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Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 12:25:00 - [1] Hi everyone, What group controls which high end complex (level 8-10) ? Which of them are in contested space ? Who should be contacted when someone wants to start running such complexes in a team on a regular basis looking for a challenge after soloing level 4 missions (with PvP a possibility, but not the main chosen field) ? Are there freelancer teams doing high end complex runs, but not bound to a territory ? The equivalent to a "raiding guild" in other MMORPGs. Have fun Ian Novarider (question coming from a 2 year EVE player, never joined a corp so far) 4LB-EL Insmother -0.3881 Cartel Prisoner Retention 8/10 Regular 5M2-KP Insmother -0.4001 Cartel Prisoner Retention 8/10 Regular AA-YRK Venal -0.4128 Pith's Penal Complex 8/10 Regular CS-ZGD Branch -0.4298 Pith's Penal Complex 8/10 Regular EK2-ET Venal -0.3330 Pith's Penal Complex 8/10 Regular FHB-QA Venal -0.3792 Pith's Penal Complex 8/10 Regular GM-0K7 Immensea -0.3869 Cartel Prisoner Detention 8/10 Regular IAS-I5 Detorid -0.3932 Cartel Prisoner Retention 8/10 Regular IAS-I5 Detorid -0.3932 Cartel Prisoner Retention 8/10 Regular J2-PZ6 Scalding Pass -0.3313 Cartel Prisoner Retention 8/10 Regular K-9UG4 Feythabolis -0.9735 Cartel Prisoner Retention 8/10 Regular KW-1MV Tenal -0.3007 Pith's Penal Complex 8/10 Regular NZPK-G Omist -0.4688 Cartel Prisoner Retention 8/10 Regular QKTR-L Geminate -0.3853 Pith's Penal Complex 8/10 Regular SV-K8J Geminate -0.3519 Pith's Penal Complex 8/10 Regular U-MFTL Detorid -0.3096 Cartel Prisoner Retention 8/10 Regular U-QMOA Cache -0.3061 Cartel Prisoner Retention 8/10 Regular ZZZR-5 Deklein -0.7508 Pith's Penal Complex 8/10 Regular 16P-PX Esoteria -0.7168 Centus Assembly T.P. Co. 10/10 Regular 4-07MU Catch -1.0000 Centus Assembly T.P. Co. 10/10 Regular 77S8-E Detorid -0.8198 Angel Cartel Naval Shipyard 10/10 Regular 7BX-6F Fountain -0.7629 Serpentis Fleet Shipyard 10/10 Regular A2V6-6 Outer Ring -0.8500 Serpentis Fleet Shipyard 10/10 Regular B-R5RB Immensea -0.7081 Angel Cartel Naval Shipyard 10/10 Regular D-FVI7 Esoteria -0.8092 Centus Assembly T.P. Co. 10/10 Regular E3-SDZ Catch -0.7570 Centus Assembly T.P. Co. 10/10 Regular GHZ-SJ Feythabolis -0.7223 Angel Cartel Naval Shipyard 10/10 Regular U93O-A Cache -0.8430 Angel Cartel Naval Shipyard 10/10 Regular UTKS-5 Syndicate -0.3672 Serpentis Fleet Shipyard 10/10 Regular WMH-SO Fountain -0.7106 Serpentis Fleet Shipyard 10/10 Regular WO-GC0 Scalding Pass -0.7894 Angel Cartel Naval Shipyard 10/10 Regular XZH-4X Cloud Ring -0.7510 Serpentis Fleet Shipyard 10/10 Regular Z-N9IP Impass -0.8001 Angel Cartel Naval Shipyard 10/10 Regular ZDYA-G Paragon Soul -1.0000 Centus Assembly T.P. Co. 10/10 Regular
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.05.18 12:31:00 - [2] What makes you think anyone is going to let you run complexes in their regions? They're pretty camped as it is. Do not discuss moderation on the forums - Cathath([email protected]) boohoo
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.05.18 12:33:00 - [3] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=331220 Originally by: Tamora its not the skills that make the eve player... its the smack that back him up
Nafri	Posted - 2006.05.18 12:35:00 - [4] try those in fountain, thy were always easiest to do, and thy are hardly camped. Summertime - Campingtime!
D4N13L J0NES	Posted - 2006.05.18 12:37:00 - [5] ASCN & AXE CONTROLED SPACE CONTAINS THE FOLLOWING COMPLEXES K-9UG4 Feythabolis -0.9735 Cartel Prisoner Retention 8/10 Regular GHZ-SJ Feythabolis -0.7223 Angel Cartel Naval Shipyard 10/10 Regular D-FVI7 Esoteria -0.8092 Centus Assembly T.P. Co. 10/10 Regular ZDYA-G Paragon Soul -1.0000 Centus Assembly T.P. Co. 10/10 Regular Z-N9IP Impass -0.8001 Angel Cartel Naval Shipyard 10/10 Regular
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 12:41:00 - [6] >>> What makes you think anyone is going to let you run complexes in their regions? They're pretty camped as it is. >>> Maybe those groups are still open for recruitment or will accept a freelancer battleship pilot into their ranks (21 mio skillpoints, no previous corp entanglements ...). But first I have to know whom to contact. Thanks for the link to the alliance territory control map - I knew it already. That would be my "fall back option" when responses from this thread are not giving the necessary information. Have fun Ian Novarider
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 12:43:00 - [7] >>ASCN & AXE CONTROLED SPACE CONTAINS THE FOLLOWING COMPLEXES>> Thx Jones. Any contact info you would recommend (short of writing the CEOs) ? Have fun Ian Novarider
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 12:45:00 - [8] >>> try those in fountain, thy were always easiest to do, and thy are hardly camped. >>> That would make it BoB territory, I assume. Do you know any contact info on groups within BoB operating near these complexes ? Have fun Ian Novarider
Auman	Posted - 2006.05.18 12:51:00 - [9] I would say your chances of using the complexes in our regions with our permission are pretty low. Your best chance is to convo Rift Scorn as frequently as possible to check. Maybe use a couple of alts in case he doesn't like the name Ian.
