If this is true... so happy D: no words to describe how happy... PLEASE show me something to prove this is true so I can sleep well tonight!

P.S. Maybe its OP but I still want its 4th low slot back

PLEASE show me something to prove this is true so I can sleep well tonight!

It just became a hands down better ship than Talos.......

Tornado is still king of the hill, by miles, but its better than something.

The prowess of a straight damage bonus can't be denied, but the hands down bit is arguable.

Prior to the change, with a Rail-fit, they had about equal damage-to-reach scaling while the Talos not only retained it's tracking bonus but also remained an odd 300m/s faster and 1s more agile, ontop of having a similar or slightly better buffer even under a shield tank. With the Naga's damage-to-reach tuned up it does what it's meant to do while the Talos retain a better performance at 25% lower ranges, or 25% less damage but 25% better tracking at equal ranges; with all the aforementioned perks.

As noted initially, the general application of a straight damage bonus should not be denied though.

I'm pretty sure that with decent skills and faction fusion/phased plasma a 1400mm Tornado is quite capable of blasting the the other three hulls into structure in one volley, something you aren't going to be able to replicate with rails. On SiSi a I fit one up with a 8k buffer with a nano and ACR full rack of 1400s and a pair of gyro's it was vollying a myrm 9000 a whack into his heaviest resist....I don't have Large Projectile spec yet (I will soon).

Bonused 8 x 1400mm arty alpha on a highly manouvreable hull? A gang of just 2/3 of these is going to be ridiculously lethal and cost effective, particularly with much better lock times than BS hulls and higher agility to GTFO. Let the instapopping commence.

-Ed

well now I have a reason to use large hybrids. ty CCP.

I still don't have a single point in Caldari ship command.

D: I know the tornado is better... but its better than all 3 by miles. I really have no idea why CCP did this... even when they nerfed all 4 the Tornado received the least nerfs :| But minmatar already win everything so as long as its as good as the other two races Im happy! I think a Torp Naga will be a good ratting ship if you are just trying to clear all the battleships!

One one hand, at least we're not splitting weapon bonuses anymore.

On the other hand, I would have preferred it to be a torp boat for pure capkiller potential.

On the secret third hand, I think this means I'll never see another Ferox in space...

I'm fighting this change for the Missile users, If this goes through they get nothing this winter.

Caldari is a missile race, at least give them hardpoints back, if not any bonus's.

Hardpoints without bonuses would be behond pointless.

And who said a race was specialized in only one weapon type? By your logic, since gallentes are the drones specialists, then hybrids wouldn't belong to anyone.

...Oh FINE, here you go.

Missile hardpoints removed.

New bonuses:

Battlecruiser Skill bonus per level:
5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage
10% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret optimal range

Role Bonus:
95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Hybrid Turrets
50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Hybrid Turrets
50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Hybrid Turrets

Thankyou CCP. Now the major difference between the Naga and Talos is range vs tracking.

Oh get stuffed....
It's CALDARI, it should have MISSILES.
Hybrids are for gallente FFS.

soo we have 2 ships with hybrid bonus's? in other-words missile users get nothing this expansion, way to leave people out.

Caldari specialize in missiles, it's only proper that missiles should be on it

Caldari does not specialize in missiles. Caldari are equally hybrid and missiles. Just count the number of missile ships vs hybrid ships they have. So far HALF of the Caldari ships have been semi useless because of how bad hybrids have been combined with the useless range bonus Caldari hybrid ships usually get D:

I want to be able to use ALL of my Caldari ships :D Please give them damage bonuses!

I'm fighting this change for the Missile users, If this goes through they get nothing this winter.

Caldari is a missile race, at least give them hardpoints back, if not any bonus's.

We actually have enough missle boats, thank you. We don't need another, especially one with a split weapons system with no bonus to missiles. That's what the Rokh is for (and yes I'm aware it's a battleship).

We don't actually have any good hybrid turret battlecruisers yet (the Ferox is not a ship).

Oh get stuffed....
It's CALDARI, it should have MISSILES.
Hybrids are for gallente FFS.

If you want a good Hybrid ship and you already have the skills for the turrets, just train the measly skills needed to fly a gal BC..

Wrong. Gallente are drone race. Hybrids are their secondary weapon system. You're very glad I caught that one before you looked stupid.

are you joking? drones are a variety, utility item. a FEW ships specialize in them, far more Gal ships are suited for Hybrids

D: I know the tornado is better... but its better than all 3 by miles. I really have no idea why CCP did this... even when they nerfed all 4 the Tornado received the least nerfs :| But minmatar already win everything so as long as its as good as the other two races Im happy! I think a Torp Naga will be a good ratting ship if you are just trying to clear all the battleships!

