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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2006.05.18 00:37:00 -
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-- Official FLA Statement --
The FLA would like to acknowledge the vast debt of gratitude we have incurred to Drones of Annihilation, Penetrate, Shadow Company and Burn Eden over the last couple of weeks.
From being a small group of people beset on all sides by an enemy of vastly superior numbers and barely holding our own, the arrival of our merry band of friends has taken us from one victory to another, almost as if by default.
The pilots of Alektorophobia and Burn Eden have shown exemplary skill in what they do and have taught us a very great deal along the way. While some forces would cower at 3 and 4 (and at times 5 or 6) to 1 odds, BE and Alek stood firm in their resolve to obtain 3JN9-Y with FLA against such odds. Our collective achievement speaks for itself as we now control the station. Additionally, this speaks nothing of the engagements in and around 3JN prior to taking the station in which we achieved numerous victories.
As the saying quite correctly goes, it is only in times of trouble that you will discover who your true friends are. When we were in dire need of assistance and at real risk of losing everything we had built and strived for in Deklein, Burn Eden and Alektrophobia did for us what only true friends do; they came to our aid in force and at great inconvenience to themselves without ever bringing up the subject of recompense of any kind. This is a rare thing.
While their ways in many respects are not our ways, these 4 corps have shown what we in FLA respect the most - integrity, honesty and honour. While all 3 commodities are generally in very short supply in EVE, we of the FLA say that Alektrophobia and Burn Eden possess them in abundance.
The FLA is grateful and in your debt.
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DiNoer
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Posted - 2006.05.18 00:49:00 -
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As neutral to both sides in this confict, I'd honestly like to just ask one thing:
Have both parties reached a permanent ceasefire and/or peace for now, or do open hostilities still ensue?
Thx, Fs & Gl
La prospTritT de l'Gme libre
La prospTritT de la fTdTration
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Pluvious
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Posted - 2006.05.18 00:52:00 -
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 Originally by: DiNoer
As neutral to both sides in this confict, I'd honestly like to just ask one thing:
Have both parties reached a permanent ceasefire and/or peace for now, or do open hostilities still ensue?
Thx, Fs & Gl
In my last dialog with NFC, they gave us two choices:
1. stand down
2. die
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Dark Dreamon
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Posted - 2006.05.18 00:52:00 -
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I've been flying intencifly with the Alektorophobia ppl and i can say this. fear those that bring death and destruction! i respect and admire there profecionalism and inteligent warfare. i learned alot, and learing still. and i have my killboard record to prove it.
go Alektorophobia!
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ShyLion
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Posted - 2006.05.18 01:26:00 -
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Thank you Alektorophobia and Burn Eden!
If you ever need poor, lil', ol' Shy, dont hesitate - I got you're backs to the death!!!!
I'll let you know when the eris' are out of research 
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What is the difference between genius and stupidity? Genius has limits. - Albert Einstein.
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SATAN
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Posted - 2006.05.18 01:54:00 -
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There must be another handfull of corps out there with our names cause I swear that according to many on these forums we are all insignificant, and only gank.
Far as your thanks goes, np it has been and will continue to be fun long as NFC thinks its their way or the highway.
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Drunken Claptrap
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Posted - 2006.05.18 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Drunken Claptrap on 18/05/2006 02:16:55
Yep, cheers guys...I'm learning alot, and FLA respect and appreciate your friendship and the advice you have given us. Anytime, just ask, and I'm sure we will do what we can.
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Idunyken
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Posted - 2006.05.18 02:54:00 -
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Since FLA have been very eager to promote their success in this war I thought i'd come in and provide some details from a different point of view  . In no large engagement that I was in did BE manage to gain the initiative and they warped away from several fights when they could have done more damage. The first attempt to take 3jn was thwarted when NFC got a fleet past a bubble camp with few losses (on either side) and forced the dreadnaughts bombarding the station to warp away to safety when the shields were only at around 5-10%. I understand later in that first attack a dreadnaught and at least one carrier were lost to NFC forces (can't tell you who's, our unpassworded killboard was taken down due to excessive sabotage  ). In the later POS war that successfully took 3jn, every time an NFC fleet came up to fight any opposing force on the gate were quickly scattered and hours of light skirmishing ensued resulting in an eventual mass logoff of BE, a diminishing of NFC gang numbers then BE logging back in, outnumbering us and forcing us to leave. Had we been able to back our fleets up with anti-POS ships the second battle for 3jn would have been a whole different story.