Amthrianius	Posted - 2006.05.18 12:52:00 - [10] xzh is your best bet :) ---------------
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.05.18 12:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Amthrianius xzh is your best bet :) nah its rather camped alot :/ --------------------------------
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:08:00 - [12] >>> Your best chance is to convo Rift Scorn as frequently as possible to check. >>> Thx. :-) I dont use alts, so if he does not like the name Ian then thats the way the cookie crumbles Have fun Ian Novarider
Xantina	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Nafri try those in fountain, thy were always easiest to do, and thy are hardly camped. Yes, try those in Fountain. You'll receive a very warm welcome, I can assure you
Rexy	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Ian Novarider >>ASCN & AXE CONTROLED SPACE CONTAINS THE FOLLOWING COMPLEXES>> Thx Jones. Any contact info you would recommend (short of writing the CEOs) ? Have fun Ian Novarider look at www.civis-ascendant.net, should be some contact details there. but i wouldnt waste my time on it, the complexes are for ascn. but you can always try nicking one
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:22:00 - [15] >>> the complexes are for ascn >>> Understood. Maybe a good reason to join ASCN then. have fun Ian Novarider
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:24:00 - [16] Hi Xantina, >>>> You'll receive a very warm welcome, I can assure you >>>> outside of sarcasm mode, you might even be right. Anyone you would recommend to contact if someone wants to join the groups operating there ? Have fun Ian Novarider
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:25:00 - [17] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 18/05/2006 13:26:02 Forget 10/10's, those are the best plexes and are farmed meticulously by alliances that are unlikely to let you use them just becuase you like to. They know exactly what the average earning potential of each complex is and how much effort it takes to run and are not likely to be cutting deals. If I were you I'd look for regions that are in something of a turmoil and that feature both 8/10's or 9/10's as well as 10/10's. In one of those areas I;d try and set my sights on one of the lower end ones. So, that doesn't leave much space does it :p edit: as for the fountain ones, I can safely tell you that the chance of weasling in on one of the serpentis 10/10's is next to zero.
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:40:00 - [18] Hi Marcus, thx for the info. I am not intending on "weasling in" on any complexes unless there is no other way. I have the luxury of never having joined a corp before in almost 2 years and being a rather experienced EVE pilot, I think there is a chance that some of the groups working on these complexes are recruiting someone with no previous history with other corps and therefore no (political) strings attached. I want to experience a part of EVE I have not seen yet (and get some decent equipment for my ships out of it). I also switched primary games from SWG to EVE so its time to finally join or found a corp here. In SWG (Naritus) I was one of the leaders of a 120 member group - so organizing high end content teams is nothing new to me. Have fun Ian
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:42:00 - [19] Then I'd look at the southeastern area of Eve. The relative highest concentration of high end complexes, with many different alliance that mean constant shifting playerbase within them. You might be succesfull at applying for a place in a corp there and get something done.
Audrea	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:44:00 - [20] CCP should really add more plexes, its unreasonable that for over 100k players, there are what? 10 plexes? (3 centus, 3 serpentis, 3 amatarr navy or whatever and thats pretty much it)... ---------------------------------------------- All my posts are my own opinions and dont not represent any organization until stated otherwise.
Xantina	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Ian Novarider Hi Xantina, >>>> You'll receive a very warm welcome, I can assure you >>>> outside of sarcasm mode, you might even be right. Anyone you would recommend to contact if someone wants to join the groups operating there ? Have fun Ian Novarider Outside of sarcasm mode I can tell you that there are quiet a number of alliances knocking each other around (BoB, FA, NORAD, VC, Xelas) so it's not an easy turf for complex runners. Check Backstory/Alliances, there's a list of the Alliances and their member corps in case you want to apply :)
Rexy	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:51:00 - [22] Edited by: Rexy on 18/05/2006 13:52:36 Originally by: Ian Novarider >>> the complexes are for ascn >>> Understood. Maybe a good reason to join ASCN then. have fun Ian Novarider you cant join ascn and run the 10/10 for yourself either, well you can but you wont keep the goodies. edit (you're more then welcome to join an ascn corp off course, just running 10/10's for personal profit isnt possible)
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:57:00 - [23] >>>you're more then welcome to join an ascn corp off course, >>> That is the idea, ASCN or another group operating near such complexes. And someone is ALWAYS knocking someone else around out there. Thats nothing new. Thats what many WANT who play there :-) Have fun Ian
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:58:00 - [24] >>> Check Backstory/Alliances, there's a list of the Alliances and their member corps in case you want to apply :) >>> Thx. Ian
Nafri	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:59:00 - [25] Originally by: Xantina Originally by: Nafri try those in fountain, thy were always easiest to do, and thy are hardly camped. Yes, try those in Fountain. You'll receive a very warm welcome, I can assure you Well, a few month ago you could run those complexes even without using BMs to reach fountain. Doubt anything has changed. Summertime - Campingtime!
