ships that can insta-hit with guns and smaller ships that torps can't hurt. Naga cries itself to sleep again if CCP listens to your dumb opinion.
You are not smart. Didn't your mother teach you to be nice?
I, too, would have preferred a torp or cruise boat, with a massive bonus to velocity or something like that to offset the range/delay penalties that hamper such ships. Oh well. It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler |

Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.11.17 06:56:00 -
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I don't believe ppl whine about that change and want missiles... Smells clueless...but guess what: missiles do not "scale up and down" like guns...surely tracking is a problem for large guns, but the expl velocity / expl. radius or torps and cruise missiles makes em pretty weak against most stuff smaller than a BC.
Asking for a Torp boat with none of the advantages of the SBs and all of the torp weaknesses is laughphable. Unless you where hoping for insane range and bonuses (aka 2x times that of a Raven's)...
The Cruise scenario is also lauphable, as gank wise cruise missiles (any ammo type) on a Raven currently are not better than HML + furys on a Drake...
If sniping with missiles was OP, we would be seeing more Cerberuses around - we don't. For a reason. If Cruise were a PVP weapon, see above. We would see them.
At least now you get a proper long range, decently hard hitting sniper. Yeah, it won't beat arties in alpha, but should bring some pain, and should out-range/out dmg other rail platforms. With the rail changes (hmm) it might be pretty good.
Now, if you where hoping for a BC with 2x the dmg projection of a SB, all the bonuses of the SB + applicable for both cruise and torps, then keep whining...it might work...tho ppl would might whine again, crying to get their hybrids back... "War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell |

Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.17 07:10:00 -
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Nimrod Nemesis wrote:Lots of butt-hurt from the "I never trained gunnery," crowd. Take that midol and go to sleep honey. exactly
They must be like sub 15m sp , have no pvp experience , have no skills , and QQ that not their playstyle is always the choosen one. |

Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.17 07:20:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:Arthur Frayn wrote:Torp Naga vs every other tier 3 BC = dead Naga due to other BC being low sig and faster and insta-hit with their guns while torp Naga cries itself to sleep. Torp naga also useless against bigger ships that can insta-hit with guns and smaller ships that torps can't hurt. Naga cries itself to sleep again if CCP listens to your dumb opinion.
You are not smart. Didn't your mother teach you to be nice? I, too, would have preferred a torp or cruise boat, with a massive bonus to velocity or something like that to offset the range/delay penalties that hamper such ships. Oh well.
So if he writes the truth and that is oppose your opinion then he is not nice... yeah... I too , would have preferred a torp or cruise boat , with a lame bonus to velocity something which still keeps torps close ranged weapons and still doesnt cut cruise missiles delay to an acceptable lvl. Also would like to use my rage torps to get +10% eft paper dps over other close ranged turret boats , which mitigates faster than my 0 buffertank vs anything that actually moves.
Yeah so another completly useless large missile boat ,maybe workable for pve, or promising rail ship which can actually hurt.
Oh just to remind you guys : -CCP is buffing hybrids so maybe they will be usefull once -CCP doesnt look at large missiles -> will be useless for pvp for another year at least |

Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.17 07:29:00 -
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Diomidis wrote:I don't believe ppl whine about that change and want missiles... Smells clueless....
That would describe most caldari pilots, yes. |

Lijhal
Innoruuks Wrath
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Posted - 2011.11.17 07:50:00 -
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Nimrod Nemesis wrote:Diomidis wrote:I don't believe ppl whine about that change and want missiles... Smells clueless.... That would describe most caldari pilots, yes.
That would describe mostly carebears in NPC corps if you ask me...
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Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.17 07:52:00 -
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Lijhal wrote:Nimrod Nemesis wrote:
That would describe most caldari pilots, yes.
That would describe mostly carebears in NPC corps if you ask me...
That would describe most caldari pilots, yes. |

CanonMP180
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:50:00 -
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It's an interesting development, hybrids, commonly accepted as being under powered for some time now, will be on two new ships coming out this winter as well as getting some much needed balancing. Whereas missiles, also under-represented in PvP, despite even the popularity of the drake (which last time I checked was second in popularity to the cane), will have no new platform in the next expansion. Irrespective of the viability of a torp BC it's understandable that missile users would be disheartened.
Where some of the pro-missile users have gone wrong is in trying to say the naga was better off the way it was, sadly this simply isn't the case. Torp boats are notorious for looking great in eft and giving a mediocre performance in-game under real conditions (except for passive pos bashing where the raven shines). It would be great if CCP could try to balance missiles for use in PvP to make them more viable once they have finished with Hybrids. I'm not sure it could be done without a radical overhaul though... I wouldn't want the job of getting it all to balance!
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Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:22:00 -
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I don't play on the test servers and from what I have herd things can change alittle or a lot from that server to the playing server on day of update/release.
I tend to fly mostly Caldari Ships that fire missiles of all types. My first thoughts on when I saw the Naga was oh look another missile boat. Oh well thats a shame. I say this because I wouldn't mind dusting off the Eagle or Rokh and play with those as well. With the Naga possibly changing to Hybrid I welcome the chance to fly something new with something else other than firing a missile. I just hope it has its place and wont be just another let down ship sitting in my hanger like so many others I have.
I have my missile boats. I do not wish to cross train to projectile or laser. Maybe I am just old school or still like to foolisly like my role play roots to stay within the realms what my race bonus have?
Does anyone have a link or can paste the stats? I was hoping Evelopedia whould have all the ships up now but I see the sense or caution in not having them for us to see. I have no idea on resists or size of shields or anything else for that matter.
Thank you |

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.11.17 19:32:00 -
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The Underdark wrote:soo we have 2 ships with hybrid bonus's? in other-words missile users get nothing this expansion, way to leave people out.
Caldari specialize in missiles, it's only proper that missiles should be on it
Yeah, shame.
Since We got the Rokh over 2 years ago, you got an awesome Maurader, You have a missile based Black Ops, a missile based combat recon, a missile based brawler BC called the drake, a Navy scorpion, and hybrids left behind since 2007.
Go find a cliff. |

Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.17 19:48:00 -
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w/e at least i dont have to train t2 torps, railguns would create some interesting combat scenarios.
Run a fleet of naga's and drakes and kite like a bauss! |
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