That's the fight from my point of view. The point I want to make by saying this is that FLA and friends did not simply steamroller NFC. There was good fighting all round. BE have shown great ability when engaging in smaller fights and raids around deklein and FLA did well to capitalise on their industrial strength and waging a POS war in 3jn. Through all this NFC have fought well in fleet engagements and many good leaders and fighters have emerged and improved our PvP force.
If we were to stop fighting we'de make a great team...don'tcha think?
ID
Disclaimer: These are my own opinions and not official words from the NFC. Also when I say 'BE' in this statement I mean all FLA's friends, i'm just too lazy to think of a short way to encompass them all.
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2006.05.18 03:05:00 -
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I wasn't a part of this original 3JN attack unfortunately so I have no rebuttal for the above post.
However I can say I have had the pleasure of flying with a few FLA gangs and it has been satisfactory as far as I am concerened. Losses have been kept to a minimum with the only exceptions being server/lag troubles and a rogue LV gank squad with major miscommunication.
It's too bad that today's massive node crash had to b0rk tonight's plans. I look forward to plenty of action to come and all I can say is "You ain't seen nothing yet!"
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Franky B
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Posted - 2006.05.18 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: Franky B on 18/05/2006 03:30:17
I think i've kept quiet for too long on this and I'm going to swallow my pride and comment
I wasnt privy to any council meets, nor any pivotal decisions over the past weeks that affected this conflict. But from what i've seen and fought, FLA HAVE been victims of the NFC.
now I've been a proud member of first aus corp, then IRON then again auscorp followed (briefly) by NFC, I dont think I can sustain my pride any longer.
Its petty bickering as I see it.
And whomever in NFC sees this and doesnt like what I have to say. kiss my ass.
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Reckless Eddie
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Posted - 2006.05.18 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Idunyken
Had we been able to back our fleets up... the second battle for 3jn would have been a whole different story.
lol priceless
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Francis Verdictio
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Posted - 2006.05.18 06:28:00 -
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/signed
You guys have done a job many larger alliances would've balked at. You rock!
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2006.05.18 07:05:00 -
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Its been alot of fun. and I would like to state that this is far from over and my alliance still stands united behind the effort for a resolve one way or another..
Much Respect frag.
"What i have posted Is what i think and in everyway relates to what my alliance feels, it does not however effect my real life or make me want to warp scramble my sister and blow her head off |
Warlord2004
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Posted - 2006.05.18 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Idunyken
If we were to stop fighting we'de make a great team...don'tcha think?
ID
Well I have to ask.... why are you saying this to FLA and not to your leaders?
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HeavyMetal
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Posted - 2006.05.18 07:52:00 -
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signed
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MrCue
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:09:00 -
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I have read a dozen posts on the forums of NFC people not wanting to fight NFC.
Yet your leaders are saying they have been given only two options by their members.
/me thinks they aren't listening to you and are only interested in their own goals and not that of the groups.
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LC Sulla
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:26:00 -
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Been great fun flying with you guys. Have learned heaps.
Thanks for all the effort you have all put in.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Franky B
Edited by: Franky B on 18/05/2006 03:30:17
I think i've kept quiet for too long on this and I'm going to swallow my pride and comment
I wasnt privy to any council meets, nor any pivotal decisions over the past weeks that affected this conflict. But from what i've seen and fought, FLA HAVE been victims of the NFC.
now I've been a proud member of first aus corp, then IRON then again auscorp followed (briefly) by NFC, I dont think I can sustain my pride any longer.
Its petty bickering as I see it.
And whomever in NFC sees this and doesnt like what I have to say. kiss my ass.
you may send me a mail ingame about details IF u wish.
would be appreciated, Franky
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Dragonmorph
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Posted - 2006.05.18 10:17:00 -
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I too would like to add my thanks to our friends. An awesome job well done.
The reasons I see the NFC leadership are not listening to their members is the old story of greed. Before this started gouging was the order of the day. 20 mil rents, 15% refine taxes etc. Where has all this gone?
FLA have put up more POS's in defence of one system than NFC have deployed in the defence of the entire region!
NFC leadership have left us with little choice but to persue their complete removal, for the good of all residents.
Once they have been sent packing, refine rates will be set to just 2%, just enough to cover the cost of maintaining sovereignty.
That way, we believe the people who should really benefit from the region, the individual pilots, will do so.
Just a closing note, EVE never ceases to amaze me. Last night, in the middle of a gate camp with carnage, bubbles, explosions everywhere, I was convoed by an ISS Noob who said "I can see you're busy, but do you mind if I mine here for a while?"
Priceless ;)
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Marsha11
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Warlord2004
Originally by: Idunyken
If we were to stop fighting we'de make a great team...don'tcha think?
