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Swethren	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:28:00 - [31] IIRC, there is a 8/10 and 10/10 in querious Swethren
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Nafri Well, a few month ago you could run those complexes even without using BMs to reach fountain. Doubt anything has changed. Reaching them isn't the problem. Reaching them before they get run, is. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:38:00 - [33] >>>Reaching them before they get run, is.>>>> Respawn with downtime only ? Downtime is shortly (1-2 hours) after noon for me - however, with flexible work times that means I can run em. And thx Swethren ! Have fun Ian
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:40:00 - [34] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 18/05/2006 14:42:38 Originally by: Swethren IIRC, there is a 8/10 and 10/10 in querious Swethren Incorrect, querious is Blood Raider space. Blood Raider space only has 6/10 complexes, of which querious has 2-3 only. You mean catch. As for getting to fountain in time (or other serpentis 10/10's. Forget that, they get run within the first hour after each downtime. And there's backup logged off there to deal with competitors as well. It's 0.0 space, not kindergarten.
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:49:00 - [35] Intresting thread ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =)
Lefevre	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:50:00 - [36] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nafri Well, a few month ago you could run those complexes even without using BMs to reach fountain. Doubt anything has changed. Reaching them isn't the problem. Reaching them before they get run, is. I'd disagree with that Diana.. In the last month I was in fountan and even got those for myself a few times.
Troye	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:03:00 - [37] Joining an alliance just to run their 10/10 plexs is the wrong reason to join. You have to be able to offer something in return to the alliance. What will you do if your alliance looses control of their 10/10 plexs? _______________________________________________
Karl Shade	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:10:00 - [38] Originally by: Evil Thug Intresting thread This just made me spurt coffe on my keyboard. Damn you Evil Thug. -
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:12:00 - [39] >>> You have to be able to offer something in return to the alliance. What will you do if your alliance looses control of their 10/10 plexs? >>>> What I offer in return is ME. My time and my skill. With time being the most precious commodity of all. If my alliance loses control of these plexes, I will do my part to regain the territory lost. Chances are high that once I have seen and experienced that high end complex content, I will look into other areas of EVE - like gang PvP or logistics in a warzone. By that time I would be able to fly capital ships if need be, which is another interesting possibility. What you really mean is ... will I be jumping from one corp to the other ? The answer is no. Not in this game, not in others. If a corp I am in starts to suck, I dont wander off but take an active role in making it better. Have fun Ian
Stormhold	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:13:00 - [40] Originally by: Ian Novarider >>> There is a 10/10 angel complex 6-7 jumps from the ISS outpost at the borders to immensea, B-R5RB. You get yourself 5-6 raiding buddies, and you can opperate from ISS station. Noone ever uses that plex anyway. There ain't.. a single alliance out there.. that whould let a new guy run a plex.>>>> Thanks ! ISS is an interesting concept. I am not yet convinced if it can work in the long run in the shark pond called EVE, but impressive milestones have been achieved. Have fun Ian Immensea is controlled by Chimaera Pact alliance, and you will risk yourself being shot by being in Immensea without correct standings set. Actually, I doubt you will find any safe complexing from anywhere. Also, finding a corporation or alliance just by seeking one nearby a high end complex isn't really intriguing for those corporations and alliances.

Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Lefevre Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nafri Well, a few month ago you could run those complexes even without using BMs to reach fountain. Doubt anything has changed. Reaching them isn't the problem. Reaching them before they get run, is. I'd disagree with that Diana.. In the last month I was in fountan and even got those for myself a few times. You're saying that getting to them before they're run is easy, lef? And why didn't you accept my convo / reply to my mail? Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
Murukan	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:28:00 - [42] Heh good luck running the 10/10 in B-R in immensea or the 8/10 in GM. Rat has their isk farmers in there 24/7, funny that it's the same people everytime. So being able to run one of those 2 complexes is like winning the lotto, 99.999999% chance it will be either in the process of being cleared or already is.
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Auman I would say your chances of using the complexes in our regions with our permission are pretty low. Your best chance is to convo Rift Scorn as frequently as possible to check. Maybe use a couple of alts in case he doesn't like the name Ian. Gah! posted with my alt Anyways, my Auman character is the one that takes care of all Complex farming Ian, so shoot him over a convo or spam his in box and i'll give it a look as soon as i check it. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03!
