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Balazs Simon	Posted - 2006.05.20 07:52:00 - [61] Anybody else getting scared when see topicks like this ? I feare that at one point teh devs will listen to this type of ppl and ruin eve. I don't want eve to become the second E'n'B or SWG... Instanced PVP = end of EVE... - POST WITH YOUR MAIN! New sig coming soon... This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the DICE Corporation.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.20 07:57:00 - [62] Originally by: Balazs Simon Anybody else getting scared when see topicks like this ? I feare that at one point teh devs will listen to this type of ppl and ruin eve. I don't want eve to become the second E'n'B or SWG... Instanced PVP = end of EVE... I think the devs are alot smarter about this than blizzard was. They wont replace the current pvp with instances. There might be instanced training/dueling grounds, but it wont hurt the game. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.05.20 07:58:00 - [63] Originally by: Balazs Simon Anybody else getting scared when see topicks like this ? I feare that at one point teh devs will listen to this type of ppl and ruin eve. I don't want eve to become the second E'n'B or SWG... Instanced PVP = end of EVE... Aye mate. This is OUR game ppl been playing for 2-3.5 years now and some wower comes and wants to ruin a masterpiece. Topics like this should be closed on sight, it's a worthless discussion. I still can't believe ppl posted serious replies regarding riskless pvp Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.05.20 08:00:00 - [64] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Balazs Simon Anybody else getting scared when see topicks like this ? I feare that at one point teh devs will listen to this type of ppl and ruin eve. I don't want eve to become the second E'n'B or SWG... Instanced PVP = end of EVE... I think the devs are alot smarter about this than blizzard was. They wont replace the current pvp with instances. There might be instanced training/dueling grounds, but it wont hurt the game. The game is perfect as it is, but new content, bug fixing and some new features (kali) are always welcome. But not this. Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.20 08:06:00 - [65] Originally by: Epsilon 1 The game is perfect as it is, but new content, bug fixing and some new features (kali) are always welcome. But not this. I agree those things should definently have alot higher priority. There are alot of bugs that seem to irritate people to death, judging from the sticky thread. Lets get those fixed as priority one. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2006.05.20 08:07:00 - [66] If there was no losses in PvP then I would have quit this game a long time ago. No loss = boring So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.05.20 08:08:00 - [67] Over my dead corpse. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2006.05.20 08:18:00 - [68] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Over my dead corpse. But thats the point, you wont have a dead corpse, you can not die ! You will be stucked here forever, no way to escape !!!!111!!!!!111!!!! - POST WITH YOUR MAIN! New sig coming soon... This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the DICE Corporation.
Valan	Posted - 2006.05.20 08:26:00 - [69] I've not read the whole thing but I've seen you speak on behalf of the Devs. There have been comments from the other side also claiming to be the Dev point of view. However, if you go through articles, blogs and posts you will begin to realise you have missed the point of EVE completely. The Devs in this game from my limited point of view work hard to keep EVE true to a set of gameplay principles. CCP in my mind have never strayed from these principles in an effort to gain players. Apart from the Asian server but I'm not sure that counts. Thats catering for a set of players that are bound by the laws of their country.
imbalanced4	Posted - 2006.05.20 08:35:00 - [70] Oh, one more thing about wow. I beta'd it. Never bought it. It had no pvp when I played so I have no idea what you guys are talking about artic valley or whatever. What i'm talking about, is just like Guild wars PvP. Not to take the place of EVE's politics and gate camping, but just as a side option for those so dramatically inferior to you awesome people. A place where only the scum of the earth like me would go to play because we suck at life so bad that we can't experience EVE pvp the Correct Way like you Real People do. It would just be a place for us utterly worthless disgraces for lifeforms to enjoy eve in a way that is so horribly Wrong, Pathetic, and Stupid that God himself would turn his back on us. Thanks for your time, see you at the fanfest.