ID
Well I have to ask.... why are you saying this to FLA and not to your leaders?
I think that the people in NFC who dont wanna fight should join the FLA, we would soon see these 'leaders' drop a brick then...
"OK guys we have decided to attack again, what we are goin to...... erm... guys... oh fudge"
Mwhahaha
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Top Quote
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
There must be another handfull of corps out there with our names cause I swear that according to many on these forums we are all insignificant, and only gank.
Far as your thanks goes, np it has been and will continue to be fun long as NFC thinks its their way or the highway.
I'd just like to say honestly and frankly... I don't know stab eden to talk to... and you guys only get as much flack as you do because you do it well.
I find you to be excellent opponents and have a geniune amount of respect for you skills.
However the smack leaves something to be desired.. but then If that went i'd have to consider that i might actually like you guys... so keep up the good work.. everyone needs a nemesis.
"Arrogance and Stupidity all in one package - How efficent of you commander"
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Trinity Trixx
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:12:00 -
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Thanks FLA - it's been more than a pleasure working side by side with you guys as well. It's been a treat watching an industrialist alliance (with no real desire by the majority of the pilots to PvP) step right up to the plate without hesitation and morph into a force to be reckoned with in just a short period of time. I would also like to mention that FLA have had Alek and BE barking orders at them left and right since our arrival. Very very little complaining on your part... which is testimony it and of itself to your character. A grumble here or there is trivial really, and look at your results: 3JN-Y.
In fact, I had the pleasure of listening on TS to a small squadron of FLA pilots gather forces to aide a solo pilot stranded and surrounded by hostiles. There was no hesitation to help rather, they moved out immediately. They did, in fact, secure the system and retrieve the pilot with no losses. I'm not 100% sure about kills, so I won't mention any (and it's a moot point really - their objective had been completed). The point is, FLA are no longer the cute little carebears everyone knows them to be. Some would do good to take this information to heart.
I have not had the displeasure of being a part of the peace talks (due to outside circumstances) and thank goodness for that. As spokesperson for our alliance, I am filled in each day and must say I am highly disturbed about the lack of progress up to this point.
Most people know that I don't mince words and I will not start now - NFC, you really need to pull your collective heads out of your collective butts and take a good hard look at the landscape - the big picture:
1) FLA are not leaving Dek.
2) 3JN-Y will not be leaving FLA control anytime soon
3) FLA has only EVER wanted to live in peace in a region they call home and HAVE called home for a long time
4) Numerous NFC pilots are upset by the current state of affairs and see what's going on for what it is. Those pilots should put pressure on their leaders to make a change in the right direction.
5) NFC leadership should reign in their pride because the old saying "Pride cometh before the fall" has not been around for thousands of years because it is NOT true - it is, without a doubt, 100% true.
6) As the days without peace drag on, many corporations outside of FLA and NFC who live in and around Dek themselves are beginning to see NFC for what they really are and if you want to save face in any small way, NFC had better act quickly to resolve this situation.
7) Final note because I've seen it said on the forums a number of times and I'd like to clear it up. FLA took 3JN-Y because as an ALLIANCE, they had NO home, NO where to dock in their home region. As an alliance that has called Dek home for as long as they have, this was unacceptable, especially considering they'd been locked out of stations all throughout Dek with billions of ISK worth of their Alliance, Corporation, and personal items suddenly unreachable. That is so underhanded, you have no idea NFC and the fact that FLA wishes to still consider peace with you after that is a GREAT TESTIMONY TO THEIR CHARACTER!! Because - personally - I would have your flippin you-know-what on a skillet if it were me!
It's your choice really NFC. You know the score. You want to lose Deklein - keep acting like a bunch of spoiled children. You'd really better start being resonable because I can promise you, if you don't - you WILL lose the region and you WILL be kicked out. Now, you might say... well if FLA surely doesn't want peace if they are so willing to erradicate NFC from the area. Quite the opposite really... they DO want peace with NFC, but with the current actions of NFC to be so unwillling to compromise after FLA's generous offer... ask yourself this - would YOU want NFC to remain in the region after the deceit, the betrayal, and the total unwilllingness to compromise? Seriously...would you want someone like that as your next-door neighbor???
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Cockroach
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:32:00 -
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Ive known most Burn Eden/Penetrate members for the best part of 2 years now and you guys still make me feel like a complete noob everytime i fly with you, even with my own experience in the game And DOFA, Shado too. You guys rock, nuff said...... Oh Apart from if Trinity is in gang, i want out, i just cant control my damn ship when shes on TS, hmmm or anything else, maybe BE should give her to NFC oh and dont worry Frag i dont believe all the rumours they tell me about your sexual oriantation.