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:00:00 - [26] Originally by: Audrea CCP should really add more plexes, its unreasonable that for over 100k players, there are what? 10 plexes? (3 centus, 3 serpentis, 3 amatarr navy or whatever and thats pretty much it)... Hmm, chekc the map sometime
BOldMan	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Ian Novarider >>>try those in fountain, thy were always easiest to do, and thy are hardly camped.>>> That would make it BoB territory, I assume. Do you know any contact info on groups within BoB operating near these complexes ? A succefully application: Hi, Can I join your corps? I want to run 10/10 complexes from your regions. --------------------------------------------- [notify] None - Are you sure you want to proceed with the clone jump? The process of doing so will result in the destruction of the existing clone you h
III LightBringer	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:11:00 - [28] There is a 10/10 angel complex 6-7 jumps from the ISS outpost at the borders to immensea, B-R5RB. You get yourself 5-6 raiding buddies, and you can opperate from ISS station. Noone ever uses that plex anyway. There ain't.. a single alliance out there.. that whould let a new guy run a plex.
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:12:00 - [29] >>>A succefully application:>>> A successful Application: Hi, I am a 22 mio SP battleship pilot with experience in soloing level 4 missions and some PvP. Never joined a corp before in EVE in the not quite 2 years playing the game. Experience in running guilds and high end content from several other MMORPGs. Experience in Teamspeak coordinated operations. Experience in military operations (in game and real life). Looking for a new challenge in EVE and would like to join a group operating near and in high end complexes. Sounds a bit better, neh ? Have fun Ian
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:15:00 - [30] >>> There is a 10/10 angel complex 6-7 jumps from the ISS outpost at the borders to immensea, B-R5RB. You get yourself 5-6 raiding buddies, and you can opperate from ISS station. Noone ever uses that plex anyway. There ain't.. a single alliance out there.. that whould let a new guy run a plex.>>>> Thanks ! ISS is an interesting concept. I am not yet convinced if it can work in the long run in the shark pond called EVE, but impressive milestones have been achieved. Have fun Ian
Swethren	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:28:00 - [31] IIRC, there is a 8/10 and 10/10 in querious Swethren
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Nafri Well, a few month ago you could run those complexes even without using BMs to reach fountain. Doubt anything has changed. Reaching them isn't the problem. Reaching them before they get run, is. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:38:00 - [33] >>>Reaching them before they get run, is.>>>> Respawn with downtime only ? Downtime is shortly (1-2 hours) after noon for me - however, with flexible work times that means I can run em. And thx Swethren ! Have fun Ian
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:40:00 - [34] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 18/05/2006 14:42:38 Originally by: Swethren IIRC, there is a 8/10 and 10/10 in querious Swethren Incorrect, querious is Blood Raider space. Blood Raider space only has 6/10 complexes, of which querious has 2-3 only. You mean catch. As for getting to fountain in time (or other serpentis 10/10's. Forget that, they get run within the first hour after each downtime. And there's backup logged off there to deal with competitors as well. It's 0.0 space, not kindergarten.
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:49:00 - [35] Intresting thread ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =)
Lefevre	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:50:00 - [36] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nafri Well, a few month ago you could run those complexes even without using BMs to reach fountain. Doubt anything has changed. Reaching them isn't the problem. Reaching them before they get run, is. I'd disagree with that Diana.. In the last month I was in fountan and even got those for myself a few times.
Troye	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:03:00 - [37] Joining an alliance just to run their 10/10 plexs is the wrong reason to join. You have to be able to offer something in return to the alliance. What will you do if your alliance looses control of their 10/10 plexs? _______________________________________________
Karl Shade	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:10:00 - [38] Originally by: Evil Thug Intresting thread This just made me spurt coffe on my keyboard. Damn you Evil Thug. -
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:12:00 - [39] >>> You have to be able to offer something in return to the alliance. What will you do if your alliance looses control of their 10/10 plexs? >>>> What I offer in return is ME. My time and my skill. With time being the most precious commodity of all. If my alliance loses control of these plexes, I will do my part to regain the territory lost. Chances are high that once I have seen and experienced that high end complex content, I will look into other areas of EVE - like gang PvP or logistics in a warzone. By that time I would be able to fly capital ships if need be, which is another interesting possibility. What you really mean is ... will I be jumping from one corp to the other ? The answer is no. Not in this game, not in others. If a corp I am in starts to suck, I dont wander off but take an active role in making it better. Have fun Ian
Stormhold	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:13:00 - [40] Originally by: Ian Novarider >>> There is a 10/10 angel complex 6-7 jumps from the ISS outpost at the borders to immensea, B-R5RB. You get yourself 5-6 raiding buddies, and you can opperate from ISS station. Noone ever uses that plex anyway. There ain't.. a single alliance out there.. that whould let a new guy run a plex.>>>> Thanks ! ISS is an interesting concept. I am not yet convinced if it can work in the long run in the shark pond called EVE, but impressive milestones have been achieved. Have fun Ian Immensea is controlled by Chimaera Pact alliance, and you will risk yourself being shot by being in Immensea without correct standings set. Actually, I doubt you will find any safe complexing from anywhere. Also, finding a corporation or alliance just by seeking one nearby a high end complex isn't really intriguing for those corporations and alliances.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Lefevre Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nafri Well, a few month ago you could run those complexes even without using BMs to reach fountain. Doubt anything has changed. Reaching them isn't the problem. Reaching them before they get run, is. I'd disagree with that Diana.. In the last month I was in fountan and even got those for myself a few times. You're saying that getting to them before they're run is easy, lef? And why didn't you accept my convo / reply to my mail? Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
Murukan	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:28:00 - [42] Heh good luck running the 10/10 in B-R in immensea or the 8/10 in GM. Rat has their isk farmers in there 24/7, funny that it's the same people everytime. So being able to run one of those 2 complexes is like winning the lotto, 99.999999% chance it will be either in the process of being cleared or already is.