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2006.05.20 08:38:00 - [71] Originally by: imbalanced4 Oh, one more thing about wow. I beta'd it. Never bought it. It had no pvp when I played so I have no idea what you guys are talking about artic valley or whatever. What i'm talking about, is just like Guild wars PvP. Not to take the place of EVE's politics and gate camping, but just as a side option for those so dramatically inferior to you awesome people. A place where only the scum of the earth like me would go to play because we suck at life so bad that we can't experience EVE pvp the Correct Way like you Real People do. It would just be a place for us utterly worthless disgraces for lifeforms to enjoy eve in a way that is so horribly Wrong, Pathetic, and Stupid that God himself would turn his back on us. Thanks for your time, see you at the fanfest. Get soem selfrespect and a kestrel, and go kill some one.. you will feel betetr if you know he realy lost something there. Oh, and you should go and see teh doctor as well. - POST WITH YOUR MAIN! New sig coming soon... This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the DICE Corporation.
imbalanced4	Posted - 2006.05.20 08:41:00 - [72] Originally by: Balazs Simon Originally by: imbalanced4 Get soem selfrespect and a kestrel, and go kill some one.. you will feel betetr if you know he realy lost something there. Oh, and you should go and see teh doctor as well. Give me some respect and understand that it wouldn't make me feel better. I have zero desire to cause anyone grief, and im not the type of person to take pleasure form that. /yuck
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.20 08:41:00 - [73] I have read through this entire thread, and I could quote every post the OP has made and point out what is wrong with it, but that would take several pages, and I really have better things to do. To this end, I've decided to draw up a list of the main features of the thread: OP suggests risk free PvP Forum says no, this goes against everything eve is. OP says he doesn't care what players think, only he knows what eve should be. Forum says no, this goes against everything eve is. OP says forums represent little of the playerbase, and claims to represent the silent majority. Forums point out that it is the forums who are the public face of the community. They are the gauge of player reactions. At this, point, someone actually agrees. All arguments repeated ad infinitum. HippoKing comes to show off his sig in the thread. I think the one think you truly misunderstand in eve is PvP. You say you can't PvP. I must ask: why not? Everyone else who wants to manages it. It is not the game preventing you from PvPing: it is you. I think I can say with some assurance that you have never PvPed in eve voluntarily. Until you try that, you will honestly never understand. Today, get a rifter, go out, and have fun.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.20 08:50:00 - [74] Originally by: imbalanced4 Give me some respect and understand that it wouldn't make me feel better. I have zero desire to cause anyone grief, and im not the type of person to take pleasure form that. /yuck People will have more respect for you when you know what you are talking about. Some people have been playing the game for 3 years and eve is considered the best pvp mmorpg out there. Adding duel/training areas separate from the real game wouldnt bother me, but you cant expect to come here with ideas about changing the pvp system that has taken eve this far very successfully. --- The Eve Wiki Project
imbalanced4	Posted - 2006.05.20 08:56:00 - [75] Originally by: HippoKing I think the one think you truly misunderstand in eve is PvP. You say you can't PvP. I must ask: why not? Everyone else who wants to manages it. It is not the game preventing you from PvPing: it is you. I think I can say with some assurance that you have never PvPed in eve voluntarily. Until you try that, you will honestly never understand. Today, get a rifter, go out, and have fun. I have. I got in a vexor and went off with the pvp director in our corp. First combat we saw we ran into battleships. Wasn't even a fight really. Or else, I would not describe it as competative, as in, it wasn't even close. Somehow they jammed my pod before I could escape. Thats at least 4 hours lost. I understand. Do YOU understand? Yeah, I lost something, what a GD thrill. I imagine blowing someone else up is thrilling too. I would probably go cut myself and spank it I'd get so excited. Whoohoo, I caused him grief! btw your sig really is phat