KIAPieman	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:39:00 - [44] Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Auman I would say your chances of using the complexes in our regions with our permission are pretty low. Your best chance is to convo Rift Scorn as frequently as possible to check. Maybe use a couple of alts in case he doesn't like the name Ian. Gah! posted with my alt Anyways, my Auman character is the one that takes care of all Complex farming Ian, so shoot him over a convo or spam his in box and i'll give it a look as soon as i check it. didnt you get Blacklights PM rift, your now doing all the passes mate. so convo RIFT SCORN. yes thats RIFT SCORN for all passes to run complex's --------------------------------------------------
Lefevre	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Dianabolic You're saying that getting to them before they're run is easy, lef? And why didn't you accept my convo / reply to my mail? Well its just about patience.. I got acces to them quite a few times in the 2 weeks I spend in the area. Never saw your mail/convo.. will send you a message ingame
Ribbo	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:41:00 - [46] Originally by: KIAPieman Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Auman I would say your chances of using the complexes in our regions with our permission are pretty low. Your best chance is to convo Rift Scorn as frequently as possible to check. Maybe use a couple of alts in case he doesn't like the name Ian. Gah! posted with my alt Anyways, my Auman character is the one that takes care of all Complex farming Ian, so shoot him over a convo or spam his in box and i'll give it a look as soon as i check it. didnt you get Blacklights PM rift, your now doing all the passes mate. so convo RIFT SCORN. yes thats RIFT SCORN for all passes to run complex's tbh i've seen him on as Auman for most of the week, to be safe, convo and evemail both of them. Happy to help. Ribbo - fanboi'ing eve-celebrities the world over.
KIAPieman	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Ribbo Originally by: KIAPieman Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Auman I would say your chances of using the complexes in our regions with our permission are pretty low. Your best chance is to convo Rift Scorn as frequently as possible to check. Maybe use a couple of alts in case he doesn't like the name Ian. Gah! posted with my alt Anyways, my Auman character is the one that takes care of all Complex farming Ian, so shoot him over a convo or spam his in box and i'll give it a look as soon as i check it. didnt you get Blacklights PM rift, your now doing all the passes mate. so convo RIFT SCORN. yes thats RIFT SCORN for all passes to run complex's tbh i've seen him on as Auman for most of the week, to be safe, convo and evemail both of them. Happy to help. Ribbo whislt your at it contact Ribbo as well as he needs somthing to do --------------------------------------------------
KennyRogers	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:48:00 - [48] I'm new, close to 1 mil SP and have done deadspaces 3/10 solo and 4/10 with corp mates. Why do people/corps/alliances have to hoard the higher ones? I understand the gate camping (boring) but would they let you try the deadspace complex or is it a corp thing only? I just want to experience everything the game has to offer.
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:53:00 - [49] The 10/10 complex in 16P-PX is only open to members of POS and ASCN. You could probably join POS, but you would then have to demonstrate 6 solid months of territory defense before recieving access to the complex. Most alliances place extreme value their complex assets. Individual/personal access to them without a history of the areas protection is simply not going to happen.
Rexy	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:59:00 - [50] the complexes take very long to respawn to a point where you can rerun the plex. and they bring in good money, wich is why alliances are so protective of the plex's

KennyRogers	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:02:00 - [51] Originally by: Halseth Durn The 10/10 complex in 16P-PX is only open to members of POS and ASCN. You could probably join POS, but you would then have to demonstrate 6 solid months of territory defense before recieving access to the complex. Most alliances place extreme value their complex assets. Individual/personal access to them without a history of the areas protection is simply not going to happen. So if I am getting this right. 1) I need to quit my corp and tell my buddies, sorry I want to do this complex so I have to join this corp instead. a) most of those corps/alliances are invite only - so how would you get an invite? I don't even know where these corps are located. 2) Gate camp for 6 months just to get access to it. what would you get in those places? a) if i am going to gate camp for 6 months it better be good. Why can't we all just get along people. =P
Stormhold	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:13:00 - [52] Originally by: KennyRogers Originally by: Halseth Durn The 10/10 complex in 16P-PX is only open to members of POS and ASCN. You could probably join POS, but you would then have to demonstrate 6 solid months of territory defense before recieving access to the complex. Most alliances place extreme value their complex assets. Individual/personal access to them without a history of the areas protection is simply not going to happen. So if I am getting this right. 1) I need to quit my corp and tell my buddies, sorry I want to do this complex so I have to join this corp instead. a) most of those corps/alliances are invite only - so how would you get an invite? I don't even know where these corps are located. 2) Gate camp for 6 months just to get access to it. what would you get in those places? a) if i am going to gate camp for 6 months it better be good. Why can't we all just get along people. =P You could as well (try to) go there and shoot down anyone who opposes you. 0.0 space is about risk and reward, if you risk yourself you get access to the goodies.