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Auman I would say your chances of using the complexes in our regions with our permission are pretty low. Your best chance is to convo Rift Scorn as frequently as possible to check. Maybe use a couple of alts in case he doesn't like the name Ian. Gah! posted with my alt Anyways, my Auman character is the one that takes care of all Complex farming Ian, so shoot him over a convo or spam his in box and i'll give it a look as soon as i check it. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03!
KIAPieman	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:39:00 - [44] Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Auman I would say your chances of using the complexes in our regions with our permission are pretty low. Your best chance is to convo Rift Scorn as frequently as possible to check. Maybe use a couple of alts in case he doesn't like the name Ian. Gah! posted with my alt Anyways, my Auman character is the one that takes care of all Complex farming Ian, so shoot him over a convo or spam his in box and i'll give it a look as soon as i check it. didnt you get Blacklights PM rift, your now doing all the passes mate. so convo RIFT SCORN. yes thats RIFT SCORN for all passes to run complex's --------------------------------------------------
Lefevre	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Dianabolic You're saying that getting to them before they're run is easy, lef? And why didn't you accept my convo / reply to my mail? Well its just about patience.. I got acces to them quite a few times in the 2 weeks I spend in the area. Never saw your mail/convo.. will send you a message ingame
Ribbo	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:41:00 - [46] Originally by: KIAPieman Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Auman I would say your chances of using the complexes in our regions with our permission are pretty low. Your best chance is to convo Rift Scorn as frequently as possible to check. Maybe use a couple of alts in case he doesn't like the name Ian. Gah! posted with my alt Anyways, my Auman character is the one that takes care of all Complex farming Ian, so shoot him over a convo or spam his in box and i'll give it a look as soon as i check it. didnt you get Blacklights PM rift, your now doing all the passes mate. so convo RIFT SCORN. yes thats RIFT SCORN for all passes to run complex's tbh i've seen him on as Auman for most of the week, to be safe, convo and evemail both of them. Happy to help. Ribbo - fanboi'ing eve-celebrities the world over.
KIAPieman	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Ribbo Originally by: KIAPieman Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Auman I would say your chances of using the complexes in our regions with our permission are pretty low. Your best chance is to convo Rift Scorn as frequently as possible to check. Maybe use a couple of alts in case he doesn't like the name Ian. Gah! posted with my alt Anyways, my Auman character is the one that takes care of all Complex farming Ian, so shoot him over a convo or spam his in box and i'll give it a look as soon as i check it. didnt you get Blacklights PM rift, your now doing all the passes mate. so convo RIFT SCORN. yes thats RIFT SCORN for all passes to run complex's tbh i've seen him on as Auman for most of the week, to be safe, convo and evemail both of them. Happy to help. Ribbo whislt your at it contact Ribbo as well as he needs somthing to do --------------------------------------------------
KennyRogers	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:48:00 - [48] I'm new, close to 1 mil SP and have done deadspaces 3/10 solo and 4/10 with corp mates. Why do people/corps/alliances have to hoard the higher ones? I understand the gate camping (boring) but would they let you try the deadspace complex or is it a corp thing only? I just want to experience everything the game has to offer.
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:53:00 - [49] The 10/10 complex in 16P-PX is only open to members of POS and ASCN. You could probably join POS, but you would then have to demonstrate 6 solid months of territory defense before recieving access to the complex. Most alliances place extreme value their complex assets. Individual/personal access to them without a history of the areas protection is simply not going to happen.
Rexy	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:59:00 - [50] the complexes take very long to respawn to a point where you can rerun the plex. and they bring in good money, wich is why alliances are so protective of the plex's
KennyRogers	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:02:00 - [51] Originally by: Halseth Durn The 10/10 complex in 16P-PX is only open to members of POS and ASCN. You could probably join POS, but you would then have to demonstrate 6 solid months of territory defense before recieving access to the complex. Most alliances place extreme value their complex assets. Individual/personal access to them without a history of the areas protection is simply not going to happen. So if I am getting this right. 1) I need to quit my corp and tell my buddies, sorry I want to do this complex so I have to join this corp instead. a) most of those corps/alliances are invite only - so how would you get an invite? I don't even know where these corps are located. 2) Gate camp for 6 months just to get access to it. what would you get in those places? a) if i am going to gate camp for 6 months it better be good. Why can't we all just get along people. =P
Stormhold	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:13:00 - [52] Originally by: KennyRogers Originally by: Halseth Durn The 10/10 complex in 16P-PX is only open to members of POS and ASCN. You could probably join POS, but you would then have to demonstrate 6 solid months of territory defense before recieving access to the complex. Most alliances place extreme value their complex assets. Individual/personal access to them without a history of the areas protection is simply not going to happen. So if I am getting this right. 1) I need to quit my corp and tell my buddies, sorry I want to do this complex so I have to join this corp instead. a) most of those corps/alliances are invite only - so how would you get an invite? I don't even know where these corps are located. 2) Gate camp for 6 months just to get access to it. what would you get in those places? a) if i am going to gate camp for 6 months it better be good. Why can't we all just get along people. =P You could as well (try to) go there and shoot down anyone who opposes you. 0.0 space is about risk and reward, if you risk yourself you get access to the goodies.