imbalanced4	Posted - 2006.05.20 08:57:00 - [76] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: imbalanced4 Give me some respect and understand that it wouldn't make me feel better. I have zero desire to cause anyone grief, and im not the type of person to take pleasure form that. /yuck People will have more respect for you when you know what you are talking about. Some people have been playing the game for 3 years and eve is considered the best pvp mmorpg out there. Adding duel/training areas separate from the real game wouldnt bother me, but you cant expect to come here with ideas about changing the pvp system that has taken eve this far very successfully. But theres more PvE in your PvP than there is PvP. How is it better? And who rates that? Is it more 'hardcore'? What makes it more hardcore? Is it because you have to PvE more after you lose a ship? Extreme!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.20 08:59:00 - [77] Originally by: imbalanced4 Originally by: HippoKing I think the one think you truly misunderstand in eve is PvP. You say you can't PvP. I must ask: why not? Everyone else who wants to manages it. It is not the game preventing you from PvPing: it is you. I think I can say with some assurance that you have never PvPed in eve voluntarily. Until you try that, you will honestly never understand. Today, get a rifter, go out, and have fun. I have. I got in a vexor and went off with the pvp director in our corp. First combat we saw we ran into battleships. Wasn't even a fight really. Or else, I would not describe it as competative, as in, it wasn't even close. Somehow they jammed my pod before I could escape. Thats at least 4 hours lost. I understand. Do YOU understand? Yeah, I lost something, what a GD thrill. I imagine blowing someone else up is thrilling too. I would probably go cut myself and spank it I'd get so excited. Whoohoo, I caused him grief! btw your sig really is phat Just go play another game. Seriously. You dont understand this system and im beginning to think you never will, because you dont listen to people telling you the truth. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Reiisha	Posted - 2006.05.20 09:00:00 - [78] Originally by: imbalanced4 Like maybe a simulation arena where you and your buddies can "log in" and fight other people without actually and blowing up each others' ships. That kind of PvP would be a smash hit with people that CCP intentionally ignores in favor of big corps fighting over solar systems. I don't want power. I dont want influence. I just want PvP where im not afraid to lose. I want PvP where my ship that took me days to put together doesn't get lost forever just because I lost a fight. That kind of loss makes pvp not fun. But I like pvp in all the other games where you don't lose stuff. Maybe if eve introduced like... battle simulation technology I wouldn't have to play a DIFFERENT GAME for my PvP fix. Cause im sure as hell not gonna pvp in eve how it is right now. That and if any spaceship MMO competition came about and had the kind of carefree PvP im talking about... well that wouldn't be good for CCP. You're obviously playing the wrong game. EVE is made by CCP, not by you. CCP decides how eve should be like, and they have agreed on this concept over 7 years ago, iirc. Who are you to say that the game should be like you want it? I'll say it again, EVE is not for you. If you don't like it, don't try to change it, it's no use.
R3dSh1ft	Posted - 2006.05.20 09:27:00 - [79] Originally by: Saeris Tal'Urduar To sum it up if you want to be/play Heidi there are 20+ MMOs out there that caters to that play style, leave my fun house alone. Because in the end its really not that scary. Don't say that its the fear that gets me going! ______________________________________
Wattish	Posted - 2006.05.20 09:32:00 - [80] I dont kill people in counter strike, think of all their time wasted while they wait for the next spawn
Captain Napalm	Posted - 2006.05.20 09:40:00 - [81] Is this the "what is emo?" thread?
Adrian Kerensky	Posted - 2006.05.20 10:02:00 - [82] Originally by: imbalanced4 Actually I do play other games just for that. Do not confuse WoW as having PvP. WoW doesn't have PvP. Neither does EVE for that matter. But i'd like it to. No, for PvP, I play wc3, daoc, cs:s, dod, halo, marvel vs capcom, whatever I feel like at the time. Tens of 11 year old chavs constantly whining and hacking in game doesn't appeal to me which is why I PvP in EVE Originally by: imbalanced4 I just think fleet combat would be really cool PvP. Like you get a limited number of players. A limited number of ship points, different ships cost different amounts of points depending on their worth, and each ship gets a limited amount of isk to fit how they choose. Then you goto battle. And the fight means nothing, its just competition. Nobody loses their stuff. Call it carebear all you want, its what every competative game is based around. This isn't guildwars. Originally by: imbalanced4 Eve is the exception where, if it were a baseball game, the stadiums of the losing teams would be demolished. yay, fun.. not Real life comparisons mean nothing. Originally by: imbalanced4 I just say this cause there are a lot of people who want this. Im going to get zerged by forum warrior who.res that represent the (extremely) vocal minority and I really dont care, you go on who.ring i'll go on ignoring. I guarantee that if a competitor made a game as good as eve but with casual PvP, eve would lose a lot of customers. Only thing I understood there was the first and last sentence. Speak properly and people might respect you more. EVE is a more mature game than others and we (the community) do not look well upon the immature.
