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Clansman
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:38:00 -
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Lofdaedum sceal in maegpa gehwaere man gepeon |
Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:39:00 -
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Happy to help.
With the way it's going, soon NFC will have nothing to bargain about.
And yes, the only times I've seen us outnumber NFC is at the end of a night when we've already killed most of their fleet, losing of course almost nothing.
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Hesprax
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:45:00 -
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To be fair, not engaging the a 95-100 man NFC fleet in a head on pitched battle with 35 of our own is probably the smarter way to play  ...dying a glorious death has it's attractions, but not dying at all is preferable, not to mention cheaper. |
Tarphon
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Posted - 2006.05.18 22:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Dragonmorph
Just a closing note, EVE never ceases to amaze me. Last night, in the middle of a gate camp with carnage, bubbles, explosions everywhere, I was convoed by an ISS Noob who said "I can see you're busy, but do you mind if I mine here for a while?"
Priceless ;)
ROFLMFAO
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Idunyken
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Posted - 2006.05.18 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Idunyken on 18/05/2006 23:09:38
Originally by: Masta Killa
And yes, the only times I've seen us outnumber NFC is at the end of a night when we've already killed most of their fleet, losing of course almost nothing.
Uhhh, no.
By the end of the night we have both scored kills in the single figures, the BE/FLA fleet has mostly logged off after they run out of angles of attack. Then when NFC numbers drop enough you all log back in and we're chased out (if we haven't got bored and left already).
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.05.18 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Idunyken
In the later POS war that successfully took 3jn, every time an NFC fleet came up to fight any opposing force on the gate were quickly scattered and hours of light skirmishing ensued resulting in an eventual mass logoff of BE, a diminishing of NFC gang numbers then BE logging back in, outnumbering us and forcing us to leave.
A) There was no pos war. If you wanna know what a pos war is go ask an RA or Five member what a pos war is.
B) Using guerilla tactics we've killed about 117 battleships from NFC and it's allies in a little over 2 weeks and lost TWO bs. If you don't believe it, consult our killboard. How exactly have you "scattered us every time we engaged, with losses on both sides"?
C) Burn Eden has 12 members; 9 of which were active when 3jn was taken and at no point during our fighting did our corpchat exceed 5 people. Are you saying that an NFC fleet has been outnumbered by 5 people? You probably weren't, because almost everything you said were lies.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.18 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Idunyken
Edited by: Idunyken on 18/05/2006 23:09:38
Originally by: Masta Killa
And yes, the only times I've seen us outnumber NFC is at the end of a night when we've already killed most of their fleet, losing of course almost nothing.
Uhhh, no.
By the end of the night we have both scored kills in the single figures, the BE/FLA fleet has mostly logged off after they run out of angles of attack. Then when NFC numbers drop enough you all log back in and we're chased out (if we haven't got bored and left already).
That statement is half-truths and hear say.
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Sun Cei
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Posted - 2006.05.19 00:05:00 -
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Why does Burn Eden compare their kills to that of a fleet?
It's apples and oranges, 12 or so pilots with 1k targets.. gee let me think what the odds might look like.
You scatter because you use gurilla tactics.. it is part of the tactic!
Hit and run.
It is in your corps very nature to have a high kill ratio, quit belaboring the obvious.
If anything every one of these FLA threads smells like propaganda to me. Entertaining to read but not as good a BoB's press corp. Even though you seem to have some NFC eating out of your hands.. so props for that.
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DoaSparks
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Posted - 2006.05.19 00:32:00 -
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It is my pleasure to be flying with you guys, This last week has been a blast:)
Nice top be back up in dek.
Sparks
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.05.19 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Idunyken
Edited by: Idunyken on 18/05/2006 23:09:38
Originally by: Masta Killa
And yes, the only times I've seen us outnumber NFC is at the end of a night when we've already killed most of their fleet, losing of course almost nothing.
Uhhh, no.
By the end of the night we have both scored kills in the single figures, the BE/FLA fleet has mostly logged off after they run out of angles of attack. Then when NFC numbers drop enough you all log back in and we're chased out (if we haven't got bored and left already).
That statement is half-truths and hear say.
No it's not. It's the absolute truth from a dedicated player who has been personaly present at every fleet engagement since this war began.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.19 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister
No it's not. It's the absolute truth from a dedicated player who has been personaly present at every fleet engagement since this war began.
OK well fact 1) We scored double-figure kills. That prooves that wrong.
2) You say we logged after we ran out of angles of attack. That was also wrong. We logged to take a break and let your numbers cool down. At this point we were outnumbered 3:1
3) After some of your 'dedicated' members left, you still outnumbered us by 1.5:1. After we engaged half your fleet at a safespot and killed 8 or 9 bs, you guys left.
Hence what you said wasn't true, it was made up of half truths and hear say. You heard this and saw this and put 2 + 2 together to make 5.
Hence I was right.