BoB Fanboi	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:28:00 - [53] High level complexes (8/10 and 10/10) are run by large alliances as a means of making isk for large scale projects. Individuals are RARELY allowed to run them for personal profit, because there's usually only 2 complete spawns per day (Right after DT, and a respawn sometime after 00:00). A Sansha 10/10 yields 500 mil per run in overseers effects, and also drops X-Type armor hardeners/reps, as well as an occasional nightmare BPC. This means taht a single run can yield up to 1.5 billion isk. The angel 10/10 yields 600 mil per run in overseers, and drops the x-type shield hardeners, boosters, and amps, as well as mach BPCs. The best drop I've ever seen off an angel 10/10 is a Gist X-Type Shield Booster (800 mil), a Mach BPC (450 mil), and a X-Type Shield Boost Amp (450 mil). This means that a really good run can yield 2.3 billion isk. I don't know how good the Serpentis overseer drops are, but I know that serpentis plexes drop core x-type reps/hardeners, and vindicator BPCs. As such, alliances keep them TIGHTLY regulated, and will fight very hard against encroachers on their isk making capabilities. Usually only a select few people are permitted in the plexes, and those people get to keep the bounties but have to turn in the loot and overseers to corp or alliance for large projects. -------------------------- Evemail me for an Official BoB Fanboi Badge!
King Leonidas	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:32:00 - [54] Edited by: King Leonidas on 18/05/2006 16:32:14 Don't evemail him ^ for an official fanboi badge. They are fakes. No one can apply to get the official fanboi badges, you either are a fanboi or you are not. Join the long list of lamers today officially STAMPED by the RKK computer as fanboi's and receive your free welcoming pack and badge. King
Touk	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:33:00 - [55] true storm. ppl have to understand that the space the complexs are in has been fought for and the alliances that claim it take great pride in this fact. NO ONE is gonna let you just walk into thier space and announce you want to ***** the plexs in thier space, thereby preventing thier own members from doing so. Ya may aswell just go there and ask them to give you free isk, it boils down to the same thing.
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2006.05.18 19:15:00 - [56] Edited by: Halseth Durn on 18/05/2006 19:17:46 Originally by: KennyRogers Originally by: Halseth Durn The 10/10 complex in 16P-PX is only open to members of POS and ASCN. You could probably join POS, but you would then have to demonstrate 6 solid months of territory defense before recieving access to the complex. Most alliances place extreme value their complex assets. Individual/personal access to them without a history of the areas protection is simply not going to happen. So if I am getting this right. 1) I need to quit my corp and tell my buddies, sorry I want to do this complex so I have to join this corp instead. a) most of those corps/alliances are invite only - so how would you get an invite? I don't even know where these corps are located. 2) Gate camp for 6 months just to get access to it. what would you get in those places? a) if i am going to gate camp for 6 months it better be good. Why can't we all just get along people. =P 1. Yes. The alternative = making your corp good enough to join an alliance that comtrols a complex. 1a. Try using some elbow grease and a little imagination. This game rewards people who reseach and take intitive. Information rules EVE and this forum is a gold mine of it. Those that complain about thier own lazyness/ignorance never achieve anything. 2.Instead of looking at regional defence as a boring chore, take some intitive and seek out those who may be raiding your territory. Get some good kills, and you can probably watch that 6 month wait period turn into 6 weeks or less. 2a. Again, change your attitude. Harvesting the resources of an area you are actively protecting on a daily basis is one of EVES most rewarding experiences. Doing it with friends and having a good laugh while your doing it triples the reward. If all you are looking for is a "payoff", you are probably better off harvesting bark in some fairy stroking game where you are told exactly how to play.
darth solo	Posted - 2006.05.19 10:25:00 - [57] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nafri Well, a few month ago you could run those complexes even without using BMs to reach fountain. Doubt anything has changed. Reaching them isn't the problem. Reaching them before they get run, is. log off just before DT... when servers come up enter complex, first stage no key required.... blow up ppl that are doing complex.. run complex yourself. d solo. not everyone has what it takes to be a member of celes, do you?. join here.
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.19 12:20:00 - [58] >>> blow up ppl that are doing complex >>> That would be the tricky part, no ? You can count on the "owners" of the high end complex logging in the same minute after downtime that you do. Sure it can be done - one would need a good team and go fast, before reenforcements arrive. My estimate for response time is 10 min , up to 30 if you have a decent team that needs the defender to assemble a sizable force. Could be 3 min if defender has logged out backup ships near complex entrance, but I doubt that this is a large force (however - a logged out dreadnought or carrier backup ship could be nasty surprise). Have fun Ian
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.05.19 12:24:00 - [59] No. Most alliances have a team that runs the complex ready at DT, just like you. You COULD try beating those, but chances are theyll all login second accounts with PvP setup Battleships who were logged off at the complex gate aswell, purely for that purpose. Fairly common trick. Do not discuss moderation on the forums - Cathath([email protected]) boohoo
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.19 13:14:00 - [60] >>>> Fairly common trick. >>>> Some will consider it a myth until their pod is warping out :-) Personally I am not certain that all high end complexes are defended that way. I think half the 10/10 are (IMHO). Some will have capital ships assigned. Will be interesting to find out the truth. The Serpentis high end complexes seem to allow capital ship access. For the others various opinions circulate here in the forum (with mostly "no" as the answer). Quite a few people claim to have soloed 10/10 in Eagles. Have fun Ian
MortyM	Posted - 2006.05.19 13:59:00 - [61] Originally by: Ian Novarider Quite a few people claim to have soloed 10/10 in Eagles. lol, goodluck with that :D
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.05.19 14:03:00 - [62] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nafri Well, a few month ago you could run those complexes even without using BMs to reach fountain. Doubt anything has changed. Reaching them isn't the problem. Reaching them before they get run, is. log off just before DT... when servers come up enter complex, first stage no key required.... blow up ppl that are doing complex.. run complex yourself. d solo. Sure, that's what we do - but what about anyone else? ;) Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
supakilla	Posted - 2006.05.19 14:03:00 - [63] Edited by: supakilla on 19/05/2006 14:03:10 Originally by: Ian Novarider .... Quite a few people claim to have soloed 10/10 in Eagles. Have fun Ian Whoever is claiming that has some good stuff in thier pipe! Btw, gl trying to get past RAT/RA complex exploiters. They've got it down to a science. And if you do kill thier people , they drop nice loot too!