My respect to Idunyken and Top Q for their comments.
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Tharg
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tharg on 18/05/2006 12:48:54
Edited by: Tharg on 18/05/2006 12:47:17
Wow nice post Trinity...
Just wanted to add to my comrades posts on this thread.
Big respect to Burn Eden, DofA and Shado especially, we have learnt a hell of a lot from you in the short time you have been flying up here in Dek. Voice comms have been interesting to say the least and I've enjoyed the banter. Your training has been invaluable to us all, and your friendship second to none.
I for one beleive we are in great debt to you and when the day comes that you ever need assistance I will very gladly fly by your side once again. Just call.
....it has been a pleasure. Thankyou and Yaaaaarrrr!
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.18 13:15:00 -
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Doctorgonzo once told me that eve is all about leaving your mark. I think that has been done.
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M'aressi malakia
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Posted - 2006.05.18 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dragonmorph
Once they have been sent packing, refine rates will be set to just 2%, just enough to cover the cost of maintaining sovereignty.
That way, we believe the people who should really benefit from the region, the individual pilots, will do so.
2% refining tax? ONLY? AND the ability to create jump clones. You will be receiving an application shortly
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Idunyken
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Posted - 2006.05.18 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dragonmorph
The reasons I see the NFC leadership are not listening to their members is the old story of greed. Before this started gouging was the order of the day. 20 mil rents, 15% refine taxes etc. Where has all this gone?
1) To clear up confusion, that was the case under IRON. NFC refine tax is only 5% and lowering that in the future was always on the cards.
Originally by: Dragonmorph
FLA have put up more POS's in defence of one system than NFC have deployed in the defence of the entire region!
2) Simply untrue  (no you're not getting juicy details BoB)
Originally by: Dragonmorph
Once they have been sent packing, refine rates will be set to just 2%, just enough to cover the cost of maintaining sovereignty.
3) see 1)
Originally by: Dragonmorph
Just a closing note, EVE never ceases to amaze me. Last night, in the middle of a gate camp with carnage, bubbles, explosions everywhere, I was convoed by an ISS Noob who said "I can see you're busy, but do you mind if I mine here for a while?"
Priceless ;)
lol! <3 Eve
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Sypher313
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Posted - 2006.05.18 16:49:00 -
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peeps in this cluster of ours have been underestimating DOA and BE specifically for years usually to their own undoing and ship loss. They do so at their own peril.
I have been allied and flown with DOA in the past and they are as you have stated a damn good bunch to call your friends.
As with any action in this universe there is always a reaction to that action, FLA being in a dispute/war and the fact that their freinds showed up was not unexpected by me. The moment hostilities broke out i knew it was only a matter of time until DOA/Penetrate/Shadow & BE would be up here in Dek helping their friends.
That is a large part of this Universe, having peeps you can call "Friend" that will help you when in need.
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:01:00 -
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Eve doesnt work if BE are liked
400x120@24000 bytes Max please. -Capsicum
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ShyLion
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:48:00 -
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Dammit Trinity - that post of yours.... amazing .... - Marry Me!!!!
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What is the difference between genius and stupidity? Genius has limits. - Albert Einstein.
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Clansman
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:38:00 -
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\signed.
CM
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:39:00 -
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Happy to help.
With the way it's going, soon NFC will have nothing to bargain about.
And yes, the only times I've seen us outnumber NFC is at the end of a night when we've already killed most of their fleet, losing of course almost nothing.
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Hesprax
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:45:00 -
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To be fair, not engaging the a 95-100 man NFC fleet in a head on pitched battle with 35 of our own is probably the smarter way to play ...dying a glorious death has it's attractions, but not dying at all is preferable, not to mention cheaper. |
Tarphon
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Posted - 2006.05.18 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dragonmorph
Just a closing note, EVE never ceases to amaze me. Last night, in the middle of a gate camp with carnage, bubbles, explosions everywhere, I was convoed by an ISS Noob who said "I can see you're busy, but do you mind if I mine here for a while?"
Priceless ;)
ROFLMFAO
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Idunyken
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Posted - 2006.05.18 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Idunyken on 18/05/2006 23:09:38
Originally by: Masta Killa
And yes, the only times I've seen us outnumber NFC is at the end of a night when we've already killed most of their fleet, losing of course almost nothing.
Uhhh, no.
By the end of the night we have both scored kills in the single figures, the BE/FLA fleet has mostly logged off after they run out of angles of attack. Then when NFC numbers drop enough you all log back in and we're chased out (if we haven't got bored and left already).