Marcus Starr	Posted - 2006.05.20 10:35:00 - [83] I like the idea of instanced battlefields for riskless & rewardless pvp. Good for training, but nothing more since I highly doubt you could/would actually experience Eve's fleet combat through this. You wouldn't be compelled to use ships and equipment that you would actually use in fleet combat. And your fleets would lack the carriers and dreadnaughts that are a cornerstone to fleets in Eve. I don't even see any reason/fact of how this would affect pvp the way it currently is if it's relegated to certain empire systems. But as much as like this idea I don't want it taking any priority over the most important things like bug fixing, game balancing, and new content. And yes in that order. Maybe when the devs take care of all of that, then they can seriously think about implementing such an idea. Not before.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.20 10:43:00 - [84] Originally by: imbalanced4 Eve is the exception where, if it were a baseball game, the stadiums of the losing teams would be demolished. yay, fun.. actually, more like their bats get taken away. You can always afford a new bat. What you are thinking of is POS wars
Severa Crest	Posted - 2006.05.20 10:48:00 - [85] A lot of harsh responses here.... I would approve of a training ground where setups could be tested to destruction. I do not however approve of it becoming a competetive event - I feel this would distract players from what Eve is supposed to be. I think a training ground would actually encourage more people to take part in the "real" PvP of Eve. The reason I say this is that for new players the learning curve of PvP is extreme. Once players have more skills and isk the actual loss of a ship means a lot less. If I lose a t2 fitted BS, it's insured and I have enough isk to replace equipment and reinsure it many times over - I dont have to spend hours mining to replace a cruiser like many newer players do. If we can get newer players past their harder times in Eve it may increase the trial account conversion % - and we may get more "real" pvpers as a result, which can only be good for Eve.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.20 10:48:00 - [86] Originally by: imbalanced4 Originally by: HippoKing I think the one think you truly misunderstand in eve is PvP. You say you can't PvP. I must ask: why not? Everyone else who wants to manages it. It is not the game preventing you from PvPing: it is you. I think I can say with some assurance that you have never PvPed in eve voluntarily. Until you try that, you will honestly never understand. Today, get a rifter, go out, and have fun. I have. I got in a vexor and went off with the pvp director in our corp. First combat we saw we ran into battleships. Wasn't even a fight really. Or else, I would not describe it as competative, as in, it wasn't even close. Somehow they jammed my pod before I could escape. Thats at least 4 hours lost. I understand. Do YOU understand? Yeah, I lost something, what a GD thrill. I imagine blowing someone else up is thrilling too. I would probably go cut myself and spank it I'd get so excited. Whoohoo, I caused him grief! If you engaged battleships in cruisers when you had no chance of winning, you did something wrong. You lost your ship. Thats the learning experience. Everyone else jumps in a frigate, goes back out and fights someone they can take on. The golden rule here is: you don't PvP in something you can't bear to lose. This is usually expressed as something you can't afford to lose, but thats not really true: the greatest rush comes from knowing if the fight goes badly, you've lost something which truly means something. If you can't stand the idea of losing anything, or taking anything from anyone else, i suggest you try another hobby than eve: eve is all about loss. I hear some people like knitting.
Nee'kita Frist	Posted - 2006.05.20 10:54:00 - [87] From reading all three pages of this thread I get this. OP doesn't care what we say. So to bring you something completely different One day a group of elephants were walkaing down a street when they suddnely met their mortal enemy the mouse. They began to stamp to them but were soon over run with mice that they had to invade places for peanuts to supply the elepant army with food and to prevent a further infeststation of mice. Consquently my cheese with the block and knife makes carrots from rubber tires. -------------- I'm just bitter
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.05.20 11:00:00 - [88] PVP is harsh only because of the emotion involved
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.05.20 11:02:00 - [89] I wonder, will EvE ever have perma-death? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Adrian Kerensky	Posted - 2006.05.20 11:04:00 - [90] Originally by: Nee'kita Frist From reading all three pages of this thread I get this. OP doesn't care what we say. So to bring you something completely different One day a group of elephants were walkaing down a street when they suddnely met their mortal enemy the mouse. They began to stamp to them but were soon over run with mice that they had to invade places for peanuts to supply the elepant army with food and to prevent a further infeststation of mice. Consquently my cheese with the block and knife makes carrots from rubber tires. I think that sums up the level of respect that people have for the OP quite nicely, good stuff . To the OP: We could sit here for 3 weeks telling you why your idea will not be implemented in EVE and why that is a good thing but you will not listen anyway so there's no point. I suggest you go and play Guild Wars since that seems to suit your play style better.

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