III LightBringer	Posted - 2006.05.19 14:04:00 - [64] Ian Novarider : You seem to be a person that takes this game seriously. I whould suggest that you contact DDC (Axiom Empire), CLS (ASCN), BOB (the guy that oversee the complexes seems to have replied to you in this tread) or Prime Orbital Systems alliance. You decide what kind of player you want to be. - If you are a Cowboy, go see if BOB wants you. - If you want a challenge, lots of freedom, and not to big an alliance, look up Axiom Empire - If you want a highly organised alliance, go for CLS and ASCN. They have it all. - If you want be in a good place, with nice neighbours, and ain't all that crazy about offensive PvP fighting, go with POS. They are the once that have borders to ASCN East, West, North and South. If it is true that you have never been in a corp, then know this.. you MIGHT get kicked out faster than you can say "Please, my pod, my implants, don't shoot me no more!!" if you ain't a teamplayer. Unless you are ready to mine ICE for 7 days straight, or sit look at a bubble for 72 hours (that is, at any time you are logged in during those operations), stay well clear of ASCN, BOB and Axiom. Go for POS if so. You should then get access to complex-running within, say... 6-12 months.. maybee Else, I think RAT. farm some complexes that ain't theires. Go help someone that suffers under theire evil tyranic influence, and organize a resistance. Kick RAT. out of Immensea, and gain instant access to 8/10 and 10/10 complexes. I am sure the local people whould love someone to assist them against the Rageing Terrorists. LOL I should have been a reporter.. and not an alt stuck in a hostile station in Immensea .. giggle
dimensionZ	Posted - 2006.05.19 14:05:00 - [65] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nafri Well, a few month ago you could run those complexes even without using BMs to reach fountain. Doubt anything has changed. Reaching them isn't the problem. Reaching them before they get run, is. log off just before DT... when servers come up enter complex, first stage no key required.... blow up ppl that are doing complex.. run complex yourself. d solo. Come play with me ! You know you want to =) ----------------------------------------
Skape Gote	Posted - 2006.05.19 14:44:00 - [66] The OP sounds like he's more bothered about running complexes than the more mundane things like holding his space. If thats the case can I suggest he forwards his application to Red Alliance post haste. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue......
Moghydin	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:23:00 - [67] Edited by: Moghydin on 19/05/2006 15:23:42 Asking what alliance holds top complexes, so I could join them won't get you far. Complexes and fat wallet are a bonus for fighting for that space, not vice versa.
Bland Inquisitor	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:20:00 - [68] Originally by: Elve Sorrow What makes you think anyone is going to let you run complexes in their regions? They're pretty camped as it is. Temm me do u even have a spec of soul left Been Playing EVE 6 Months And No One Pimped My Sig :( Lost Dawn Technologies Is Recruiting :D
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.19 18:57:00 - [69] >>> Ian Novarider : You seem to be a person that takes this game seriously. I whould suggest that you contact DDC (Axiom Empire), CLS (ASCN), BOB (the guy that oversee the complexes seems to have replied to you in this tread) or Prime Orbital Systems alliance. >>> Thx for the advice. Thats exactly the info I am looking for ... names of corps and their contact persons. Other posters have questioned wether I am a teamplayer. I never joined a corp in EVE in the last 1.5 years because I was a guild leader of a 120 people guild in SWG, Naritus server. I organized events and high level content raids (usually PvE, sometimes PvP). I tend to focus on the things I do and have other stuff for relaxation if I want a change of pace. In the past EVE was my "casual game" - you dont join an organization if you only go online for 5 min to change skills. That makes one a useless name on the corp rooster - i do not like that in other games and I guess most guild leaders think the same. Now that SWG is well and truely down the drain I shifted my focus to EVE. I did PvE because in PvP you need a team to be effective and I was solo. Now that I have explored most freely available PvE content (soloing L4 missions, some COSMOS, some 0.0 ratting) its time to look into more challenging activities ..living in 0.0, joining a corp there, taking a look at the PvE "raid content" aka 8-10/10 complexes. So yes, I can be a teamplayer. It all depends on the team :-) What i HAVE done is to organize impromptu fleets within my starter corp CAS ... about a dozen frigs or destroyers, 1-2 interceptors, 1-2 cruisers, 1-2 battleships .. and lead them into some fun missions against 14 navy battleships (you know the level 2 mission where you have to off a frig and in the background there is a whole 50 ship fleet which you are not supposed to attack ... its fun if you do :-) .. and most of the participating newbs stay with EVE for a long time after experiencing such events). And about loyality. Loyality IS very important. Loyality needs to be earned by superiors. Through effective and inspiring leadership. Through well organized logistics and economics. You cannot make loyality a requirement in joining a corp ... just because someone says (s)he is loyal when (s)he joins a corp does not mean anything. Loyality is when someone willingly sacrifices his ship cause the gang leader told him so .. because the pilot trusts his leader, NOT because he will be kicked out of the corp if he does not do as told. Thx to all posters for the information given so far. Have fun Ian Novarider
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.19 19:02:00 - [70] >>> The OP sounds like he's more bothered about running complexes than the more mundane things like holding his space. >>> The OP knows what he wants to do next - find a more challenging pastime in EVE beyond running NPC missions. He finds out what is needed to reach that goal. Then executes the plan. If that requires to fight territory wars for the corp I join - to prove that I have the necessary skills and dedication - than thats part of the package. Have fun Ian
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.05.19 19:07:00 - [71] Oh, if you expect complexes to be more challenging then lvl 4 missions you are quite mistaken. They are just as easy and predictable. The only challenign part is getting one for yourself. Power to the players !