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.05.18 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Idunyken
In the later POS war that successfully took 3jn, every time an NFC fleet came up to fight any opposing force on the gate were quickly scattered and hours of light skirmishing ensued resulting in an eventual mass logoff of BE, a diminishing of NFC gang numbers then BE logging back in, outnumbering us and forcing us to leave.
A) There was no pos war. If you wanna know what a pos war is go ask an RA or Five member what a pos war is.
B) Using guerilla tactics we've killed about 117 battleships from NFC and it's allies in a little over 2 weeks and lost TWO bs. If you don't believe it, consult our killboard. How exactly have you "scattered us every time we engaged, with losses on both sides"?
C) Burn Eden has 12 members; 9 of which were active when 3jn was taken and at no point during our fighting did our corpchat exceed 5 people. Are you saying that an NFC fleet has been outnumbered by 5 people? You probably weren't, because almost everything you said were lies.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.18 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Idunyken
Edited by: Idunyken on 18/05/2006 23:09:38
Originally by: Masta Killa
And yes, the only times I've seen us outnumber NFC is at the end of a night when we've already killed most of their fleet, losing of course almost nothing.
Uhhh, no.
By the end of the night we have both scored kills in the single figures, the BE/FLA fleet has mostly logged off after they run out of angles of attack. Then when NFC numbers drop enough you all log back in and we're chased out (if we haven't got bored and left already).
That statement is half-truths and hear say.
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Sun Cei
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Posted - 2006.05.19 00:05:00 -
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Why does Burn Eden compare their kills to that of a fleet?
It's apples and oranges, 12 or so pilots with 1k targets.. gee let me think what the odds might look like.
You scatter because you use gurilla tactics.. it is part of the tactic!
Hit and run.
It is in your corps very nature to have a high kill ratio, quit belaboring the obvious.
If anything every one of these FLA threads smells like propaganda to me. Entertaining to read but not as good a BoB's press corp. Even though you seem to have some NFC eating out of your hands.. so props for that.
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DoaSparks
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Posted - 2006.05.19 00:32:00 -
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It is my pleasure to be flying with you guys, This last week has been a blast:)
Nice top be back up in dek.
Sparks
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.05.19 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Idunyken
Edited by: Idunyken on 18/05/2006 23:09:38
Originally by: Masta Killa
And yes, the only times I've seen us outnumber NFC is at the end of a night when we've already killed most of their fleet, losing of course almost nothing.
Uhhh, no.
By the end of the night we have both scored kills in the single figures, the BE/FLA fleet has mostly logged off after they run out of angles of attack. Then when NFC numbers drop enough you all log back in and we're chased out (if we haven't got bored and left already).
That statement is half-truths and hear say.
No it's not. It's the absolute truth from a dedicated player who has been personaly present at every fleet engagement since this war began.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.19 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister
No it's not. It's the absolute truth from a dedicated player who has been personaly present at every fleet engagement since this war began.
OK well fact 1) We scored double-figure kills. That prooves that wrong.
2) You say we logged after we ran out of angles of attack. That was also wrong. We logged to take a break and let your numbers cool down. At this point we were outnumbered 3:1
3) After some of your 'dedicated' members left, you still outnumbered us by 1.5:1. After we engaged half your fleet at a safespot and killed 8 or 9 bs, you guys left.
Hence what you said wasn't true, it was made up of half truths and hear say. You heard this and saw this and put 2 + 2 together to make 5.
Hence I was right.
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Assassin 2
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Posted - 2006.05.19 09:11:00 -
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Edited by: Assassin 2 on 19/05/2006 09:12:45
as i live in the north, id thought id add my little mixture to the cookie pot. Professionalism? BE and Alektrophobia? sorry m8 dont wish to rain on your parade but fitting 2-3 WCS's on cruisers aint professional.
its merely ganks and runs what they are achieving in the north. something that anybody could do with WCS. but i guess their whole publicity is based around the fact they dont get caught because of this. lol no professionals here.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.19 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Assassin 2
Edited by: Assassin 2 on 19/05/2006 09:12:45
as i live in the north, id thought id add my little mixture to the cookie pot. Professionalism? BE and Alektrophobia? sorry m8 dont wish to rain on your parade but fitting 2-3 WCS's on cruisers aint professional.
its merely ganks and runs what they are achieving in the north. something that anybody could do with WCS. but i guess their whole publicity is based around the fact they dont get caught because of this. lol no professionals here.
Edit - typos
We have won every single fight so far that didn't end in a stalemate. Every single fight has been outnumbered. In simple terms we are better than you.