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Assassin 2
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Posted - 2006.05.19 09:11:00 -
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Edited by: Assassin 2 on 19/05/2006 09:12:45
as i live in the north, id thought id add my little mixture to the cookie pot. Professionalism? BE and Alektrophobia? sorry m8 dont wish to rain on your parade but fitting 2-3 WCS's on cruisers aint professional.
its merely ganks and runs what they are achieving in the north. something that anybody could do with WCS. but i guess their whole publicity is based around the fact they dont get caught because of this. lol no professionals here.
Edit - typos
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.19 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Assassin 2
Edited by: Assassin 2 on 19/05/2006 09:12:45
as i live in the north, id thought id add my little mixture to the cookie pot. Professionalism? BE and Alektrophobia? sorry m8 dont wish to rain on your parade but fitting 2-3 WCS's on cruisers aint professional.
its merely ganks and runs what they are achieving in the north. something that anybody could do with WCS. but i guess their whole publicity is based around the fact they dont get caught because of this. lol no professionals here.
Edit - typos
We have won every single fight so far that didn't end in a stalemate. Every single fight has been outnumbered. In simple terms we are better than you.
When 10 bs + all their support make an interceptor doing 6k primary target and shoot him for a whole minute, while another gang kills them 1 by 1, you have a serious problem.
WCS or no WCS, we are owning NFC (are u in NFC?).
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Assassin 2
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Posted - 2006.05.19 09:59:00 -
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look at my ticker mr Ra.
im no way affiliated with any of these alliances. they are all targets to me. Fresh explosions waiting to happen.
So i think that answers your question ;) im no NFC
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Assassin 2
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Posted - 2006.05.19 10:00:00 -
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oh and claiming your better then doom. is quite an amusing claim. considering we destroy our targets with precision tactics without using stabs. i think that may actually place us in the higher ranking position.
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Kuang
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Posted - 2006.05.19 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: ShyLion
Dammit Trinity - that post of yours.... amazing .... - Marry Me!!!!
Had a tear in my eye after reading such a great post ... dam good post
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.05.19 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Tozmeister
No it's not. It's the absolute truth from a dedicated player who has been personaly present at every fleet engagement since this war began.
OK well fact 1) We scored double-figure kills. That prooves that wrong.
2) You say we logged after we ran out of angles of attack. That was also wrong. We logged to take a break and let your numbers cool down. At this point we were outnumbered 3:1
3) After some of your 'dedicated' members left, you still outnumbered us by 1.5:1. After we engaged half your fleet at a safespot and killed 8 or 9 bs, you guys left.
Hence what you said wasn't true, it was made up of half truths and hear say. You heard this and saw this and put 2 + 2 together to make 5.
Hence I was right.
Again, no.
check FLA's killboard for the time of this battle (Saturday 13th, from 1800 to midnight) and you'll see your kills totaled 3 ships (1BS and 2 support). I'd check BE's killboard but they don't go back that far, so i'll use FLA's as a point of reference.
we, at that time had about 35 ships in our gang vs your 20 or so (thats about 1.5:1 ratio). Not a massive numerical advantage but definately significant in our favour.
You guys logged off to let our 'numbers cool', which they did. by about half. then you all logged back in and busted a safespot where our half strength fleet was laying up in which YOU outnumbered US about 1.5:1.
Don't belive me? check the killboards and most important check this fraps by your own cov-ops pilot that clearly shows 17 NFC vs (approx) 25 FLA
http://www.battleclinic.com/cue/fraps/SS_Bust_14_5_06.avi
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Make this boy shout, make this boy scream
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MrCue
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Posted - 2006.05.19 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: MrCue on 19/05/2006 10:49:04
Linkage
If im not mistaken, thats 7 BS and 1 cruiser down.
Feel free to count your pods/corpses.
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Marsha11
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Posted - 2006.05.19 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Assassin 2
Edited by: Assassin 2 on 19/05/2006 09:12:45
as i live in the north, id thought id add my little mixture to the cookie pot. Professionalism? BE and Alektrophobia? sorry m8 dont wish to rain on your parade but fitting 2-3 WCS's on cruisers aint professional.
its merely ganks and runs what they are achieving in the north. something that anybody could do with WCS. but i guess their whole publicity is based around the fact they dont get caught because of this. lol no professionals here.
Edit - typos
I think the EVE community needs to get over the whole WCS thing.
Its getting old and its like you expect us to change...
If we wanna clog up our 100mil BS's with WCS so a cheap 200k rifter cant scramble us i think thats quite OK and i wont be changing how i fit my ships just because the forums tell me im not professional. Yeah damn right im not professional im a regular lad who doesn't see the need to play a game so seriously that i have to comment on how un-ethical i see it that people should fit a certain mod on their ships.
Get over yourselves...
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.05.19 12:20:00 -
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Quite so MrCue. props to you on a job well done.