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.05.19 20:38:00 - [72] Originally by: Rod Blaine Oh, if you expect complexes to be more challenging then lvl 4 missions you are quite mistaken. They are just as easy and predictable. The only challenign part is getting one for yourself. Yep, I'm with Rod on that one - if you've *****ed lvl4 missions, your next step, "for the buzz", is PvP.
Krapz	Posted - 2006.05.19 21:24:00 - [73] All ASCN plexes are off limits. I'll be your official contact for that one. As far as AXE, probably talk to Steel Rat or Murphy. They will likely tell you the same, if they bother to reply. Glad we could help -your friendly southern neighbor
Darken Two	Posted - 2006.05.19 21:27:00 - [74] Ian I think you seriously overestimate the PVE content in Eve. This game is about PvP so the PVE is basically bland and boring. Once you've done the lvl 4 missions, expect pretty much the same from everythign else. The high level complexes are just a source of ISk, don't expect much excitement from them. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Czardas	Posted - 2006.05.20 01:24:00 - [75] 1. This isn't WoW 2. The corp/alliance recruitment forum is over there ---->
Pax Uranus	Posted - 2006.05.20 04:53:00 - [76] Is this the second coming of NightmareX?
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.20 06:47:00 - [77] >>>an I think you seriously overestimate the PVE content in Eve. This game is about PvP so the PVE is basically bland and boring. Once you've done the lvl 4 missions, expect pretty much the same from everythign else. The high level complexes are just a source of ISk, don't expect much excitement from them.>>> Darken, PvE is interesting for a while, especially when you keep changing primary NPC enemies. Fighting Guristas is very different from Serpentis. Doing some COSMOS stuff is nice too. But basically yes, there comes a time when this is not enough and people go looking for more interesting tasks. What I hope for in high end complexes is that feeling you get from a sea of red on your screen, mostly fat BS blips ... where your first thought is ..."err, well ... what the heck ..." and you start decimating em). Also hoping for some screenshot material (like the Serpentis Battlestation in Worlds Collide Level 4 ... all "medieval castle of the Evil Overlord" design .. with spikes and spires). About the comparison with WoW: Of course EVE is like WoW, or DaoC , or SWG or (insert fave MMORPG here). PvE and PvP and even RvR is not an invention specific to EVE and the same rules apply. However, with its "one universe" design in EVE its more interesting and more meaningfull to do PvP and RvR IMHO. And if KALI dev blogs are any indication, the changes that players can make to the borders of the empires will make it even more motivating. That someone carries over his/her (in)fam(y)e in EVE is not that much different in other games - your reputation usually precedes you via forums across server borders. About this being no recruitment forum : I apologize. The thread drifted a bit away from the original question of who controls which complex. You are right. Have fun Ian
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.20 06:50:00 - [78] >>> Is this the second coming of NightmareX? >>> I am sure there is a story behind this remark .. however, I do not know it. Have fun Ian
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:10:00 - [79] To all of you with longer forum experience ... is there a way to "bookmark" a thread when I am logged into the forum ? So I can jump to it later, even if it has slipped down to page umpeenth ... Or is the only way to write a mail to myself with the thread URL ? Thx and Have fun Ian Novarider
Zaphod Jones	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:27:00 - [80] http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=339521 and click on monitor thread
sableye	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:31:00 - [81] Ian we are recruiting and have access to some of those complexes. ORC Outrage Recruiting You Today.
Beyond Horizon	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:38:00 - [82] Originally by: Spartan239 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=331220 ROFL
C0CK KN0CKER	Posted - 2006.05.22 13:49:00 - [83] Thank you for putting that list up. My comrades will start farming all those complexes too. ----------------- Mailorder Brides just for you. Free isk if ordered before May
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.22 14:31:00 - [84] Edited by: Ian Novarider on 22/05/2006 14:34:18 I will do better than that ... check this http://eve.grismar.net/ or to be more exact THIS http://eve.grismar.net/complexes/index.php or you could simply open your map and set it to display complexes. Its not exactly a secret :-) Have fun Ian Novarider PS : Thx Zaphod for the link. PPS: Thanks for the recruitment offers, I will reply in private mail.