When 10 bs + all their support make an interceptor doing 6k primary target and shoot him for a whole minute, while another gang kills them 1 by 1, you have a serious problem.
WCS or no WCS, we are owning NFC (are u in NFC?).
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Assassin 2
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Posted - 2006.05.19 09:59:00 -
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look at my ticker mr Ra.
im no way affiliated with any of these alliances. they are all targets to me. Fresh explosions waiting to happen.
So i think that answers your question ;) im no NFC
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Assassin 2
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Posted - 2006.05.19 10:00:00 -
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oh and claiming your better then doom. is quite an amusing claim. considering we destroy our targets with precision tactics without using stabs. i think that may actually place us in the higher ranking position.
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Kuang
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Posted - 2006.05.19 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: ShyLion
Dammit Trinity - that post of yours.... amazing .... - Marry Me!!!!
Had a tear in my eye after reading such a great post ... dam good post
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.05.19 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Tozmeister
No it's not. It's the absolute truth from a dedicated player who has been personaly present at every fleet engagement since this war began.
OK well fact 1) We scored double-figure kills. That prooves that wrong.
2) You say we logged after we ran out of angles of attack. That was also wrong. We logged to take a break and let your numbers cool down. At this point we were outnumbered 3:1
3) After some of your 'dedicated' members left, you still outnumbered us by 1.5:1. After we engaged half your fleet at a safespot and killed 8 or 9 bs, you guys left.
Hence what you said wasn't true, it was made up of half truths and hear say. You heard this and saw this and put 2 + 2 together to make 5.
Hence I was right.
Again, no.
check FLA's killboard for the time of this battle (Saturday 13th, from 1800 to midnight) and you'll see your kills totaled 3 ships (1BS and 2 support). I'd check BE's killboard but they don't go back that far, so i'll use FLA's as a point of reference.
we, at that time had about 35 ships in our gang vs your 20 or so (thats about 1.5:1 ratio). Not a massive numerical advantage but definately significant in our favour.
You guys logged off to let our 'numbers cool', which they did. by about half. then you all logged back in and busted a safespot where our half strength fleet was laying up in which YOU outnumbered US about 1.5:1.
Don't belive me? check the killboards and most important check this fraps by your own cov-ops pilot that clearly shows 17 NFC vs (approx) 25 FLA
http://www.battleclinic.com/cue/fraps/SS_Bust_14_5_06.avi
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Posted - 2006.05.19 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: MrCue on 19/05/2006 10:49:04
Linkage
If im not mistaken, thats 7 BS and 1 cruiser down.
Feel free to count your pods/corpses.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Assassin 2
Edited by: Assassin 2 on 19/05/2006 09:12:45
as i live in the north, id thought id add my little mixture to the cookie pot. Professionalism? BE and Alektrophobia? sorry m8 dont wish to rain on your parade but fitting 2-3 WCS's on cruisers aint professional.
its merely ganks and runs what they are achieving in the north. something that anybody could do with WCS. but i guess their whole publicity is based around the fact they dont get caught because of this. lol no professionals here.
Edit - typos
I think the EVE community needs to get over the whole WCS thing.
Its getting old and its like you expect us to change...
If we wanna clog up our 100mil BS's with WCS so a cheap 200k rifter cant scramble us i think thats quite OK and i wont be changing how i fit my ships just because the forums tell me im not professional. Yeah damn right im not professional im a regular lad who doesn't see the need to play a game so seriously that i have to comment on how un-ethical i see it that people should fit a certain mod on their ships.
Get over yourselves...
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Posted - 2006.05.19 12:20:00 -
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Quite so MrCue. props to you on a job well done.
But I belive you will agree me that in that encounter you clearly do out number the NFC forces and Shin Ra's claim of 1.5:1 ratio in favour of NFC is a lie.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 12:30:00 -
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If memory serves me right, the gangs on both sides (at warp-in) were roughly equal in size, we may have had a few (2-4) more people, the rest were still shooting the station.
50% of your fleet warped out, leaving you outnumbered.
All i can say is thank CCP for interdictors, without them we may have only got 1 or 2.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister
Quite so MrCue. props to you on a job well done.
But I belive you will agree me that in that encounter you clearly do out number the NFC forces and Shin Ra's claim of 1.5:1 ratio in favour of NFC is a lie.
Your entire fleet was not in that safespot. Probably over 90% were tho. A lot of them warped out, leaving the people caught in the buble to get ganked by us. Before that tho, we did not outnumber you.
And either way will still owned you and took the station.
