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Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
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Posted - 2014.04.26 17:43:00 -
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Saw this on Reddit. Posting here:
http://stabbedup.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/only-you-can-save-universe-ccp-seagull_26.html
Also, Grr Goons general thread.
You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies? |
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
7685
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Posted - 2014.04.26 17:47:00 -
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I like Soup.
Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap.
Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!! |
Jim Era
8523
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Posted - 2014.04.26 17:51:00 -
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wat
WatGäó |
Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
260
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Posted - 2014.04.26 17:52:00 -
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Tollen Gallen wrote:I like Soup.
Turtlesoup? |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3023
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Posted - 2014.04.26 17:53:00 -
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Just a link, no summary, what a poor thread.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4914
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Posted - 2014.04.26 17:54:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Just a link, no summary, what a poor thread.
How can you tell, there are so many to choose from?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
153
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Posted - 2014.04.26 17:55:00 -
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Great posts guys, keep it up. You are all smart and interesting people. Especially the guy who wants me to read it for him.
You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies? |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1621
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Posted - 2014.04.26 17:56:00 -
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I expect excitement around fanfest 2016 maybe 2017. Clicking biomass button has to be exciting, right?
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2014.04.26 17:57:00 -
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Expect this to be ISD'd.. In other words...closed... |
Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
153
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Posted - 2014.04.26 17:58:00 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:Expect this to be ISD'd.. In other words...closed...
Very very informative and relevant. Kudos to you sir. I'm glad you posted in this thread and added so much to the discussion.
All of these posts not related to the article posted are bad and you should all feel bad. INB4 inevitable lock.
You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies? |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
152
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Posted - 2014.04.26 17:59:00 -
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Silent Rambo wrote:Great posts guys, keep it up. You are all smart and interesting people. Especially the guy who wants me to read it for him.
Since it's a fairly long post, a brief summary so that people could decide if it's worth reading would have been courteous.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
573
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Posted - 2014.04.26 18:01:00 -
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cheese... cheese is better than soup.
-á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3024
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Posted - 2014.04.26 18:01:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Just a link, no summary, what a poor thread. How can you tell, there are so many to choose from?
*sigh* Guess I'll just throw this one on the pile of 'meh' with the others.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
837
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Posted - 2014.04.26 18:01:00 -
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Silent Rambo wrote:BrundleMeth wrote:Expect this to be ISD'd.. In other words...closed... Very very informative and relevant. Kudos to you sir. I'm glad you posted in this thread and added so much to the discussion. All of these posts not related to the article posted are bad and you should all feel bad. INB4 inevitable lock.
You don't seem to understand why people are that way.
All you did was post a link.
Of course you assume that you actually did something good
and pointed at relevant information,
but you completely ignored that it is extremely usefull
and always desired to give a summary,
or at least point out a few interesting tidbits.
That's how people work.
It's not really their fault and I don't want to assume that you're
believing that simply posting a link will bring you kudos.
I believe that you had good intentions at heart,
but people simply do not work that way.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860
Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears!
And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1000
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Posted - 2014.04.26 18:01:00 -
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Silent Rambo wrote:BrundleMeth wrote:Expect this to be ISD'd.. In other words...closed... Very very informative and relevant. Kudos to you sir. I'm glad you posted in this thread and added so much to the discussion. All of these posts not related to the article posted are bad and you should all feel bad. INB4 inevitable lock.
with an op this vague i'm surprised this hasn't become a DE afk cloaking thread by now.
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Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
153
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Posted - 2014.04.26 18:04:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
I believe that you had good intentions at heart,
but people simply do not work that way.
Except for most of the aggregate internet. (Reddit, Facebook, and clones of those). These all accept simple links and require people to actually read the link given before commenting.
Fixed the OP.
You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies? |
Rhes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
829
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Posted - 2014.04.26 18:16:00 -
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lol reddit
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Aves Asio
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.04.26 19:06:00 -
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I don't understand. CCP Seagull should nerf goons and reveal the next expansion? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
12838
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Posted - 2014.04.26 19:06:00 -
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Silent Rambo wrote:Saw this on Reddit. Posting here:
Saw this in General Discussion. Stopped reading.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
15238
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Posted - 2014.04.26 19:29:00 -
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Silent Rambo wrote:Saw this on Reddit. Posting here: http://stabbedup.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/only-you-can-save-universe-ccp-seagull_26.htmlEDIT: Since no one can be bothered to read the article posted, it goes over how non-representative CPM members can be and how the majority of non-Goon players can look at the long line of Goon representation as something bad for the games overall health. Is that good enough for all the lazy people out there? EDIT: Read the damn article if you want to comment.
