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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2006.05.18 00:37:00 -
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-- Official FLA Statement --
The FLA would like to acknowledge the vast debt of gratitude we have incurred to Drones of Annihilation, Penetrate, Shadow Company and Burn Eden over the last couple of weeks.
From being a small group of people beset on all sides by an enemy of vastly superior numbers and barely holding our own, the arrival of our merry band of friends has taken us from one victory to another, almost as if by default.
The pilots of Alektorophobia and Burn Eden have shown exemplary skill in what they do and have taught us a very great deal along the way. While some forces would cower at 3 and 4 (and at times 5 or 6) to 1 odds, BE and Alek stood firm in their resolve to obtain 3JN9-Y with FLA against such odds. Our collective achievement speaks for itself as we now control the station. Additionally, this speaks nothing of the engagements in and around 3JN prior to taking the station in which we achieved numerous victories.
As the saying quite correctly goes, it is only in times of trouble that you will discover who your true friends are. When we were in dire need of assistance and at real risk of losing everything we had built and strived for in Deklein, Burn Eden and Alektrophobia did for us what only true friends do; they came to our aid in force and at great inconvenience to themselves without ever bringing up the subject of recompense of any kind. This is a rare thing.
While their ways in many respects are not our ways, these 4 corps have shown what we in FLA respect the most - integrity, honesty and honour. While all 3 commodities are generally in very short supply in EVE, we of the FLA say that Alektrophobia and Burn Eden possess them in abundance.
The FLA is grateful and in your debt.
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DiNoer
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Posted - 2006.05.18 00:49:00 -
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As neutral to both sides in this confict, I'd honestly like to just ask one thing:
Have both parties reached a permanent ceasefire and/or peace for now, or do open hostilities still ensue?
Thx, Fs & Gl
La prospTritT de l'Gme libre
La prospTritT de la fTdTration
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Pluvious
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Posted - 2006.05.18 00:52:00 -
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 Originally by: DiNoer
As neutral to both sides in this confict, I'd honestly like to just ask one thing:
Have both parties reached a permanent ceasefire and/or peace for now, or do open hostilities still ensue?
Thx, Fs & Gl
In my last dialog with NFC, they gave us two choices:
1. stand down
2. die
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Dark Dreamon
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Posted - 2006.05.18 00:52:00 -
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I've been flying intencifly with the Alektorophobia ppl and i can say this. fear those that bring death and destruction! i respect and admire there profecionalism and inteligent warfare. i learned alot, and learing still. and i have my killboard record to prove it.
go Alektorophobia!
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ShyLion
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Posted - 2006.05.18 01:26:00 -
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Thank you Alektorophobia and Burn Eden!
If you ever need poor, lil', ol' Shy, dont hesitate - I got you're backs to the death!!!!
I'll let you know when the eris' are out of research 
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What is the difference between genius and stupidity? Genius has limits. - Albert Einstein.
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SATAN
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Posted - 2006.05.18 01:54:00 -
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There must be another handfull of corps out there with our names cause I swear that according to many on these forums we are all insignificant, and only gank.
Far as your thanks goes, np it has been and will continue to be fun long as NFC thinks its their way or the highway.
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Drunken Claptrap
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Posted - 2006.05.18 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Drunken Claptrap on 18/05/2006 02:16:55
Yep, cheers guys...I'm learning alot, and FLA respect and appreciate your friendship and the advice you have given us. Anytime, just ask, and I'm sure we will do what we can.
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Idunyken
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Posted - 2006.05.18 02:54:00 -
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Since FLA have been very eager to promote their success in this war I thought i'd come in and provide some details from a different point of view  . In no large engagement that I was in did BE manage to gain the initiative and they warped away from several fights when they could have done more damage. The first attempt to take 3jn was thwarted when NFC got a fleet past a bubble camp with few losses (on either side) and forced the dreadnaughts bombarding the station to warp away to safety when the shields were only at around 5-10%. I understand later in that first attack a dreadnaught and at least one carrier were lost to NFC forces (can't tell you who's, our unpassworded killboard was taken down due to excessive sabotage  ). In the later POS war that successfully took 3jn, every time an NFC fleet came up to fight any opposing force on the gate were quickly scattered and hours of light skirmishing ensued resulting in an eventual mass logoff of BE, a diminishing of NFC gang numbers then BE logging back in, outnumbering us and forcing us to leave. Had we been able to back our fleets up with anti-POS ships the second battle for 3jn would have been a whole different story.