And finally, we do not have a coalition killboard here so all mails are split up. We try to copy as many over as possible between the diff corps/alliances but its not always possible so you cannot use ours a reference point for such a statement. Moreover, I think the fact that our 10 man corp is the top corporation of the NFC killboard (despite not being in the alliance nor posting there) means that us > you.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 13:03:00 -
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Yes, I agree with that first part. that was 90% of our forces in system at that time.
all 17 of them.
pause the video at the start and count. pause the video again when FLA warp in and count them.
17 vs 25 I make it, thats 1.5:1 in your favour.
half the NFC manage to warp out.
It's now 9 vs 25, 2.75:1 roughly and a NFC takes loses.
but please, show me in that video at what point you are outnumbered by us....?
and as said in my previous post, I wasn't using your boards as a reference point, I was using FLA's
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Posted - 2006.05.19 13:08:00 -
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I think that the only important thing is that e-peens stop getting waved and the leaders of NFC an FLA come to peace before the region (and both sides) are left in rags and some third party just waltz's in and takes over.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 13:23:00 -
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FREE Explorer has been ordered by our acting CEO (SweatySack has a bad case of the clap) to adopt D2's and the Fade residents policy on NFC and FLA.
We're no longer authorized to participate in NFC gangs, but we are authorized to use force if FLA and friends are seen in Fade.
We just can't see any sense in fighting for an alliance that is so out of touch with reality.
The reality is that FLA has just as much rights to Deklein as NFC. IRON did not formally hand off the region. They said "Whoever takes it takes it" and FLA took it with NFC as a member of NFC.
So, uh, yeah.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 13:36:00 -
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Yes MrCue, we should stop waving e-peens about.
A good starting point would be this post of yours from further up the page....
Originally by: MrCue
Edited by: MrCue on 19/05/2006 10:49:04
Linkage
If im not mistaken, thats 7 BS and 1 cruiser down.
Feel free to count your pods/corpses.
Interesting U-turn in a matter of hours there.....
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Posted - 2006.05.19 13:41:00 -
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I wasn't the person who posted the video initialy, i only corrected someone elses "facts".
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.05.19 13:52:00 -
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You were the first person to link your own video on these forums. just not in this particular thread.
more importantly, It's the 2 lines after the link I was refering to....
Originally by: MrCue
Edited by: MrCue on 19/05/2006 10:49:04
If im not mistaken, thats 7 BS and 1 cruiser down.
Feel free to count your pods/corpses.
1h 19mins later....
Originally by: MrCue
I think that the only important thing is that e-peens stop getting waved....
like I said, U-turn.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: MrCue on 19/05/2006 14:09:32
Edited by: MrCue on 19/05/2006 14:04:52
Originally by: Tozmeister
Don't belive me? check the killboards and most important check this fraps by your own cov-ops pilot that clearly shows 17 NFC vs (approx) 25 FLA
http://www.battleclinic.com/cue/fraps/SS_Bust_14_5_06.avi
Your right, i was the first to post an actual link, however you posted the URL to it first, i just saved people the hastle of copy and pasting.
I watched the fraps and counted the ships only to correct your numbers that you posted of only 3 ships lost.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister
You were the first person to link your own video on these forums. just not in this particular thread.
more importantly, It's the 2 lines after the link I was refering to....
Originally by: MrCue
Edited by: MrCue on 19/05/2006 10:49:04
If im not mistaken, thats 7 BS and 1 cruiser down.
Feel free to count your pods/corpses.
1h 19mins later....
Originally by: MrCue
I think that the only important thing is that e-peens stop getting waved....
like I said, U-turn.
Simply put, we are better than you. I know it, you know it and everyone else in EVE knows it. If you guys come and try to say otherwise, we will remind you of why this is the case.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:16:00 -
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BE 4tw
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:18:00 -
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MrCue. sorry but you are mixed up here. if you read up you'll see that the '3 ship loss' refers to the time frame of 18:00 to midnight on saturday.
The loss at the safespot shown in your video occured at 00:49 hours.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:25:00 -
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Then i appologise for confusing the situation.
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:46:00 -
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"Better than you"...
Better than me personaly? my corp? my alliance?
Better how? more SP's? more killmails? have a higher moral code? make a better Lasagne?
I'll concede you guys have racked up the kills. but only because of the use of some fairly questionable tactics.
I'll escrow you a gold star for a job well done.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:48:00 -
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So what would you do if outnumbered 3:1 todmeizer? Imagine not flying in a large fleet but in a group of 6 or so pilots and tell me you wouldnt think about fitting a few stabs.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:11:00 -
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How about taking the chest-beating to a different thread?
Better yet, how about ceasing the chest-beating all together and focusing on getting this resolved.