Thanks CCP for rendering a promising ship useless for me for no good reason.

All Gallente battleships have huge dronebays and bandwidth. Gallente cruisers and battlecruisers are the same. Gallente are only race with frigates that have big drone bays and drone damage bonuses. Even the hybrid Caldari/Gallente ships have their primary Gallente bonus being drone damage and huge drone bays.

Gallente carriers are all damage bonus with fighters (just bigger drones). Drones are a primary weapon system. Hybrids are secondary. Same with Caldari. Missiles are primary, hybrids secondary. Doesn't matter that both races have one or two ships built around their secondary weapon systems. So to say Caldari Naga should have missiles is silly. Gallente Talos should be drone boat, by that logic. Hence, Naga is fine as is. You are stupid for not seeing this.

If you want a cheap torp boat, fly a Raven which is awesome for that role. Torps have flight time which means you want a ship that can survive being shot at while the big slow lumbering torps stroll over to the target and BOOM. Torp Naga vs every other tier 3 BC = dead Naga due to other BC being low sig and faster and insta-hit with their guns while torp Naga cries itself to sleep. Torp naga also useless against bigger ships that can insta-hit with guns and smaller ships that torps can't hurt. Naga cries itself to sleep again if CCP listens to your dumb opinion.

You are not smart.

It's that every weapon type now has a Over-sized weapon platform except the Missiles.

Really, because of torps? Why the hell would you want a paper-thin glass-cannon sniper that was limited to using torps? Keeping in mind the rigs and painters necessary to get anything out of them, i'm pretty glad that ccp went the hybrid way.

Not saying it's a bad ship but I can't use large hybrids (or any hybrids at all, I may consider small ones).

Two words: Stealth Bombers.

You would deny them an updated more versatile new model simply because of a highly specialized ship?

People are saying you need X, Y, Z to make torps work. I disagree.

It doesnt have to have split bonuses... the original stats for it had full double bonuses. This is how every split ship should be, a half bonus is sooo silly. D:

are you joking? drones are a variety, utility item. a FEW ships specialize in them, far more Gal ships are suited for Hybrids

I am displeased with the change.

I am a missile using pilot, and I really have no skills to speak of in hybrids. Mostly because I find their damage sub par at the ranges of most missiles. People are saying you need X, Y, Z to make torps work. I disagree. I have been testing the Naga on SiSi since it was dropped there. I would stack my Torp Naga against any hybrid fitted one any day of the week. Javelin missiles rip anything BC and smaller a new one. Rage Torps for BS sized targets, no TP needed for either one.

That all being said. There is no reason in the world, that CCP can't leave the ship with dual roles. From what I understood it had both to start with and was just fine. If this change is permanent, there are many pilots who will feel there is no need for it. And it will be relegated to a poor footnote, and rarely used. In it's previous configuration it was a versatile ship, with many uses for both sets of pilots.

Long story short: If people wanna fly fail fits, you guys who are so damn skilled, enjoy the free kills. If you wanna build the "ultimate" blaster boat, go for it, and show us missile guys how it is done. I know I would have made some noise with a torp one. People should have a choice to fit it however they wish, fail or not.

I was excited about the new ships, until this. I don't really care now.

Flame away.

Whoa ... the new ships aren't naked any more??

Request: Post several pics of each of the new ships at different angles so we can see them in all their textured glory.

My SSD doesn't have enough room for the Singularity client, otherwise I'd take a look myself.

Torp Naga vs every other tier 3 BC = dead Naga due to other BC being low sig and faster and insta-hit with their guns while torp Naga cries itself to sleep. Torp naga also useless against bigger ships that can insta-hit with guns and smaller ships that torps can't hurt. Naga cries itself to sleep again if CCP listens to your dumb opinion.

You are not smart.

Lots of butt-hurt from the "I never trained gunnery," crowd. Take that midol and go to sleep honey.

Didn't your mother teach you to be nice?

I, too, would have preferred a torp or cruise boat, with a massive bonus to velocity or something like that to offset the range/delay penalties that hamper such ships. Oh well.

I don't believe ppl whine about that change and want missiles...
Smells clueless....

That would describe most caldari pilots, yes.

That would describe mostly carebears in NPC corps if you ask me...

soo we have 2 ships with hybrid bonus's? in other-words missile users get nothing this expansion, way to leave people out.

Caldari specialize in missiles, it's only proper that missiles should be on it