That's the fight from my point of view. The point I want to make by saying this is that FLA and friends did not simply steamroller NFC. There was good fighting all round. BE have shown great ability when engaging in smaller fights and raids around deklein and FLA did well to capitalise on their industrial strength and waging a POS war in 3jn. Through all this NFC have fought well in fleet engagements and many good leaders and fighters have emerged and improved our PvP force.
If we were to stop fighting we'de make a great team...don'tcha think?
ID
Disclaimer: These are my own opinions and not official words from the NFC. Also when I say 'BE' in this statement I mean all FLA's friends, i'm just too lazy to think of a short way to encompass them all.
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2006.05.18 03:05:00 -
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I wasn't a part of this original 3JN attack unfortunately so I have no rebuttal for the above post.
However I can say I have had the pleasure of flying with a few FLA gangs and it has been satisfactory as far as I am concerened. Losses have been kept to a minimum with the only exceptions being server/lag troubles and a rogue LV gank squad with major miscommunication.
It's too bad that today's massive node crash had to b0rk tonight's plans. I look forward to plenty of action to come and all I can say is "You ain't seen nothing yet!"
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Franky B
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Posted - 2006.05.18 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: Franky B on 18/05/2006 03:30:17
I think i've kept quiet for too long on this and I'm going to swallow my pride and comment
I wasnt privy to any council meets, nor any pivotal decisions over the past weeks that affected this conflict. But from what i've seen and fought, FLA HAVE been victims of the NFC.
now I've been a proud member of first aus corp, then IRON then again auscorp followed (briefly) by NFC, I dont think I can sustain my pride any longer.
Its petty bickering as I see it.
And whomever in NFC sees this and doesnt like what I have to say. kiss my ass.
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Reckless Eddie
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Posted - 2006.05.18 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Idunyken
Had we been able to back our fleets up... the second battle for 3jn would have been a whole different story.
lol priceless
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Francis Verdictio
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Posted - 2006.05.18 06:28:00 -
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/signed
You guys have done a job many larger alliances would've balked at. You rock!
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2006.05.18 07:05:00 -
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Its been alot of fun. and I would like to state that this is far from over and my alliance still stands united behind the effort for a resolve one way or another..
Much Respect frag.
"What i have posted Is what i think and in everyway relates to what my alliance feels, it does not however effect my real life or make me want to warp scramble my sister and blow her head off |
Warlord2004
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Posted - 2006.05.18 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Idunyken
If we were to stop fighting we'de make a great team...don'tcha think?
ID
Well I have to ask.... why are you saying this to FLA and not to your leaders?
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HeavyMetal
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Posted - 2006.05.18 07:52:00 -
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signed
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MrCue
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:09:00 -
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I have read a dozen posts on the forums of NFC people not wanting to fight NFC.
Yet your leaders are saying they have been given only two options by their members.
/me thinks they aren't listening to you and are only interested in their own goals and not that of the groups.
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LC Sulla
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:26:00 -
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Been great fun flying with you guys. Have learned heaps.
Thanks for all the effort you have all put in.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Franky B
Edited by: Franky B on 18/05/2006 03:30:17
I think i've kept quiet for too long on this and I'm going to swallow my pride and comment
I wasnt privy to any council meets, nor any pivotal decisions over the past weeks that affected this conflict. But from what i've seen and fought, FLA HAVE been victims of the NFC.
now I've been a proud member of first aus corp, then IRON then again auscorp followed (briefly) by NFC, I dont think I can sustain my pride any longer.
Its petty bickering as I see it.
And whomever in NFC sees this and doesnt like what I have to say. kiss my ass.
you may send me a mail ingame about details IF u wish.
would be appreciated, Franky
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Dragonmorph
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Posted - 2006.05.18 10:17:00 -
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I too would like to add my thanks to our friends. An awesome job well done.
The reasons I see the NFC leadership are not listening to their members is the old story of greed. Before this started gouging was the order of the day. 20 mil rents, 15% refine taxes etc. Where has all this gone?
FLA have put up more POS's in defence of one system than NFC have deployed in the defence of the entire region!