But I belive you will agree me that in that encounter you clearly do out number the NFC forces and Shin Ra's claim of 1.5:1 ratio in favour of NFC is a lie.
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MrCue
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Posted - 2006.05.19 12:30:00 -
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If memory serves me right, the gangs on both sides (at warp-in) were roughly equal in size, we may have had a few (2-4) more people, the rest were still shooting the station.
50% of your fleet warped out, leaving you outnumbered.
All i can say is thank CCP for interdictors, without them we may have only got 1 or 2.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.19 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister
Quite so MrCue. props to you on a job well done.
But I belive you will agree me that in that encounter you clearly do out number the NFC forces and Shin Ra's claim of 1.5:1 ratio in favour of NFC is a lie.
Your entire fleet was not in that safespot. Probably over 90% were tho. A lot of them warped out, leaving the people caught in the buble to get ganked by us. Before that tho, we did not outnumber you.
And either way will still owned you and took the station.
And finally, we do not have a coalition killboard here so all mails are split up. We try to copy as many over as possible between the diff corps/alliances but its not always possible so you cannot use ours a reference point for such a statement. Moreover, I think the fact that our 10 man corp is the top corporation of the NFC killboard (despite not being in the alliance nor posting there) means that us > you.
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.05.19 13:03:00 -
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Yes, I agree with that first part. that was 90% of our forces in system at that time.
all 17 of them.
pause the video at the start and count. pause the video again when FLA warp in and count them.
17 vs 25 I make it, thats 1.5:1 in your favour.
half the NFC manage to warp out.
It's now 9 vs 25, 2.75:1 roughly and a NFC takes loses.
but please, show me in that video at what point you are outnumbered by us....?
and as said in my previous post, I wasn't using your boards as a reference point, I was using FLA's
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MrCue
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Posted - 2006.05.19 13:08:00 -
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I think that the only important thing is that e-peens stop getting waved and the leaders of NFC an FLA come to peace before the region (and both sides) are left in rags and some third party just waltz's in and takes over.
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Zimi Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.05.19 13:23:00 -
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FREE Explorer has been ordered by our acting CEO (SweatySack has a bad case of the clap) to adopt D2's and the Fade residents policy on NFC and FLA.
We're no longer authorized to participate in NFC gangs, but we are authorized to use force if FLA and friends are seen in Fade.
We just can't see any sense in fighting for an alliance that is so out of touch with reality.
The reality is that FLA has just as much rights to Deklein as NFC. IRON did not formally hand off the region. They said "Whoever takes it takes it" and FLA took it with NFC as a member of NFC.
So, uh, yeah.
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.05.19 13:36:00 -
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Yes MrCue, we should stop waving e-peens about.
A good starting point would be this post of yours from further up the page....
Originally by: MrCue
Edited by: MrCue on 19/05/2006 10:49:04
Linkage
If im not mistaken, thats 7 BS and 1 cruiser down.
Feel free to count your pods/corpses.
Interesting U-turn in a matter of hours there.....
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The Braying sheep on my TV screen
Make this boy shout, make this boy scream
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MrCue
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Posted - 2006.05.19 13:41:00 -
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I wasn't the person who posted the video initialy, i only corrected someone elses "facts".
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Tozmeister
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Posted - 2006.05.19 13:52:00 -
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You were the first person to link your own video on these forums. just not in this particular thread.
more importantly, It's the 2 lines after the link I was refering to....
Originally by: MrCue
Edited by: MrCue on 19/05/2006 10:49:04
If im not mistaken, thats 7 BS and 1 cruiser down.
Feel free to count your pods/corpses.
1h 19mins later....
Originally by: MrCue
I think that the only important thing is that e-peens stop getting waved....
like I said, U-turn.
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The Braying sheep on my TV screen
Make this boy shout, make this boy scream
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MrCue
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: MrCue on 19/05/2006 14:09:32
Edited by: MrCue on 19/05/2006 14:04:52
Originally by: Tozmeister
Don't belive me? check the killboards and most important check this fraps by your own cov-ops pilot that clearly shows 17 NFC vs (approx) 25 FLA
http://www.battleclinic.com/cue/fraps/SS_Bust_14_5_06.avi
Your right, i was the first to post an actual link, however you posted the URL to it first, i just saved people the hastle of copy and pasting.
I watched the fraps and counted the ships only to correct your numbers that you posted of only 3 ships lost.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister
You were the first person to link your own video on these forums. just not in this particular thread.
more importantly, It's the 2 lines after the link I was refering to....
Originally by: MrCue
Edited by: MrCue on 19/05/2006 10:49:04
If im not mistaken, thats 7 BS and 1 cruiser down.
Feel free to count your pods/corpses.
1h 19mins later....
Originally by: MrCue
I think that the only important thing is that e-peens stop getting waved....
like I said, U-turn.
Simply put, we are better than you. I know it, you know it and everyone else in EVE knows it. If you guys come and try to say otherwise, we will remind you of why this is the case.
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