There is only 1 Goonswarm member on the CFC.
That article can be summarised as "Oh god things are going to change and I'm going to have to put some effort into adapting, also lots of people will quit if they can't keep their gigantic overwhelming local advantage and for some reason I think they deserve the tiniest particle of respect. Even though only half of the industry devblogs have been released THIS WILL DOOM US ALL!!!!ONEONE"
Listen up buttercups, Uncle Malcy is going to tell you what's actually happening with respect to S&I. Not the numbersy part; I'm not clever enough to go into the detailed & precise implications on every last mod or ship. But the broad game design sweep, well this is explicitly obvious to anyone who stops and thinks about it by now.
Previously the very great majority of S&I activity has been characterised into 3 conceptual groups as follows
(1) "Immature" industrialists; dabblers, people building a few faction mods from BPC, new players learning how it all works, etc. In short people who conduct their S&I in an amateur, highly non-optimal fashion for one reason or another.
(2) "Mature" non-specialised industrialists; player who do S&I on an alt and basically do it on a "log in every day or two and start a new batch of jobs" basis. The characters these players use have good skills, and they've invested a fair effort into working out optimal supply chains and build numbers and so on. They basically just do pretty much the same thing over and over until there are significant changes in the game meta that affect them.
(3) "Mature" specialised industrialists: players for whom the main focus of their game is S&I. They are continually updating and refining their supply chains and they spend a fair amount of time monitoring market conditions to make sure that they're getting the best possible ISK/hr from all their production & research lines.
Group (1) Isn't going to going to see a whole lot of difference in production. People who just want to build faction ships or mods from BPCs don't give a crap about a 14% build cost hike. Players learning to do industry by making T1 nanos or whatever can easily up sticks and move a jump or two if they even bother. They are however going to see a big quality of life improvement by being able to access public material research and copying facilities at all.
Group (3) is, frankly, going to make bank.
Group (2) are going to be the big, big losers here. They're going to be kicked in the shorts over and over until they either start investing the time to learn how to adapt and react to dynamic changes or until they move to a protected-from-competition environment like sov space or W-space or until they firesale their stock and try something else.
In short, S&I is going to become a lot more PvP.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Rhes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
829
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Posted - 2014.04.26 19:52:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:There is only 1 Goonswarm member on the CFC.
The rest of us are PL spies.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
115
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Posted - 2014.04.26 19:53:00 -
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Silent Rambo wrote:Saw this on Reddit. Posting here: http://stabbedup.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/only-you-can-save-universe-ccp-seagull_26.htmlEDIT: Since no one can be bothered to read the article posted, it goes over how non-representative CPM members can be and how the majority of non-Goon players can look at the long line of Goon representation as something bad for the games overall health. Is that good enough for all the lazy people out there? EDIT: Read the damn article if you want to comment.
The link does work. It is a long read but an interesting one.
I'm in the 'wait and see' contingent as well although I do agree that various events have been extremely worrying:
1) Unifex & CmdrWang leaving with no comment from CCP. Very unappreciative in my humble opinion.
2) P.C. in DUST 514. What a mess with virtual total ownership by DNS.
3) The CSM has become a bit of a joke with one 'official' goon candidate and numerous 'unofficial' goon candidates plus a number of other nullsec candidates. Failure of democracy or death by apathy? Take your pick.
4) Poor decision making at CCP: Financial writeoffs, dropping WoD, 'butter spread too thinly over too little bread'.
I'm painting a very black picture there in a 'Dinsdale' way and I do still think we have to wait and see what happens. The remaining industry dev blogs will be released at or during Fanfest and the changes so far proposed aren't that bad. It's going to be.........interesting.  |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
15239
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Posted - 2014.04.26 20:06:00 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:Silent Rambo wrote:Saw this on Reddit. Posting here: http://stabbedup.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/only-you-can-save-universe-ccp-seagull_26.htmlEDIT: Since no one can be bothered to read the article posted, it goes over how non-representative CPM members can be and how the majority of non-Goon players can look at the long line of Goon representation as something bad for the games overall health. Is that good enough for all the lazy people out there? EDIT: Read the damn article if you want to comment. The link does work. It is a long read but an interesting one. I'm in the 'wait and see' contingent as well although I do agree that various events have been extremely worrying: 1) Unifex & CmdrWang leaving with no comment from CCP. Very unappreciative in my humble opinion. 2) P.C. in DUST 514. What a mess with virtual total ownership by DNS. 3) The CSM has become a bit of a joke with one 'official' goon candidate and numerous 'unofficial' goon candidates plus a number of other nullsec candidates. Failure of democracy or death by apathy? Take your pick. 4) Poor decision making at CCP: Financial writeoffs, dropping WoD, 'butter spread too thinly over too little bread'. I'm painting a very black picture there in a 'Dinsdale' way and I do still think we have to wait and see what happens. The remaining industry dev blogs will be released at or during Fanfest and the changes so far proposed aren't that bad. It's going to be.........interesting.