NFC leadership have left us with little choice but to persue their complete removal, for the good of all residents.
Once they have been sent packing, refine rates will be set to just 2%, just enough to cover the cost of maintaining sovereignty.
That way, we believe the people who should really benefit from the region, the individual pilots, will do so.
Just a closing note, EVE never ceases to amaze me. Last night, in the middle of a gate camp with carnage, bubbles, explosions everywhere, I was convoed by an ISS Noob who said "I can see you're busy, but do you mind if I mine here for a while?"
Priceless ;)
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Marsha11
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Warlord2004
Originally by: Idunyken
If we were to stop fighting we'de make a great team...don'tcha think?
ID
Well I have to ask.... why are you saying this to FLA and not to your leaders?
I think that the people in NFC who dont wanna fight should join the FLA, we would soon see these 'leaders' drop a brick then...
"OK guys we have decided to attack again, what we are goin to...... erm... guys... oh fudge"
Mwhahaha
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Top Quote
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
There must be another handfull of corps out there with our names cause I swear that according to many on these forums we are all insignificant, and only gank.
Far as your thanks goes, np it has been and will continue to be fun long as NFC thinks its their way or the highway.
I'd just like to say honestly and frankly... I don't know stab eden to talk to... and you guys only get as much flack as you do because you do it well.
I find you to be excellent opponents and have a geniune amount of respect for you skills.
However the smack leaves something to be desired.. but then If that went i'd have to consider that i might actually like you guys... so keep up the good work.. everyone needs a nemesis.
"Arrogance and Stupidity all in one package - How efficent of you commander"
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Trinity Trixx
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:12:00 -
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Thanks FLA - it's been more than a pleasure working side by side with you guys as well. It's been a treat watching an industrialist alliance (with no real desire by the majority of the pilots to PvP) step right up to the plate without hesitation and morph into a force to be reckoned with in just a short period of time. I would also like to mention that FLA have had Alek and BE barking orders at them left and right since our arrival. Very very little complaining on your part... which is testimony it and of itself to your character. A grumble here or there is trivial really, and look at your results: 3JN-Y.
In fact, I had the pleasure of listening on TS to a small squadron of FLA pilots gather forces to aide a solo pilot stranded and surrounded by hostiles. There was no hesitation to help rather, they moved out immediately. They did, in fact, secure the system and retrieve the pilot with no losses. I'm not 100% sure about kills, so I won't mention any (and it's a moot point really - their objective had been completed). The point is, FLA are no longer the cute little carebears everyone knows them to be. Some would do good to take this information to heart.
I have not had the displeasure of being a part of the peace talks (due to outside circumstances) and thank goodness for that. As spokesperson for our alliance, I am filled in each day and must say I am highly disturbed about the lack of progress up to this point.
Most people know that I don't mince words and I will not start now - NFC, you really need to pull your collective heads out of your collective butts and take a good hard look at the landscape - the big picture:
1) FLA are not leaving Dek.
2) 3JN-Y will not be leaving FLA control anytime soon
3) FLA has only EVER wanted to live in peace in a region they call home and HAVE called home for a long time
4) Numerous NFC pilots are upset by the current state of affairs and see what's going on for what it is. Those pilots should put pressure on their leaders to make a change in the right direction.
5) NFC leadership should reign in their pride because the old saying "Pride cometh before the fall" has not been around for thousands of years because it is NOT true - it is, without a doubt, 100% true.
6) As the days without peace drag on, many corporations outside of FLA and NFC who live in and around Dek themselves are beginning to see NFC for what they really are and if you want to save face in any small way, NFC had better act quickly to resolve this situation.
7) Final note because I've seen it said on the forums a number of times and I'd like to clear it up. FLA took 3JN-Y because as an ALLIANCE, they had NO home, NO where to dock in their home region. As an alliance that has called Dek home for as long as they have, this was unacceptable, especially considering they'd been locked out of stations all throughout Dek with billions of ISK worth of their Alliance, Corporation, and personal items suddenly unreachable. That is so underhanded, you have no idea NFC and the fact that FLA wishes to still consider peace with you after that is a GREAT TESTIMONY TO THEIR CHARACTER!! Because - personally - I would have your flippin you-know-what on a skillet if it were me!