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.22 23:51:00 - [85] Edited by: Dao 2 on 22/05/2006 23:51:12 Originally by: Moghydin Edited by: Moghydin on 19/05/2006 15:23:42 Asking what alliance holds top complexes, so I could join them won't get you far. Complexes and fat wallet are a bonus for fighting for that space, not vice versa. not always a bonus ;p if i auto had a fat wallet id fight a lot more than i do now :\| ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Rover Vitesse	Posted - 2006.05.23 00:09:00 - [86] Originally by: Ian Novarider snip.... Ian Novarider If you truly want to be a team player, and feel you have the ability to be a member of our team, do Alliance Ops, do Corp Ops, and only then, do complexes, give me a call in game. Be prepared to lose ships, but also be prepared to have fun. This game isn't about farming ISK from complexes, it's all about the fun to be had with teamwork. www.crisis-corp.com /me taps his fingers on his desk impatiently Rovers Chronicles
Body Count	Posted - 2006.05.23 02:22:00 - [87] Originally by: KennyRogers I'm new, close to 1 mil SP and have done deadspaces 3/10 solo and 4/10 with corp mates. Why do people/corps/alliances have to hoard the higher ones? I understand the gate camping (boring) but would they let you try the deadspace complex or is it a corp thing only? I just want to experience everything the game has to offer. It's all about turf. A lot of alliances have a kill on sight policy for people they don't know. That's because they all have rivals and enemies trying to take their space and topple them. You might want to just try a complex but they don't know if you're a spy for another alliance or a scout for an imminent invasion. Paranoid? Yes. But it happens quite a lot. So if you want to get out to those complexes you're most likely going to have to join up and be a fully contributing member of the alliance. If you join and just do complexes you will be kicked and then killed by almost anyone in 0.0
Pepperami	Posted - 2006.05.23 02:34:00 - [88] Originally by: Ian Novarider >>> Is this the second coming of NightmareX? >>> I am sure there is a story behind this remark .. however, I do not know it. Have fun Ian http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=316048 Some guy who only cared about npc'ing wanted to switch from M. Corp to Atuk because of the type of rats in their space. Velios got wind of it and said "omg faction spawn" and nightmare came out and was promptly killed. Class act. [Art of War][- V -]
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.26 08:57:00 - [89] Thank you all for your information. I am about to join an 0.0 alliance. See you in Deep Space - as friends or foes. One thing ... seems high end complexes have skill requirements (one skill at level 5 to be able to use the gate, different plexes need different skills). Leadership 5 and Electronics 5 have been mentioned. Any others ? You dont have to say which plex needs which skill, just what skill type. It seems to me these are basic skills only .. I expected Hacking, but that was not the case. Have fun Ian Novarider
MortyM	Posted - 2006.05.26 10:14:00 - [90] Originally by: Ian Novarider Thank you all for your information. I am about to join an 0.0 alliance. See you in Deep Space - as friends or foes. One thing ... seems high end complexes have skill requirements (one skill at level 5 to be able to use the gate, different plexes need different skills). Leadership 5 and Electronics 5 have been mentioned. Any others ? You dont have to say which plex needs which skill, just what skill type. It seems to me these are basic skills only .. I expected Hacking, but that was not the case. Have fun Ian Novarider Complexes do not require skills to get into. You will need some skills to survive them though ;)
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.26 10:20:00 - [91] >>Complexes do not require skills to get into. You will need some skills to survive them though ;)>>>> Interesting. I have been given other information from two different, non-related sources. And about the skills needed to survive them ... it seems to me its more a matter of tactics, knowledge and experience. High Skills help - and I have those. Have fun Ian Novarider
Riddari	Posted - 2006.05.26 10:54:00 - [92] Originally by: MortyM Complexes do not require skills to get into. You will need some skills to survive them though ;) Some complexes require skills to advance past the first level. Leadership V for example. ¼+¼ a history
Ian Novarider	Posted - 2006.05.26 11:13:00 - [93] From reading forum posts : Using capital ships in complexes seems to be possible. The gate wont accept capital ships, but another ship can place a cyno-field inside a complex level and the capital ship jumps there. Dunno if that is true, however. Hope someone with actual experience can confirm or correct. Capital ships like Dreadnoughts can and are used in missions (Dread in level 4 Worlds Collide is great fun I have heard from a friend - like using a Battleship in Level 1 missions). Have fun Ian Novarider
Ilany	Posted - 2006.05.26 12:50:00 - [94] Capital ships can use complex acceleration gates. If people want to dispute it I'll post a screenie of cap ships inside a 10/10. To add to what other people have already said: The complex bosses (i.e where you would make your money) respawn very predictably at certain times of day. This favours particular time zones, eg. mid Russia (hence RAT/RA finding this thread amusing) through to Australia. As such people living in other time zones, such as Europe or the eastern US, find it difficult to enjoy this content because they're at school/uni/work. ------- Ilany Head of Internal Communications, Huzzah Federation
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.05.26 12:54:00 - [95] Originally by: Ilany This favours particular time zones, eg. mid Russia (hence RAT/RA finding this thread amusing) through to Australia. As such people living in other time zones, such as Europe or the eastern US, find it difficult to enjoy this content because they're at school/uni/work. Ever tryed to get up in 05.00 to complete complex, and go to university ? ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =)
Kinsy	Posted - 2006.05.26 13:31:00 - [96] Originally by: dimensionZ Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nafri Well, a few month ago you could run those complexes even without using BMs to reach fountain. Doubt anything has changed. Reaching them isn't the problem. Reaching them before they get run, is. log off just before DT... when servers come up enter complex, first stage no key required.... blow up ppl that are doing complex.. run complex yourself. d solo. Come play with me ! You know you want to =) He's in Fountain. You owe me a proper geddon fight
Johnny Wulgaru	Posted - 2006.05.26 14:39:00 - [97] Originally by: Krapz All ASCN plexes are off limits. I'll be your official contact for that one. As far as AXE, probably talk to Steel Rat or Murphy. They will likely tell you the same, if they bother to reply. Glad we could help -your friendly southern neighbor this coming from an alliance that can't seem to dislodge a hedgehog. And your neighbors up north won't even try to touch RAT's little isk mine. Didn't you guys get spanked brutally the last time you tried? Remember they play dirty. Isk farmers > ASCN/AXE So sez Johnny~~
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.05.26 15:37:00 - [98] Originally by: Johnny Wulgaru Originally by: Krapz All ASCN plexes are off limits. I'll be your official contact for that one. As far as AXE, probably talk to Steel Rat or Murphy. They will likely tell you the same, if they bother to reply. Glad we could help -your friendly southern neighbor this coming from an alliance that can't seem to dislodge a hedgehog. And your neighbors up north won't even try to touch RAT's little isk mine. Didn't you guys get spanked brutally the last time you tried? Remember they play dirty. Isk farmers > ASCN/AXE So sez Johnny~~ alts > balls - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius

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