I think that is a little unfair.

As is I would like incursion rats not to be able to scramble at warp gates.

I think that is a little unfair. I was in a Flycatcher for pete's sake

I am open to anybody's thoughts. Be them for or against this.

As is I would like incursion rats not to be able to scramble at warp gates.

some one link the htfu video.

I find it upsetting. I may be a "crybaby" for complaining but is my thoughts understandable even a lil bit? :/

I find it upsetting. I may be a "crybaby" for complaining but is my thoughts understandable even a lil bit? :/

To be fair, you entered an incursion system. Which is a system they are actively invading and trying to take over. What you experienced was a gate camp really. It's just good tactics.

I'd very much like them to do this in HS too...

What bugs me is that in both null and low they scram at gates yet in high sec they don't. Should probably petition that to get them to scram in high sec to as its clearly broken.

Baltec 1, is that you?

What bugs me is that in both null and low they scram at gates yet in high sec they don't. Should probably petition that to get them to scram in high sec to as its clearly broken.

I will try to keep my words to an minimum. Forgive my poor grammar and spelling.

I think its a little unfair that incursion "rats" can scramble at warp gates.

I was in low sec. Entered a system with incursion "rats" that were spawned at the gate.

I was only trying to pass through the system. Tried to warp to the next gate at the other end of the system, and before I could warp I was scrambled by the incursion rats.

I think that is a little unfair. I was in a Flycatcher for pete's sake. Not a slow ship but not the fastest.

I am open to anybody's thoughts. Be them for or against this.

As is I would like incursion rats not to be able to scramble at warp gates.

You know what's unfair?

My face!

I fully support this. +1

I don't think that's unfair.
Why would it be?

How do you quantify unfair anyway?



You know what's unfair?

My face!

You know what's unfair?

My face!

I would support it to but omg the level of crying that would insue would shut down the interwebs.

I can't remember which DEV it was but I remember clearly that he said they talked extensivley about doing that (incursion rats on gates, along with other things like disabling CONCORD in incursions constellations) and decided against it when developing Incursions. Thus we have high sec incursions where CONCORD and the npc navies won't fight the people puportedly invading sovereign space but that will still shoot the crap out of a capsuleer who fires a civilian gatling gun at someone.

Well, not much sympathy for the Devil here. You must of been sitting there or traveling really slow to have NPC's target and warp scram you at the gate.

NPC's are much slower on the trigger compared to actual players and most players when traveling will warp to 0 anyway. Sounds like the new AI has beat you at your own game.





DMC

There's a cup of hot peppermint tea right next to me ... <3

Well, not much sympathy for the Devil here. You must of been sitting there or traveling really slow to have NPC's target and warp scram you at the gate.

NPC's are much slower on the trigger compared to actual players and most players when traveling will warp to 0 anyway. Sounds like the new AI has beat you at your own game.





DMC

PVP should be able to interfere with PVE, but it really shouldn't work the other way around.

No to gate guns, CONCORD, faction police, navy?

Not trolling just putting that out there :)

None of these mechanics are similar, though. They don't penalize players in an attempt to force them into completing an objective.

, along with other things like disabling CONCORD in incursions constellations) and decided against it when developing Incursions.

PVP should be able to interfere with PVE, but it really shouldn't work the other way around.
CCP feels differently.

I never really understood the spawning of rates on gates at all in low sec, i mean gate guns why you no work?

I find it upsetting. I may be a "crybaby" for complaining but is my thoughts understandable even a lil bit? :/

You found one of the big ones. The other being the payout multipliers.

Do they actually scram or just warp disrupt ?

Disrupt.

Maybe you want players also unable to scramble you at gates? maybe a solo play mode without interaction with anything?

Critically, this allows you to activate a Micro Jump Drive. This is rather an important distinction.

Entitlement complex much?
"My way of playing is superior to yours, so I get to trample on you, but your way of playing can't ever affect me".

On a battleship yes. It also allows you to burn back to the gate and jump out, which OP probably could have done to avoid his loss.

I'd very much like them to do this in HS too...

Quite a few people have mentioned this since CCP gave us Incursions is that when an Incursion hits a HS system it should shut off all concord interference and local naval NPC forces, that system essentially becomes a free for all.

To counter the huge jump in the level of risk increased in running an Incursion in this situation I would have no problem with CCP increasing the payouts and rewards.

It would certainly make things a lot more entertaining

I, too lost a Flycatcher to incursion rats. It was in nullse though. Kinda srems odd a destroyer can't get passed them, though.

Im sure its been asked before, and not to switch topics.

Why dont gate guns target npc? what faction "owns" the gate guns? are they owned or do they just protect the gate their at?

Weather their owned by a faction or just ment to protect the gate from any hostiles ... Why arent they protecting the gate / system from hostile npc?

What bugs me is that in both null and low they scram at gates yet in high sec they don't. Should probably petition that to get them to scram in high sec to as its clearly broken.

what are 'payouts' and 'rewards' you mentioned?

Regular mission rewards? Show me that idiot who will run missions there....
Incursion rewards? They are already higher in low- and 0.0. but it doesn't help players to participate....
Some other rewards?

Well, not much sympathy for the Devil here. You must of been sitting there or traveling really slow to have NPC's target and warp scram you at the gate.

NPC's are much slower on the trigger compared to actual players and most players when traveling will warp to 0 anyway. Sounds like the new AI has beat you at your own game.





DMC

They should add incursion gate rats to highsec gates, it's only fair. Just some scrambling frigates. They can leave the battleships off the highsec gates. Should add a better travelling dynamic in highsec.

I must admit I was rather surprised to lose in interceptor to incursion gate rats. Even more surprised when a corpmate lost a Prowler and when a friend said he'd lost a Leopard. I don't mind that they can do this, but the insta-lock is rather astonishing. I'd tone that down to more 'realistic' levels.

Quite a few people have mentioned this since CCP gave us Incursions is that when an Incursion hits a HS system it should shut off all concord interference and local naval NPC forces, that system essentially becomes a free for all.

If they lost a Prowler and a Leopard, they were either AFK or doing it wrong.

They should add incursion gate rats to highsec gates, it's only fair. Just some scrambling frigates. They can leave the battleships off the highsec gates. Should add a better travelling dynamic in highsec.