It's your choice really NFC. You know the score. You want to lose Deklein - keep acting like a bunch of spoiled children. You'd really better start being resonable because I can promise you, if you don't - you WILL lose the region and you WILL be kicked out. Now, you might say... well if FLA surely doesn't want peace if they are so willing to erradicate NFC from the area. Quite the opposite really... they DO want peace with NFC, but with the current actions of NFC to be so unwillling to compromise after FLA's generous offer... ask yourself this - would YOU want NFC to remain in the region after the deceit, the betrayal, and the total unwilllingness to compromise? Seriously...would you want someone like that as your next-door neighbor???
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Cockroach
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:32:00 -
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Ive known most Burn Eden/Penetrate members for the best part of 2 years now and you guys still make me feel like a complete noob everytime i fly with you, even with my own experience in the game And DOFA, Shado too. You guys rock, nuff said...... Oh Apart from if Trinity is in gang, i want out, i just cant control my damn ship when shes on TS, hmmm or anything else, maybe BE should give her to NFC oh and dont worry Frag i dont believe all the rumours they tell me about your sexual oriantation.
My respect to Idunyken and Top Q for their comments.
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Tharg
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tharg on 18/05/2006 12:48:54
Edited by: Tharg on 18/05/2006 12:47:17
Wow nice post Trinity...
Just wanted to add to my comrades posts on this thread.
Big respect to Burn Eden, DofA and Shado especially, we have learnt a hell of a lot from you in the short time you have been flying up here in Dek. Voice comms have been interesting to say the least and I've enjoyed the banter. Your training has been invaluable to us all, and your friendship second to none.
I for one beleive we are in great debt to you and when the day comes that you ever need assistance I will very gladly fly by your side once again. Just call.
....it has been a pleasure. Thankyou and Yaaaaarrrr!
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.18 13:15:00 -
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Doctorgonzo once told me that eve is all about leaving your mark. I think that has been done.
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M'aressi malakia
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Posted - 2006.05.18 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dragonmorph
Once they have been sent packing, refine rates will be set to just 2%, just enough to cover the cost of maintaining sovereignty.
That way, we believe the people who should really benefit from the region, the individual pilots, will do so.
2% refining tax? ONLY? AND the ability to create jump clones. You will be receiving an application shortly
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Idunyken
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Posted - 2006.05.18 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dragonmorph
The reasons I see the NFC leadership are not listening to their members is the old story of greed. Before this started gouging was the order of the day. 20 mil rents, 15% refine taxes etc. Where has all this gone?
1) To clear up confusion, that was the case under IRON. NFC refine tax is only 5% and lowering that in the future was always on the cards.
Originally by: Dragonmorph
FLA have put up more POS's in defence of one system than NFC have deployed in the defence of the entire region!
2) Simply untrue  (no you're not getting juicy details BoB)
Originally by: Dragonmorph
Once they have been sent packing, refine rates will be set to just 2%, just enough to cover the cost of maintaining sovereignty.
3) see 1)
Originally by: Dragonmorph
Just a closing note, EVE never ceases to amaze me. Last night, in the middle of a gate camp with carnage, bubbles, explosions everywhere, I was convoed by an ISS Noob who said "I can see you're busy, but do you mind if I mine here for a while?"
Priceless ;)
lol! <3 Eve
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Sypher313
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Posted - 2006.05.18 16:49:00 -
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peeps in this cluster of ours have been underestimating DOA and BE specifically for years usually to their own undoing and ship loss. They do so at their own peril.
I have been allied and flown with DOA in the past and they are as you have stated a damn good bunch to call your friends.
As with any action in this universe there is always a reaction to that action, FLA being in a dispute/war and the fact that their freinds showed up was not unexpected by me. The moment hostilities broke out i knew it was only a matter of time until DOA/Penetrate/Shadow & BE would be up here in Dek helping their friends.
That is a large part of this Universe, having peeps you can call "Friend" that will help you when in need.
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:01:00 -
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Eve doesnt work if BE are liked
400x120@24000 bytes Max please. -Capsicum
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ShyLion
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:48:00 -
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Dammit Trinity - that post of yours.... amazing .... - Marry Me!!!!
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What is the difference between genius and stupidity? Genius has limits. - Albert Einstein.
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