BoB Fanboi	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:28:00 - [53] High level complexes (8/10 and 10/10) are run by large alliances as a means of making isk for large scale projects. Individuals are RARELY allowed to run them for personal profit, because there's usually only 2 complete spawns per day (Right after DT, and a respawn sometime after 00:00). A Sansha 10/10 yields 500 mil per run in overseers effects, and also drops X-Type armor hardeners/reps, as well as an occasional nightmare BPC. This means taht a single run can yield up to 1.5 billion isk. The angel 10/10 yields 600 mil per run in overseers, and drops the x-type shield hardeners, boosters, and amps, as well as mach BPCs. The best drop I've ever seen off an angel 10/10 is a Gist X-Type Shield Booster (800 mil), a Mach BPC (450 mil), and a X-Type Shield Boost Amp (450 mil). This means that a really good run can yield 2.3 billion isk. I don't know how good the Serpentis overseer drops are, but I know that serpentis plexes drop core x-type reps/hardeners, and vindicator BPCs. As such, alliances keep them TIGHTLY regulated, and will fight very hard against encroachers on their isk making capabilities. Usually only a select few people are permitted in the plexes, and those people get to keep the bounties but have to turn in the loot and overseers to corp or alliance for large projects. -------------------------- Evemail me for an Official BoB Fanboi Badge!
King Leonidas	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:32:00 - [54] Edited by: King Leonidas on 18/05/2006 16:32:14 Don't evemail him ^ for an official fanboi badge. They are fakes. No one can apply to get the official fanboi badges, you either are a fanboi or you are not. Join the long list of lamers today officially STAMPED by the RKK computer as fanboi's and receive your free welcoming pack and badge. King
Touk	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:33:00 - [55] true storm. ppl have to understand that the space the complexs are in has been fought for and the alliances that claim it take great pride in this fact. NO ONE is gonna let you just walk into thier space and announce you want to ***** the plexs in thier space, thereby preventing thier own members from doing so. Ya may aswell just go there and ask them to give you free isk, it boils down to the same thing.
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2006.05.18 19:15:00 - [56] Edited by: Halseth Durn on 18/05/2006 19:17:46 Originally by: KennyRogers Originally by: Halseth Durn The 10/10 complex in 16P-PX is only open to members of POS and ASCN. You could probably join POS, but you would then have to demonstrate 6 solid months of territory defense before recieving access to the complex. Most alliances place extreme value their complex assets. Individual/personal access to them without a history of the areas protection is simply not going to happen. So if I am getting this right. 1) I need to quit my corp and tell my buddies, sorry I want to do this complex so I have to join this corp instead. a) most of those corps/alliances are invite only - so how would you get an invite? I don't even know where these corps are located. 2) Gate camp for 6 months just to get access to it. what would you get in those places? a) if i am going to gate camp for 6 months it better be good. Why can't we all just get along people. =P 1. Yes. The alternative = making your corp good enough to join an alliance that comtrols a complex. 1a. Try using some elbow grease and a little imagination. This game rewards people who reseach and take intitive. Information rules EVE and this forum is a gold mine of it. Those that complain about thier own lazyness/ignorance never achieve anything. 2.Instead of looking at regional defence as a boring chore, take some intitive and seek out those who may be raiding your territory. Get some good kills, and you can probably watch that 6 month wait period turn into 6 weeks or less. 2a. Again, change your attitude. Harvesting the resources of an area you are actively protecting on a daily basis is one of EVES most rewarding experiences. Doing it with friends and having a good laugh while your doing it triples the reward. If all you are looking for is a "payoff", you are probably better off harvesting bark in some fairy stroking game where you are told exactly how to play.
darth solo	Posted - 2006.05.19 10:25:00 - [57] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nafri Well, a few month ago you could run those complexes even without using BMs to reach fountain. Doubt anything has changed. Reaching them isn't the problem. Reaching them before they get run, is. log off just before DT... when servers come up enter complex, first stage no key required.... blow up ppl that are doing complex.. run complex yourself. d solo. not everyone has what it takes to be a member of celes, do you?. join here.
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.19 12:20:00 - [58] >>> blow up ppl that are doing complex >>> That would be the tricky part, no ? You can count on the "owners" of the high end complex logging in the same minute after downtime that you do. Sure it can be done - one would need a good team and go fast, before reenforcements arrive. My estimate for response time is 10 min , up to 30 if you have a decent team that needs the defender to assemble a sizable force. Could be 3 min if defender has logged out backup ships near complex entrance, but I doubt that this is a large force (however - a logged out dreadnought or carrier backup ship could be nasty surprise). Have fun Ian
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.05.19 12:24:00 - [59] No. Most alliances have a team that runs the complex ready at DT, just like you. You COULD try beating those, but chances are theyll all login second accounts with PvP setup Battleships who were logged off at the complex gate aswell, purely for that purpose. Fairly common trick. Do not discuss moderation on the forums - Cathath([email protected]) boohoo
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.19 13:14:00 - [60] >>>> Fairly common trick. >>>> Some will consider it a myth until their pod is warping out :-) Personally I am not certain that all high end complexes are defended that way. I think half the 10/10 are (IMHO). Some will have capital ships assigned. Will be interesting to find out the truth. The Serpentis high end complexes seem to allow capital ship access. For the others various opinions circulate here in the forum (with mostly "no" as the answer). Quite a few people claim to have soloed 10/10 in Eagles. Have fun Ian



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