Again... bring it back to the topic at hand, thanks again FLA for the awesome post. We are more than glad to help.
Trin
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister
"Better than you"...
Better than me personaly? my corp? my alliance?
Better how? more SP's? more killmails? have a higher moral code? make a better Lasagne?
I'll concede you guys have racked up the kills. but only because of the use of some fairly questionable tactics.
I'll escrow you a gold star for a job well done.
I accept your praise and welcome you to our fanclub with open arms.
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:38:00 -
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Chest-beating? there are 5 threads on the go by FLA and friends about how you are the victims/NFC will be thrown out/none of d2's business.
Very few NFC have replied because we are leaving it to our leaders to negotiate rather than bring it to the forums.
Only me and a couple of others have broken ranks because of the constant one way properganda war that I can't just sit back and watch happen.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister
Chest-beating? there are 5 threads on the go by FLA and friends about how you are the victims/NFC will be thrown out/none of d2's business.
Two are active - the other's need to fade away.
Originally by: Tozmeister
...that I can't just sit back and watch happen.
You can't sit back and listen to the truth? I'd have to say, that a thread that was started by thanking us is really not the place for gripes. In case you haven't noticed by the posts that so many of us have made already - Shin Ra, Heero, Frag, myself etc - we all want this resolved. I think it's gone beyond who did what to whom when - get over it and get it resolved. Period. The chest-beating and the 'we are more uber than you' can either to into another thread now or wait until the issue at hand is dealt with.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:14:00 -
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Hi Trin, nice seeing you in roir local last night :D
I came across an FLA raptor in Cloud Ring early last night. I was in my inty killing stabber and would have wiped the floor with the pilot but I won't agress FLA or their friends unless I come across them in or around L-C3o7
I'd like to thank the people on FLA's side for returning the favor and not blowing me up a little later on.
FREE Explorer's stance on this little misundestanding has changed to that of neutrality as we can't fight on the side of a completely unreasonable group.
FLA has very much the same rights to Deklein as NFC and they should be treated as such.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Laboratus on 19/05/2006 16:59:41
I would like to take this opportunity to thank our friends in Burn Eden, Drones of Annihilation, Penetrate and Shadow Company.
Having you at our side in these dire times is much appriciated. In dire times you really find out who your true friends are.
I have learned alot from you and flying with you has been as fun as it has been educational.
Thanks.
-Lab
P.S. Edit note: Fixed typos.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Hi Trin, nice seeing you in roir local last night :D
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Always a pleasure seeing old friends in local :)
Trin
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Posted - 2006.05.30 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister
"Better than you"...
Better than me personaly? my corp? my alliance?
Better how? more SP's? more killmails? have a higher moral code? make a better Lasagne?
I'll concede you guys have racked up the kills. but only because of the use of some fairly questionable tactics.
I'll escrow you a gold star for a job well done.
i make better lasange than all of you!
Anyway, On a more serious note, Its good to see FLA and NFC working together in deklin as of late. My corp was waiting for the war to end before joining as we have plenty of friends on both sides and didnt want to fight people we were on good terms with.
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Posted - 2006.05.31 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister
"Better than you"...
Better than me personaly? my corp? my alliance?
Better how? more SP's? more killmails? have a higher moral code? make a better Lasagne?
I'll concede you guys have racked up the kills. but only because of the use of some fairly questionable tactics.
I'll escrow you a gold star for a job well done.
all is fair in love and war, its a famous saying i agree with. people arguing that certain tactics are lame is just people voicing their frustration. Just my opinion.
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Posted - 2006.05.31 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Darknesss
Originally by: Tozmeister
"Better than you"...
Better than me personaly? my corp? my alliance?
Better how? more SP's? more killmails? have a higher moral code? make a better Lasagne?
I'll concede you guys have racked up the kills. but only because of the use of some fairly questionable tactics.
I'll escrow you a gold star for a job well done.
all is fair in love and war, its a famous saying i agree with. people arguing that certain tactics are lame is just people voicing their frustration. Just my opinion.
QFT
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Posted - 2006.06.01 00:41:00 -
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Dunno bout some of the groups posting in here but I can honestly say from experience that DoA from my perspective in historical operations in Pure Blind have always been a stand up corporation. They stick to their ideas and hold their ground on their word plus they have _alot_ of damned bubbles when they gate camp lol. Anyway good to see some old faces floating around still. Maybe some day we'll get together in ROIR for ****s and giggles and toss down a few quafe (beers) for old times sake :)
Remember the toes you step on today are still connected to the arse you may have to kiss tomorrow.
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