Can you list the "unofficial" goon CSM members along with a brief explaination of why they are?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1622
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Posted - 2014.04.26 20:09:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
That article can be summarised as "Oh god things are going to change and I'm going to have to put some effort into adapting, also lots of people will quit if they can't keep their gigantic overwhelming local advantage and for some reason I think they deserve the tiniest particle of respect. Even though only half of the industry devblogs have been released THIS WILL DOOM US ALL!!!!ONEONE"
To be honest what I read was more along the lines that what CCP Seagul described in her vision speech/letter was awesome but too abstract for common people to get excited about. Yes, player made stargates in 5 years but what between now and that point? Tiercide passes, database values tweaking, ship skin here, new dress there?
S&I changes coming this summer (and probably after that to smooth things that slipped through Q&A process over) are huge, even I can see it and I basically have no idea about building and/or researching stuff. But massive impact those changes is kind of "big picture" event, people who don't analyze their every waking Eve moment won't see it as possibility just huge hype about, well... nothing concerning their gameplay. So what that things will get more expensive, there is a lot of ISK floating around, you add 1 more tick of null anoms and you are up to new price. No biggie.
That great plan of CCP Seagul, I am sure it is grand and great and awesome. But it is like promise of eternal life AFTER, people are interested in now. Why not to throw us few more concrete details about how we will get to building our own stargates (and why would we want to build them in the first place)? According to what CCP Seagul said on last live stream she will present that 5 years plan again after 1 years of working on it but I really hope it will have more meat and juicy details.
At the end of the day Eve while great and complex is just a game and promising great things 5 years from now doesn't sound like game, more like RL politics: trust us it will get better, meanwhile try to hang on.
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3617
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Posted - 2014.04.26 20:26:00 -
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I didnt read the article and I commented
SOMEBODY STHAP ME
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1***
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
"Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18131
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Posted - 2014.04.26 20:40:00 -
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FYP
I read the article, and decided that it wasn't worth commenting on, tinfoil for the tinfoil gods.
Eve is dying post # 758,642,312
Never go full Ripard |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1018
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Posted - 2014.04.26 21:01:00 -
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Interesting post, and yes besides the whole 'Eve is Dying' bent the blog takes on I would agree with the Industrial Vets being a little apprehensive about investing in the foreseeable future. I took down my High Sec POS'es, I have been wrapping up any long term jobs I had planned and I have spent more time in other pursuits over the last month. Without a clear idea of where EVE is going, and how I can work that to my advantage (Read; Profit) I don't see the value of investing my time in the game.
I'm not saying I am leaving EVE forever as the blog states, but I can't make a reasonable well informed decision with the data I have right now, so I get to slow it all down and see where CCP is deciding to take me.
Things that keep me up at night;-á
Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs?
Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
829
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Posted - 2014.04.26 21:01:00 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:Failure of democracy
Are you saying that bloc votes are worth less than non-bloc votes?
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3618
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Posted - 2014.04.26 21:07:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:FYP I read the article, and decided that it wasn't worth commenting on, tinfoil for the tinfoil gods. Eve is dying post # 758,642,312
Thanks, didnt have time to do that myself :)
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1***
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
"Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
6218
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Posted - 2014.04.26 21:12:00 -
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Silent Rambo wrote:Saw this on Reddit. Posting here: http://stabbedup.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/only-you-can-save-universe-ccp-seagull_26.htmlEDIT: Since no one can be bothered to read the article posted, it goes over how non-representative CPM members can be and how the majority of non-Goon players can look at the long line of Goon representation as something bad for the games overall health. Is that good enough for all the lazy people out there? EDIT: Read the damn article if you want to comment.
That's a lot of words for something that translates into 'Something something butthurt something'.
As per usual over the interwebs, the author seems incapable of spaeking just from himself and seems to think that self electing himself to the post of community savior is the way to go. That's usually how you tell that an opinion is nonsense, a good opinon stands as "this is what I think" well enough, a crappy opinon tries to rely on "this is what all of us think". |
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